Cogstate Limited (CGS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

July 28, 2022

Australian Securities Exchange AU Health Care Health Care Technology earnings 43 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Bradley O'Connor

executive
#1

Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining Cogstate's investor update in respect to the June quarter and the 12 months ended 30th of June 2022. My name is Bradley O'Connor, I'm the CEO of Cogstate, I'm joined today by Cogstate CFO, Darren Watson. A couple of housekeeping matters I note here, disclaimer in relation to the presentation of today's results. Also, just wanting to point out to people, there's a couple of different ways of interacting with us if you'd like to ask questions. We will take questions at the end of the presentation. [Operator Instructions] Finally, I note this presentation has been lodged with the Australian Stock Exchange and also the slide under the Handouts tab in this forum. And finally, I note that a recording of the presentation will be available from the Investor Center section of the Cogstate website as soon as possible following conclusion of today's presentation. So let's get into it. A couple of background pieces to start with. Cogstate, since our inception in 1999, our investment thesis has been focused on an aging population, an increasing incidence of Alzheimer's disease and the need to provide technology solutions that simplify the measurement of cognition for patients, their doctors and the companies developing new and better drug therapies. So put simply, we believe that brain health is important, and brain health assessment should be easily available to everyone. Cogstate combines proven science and technology to make assessment of cognition as simple as a measurement of blood pressure. Our business in a snapshot is developing really well. We have -- the company was founded in Melbourne, Australia, but we now have a large global presence. Our technology has been validated for more than 20 years, really well validated scientifically and commercially now. We sell our technology into 2 different markets. Our largest market is the clinical trials drug market where our customer base is pharma and biotech companies who are seeking to develop new drugs. That's a really large market and represents about 90% of our revenue base currently. The other part of our business is where we're seeking to have our technology used by primary care physicians and by consumers so that they can monitor, either the health of their patients or their own brain health. And we think that's a really exciting opportunity for us. To dig into the financial results now and some key highlights around that, really successful financial year '22 results. I should note that these preliminary results are based on unaudited numbers, and we will release our full year audited financial results at the end of August. But just focusing on these numbers for a second, $45 million of revenue, obviously, all numbers are in U.S. dollars, is a really strong result, 38% growth from the prior year. We've been really pleased with the operating leverage that we've seen through the business, and we've been able to control the cost base there. So we've seen an improvement in operating expense to revenue ratio, which is down 38% in financial year '21, so we're guiding a range of 30% to 31% of revenue now. So really strong improvement there. That's led to a substantial increase in EBIT margin. So we've updated the guidance there to our EBIT range with the 23% to 24% of revenue, which is in round dollar terms roughly about USD 10.5 million of earnings before interest and tax. I think really pleasingly, really strong operating cash flow, $9.7 million operating cash inflow for the year. Substantially exceeding guidance there. Our net cash up to $28.7 million or total cash of just a bit over $30.5 million at the end of June. Again, a substantial increase from where we were at this time last year. So overall, really strong financial results. And what we're going to do now is dig into those relatively quickly. So first, Clinical Trial sales contracts. Again, just as a reminder, the way that Cogstate interacts with our pharmaceutical company customers is that we sign a contract at the beginning of each trial that outlines the full scope of work and all the technology and services that we'll be delivering to those customers. So $82.5 million of sales contracts executed financially for the '22 financial year. That's up 74% from the $47 million of sales contracts executed last year. So really strong growth represented by particularly strong growth in Alzheimer's disease, where it represents, we note the 84% of financial year '22 sales contracts with Alzheimer's disease. Should note there, June quarter sales contracts of $8.8 million. Obviously, that quarter is less than the other 3 quarters through the financial year. No trend to talk to there. I think just the reality of 12 weekly reporting, we've seen some contracts that may have executed in the June quarter pushing to the September quarter, we expect to see a stronger September quarter results. So no long-term trend there, just the variability of 12 weekly reporting. As we push into the revenue for the year, really, firstly noting the really strong June quarter revenue result, which is a record $12.6 million that a risk of a bit's of a decline we've seen through the December and the March quarters. We've spoken about this previously, but we have seen some delays in revenue recognition related to issues with respect to patient enrollment, especially in one of our key Alzheimer's studies that has pushed revenue out into future periods. But we saw, as I say, they're a really strong pickup in that June quarter. And if you look at the right of screen there, that trailing 12-month revenue, a really nice growth line in terms of that revenue profile? If we look then at the contracted revenue backlog to the business, $139 million of the backlog at 30 June '22. Yes. So 37% growth year-on-year from where we were this time last year. I do note there that we've seen a slight contraction in the balance as at the 31st of March of this year. What that represents really is put simply, is we have signed $8.8 million worth of contracts. So we've added $8.8 million into the top of the funnel. And then we recognized $11 million of revenue. So we've recognized more revenue than contracts we've added. And so that's where we see that slight decline in that number. Overall, really strong position in terms of our contracted revenue position as we look forward. If we break down that $140 million of revenue to look at, how is that rolling off, you can see we've identified that each financial year where that expected revenue is expected to be recorded. I'm going to hand to Darren now to talk through some of the elements of what we're -- of how those numbers are coming together. And particularly the fact that we've seen the FY '23 number of around $34 million of contracted revenue is pretty almost identical to the same -- the figure we had at 31st of March. So Darren, do you want to talk through some of the issues we've been dealing with there with respect to that revenue recognition and the expected timing thereof?

