COFACE SA ($COFA)
Earnings Call Transcript · May 12, 2026
Highlights from the call
In Q1 2026, Coface SA reported stable turnover of EUR 465 million and net income of EUR 54 million, reflecting a challenging economic environment. The company highlighted a strong performance in its services segment, which grew nearly 20% year-over-year, while insurance revenue declined by 1.3%. Management maintained a cautious outlook, indicating that geopolitical and economic headwinds could impact future growth, but emphasized the importance of continued investment in technology and services.
Main topics
- Stable Revenue Amid Economic Challenges: Coface reported turnover of EUR 465 million, which is stable at constant FX and perimeter. CEO Xavier Durand noted, "I would call this a good quarter in an economic environment, which is obviously not easy."
- Strong Growth in Services: The services segment, including business information and debt collection, grew close to 20%. Durand stated, "We're seeing almost 20% growth in that," indicating robust demand for these offerings.
- Concerns Over Economic Environment: Management acknowledged that the economic landscape is tough, citing "the level of insolvency stands at a record for the last 13 years or so" and geopolitical headwinds affecting growth.
- Investment in Technology and AI: Coface is committed to investing in technology and AI, with Durand asserting, "We need to continue to invest because I think slowing down in this world would be actually probably more dangerous than taking the risk of investing."
- Combined Ratio Performance: The net combined ratio improved to 70%, with a net loss ratio of 37.6%. Durand commented, "We haven't changed our reserving methodology," indicating stability in risk management.
Key metrics mentioned
- Revenue: EUR 465 million (stable at constant FX and perimeter)
- Net Income: EUR 54 million (down from last year, but considered a good quarter)
- Return on Average Tangible Equity (ROATE): 11% (in line with through-the-cycle targets)
- Net Combined Ratio: 70% (improved from previous quarters)
- Net Loss Ratio: 37.6% (stable and benign risk profile)
- Services Revenue Growth: 20% (year-over-year growth in services segment)
Coface's Q1 2026 results reflect resilience in a challenging economic environment, particularly in its services segment. However, the ongoing geopolitical and inflationary pressures pose risks to future performance. Investors should monitor the effectiveness of management's strategic investments and the evolving economic landscape as potential catalysts or headwinds.
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
OperatorGood day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Coface SA Q1 2026 Results Presentation. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Xavier Durand, CEO. Please go ahead.
Xavier Durand
ExecutivesThank you. And just on time. Welcome, everyone, to this first quarter 2026 report for Coface. You all have seen the numbers. We are reporting net income close to EUR 54 million, down from last year, but I would call this a good quarter in an economic environment, which is obviously not easy. The turnover of EUR 465 million is stable at constant FX and perimeter and there's a few moving parts inside that. You see that interest revenue is down 1.3%. And that's really driven by, I would say, slow economy and client activity being positive but low and lower than historic average. But the operating metrics of the business, as you will see later, remain really strong with retention close to our record. Pricing still negative but improving. And I think that's also linked to the environment. And at the same time, we see services growing close to 20% with business information on a consolidated basis, growing 12% organically and almost 18% on a reported basis with the acquisition that we made last year. Debt collection is strong at almost 32% factoring positive after a few quarters of actually flat or negative. And when you look at the total parameter growth, including those businesses that are not consolidated, you see 15% organic for BI and 40% for debt collection. So strong revenue growth on services. I think the other point, the strong point, I think, of the quarter is the net loss ratio standing at 37.6%, bringing the net combined ratio to 70%. We have -- you'll see really a very flat and benign story on the loss side. The net cost ratio is up 3 points to 32.5%. We are continuing our investments. I mean, I've been saying this now for a couple of years, in line with our Power the Core plan. And we continue to move forward. So we've appointed a new CEO for Strategic Partnerships. This is Katarzyna Kompowska, who was running Northern Europe. She's being replaced by the Head of Sales for that region, Christian Stoffel, who has been with us for a number of years and has been leading both our factoring business and been the sales leader for that