Coherent Corp. (COHR) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
October 10, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGood day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Coherent Corp.'s October 10, 2023, silicon carbide update call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Paul Silverstein. Please go ahead.
Paul Silverstein
executiveThank you, Victor, and good afternoon, everyone. Today with me on the call to discuss our announcement of investments in our Silicon Carbide business are our Coherent Chair and CEO, Dr. Chuck Mattera; and President, Bob Bashaw. They will be joined for the Q&A portion of the call by Interim Chief Financial Officer, Rich Martucci and Sohail Khan, Executive Vice President of Wide-Bandgap Electronics Technologies and the leader of our Silicon Carbide business as well as Mike Kuder, Associate General Counsel. Before I turn the call over to Chuck for his opening remarks, I would like to remind everyone that we will refer to forward-looking statements, including all statements the company will make about its future financial and operating performance, growth strategy and market outlook, that actual results may differ materially from those contemplated by these forward-looking statements. Risk factors that could cause actual results and trends to differ materially are set forth in the annual and quarterly reports filed with the SEC. Coherent assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements which speak only as of their respective dates. Today's conference call will be available for webcast replay in the Investor Relations section of our website for 1 year. With that, it's my pleasure to turn the call over to Chuck. Chuck, please go ahead.
Vincent Mattera
executiveThank you, Paul. Earlier this year, we announced that we had initiated a comprehensive review of strategic alternatives for our Silicon Carbide business. This business includes our silicon carbide substrate and epitaxial wafer operations from growth to finishing [indiscernible] devices and modules. We conducted a thorough review considering a range of strategic alternatives that would be in the best interest of Coherent and our shareholders. We were excited to announce the formation of a silicon carbide subsidiary, which will receive an aggregate $1 billion investment from DENSO and Mitsubishi Electric, to leading Japanese Tier 1 automotive and industrial infrastructure suppliers. DENSO and Mitsubishi Electric will each invest $500 million into the newly formed silicon carbide subsidiary of Coherent in exchange for a 12.5% noncontrolling ownership interest in the business. Coherent will continue to manage and will retain a 75% interest in this subsidiary. The transaction values the Silicon Carbide business at $3 billion on a pre-money basis or approximately 10x projected revenues for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2024. A great value creation for Coherent's shareholders. Moreover, Coherent will deepen its partnerships with DENSO and Mitsubishi Electric by entering into long-term supply agreements that support their demand for 150-millimeter and 200-millimeter substrates and epitaxial wafers. Coherent has demonstrated for more than 2 decades leadership in silicon carbide materials. And in recent years, we have aggressively invested to scale our manufacturing of 150-millimeter and 200-millimeter substrates to address this underserved market. DENSO and Mitsubishi Electric recognize the value Coherent has created and the unique capabilities in our Silicon Carbide business, and these transactions will enhance our position and future growth prospects in this rapidly expanding market, in particular, in power semiconductors for electric vehicles and industrial infrastructure. Over the past 2 decades, we have invested in product and technology leadership at scale and became a [indiscernible] $1 billion investment from our strategic partners will accelerate our capital investment plans in the coming years. This investment will fund the manufacturing expansion of our substrates and epitaxial wafers and accelerate our vertical integration strategy spanning from substrates to modules. The investment in combination with the concurrent supply agreements enhances our position in the silicon carbide market. We continue to pursue vertical integration for our strategic plan to offer devices and modules for the electric vehicle and industrial infrastructure markets, these investments will result in greater financial and operational flexibility for Coherent as we execute on our capital allocation priorities, which include debt repayment and investment in non-silicon carbide businesses. These transactions are evidence of our focus on building long-term shareholder value and present a unique opportunity to further accelerate our growth. With that, I will turn it over to Bob to discuss the details of this exciting development. Bob?
Walter Bashaw
executiveYes. Thank you, Chuck. As Chuck mentioned, these transactions will provide $1 billion of cash into our newly created Silicon Carbide business to fund our growth plans. Prior to closing, we will separate out the Silicon Carbide business into a newly formed subsidiary. Coherent will retain a 75% economic interest in the independent subsidiary, along with management and operating control. DENSO and Mitsubishi Electric will each own a 12.5% economic interest in the business at closing in exchange for their respective $500 million investments. The transaction is expected to close in the first quarter of calendar year 2024. We will provide details regarding this subsidiary following the closing in the ordinary course. The investments in LLC agreements contain customary rights and provisions and permit Coherent to raise up to $500 million in additional investments in the 6-month period following the close of the transaction. We intend to continue conversations with parties regarding further investment and supply agreements. Coherent is excited to strengthen our partnership with DENSO and Mitsubishi Electric to enhance the outlook for our Silicon Carbide business. Both partners are leading companies with strong global brands, distribution and customer relationships. DENSO enjoys an extremely strong position as a Tier 1 automotive supplier with leading capabilities in electrification and powertrain systems and in-vehicle power semiconductors for the automotive market. Mitsubishi Electric is a pioneer in silicon carbide power devices with a leadership position in silicon carbide power modules for high-speed trains, high-voltage industrial applications and home appliances. The company made history by launching the world's first silicon carbide modules for air conditioners in 2010 and became the first supplier of a full silicon carbide power module for the Shinkansen high-speed trains in 2015 and recently indicated that it plans to invest approximately JPY 100 billion to build a new 200-millimeter silicon carbide wafer fab in Kumamoto Prefecture, Japan in 2026. We are excited to partner with DENSO and Mitsubishi Electric as investors and customers of our Silicon Carbide business. We are confident our business will enjoy above industry level growth in the rapidly expanding silicon carbide market for years to come. Now let me turn the call back over to Paul.