Darren Watson

executive
#2

Yes. Thanks, Brad. So of the $8.8 million of additional clinical trial sales contracts executed this quarter, just short of $4 million adds to the FY '23 financial revenue under contract. However, what we've seen is across a handful of studies. Those studies are being put on hold or delayed for a couple of key different reasons. The first one relates to some issues with the manufacture of drugs. And so therefore, those studies are being put on hold while those issues get resolved until that drug supply can start to flow. We're expecting that, that will be more of a short-term issue. But of course, we're not fully aware of that until the pharmaceutical company and the sponsor can solve those problems. So that backlog book currently sits in FY '24 for FY '25. But certainly, if that issue can be resolved, there is the chance of pulling that forward into the back half of FY '23. And then the second issue is, on a couple of trials, the FDA are reviewing the protocols of those trials. And so patient enrollments have been put on hold across the U.S.A. and Canada. They are proceeding in a couple of other countries, but the large enrollments in the U.S.A. and Canada are being put on hold while that review is complete. We're not in control of the timing of that. We're not aware of the timing of when that will be resolved. So again, that revenue shifted out into future years. But certainly, to the extent that those issues with the FDA can be resolved early, there is a chance of that revenue being pulled back into FY '23. So what we've roughly seen is $4 million added, but $4 million moved out. And we continue to work with sponsors and pharmaceutical companies to stay on top of when those issues will be resolved and look to pulling some of that revenue back into FY '23 should those issues be resolved in time.