region. And then we have a succession of further changes down the chain, all internal, and I think it shows that we continue to move and we have strong talent. So net income close to EUR 54 million. Return on average tangible equity stands at 11%, which is the range that we had set ourselves through the cycle. Clearly, the economy is, as I said, and it's pretty obvious, not very supportive. We added a page as we very often do on Page 5, to talk about Power the Core. I mean, we are really halfway through the plan. We issued the plan 2 years ago. And if you remember, this is all about data connectivity and technology. This is about building an ecosystem that really links clients, partners, distributors, building solutions around the credit space and investing in digital tools, automation and artificial intelligence-driven solutions, which are now enabled by the incredible surge in AI that we're seeing. So we are executing on that plan that requires investment, and we're making significant progress and significant investments. And I think it's given us a very unique and differentiated platform at a limited cost because as I've explained through many -- the last couple of years, we're doing this at pretty much a zero impact on the P&L. And the external revenues we generate from this activity are actually allowing us to fund the services growth and also some of these benefits percolate into the insurance business. What's different, I would say, from what we planned when we launched the plan is that the economy is tougher. Clearly, there's been tariffs. There's been deglobalization. There's the events in the Gulf and the war in the Middle East, a shock in energy. I think you're starting to see some of the impacts of that. The level of insolvency stands at a record for the last 13 years or so and continues to grow in advanced economies, geopolitical headwinds. I don't think I think I needed to explain the details. And so that's one side. The economy is not very supportive. And the other thing that's happening, I think, is the advance of AI and the huge changes we're seeing in the technology space with AI now starting to impact all of the different areas of, frankly, a wide array of businesses. So as I step back and look 3 years back, I think we had the right orientation. I think that we have the right strategy. It's just the environment that is, on one hand, a little bit tougher on the economy and also accelerating on the digital space, which certainly reinforces our view that we should continue to invest and differentiate. To me, it's pretty clear. I've laid on the right-hand side of the chart here, the revenues we generate from services, which is business information and debt collection, and you see that it's been growing about 20% a year for the last 2 years and is still growing about 20% this quarter. And when you look at it on an annualized basis, we're over EUR 100 million now of revenues, which is starting to be meaningful for us. The other thing I would say is that the total EFTs allocated to these businesses now is over 1,000 people. So for Coface, it's really material. It gives us capabilities, technical capabilities, intelligence and knowledge that we didn't have. And again, I think it explains partly the performance that you're seeing here today. On Page 7, the usual pages, and I'm going to go relatively quickly through these pages because the numbers, first of all, they're always presented in the same way. And then a lot of these I've already discussed. You see insurance revenue down 1.3%. Other revenues, which includes factoring and services up 9.2%. And I've already mentioned the double-digit growth in both business information and third-party debt collection. The one thing I want to point out on this Page 7 is the performance on insurance fees, which are the fees we charge our clients. You see that we're at 13.9%, which I think is our record so far. Of course, part of this is because the premiums are lower, but also I think the fees are up 2.1%. And these are services that we charge to our clients inside our insurance contracts. And to me, what it means is that the services that we are proposing and we are offering are being taken up by the clients, and we're able to price them. And I think that's a recognition of the service side of this business that we've been driving both on the insurance side and on selling services independently. On next Page 8, you're very accustomed to these charts. Nothing really new here except a couple of things. Western Europe, Northern Europe, Central Europe, I think, are showing very low growth. This is really driven by a slow economy and a slowing economy, I would say, even further than we had in 2025. And obviously, energy shock and tariffs and all the change in globalization is impacting Europe clearly. The new thing here is that Med and Africa, which used to grow historically at a 4% to 5% range, is now not