Bradley O'Connor

executive
#3

Thanks, Darren. If we have a look at that contracted revenue position graphically and compare that 30 June '22 number to the previous 2 financial years, what you can see there with the blue line shown on this graph is clearly substantial growth in the amount of contracted revenue. Just reflective of the comments that Darren just made, we are seeing substantial growth over prior years since that revenue recognition expectations around certainly year 2, but especially in years 3 and 4. So you're seeing that substantial growth in the revenue profile. And -- but it just points to what does that timing look like in terms of that revenue recognition. And so I think that's a really important point to understand in terms of how does that $140 million or thereabouts of revenue roll off over time, and what is our revenue and what does our earnings profile look like from that. We're going to pivot a little bit now and move beyond just the financial results that we're reporting and talk to some of the larger macro trends that are impacting our business. The first of those is breakthrough Alzheimer's treatments that we're expecting to come on to market or it could come on to market, I should say, and some really important drug readouts that are happening over the course of the next 12 months and obviously, act as important catalysts for our business. So we won't talk too much about Biden the troubles that they've had with respect to the ADUHELM drug and the launch of that drug, but really focus on the upcoming Phase III data readouts from Eisai, Roche and Lilly. So Eisai's lecanemab is expected to read out the Phase III data towards the end of this year, probably the end of November is our expectations. Again, really important data readout for us, both from our Clinical Trials business. But obviously, with respect to our Healthcare business, given our relationship with Eisai and our plans for that Healthcare business. So that's expected in the, as we say, around November. Roche's gantenerumab data expected quarter 4 of '22. So again, towards the end of the year, and then Lilly's donanemab data expected mid-2023. So there's the high level of expectation in relation to those data readouts, particularly in relation to Eisai and Lilly's data readout. And that expectation is really built on the strong Phase II data that has been presented publicly as well as the open-label extension data from that Phase II that's shown increasing benefits for those patients the longer they stay on drug. So those are really exciting data readouts for us. And this time next year, there is the chance that the Alzheimer's disease treatment market looks substantially different to what it looks like today in terms of understanding what pharma company activities are undertaking to get ready for the commercial success of a new therapy. What we've tried to do here is identify the types of activities that pharma companies will be undertaking, whether that be Eisai or Lilly or Roche or anybody else, and they try and get the market ready to both identify patients who will benefit from that treatment to educate primary care and specialist care doctors as to in respect of the data supporting that the efficacy and safety of that drug and how it should be handled from a prescription point of view. Really, the thing we've highlighted there developing a plan to provide clinicians with -- and doctors with access to diagnostic assessment tools such as the Cogstate assessment, which is what we're really focused on with Eisai and then all of their post-launch activity. So a number of activities that you can expect for pharma companies to undertake on the back of positive data. If we look forward and think about what could that mean and what sort of impact could that have on our Clinical Trials business, I think it's fair to say that the positive data will impact really positively on our Clinical Trials business. We would expect to see the initiation of a number of new studies on the back of positive clinical trial data. I think this is a point that's important for investors to know because I often get a question of, that once they have positive data, doesn't that mean that everyone stops the conduct of new trials, and nothing could be further than the truth. Our view is that positive trial will actually result in an increase in the level of R&D investment within the -- within Alzheimer's disease research. Changing gears a little bit. Obviously, one of the other trends that's impacting on our business is our agreement with Eisai. I'm not going to spend much time on this because I think most investors really understand this already. This is an agreement we put in place in October of 2020. It's really positive to Cogstate, provides us with enormous upside into the future, and provides us with profitable cash flow even at the minimum royalty levels and with substantial upside for that -- for those royalties if and when Alzheimer's disease drugs hit the market. One of the other things that's really impacted our business, and we've seen this over the last 12 months, has been the increased R&D investment in Alzheimer's disease. Obviously, that's reflected in the sales numbers, that $82.5 million record sales level really driven, 84% of that is in Alzheimer's disease. So that growth is really driven by investment in Alzheimer's disease R&D. That's a trend we don't think will stop. Our belief is that will continue. And that we're really at the beginning of a new age of understanding of what is Alzheimer's disease and how it's treated. And as I said before, I think the next 12 months could be really exciting for the industry as a whole. The final point that I think is really important for investors to understand is that there's a substantial change in the way that clinical trials are being operated -- are being conducted. And so we talk here to the increased adoption of decentralized clinical trials. So this graph just really shows the level of increase -- projected 28% increase from '21, '22 in terms of trials utilizing virtual or decentralized components. So we're seeing this as a growing trend throughout the industry. Just to understand what is a decentralized trial, a traditional trial is conducted in a research hospital and involves an in-person assessment with a physician and a patient sitting with each other. A decentralized trial focuses more around -- much more elements of home-based assessment using telehealth style technologies. From a Cogstate perspective, those home-based assessments really provide an impetus for an increased use of digital assessments. And obviously, Cogstate's technology is really well validated for that remote digital assessment. It means fewer professionals used within a research hospital, which means -- from a pharma company point of view means lower training and monitoring costs and better use of scarce resources. That can and does lead to more consistent administration of those assessments. Because we've got fewer people conducting the assessments, it just means less error and better data. We've found that those studies are easier and faster to recruit, and they have larger geographic reach into the community and a more diverse patient population. And I think really importantly, from a Cogstate point of view, one of the things we're seeing is that those studies have resulted in a greater share of trial budget for Cogstate where we're seeing a transition from revenue that would otherwise be -- and costs that would be paid to the research hospitals and much more of that coming to Cogstate as we utilize how network of consulting neuropsychologists to provide some of those services. So we found that this push into decentralized trial has managed to place Cogstate in the forefront of trial design, particularly in Alzheimer's disease studies. And I think it's fair to say that we're really leading the market in terms of the conduct of decentralized Alzheimer's trials. I think we've got more experience than any of our competitors in the conduct of those trials. And I think the other really important thing to note is it's positioned Cogstate as a strategic partner for other technology providers into this pharma services market. We've -- and we've got examples of that, like the announced Clario partnership where we've enabled our partners to bid on trials in central nervous system diseases, where Cogstate is providing that really specific solution that those broader technology based solutions that are essential for the conduct of the clinical trials, those companies aren't able to provide those specialist solutions. And so the incorporation of Cogstate technology and Cogstate services as a joint offering is a really important way as to both how Cogstate thinks that we can grow market share but also how our partners can grow market share. So to date, that's been a really positive outcome. And we see that as a really critical way of how we'll grow both our customer base and revenue going forward. So just to close out and before we open up to questions, we see our businesses in a really strong position. Our Clinical Trials business is growing, and we continue to see further growth in that business. We see enormous upside from the Healthcare side part of the business. I think that the true upside from that only comes after positive data from a Phase III Alzheimer's trial, but we note there's a really important data that's going to be read out over the course of the next year. We have been able to control that costs and show really good margins in the business through fiscal year '22. And I think we can control those margins as we push forward into '23 and beyond. And we've seen that, that revenue -- and that earnings growth has led to increase in cash, and we expect that from a cash flow perspective, we'll see further growth in '23 and beyond. So with that, I'm going to pause there and open up to questions. [Operator Instructions]

Ruth Ray

executive
#4

Thanks so much for the presentation today, Brad. And we've got a bunch of questions coming in already. And thank you to Darren as well. My apologies missing calling out Darren. So let's go ahead and dive right in. The first question I've got here is how do you view your total available market and whether or not it is growing as pharma companies invest in dementia drugs?

Bradley O'Connor

executive
#5

Yes. So a really good question in terms of total available market. I mean, in terms of how do we view it, it's -- it's interesting one that when you look at the available information, of course, it always tends to be backward looking. So Jeff Cummings and associates puts out a paper each year looking -- assessing the state of the Alzheimer's disease R&D market and looking at that. And if you look at those numbers, you can see it's growing in terms of just number of studies and number of compounds and different focus areas. From our perspective, we tend to look at the request for proposal that come in to us and the different opportunities that we're seeing. And so it's a hard number to wrap your arms around and get a definitive answer in terms of total addressable market. But certainly, it's large, and our belief, it's growing. And think probably more pertinent to that is that we believe it will continue to grow, especially if you see positive data from one of these upcoming Phase III trials with respect to the Alzheimer's disease market specifically. The other thing that's, I think, really important to note is that whilst we often talk, especially in these investor forums, about Alzheimer's disease, of course, we're running a number of studies across a whole range of different diseases. And so just to pick out a couple that we will focus on specifically through financial year '23, we see substantial growth in areas like Parkinson's disease, and also in rare diseases. And those are 2 areas that we have a substantial focus where we think we can grow market share over the course of the next year or 2, and again, areas where we're seeing an increased level of R&D investment.

Ruth Ray

executive
#6

Thanks for that response, Brad. And our next question is, if a contracted trial is delayed, the understanding is that revenue recognition would also be delayed. But do you still receive the funds per the original schedule in the contract?

Bradley O'Connor

executive
#7

So I'll let Darren answer that one.

Darren Watson

executive
#8

So basically, the funds follows the revenue recognition. So our revenue recognition is largely around completion of milestones or enrollments of patients. So we would expect to see cash follow closely along the lines of revenue recognition. We do take a software license portion upfront where the deal involves software licenses. So any deal that's been delayed that involve software licenses that has most likely been billed and recognized upfront, but the ongoing running of the trial on a milestone basis, I would expect that cash would pretty closely follow revenue recognition.

Ruth Ray

executive
#9

Great. Thanks for that, Darren. The next question we have is, how should we think of contract termination risk, for example, Biogen terminated the observatory trial on ADUHELM as it's not getting the Medicare rebate. Are there any material contracts in the backlog that may be subject to termination risk similarly?

Bradley O'Connor

executive
#10

So I think to answer that one, there's always a risk of termination for any company that works in this pharma services space. But look, speaking specifically, we don't -- we haven't identified any of our ongoing studies that are at specific risk of termination. We weren't involved in that ADUHELM study that's being canceled. So that had no impact on our contracted revenue. And we don't see assembly risk that we've identified at present in respect of any of our ongoing studies. But as I say, there's always a risk a study could be counted for a range of reasons, anything from issues with respect to the drug or some sort of toxicity issue, change of focus from the pharma company that's running it, some negative data readout or as we saw with respect to the ADUHELM one, issues with respect to the financial aspects of the trial itself or the financial forecast in respect to the revenue from the sale of the drug. So a whole bunch of things that are outside of our control, but no specific risks identified at the moment.

Ruth Ray

executive
#11

Thanks for that, Brad. The next question we have is the non-Alzheimer's related trial sales volume was down from financial year '20 and financial year '21. Is there any trend noticeable on that front?