growing anymore. Obviously, that contains the Gulf area and the Middle East, which is impacted, but also Southern Europe, and we're seeing slower growth there. The other thing, news on this page from the prior quarters is the slowdown in emerging markets. Latin America and Asia Pacific had higher growth. Latin America came from a double-digit growth place to, as you see, flat or slightly negative. And this is client activity, which is slowing down. And clearly, emerging markets are impacted by what's happening in the economy and geopolitics more probably or quicker because a lot of these countries are buying products that are now more expensive or in less supply. If you go to Page 9, I think that's an important page because it highlights the operational performance of the business. And there's some good news here. Actually, the new production is at a record level in the last 5 years. And you can see that the investments we're making in distribution, et cetera, are actually bearing fruit and continuing to drive some growth. The retention rates at the first quarter, 94.8% is very close to the records we've ever had in this business. The pricing is still negative. I mean the competition in the market continues to be very high. There's a lot of capital that's looking for a home and a place to be invested. But at the same time, you see that pricing, while being negative is not as negative as it was in the prior years. There is demand in the market. And I think the execution on that front from Coface is actually good. And then the volume effect remains very, very subdued. You can see that the Q1 at 0.7% is, of course, positive, but one of the slowest years that we've had historically. So good operational performance from the business. I will then go to Page 10 to talk about losses. And you see here, we had a good quarter with losses -- loss ratio before reinsurance, including claims handling expenses at 36.3%, comparing favorably to the first quarter of 2025 in most of the quarters in the prior year. A few comments here. First of all, claims are rising in number, and that's consistent with what I say about insolvencies, which are reaching a very high level across the majority of the economies around the world. At the same time, we're not seeing severity rise at the same level, and that's good news. I mean it's also a tribute to the work that the teams in Coface are doing to monitor the events and be very -- remain very close to the risk. And you see at the bottom that we haven't changed our reserving methodology. We still open the new vintage at a high level, 80%. And then we still see some very nice reserve throwbacks from the prior vintages, which continue to perform. So I would say, really a benign Coface risk story here. I will skip Page 11, which compares entire year's '23, '24, '25, with just the first quarter of 2026, to go to Page 12, which describes the last 5 quarters. I think that's probably an easier way to look at the same numbers. And you see here that I really don't have much to report, I mean, because things are extremely stable whether it is the large, more stable markets at the bottom, Western Europe, Northern Europe, Central Europe and Med and Africa, or even the, I would say, the more volatile smaller places, North America, Latin America and Asia Pacific. So really not much to say. The risk is continuing to be well under control. I will spend some time now on Page 13, which talks about costs, and we've had this discussion now for several quarters that post the COVID shock, we have embarked inflation in our cost structure. And at the same time, we are seeing no more inflation in client activity, and that's creating a headwind for us. You see that again this quarter, but at a lesser level, I would say than prior, the increase in cost from Q1 '25 to Q1 '26 is 5%. We had seen higher numbers, I think, in the prior quarters. And you see the cost ratio going up, driven by this difference in inflation between the cost and the premiums. That's 1.6 points. And continued investments that we make deliberately, both in insurance and in services that drives another 1.8% cost ratio up. At the same time, we're getting some of this back through the increase in sales and services, and that's 1.2 points, which drives the cost ratio for the quarter at 35.2%. So I would say, continuation of the story, no surprise, deliberate investments, and I think made even more critical by the change in the environment that I described before, i.e., more risk. We need to stay closer and make sure we invest the money that's going to allow us to keep the risk under control. And on the other side, developing new solutions, new ecosystems and investing in the services side of the business, which so far has been a bottom-up story that is now EUR 100 million annualized. With that, I'm going to pass it on to Phalla, who's going to take us through the rest of the presentation.