Bradley O'Connor

executive
#12

Look, I think that's true. The statement is true. Look, I don't think necessarily a trend. I suspect if there's anything, there's a little bit of reflection of focus areas. The -- obviously, the substantial growth in Alzheimer's disease has focused a lot of our attention and necessarily so. So I suspect there's an element of that. But as I said before, we very consciously have a commercial plan for fiscal '23 that involves some focus outside of Alzheimer's disease as we seek to -- seek to grow in a number of different areas and use that as the basis of continued growth of our business. So I can't put that down to anything specific, but just note that obviously, in respective focus.

Ruth Ray

executive
#13

Great. Thank you. The next question, how sustainable is the operating leverage that has been seen, and the ability to -- is there an ability to maintain these strong margins going forward or even improve on them?

Bradley O'Connor

executive
#14

So a good question. I'll make a couple of introductory remarks and then let Darren handle this. Just as an opening statement, I think that -- so we opened our initial guidance in respect of fiscal '22 that was that we have EBIT margins in the range of 20% to 24% of revenue. I think as we look forward, I think that's a statement that we would continue to be comfortable with on a business-as-usual basis, that 20% to 24% EBIT margin is appropriate. Darren, do you want to talk to some of the specifics that come into the result for '23, which is obviously at the upper end of that guidance. Sorry, in respect to fiscal '22, which is at the upper end of that guidance?

Darren Watson

executive
#15

Yes. Thanks, Brad. So fiscal '22, we certainly had a couple of benefits. We had a much higher software license mix in our Clinicals revenue than we had historically seen. So historically, it's been in the range of sort of 18%, 19% of revenue. For FY '23, it's looking more like 23%, 24% of revenue. So that certainly provides an increase in margins. As the Clinical Trials business continues to grow, we do see operating leverage in the sense that roughly 25% of the cost base relates to what we would call SG&A, or selling, general and admin, which is essentially our sales, proposals, business development, marketing team, and we don't need to grow that at the same rate that the business grows. So that's the second point of operating leverage. And then the third one where we have seen substantial improvement in FY '23 is our operating expense. When we look at that as a percentage of revenue, you can see in the guidance, it's declined to 30% to 31%, down from around 30% in the prior year. Certainly for future revenue growth, there is some scope for operating leverage improvement on that operating expense [indiscernible] but I think at this kind of revenue base, we're fairly optimized on operating expense at the moment. So it really depends on the future growth on the business as to how much continued future leverage there is on operating expense. But the combination of those kind of 3 elements is what drives our EBIT margin. And I think as Brad said, that kind of guidance of 20% to 24% is something that we feel fairly comfortable with.

Bradley O'Connor

executive
#16

Sorry, Darren to interrupt. The only thing I'd add in there is, as we look forward, when we talk about those 20% to 24% EBIT margins, we're really focusing on business as usual. So the current revenue mix between clinical trials and Healthcare and noting Darren's comments with respect to license fees in clinical trials and how that can change our margins in that part of the business. Certainly, if we see positive data from our Phase III Alzheimer's trial, we see drug on market readily available and if Cogstate and Eisai can be successful with respect to the launch of our technology in that Healthcare part of the business, that would lend itself to improved margins. So within the Healthcare part of the business, much more of a software sale as compared to clinical trials, which is a software and services sale. So much higher potential margins in the Healthcare business, which is already operating at the sort of at higher margins, 75% plus margins based on the minimum revenues that we're receiving from Eisai. Once revenues start to exceed those minimums, we would expect those margins to increase even higher and a lot of that to drop to bottom line. So I think the ability to grow beyond that 24% EBIT margin really comes from that change in revenue mix. And if we see a much greater increase in revenue from that Healthcare part of the business, which is software sales, we would see that those EBIT margins improve even further at that stage.

Ruth Ray

executive
#17

Darren and Brad, thank you so much. That was really helpful to have you lay out those different elements. And taking a different question here, and just noting to the audience, we've had a lot of great questions, and we won't be able to get to all of them, but we're going to take about 2 to 3 more from our current list. And the next one is what is the latest thinking with respect to the use of free cash flow?