Phalla Gervais
ExecutivesGood evening, all. So we are now on Page 14 on the reinsurance page. I will start with the reinsurance results. You can see that we are passing on EUR 25 million before tax to our reinsurance. This is plus 24% compared to last year, driven by the fact that the premium cession has slightly increased and the reinsurance following the [indiscernible] are benefiting from the decrease on the claims ratio as the claims cession has decreased from 26% to 25%. This lead us to a net combined ratio at 70% on Page 15. You can see that we're moving up 1.4 with a net loss ratio decreasing and the net cost ratio increasing following what Xavier has described in terms of investment that we have made in our business. If we move to Page 16, which is the financial portfolio. So the mark-to-market value is at EUR 3.260 billion. You can see that on the -- in terms of asset allocation, 15% is now holding on cash and liquid assets as we're going to pay almost EUR 190 million of dividend by the end of the month. Otherwise, I think that asset allocation has not changed much. If we move to the right-hand side, which is the investment income, so the P&L side of our revenue of our investment portfolio, in terms of recurring revenue, the accounting yield is pretty much stabilized. Of course, we're not seeing any more interest rate in pace. And it's stable at 0.8%. So moving from EUR 24.9 million to EUR 25.7 million. I would have the same comment on the FX. I think you can see the FX line on the investment income at EUR 0.3 million in Q1 '26. This is made of a loss, which is minus EUR 4.6 million related to hyperinflation booking on Turkey, and this is compensated and more than compensated with the FX gains that we have in investment portfolio, EUR 4.9 million. And as usual, on the liability side, which is what you see on the line, insurance finance expenses, minus EUR 15.8 million. This FX gain is compensated or have offset on the liability side as in the EUR 15.8 million of IFE, it includes EUR 5.3 million of FX loss. So net investment income, net of IFE from one quarter to another, we have increased the amount by EUR 300,000. This leads us to net income, Page 17. The way that you look at that. Of course, the net earned premium is down 4.4%. This is one thing, one of the key driver on the revenues decrease and this lead us to a net income decrease by 13%. Net book values, EUR 15.1. Tangible book value was EUR 13.3. I think we are trading today around EUR 16, slightly below EUR 16. We're now moving on Page 18, return on average tangible equity. The equity, average equity is moving from EUR 2.2 billion to almost stable as we accounted for the income of the period. And then we have the mark-to-market on our investment portfolio that goes to equity. So a slight increase at the end of the day. And then return on average tangible equity moving from 11.4% to 11%. Of course, we have increased slightly the equity, and we have the net return that has decreased compared to last year.
Xavier Durand
ExecutivesSo just to wrap it up, and then we will have the usual Q&A session. I think it's a good quarter in what I would describe as a soft economy. Clearly, you're starting to see some of the geopolitics percolate into the economy, companies are hesitant to invest. There's obviously a lot of increase in commodity prices, but also much less volume, et cetera, et cetera. And I would say the whole credit insurance market or industry is affected by this, and we are, too. Our services strategy is paying off. We're seeing almost 20% growth in that. The combined ratio is holding up very well in a world where insolvencies are, say, at a record in the last 13 or more years. The ROATE at 11% is in line with through-the-cycle targets, even though we're I think in the slowest growth economy we've seen in a very, very long time. So clearly, we don't like the environment, but it is -- the business continues to perform. We are investing, despite this uncertainty, we're investing along the lines that we've described for Power the Core. We know that -- I think it's the right strategy. We are building technology and skills and an ecosystem and solutions that are valued by clients. We know that the data and AI revolution supports the choices we've made. We didn't think it would go as fast as it does, quite frankly. And so it only reinforces our conviction that we need to continue to invest because I think slowing down in this world would be actually probably more dangerous than taking the risk of investing and not getting everything right. So I think for me, this is important. And we're right in line with things we said and the business continues to perform. So with that, I think we will open it up for questions.
Operator
Operator[Operator Instructions] And your first question today comes from the line of Michael Huttner from Berenberg.
Michael Huttner
AnalystsFantastic. I just had 2. One is what are insurance services. So you've got all the different -- your business information, the debt collection, but I just wondered, what is insurance service, which is different from that? And then the other question is if commodity prices are increasing, if U.S. CPI is kind of edging up a little bit, when do you think we'll see the benefits in your revenues?
Xavier Durand
ExecutivesSo the insurance services are things we do on behalf of our clients inside the insurance contract, like if they ask us for a limit, a new limit or if they ask us for help on collections or stuff like this, we will do that inside the insurance contract, right? So it's a different source of revenues from the contracts we have, which do not include insurance but only services stand-alone.
Michael Huttner
AnalystsBut debt collection appears on both, right?
Xavier Durand
ExecutivesYes, it appears on both sides. I mean, we, clearly, the -- but I would say the bulk of this pertains to management of credit lines, probably, the monitoring of portfolios and stuff like this. Your second question was about inflation. So yes, we are entering a world. I think it's pretty clear that we're entering a world with lower growth, lower, I would say, effective growth. And then we have more inflation, and we're starting to see it. You saw the numbers just released in the U.S. But it's not clear that one is going to compensate for the other. I mean, we're getting closer to a [ stagflation ] situation where nominal growth is actually probably, the combination of actual growth of the economy plus the inflation. But I think right now, the combination is not favorable. I mean I think that's basically what you're seeing. It's hard to say where it goes because I think you have a first effect on commodity prices. You have a second effect on businesses that produce from these commodities that are going to be seeing increasing costs and they're going to try to pass on those increased costs to businesses. And then the question is, how is that going to affect demand? And then you have central banks that are going to say, wait, inflation is coming back. So what are we going to do about it? And are we going to raise interest rates, which is going to further potentially if that happens, and it might reduce demand further. So this is a process that's going to take some months. It depends how long the Gulf prices last. But I think elevated commodity prices, that's going to last a while. It's not going to return to normal anytime soon. And if it lasts for several more months, the bulk of the impact will be '27. So that's really the issue here.
Operator
OperatorWe will now go to our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Benoit Valleaux from ODDO BHF.
Benoit Valleaux
AnalystsI have a few questions, if I may. The first one is regarding to this appointment of a new CEO of Strategic Partnerships. Can you please elaborate a little bit what you are targeting in terms of what is BI, I would say, strategic partnerships and the potential of growth coming from those partnerships? I have a second question. You mentioned that you still need to invest into data, AI and so on. Does it mean that you plan maybe to revisit your profitability targets you add for your BI business in 2027 in order to capture opportunity and to continue to invest on technology? Or is it maybe too early for you to have a view on next year contribution from this business unit. And I have a third question, if I may, regarding loss ratio per geographical area. You have a negative loss ratio in LatAm in Q1. I know that LatAm is more a part of your business, and you -- to add the negative loss ratio by the way, in Q3 last year, but it's a bit unusual. Is there anything special which explains this negative loss ratio in Q1?
Xavier Durand
ExecutivesWell, that one is -- I'll start with that one. I mean this is 4% of our business divided by 1 quarter. So it's a very small number. A lot of the business we write in Latin America are actually linked to international contracts. And we take risk in Latin America that are disproportionate to the premiums we get in Latin America because these are global contracts, right? So whenever you have one file, it moves up or down, it throws off either a high loss ratio or can you even become negative when we get -- we recover and we release the reserves. So there's really not that much to -- much more to say. It's just the mechanics of running a very small business inside a larger group. On the CEO, Partnerships and Strategy, this is a recognition that for a firm like us, which is now developing services on top of credit insurance and other things. These services can become solution and TCI, by the way, it can become solutions for a broader set of partners out there. We have had long-standing partnerships in Europe or in other parts of the world with large institutions, it could be financial institutions, it could be technology, it could be anything. And I think it's a way for us to make our offering relevant to a broader set of clients that we cannot -- we will never be able to reach ourselves directly because we just don't have the manpower or the reach or the brand or whatever it is. There's only 5,000 people in Coface covering the world. If you compare that to the EFTs of the services industry, minuscule, right? So that's the idea here. And we're making that a group position because I think it is something that matters and that we should pay attention to. In terms of data and AI, I mean I've basically describe what we've done over the last few