Bradley O'Connor

executive
#18

Good question. So look, I think as an opening statement, I'd suggest that if you look at the broader economic environment, a great time to have a strongly cash flow positive business and good cash on hand. Given the pullback we've seen and the valuation of the business, I'm very pleased that we don't have to go to our shareholders to raise funds at the moment and that we have a good cash flow positive business. So $30 million or thereabouts of cash at June '22, we expect to grow cash again through the June '23 year. Look, we're looking at -- or on the lookout for, I should say, opportunities with respect to technology that we could add, particularly in our Clinical Trials business. So if we could find opportunities which increase those license fee type revenues that Darren was talking about before in our Clinical Trials business which further improve our margins, certainly, we're really interested in that. It's a matter of finding the right opportunities. So things that we can find where we can say that we can -- that's complementary to our existing offering that can help us increase market share and increase, I suppose, average contract value with increased license fees and to do that in a way that doesn't add too significantly to our cost base, those are sort of the parameters we're looking at. And still very much on the lookout for those kind of opportunities. Without -- as we project forward, say, to this time next year, in the absence of those kind of opportunities, we're going to find ourselves with a very large cash balance, and we will need to think about what we're going to do with that and whether it makes sense to return some of that to shareholders. But I think at the moment, the thinking is that we continue to look for opportunities. We're very pleased that we have that substantial cash balance and that cash flow positive business, and we'll continue to think about the best way to put that to use.

Ruth Ray

executive
#19

Brad. Yes. Great result there. And we're going to take this final question for the morning. Can you briefly discuss your sales focus for the next year?

Bradley O'Connor

executive
#20

Yes. So look, sales focus for next year is really certainly increase market share in Alzheimer's disease. And then, as I mentioned before, those other 2 areas of particular focus around Parkinson's disease and rare diseases. So across those 3 broad indication groups, we're going to have a significant focus in terms of how do we do that, how do we grow market share or how do we grow our customer base. Two key areas there. I mean -- and these are in these key areas in addition, of course, to the continued focus we have around the scientific evidence that supports our technology and supports our offering generally. But that is certainly through our sales channels. So the channel partners, we've publicly announced our partnership with Clario, which is progressing really well. We've had some certainly some substantial sales success through the March and -- particularly in the March quarter, and we've seen already that that's led to increased activity from the sales and business development team. So a lot of focus on both that existing channel partnership and also growing our channel partnership base, we note that we've got a number of opportunities with other channel partners that we're pursuing currently. So we we'll seek to improve our offering in that regard. So we want to be easier to partner with. So that means some improved technology solutions in terms of better ways of integrating our technology into our -- into those partners. And then I think the other thing where we see significant growth opportunity is the increased adoption of decentralized trials and our offering there and the way in which we go about supporting those and more of those at-home assessment where we think we're uniquely placed to be able to help pharma companies to run really robust at-home assessments because of our -- both our computerized offering, but also because of the availability of a really strong network or international network of consulting neuropsychologists that help us to deliver telehealth style assessments as well as our own computerized assessment, and that unique offering I think positions us really well with respect to adoption in that decentralized environment. So those -- that channel partnerships and the decentralized trials are really key focus areas for us as we seek to grow market share and grow both our sales and then subsequently our revenue.

Ruth Ray

executive
#21

Brad, thank you so much for outlining those details. It's really helpful to know. And with that, folks, we're going to go ahead and wrap up the Q&A section of this webcast and give Brad and Darren the opportunity to say any final words to us as our audience. So first, I'll hand it over to Darren. Any final words.

Darren Watson

executive
#22

Thanks, Ruth. Now look, we're just really pleased with the performance for financial year '22 and feel very positive about the business fundamentals heading into financial year '23 and beyond. You've got some challenges with some clinical trial delays, which hopefully will get sorted out in the coming short period of time and recover back into FY '23. And then I feel we're in a very strong position for FY '24 and '25 as the chart showed in terms of the backlog revenue there. And continuing to work our relationship with Eisai, so I feel very positive about the business fundamentals as we head into the new financial year.

Bradley O'Connor

executive
#23

And I'd just echo Darren's comments and really, again, identify those upcoming catalysts in terms of the data readout from those Phase III Alzheimer's trials that if successful, really position us really well for accelerated growth into particularly the second half of fiscal '23 and then into '24 and '25, where, as Darren noted, we're already really well positioned. So I think the business is in a really strong position. Fundamentals are really strong, and look forward to updating everyone again in a month's time when we get through our audited financial results. Thank you so much for your time, and we look forward to speaking to you again soon.

Ruth Ray

executive
#24

Thanks, Brad. Thanks all.

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