years, right? We have been investing from scratch basically to create the whole data and services area, which I just described during the prior discussion. And it's been growing nicely and it requires investments, obviously. And these investments are benefiting, obviously, the services business. We're also directly and indirectly the insurance business because every time we develop new score, we have a data lab, we have new solutions, we have more connectivity. It's increased service, increased predictability for the insurance business, et cetera, et cetera. I think we've -- the way things are evolving, I see the need to continue to invest. It's very clear. I mean, I think AI was probably on the charts, but the rhythm at which it is coming out of us is a surprise, I think, for most businesses around the world, including for us. So it's working. We need to continue to invest. We've run it so far, very close to the neutral line. So we make a little bit of money or we lose a little bit of money. And that's been what I've been saying now for several years. It's not changing. There's a natural rhythm at which we can invest efficiently or smartly, and there's a natural rhythm at which the business can grow efficiently and smartly. Some of this will be probably impacted by the -- by what's happening in the Gulf or because none of this is completely immune to the geopolitics either. So it's a bit hard, as you say, to know exactly where this is going. The only thing I can tell you is the business has been, overall, if you think of the overall Coface performance, it's been, I would say, above our targets for the last few years. And I know that we need to continue to invest. So I think this is a question that we'll have to look at. From a business need standpoint, I think there's potential for growth, and there's a need for investment. I think that's -- I think these were your 3 questions, right?
Operator
OperatorYour next question today comes from the line of Pierre Chedeville from CIC.
Pierre Chedeville
AnalystsTwo questions from my side. I would like you to come back on Slide 7 because I did not really understood why you were so happy regarding insurance-related fees because when we look at figures, it's EUR 51 million and EUR 51 million. So it's a very slight increase. So if you could come back on the fact that you are happy with these figures, it was not very clear for me. Second question, more structural one. It's about your combined ratio, which is obviously very good this quarter. And particularly, if you compare quarter-on-quarter and not year-on-year. Of course, I guess that kind of seasonality and also effect in cost ratio. But I would like to know if you feel that your performance is going to be structurally better than what you previously anticipated in your previous comment in terms of a cautious stance or if you think that we are going to have an increase in the combined ratio as we have seen last year in Q2, Q3 and Q4 compared to Q1 in 2025.
Xavier Durand
ExecutivesThat's a tough one. So let me first address the fees, the interest-related fees to the insurance premiums ratio, right? So it's EUR 51 million to EUR 51 million. We're saying in the document that the fees grew 2%. At the same time, we're saying that the premiums shrank by 4%. So that's what I'm happy about. It means that within the insurance contract, the premiums are driven by the activity of our clients once you sign the deal. We build them a percentage of their turnover. So if their turnover grows, our premiums grow. If their turnover doesn't grow or shrinks, our premiums shrink, right? So that's one thing, there's some mechanics about this. On the other hand, the fees we charge are relative to the management of their portfolios and they're accessing some of the services we provide within these contracts. And I think that's holding. I don't know if that clarifies for you. Okay. The second thing on the quarterly results. I mean, there's always some seasonality here, obviously because all the billings and the costs and expenses and reserving, it doesn't happen completely in a linear manner through the year. So there is some seasonality. But your question is also what's going to happen in the next few quarters. I mean we never make forward-looking statements, but you understand that the environment is what it is, right? So it can go either way. The Gulf thing could disappear tomorrow, in which case, things will get better probably over a period of time or it could go on for another 6 months. And then I think we're going to have some pretty interesting impacts across all sorts of industries, across all sorts of geographies, and that's going to go well into '27. So very hard to predict what the environment looks like. Do you want to say something, Phalla?
Phalla Gervais
ExecutivesYes. I think what is important to say is that we kept exactly the same reserving methodology. So here, I think, as Xavier said, we have opened the quarter pretty high at 80% for the new vintage. I think that's probably what you have to look at. I think probably more the consistency of the way that we were reserving and of course, we're not doing forward-looking. That's something we're not doing.
Xavier Durand
ExecutivesWe're not changing our methods. It's just that we adjust our risk management to the environment.
Operator
Operator[Operator Instructions] And the next question comes from the line of Michael Huttner from Berenberg.
Michael Huttner
AnalystsI had three. So reinsurance pricing and how it benefits you. The growth in business information. It feels like we've got an inflection point, but maybe I'm wrong. And then finally, business information relative to the U.S. I always feel that the U.S. is a bit where there's not -- and I just wondered whether something has changed there. So on reinsurance pricing, I was hoping to see numbers, which showed that your beneficiary of low reinsurance cost. But I can't see them. Maybe you could put me in the right direction. On the growth of business information, so clearly, the total growth, 19.5% or 20% or whatever is really lovely. And it feels like it's accelerating. Am I right? Have we reached the kind of inflection point? And then finally, on the U.S. where I think one of your major -- one of the -- it's a market we assume as like -- acts like a closed shop. And I just wondered, do you have a strategy where you think you will be able to break into it?
Xavier Durand
ExecutivesRight. So a few things on reinsurance. These are long negotiated contracts that span 2 years with -- so you can't -- you're not going to see change in reinsurance dramatic over the quarter.
Phalla Gervais
ExecutivesIn the course of the year. It's annual negotiations. What we can say is that we have negotiated. Actually, I think it's probably one of the highest commissions rate that we have received. So the current condition has been pretty good for us. And of course, if we perform the same way we're performing so far, the discussion will happen and again as a renewal. That's all I can say. It is true that today, what you see in the market is that you mentioned, it's a soft market. This is something that we will take into account as the next negotiation and discussion.
Xavier Durand
ExecutivesOn BI, I mean, I've said this either way because we had quarters where, if you recall, the vast growth was less. And then we have sometimes quarters where growth is better or whatever, I wouldn't derive any big conclusion from a quarter. So I think you need to look at this not on a quarterly basis, but you need to look at this on a on a multiyear basis. This is an endeavor we started probably 6, 7 years ago from nothing. And that's also linked to the prior question on a prior discussion we had. We're looking at building something over a number of years, not what's going to happen over the next quarter. I would really caution around that. And then in terms of the U.S. market, I'm not going to comment that much here because obviously, there's only a certain level of information I'm willing to share, but it's a big market. All I can say it's a big market with probably the most sophisticated players in the world, but that's fine. It's an important market for us, too.
Michael Huttner
AnalystsAnd just on the business information, just one more. You did highlight a couple of times or 3 times the EUR 100 million kind of a benchmark. You're now above that on an annualized basis. How significant is that? And at what level do you kind of say, yes, we really have achieved what we aim to do? Or yes, I just can't get a feel for.
Xavier Durand
ExecutivesMichael, I really don't know the answer to your question. What I can say is, for us, it's meaningful in the sense that we have 1,000 people, EUR 100 million, which is $120 million of a business. So if you look at it and say how many start-ups have I seen that get to 1,000 people and $120 million of turnover and [ cost zero, ] that in itself, I think, deserves a notice. On the other hand, we are nowhere close to being done. I mean because this is a huge market. There's formidable competition. It's evolving daily, et cetera, et cetera. So that's all I can say, but at least we got to this point, which was not a given from the get-go, I would say.
Operator
OperatorI will now hand the call back to Xavier Durand for closing remarks.
Xavier Durand
ExecutivesAll right. Well, it seems like for once, we're ahead of schedule here. I don't have much more to say. Coface is focused. The environment is what it is. We will know more in a quarter, and we will see you in July. But the business is focused on execution, and that's where we are. So thank you very much for your participation. Looking forward to the next call in July.
Operator
OperatorThank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
Phalla Gervais
ExecutivesGoodbye.
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