Paul Silverstein
executiveThank you, Chuck and Bob. Before moving to Q&A in our press release this morning, Coherent revised its first quarter fiscal 2024 revenue guidance to $1.050 to $1.055 billion from previously $1.0 billion to $1.1 billion. We will now open the call for questions. As a reminder, the purpose of this call is to discuss our silicon carbide announcements and business. Accordingly, we will not be responding to questions regarding our operating results in this call. [Operator Instructions]. Victor?
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] And our first question will come from the line of Samik Chatterjee from JPMorgan.
Joseph Cardoso
analystThis is Joe Cardoso on for Samik Chatterjee. My first question, I just wanted to clarify around one of the points that it sounded like you mentioned particularly around the partnership and not expecting it to interfere with the opportunity for Coherent to -- or the Silicon Carbide business to eventually vertically integrate from wafer to power device. Can you just confirm that there's no provisions in the deal with DENSO and this is DC that would essentially halt that opportunity or put that opportunity on pause relative to eventually vertically integrating and moving to power devices? And then I just have a quick follow-up.
Walter Bashaw
executiveYes, there are no such provisions in the agreement.
Joseph Cardoso
analystOkay. And then a quick follow-up. Can you just outline the time line around the $1 billion investment? Are you guys expecting that to be all upfront once the deal closes? Or is it over a longer time period?
Walter Bashaw
executiveYes. Yes, the way this transaction is structured, the investment will come in full at closing.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question will come from the line of Ruben Roy from Stifel.
Ruben Roy
analystChuck or Bob, My question, I guess, is very similar to the last one, but I just wanted to make sure I understood this. So in terms of the GE relationship and the technology access, that remains within Coherent Or is there some access to that for device technology? I just wanted to make sure I understood what you just said on the devices.
Walter Bashaw
executiveYes, thank you for your question. The GE technology will be for the benefit of silicon carbide LLC exactly as it is today. So it's the technology that we'll be using to grow the business.
Ruben Roy
analystOkay. And then on the projected revenues for '24 at this point, can you talk a little bit about how kind of you're getting to those numbers in terms of EV versus industrial power devices versus RF or any other detail around the revenue projection would be helpful.
Vincent Mattera
executiveRuben, this is Chuck. We're not going to provide any more color then that I will review for '24.
Operator
operatorOur next question come from the line of Simon Leopold from Raymond James.
Simon Leopold
analystGreat. I wanted to see if maybe you could hash out a little bit of what's in it for your JV partners, DENSO and Mitsubishi. And in other words, I'm trying to get an understanding of whether or not there's any kind of most favored nation clause or discounting on their purchases of wafers beyond sort of the equity ownership, what are their benefits? And then I've got a follow-up.
Walter Bashaw
executiveSure. This is Bob. I'll be happy to take the call for the discussion. We are not commenting on our supply agreements with our partners at this time. But it's needless to say, we think the business is a very exciting business. The investment will provide a lot of opportunity to grow and our partners feel the same.
Simon Leopold
analystGreat. And just as a follow-up, with the cash infusion and the shift of the CapEx burden to the JV, I'm just wondering if you could give us some update or your thoughts on your plans to delever Coherent's balance sheet?
Walter Bashaw
executiveRich?
Richard Martucci
executiveYes, this is Rich Martucci. At the present time, we expect the transaction basically to be accretive in year 1. But at this time, we reserve the rate to take the additional capital that we do have to fund either our debt and/or our priority capital with the non-silicon carbide businesses.
Operator
operatorOur next question will come from the line of Jed Dorsheimer from William Blair.
Jonathan Dorsheimer
analystSorry, I was on mute. I did that. So anyways, congrats on the deal. I guess just a follow up to the previous -- so are you able to use the $1 billion -- I just want to clarify this point. The $1 billion of investment into the JV. Is Coherent able to use that as you see fit? Or is that limited to investment in the JV? And therefore, you're saying that the $175 million of CapEx that you were spending last year on SiC is what you would be able to use for the delevering?
Walter Bashaw
executiveYes. So the $1 billion that we're receiving from Mitsubishi Electric and DENSO will be used strictly for the purposes of the subsidiary's operations. So the way you're thinking about it is exactly right. Those dollars we receive will be used to invest in that business and it will free up our capital.
Jonathan Dorsheimer
analystPerfect. As my follow-up, once the transaction closes, I'm just curious, the mechanics of disclosure associated with this, will you be breaking down the -- what is materials versus devices or 6H versus 4H? Or is this still going to remain undisclosed?
Walter Bashaw
executiveMike?
Mike Kuder
executiveThank you, Chuck. This is Mike Kuder. At this time, we're still planning to report as we currently are. And if there are updates in the future, those will be provided in the future.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question comes from the line of Meta Marshall from Morgan Stanley.
Meta Marshall
analystGreat. Just one question for me. You mentioned that you can raise an additional $500 million 6 months after the close. I guess I just wonder, given that you guys just ran a pretty fulsome process, I would expect right now. Why not just introduce kind of more partners upfront or announce more partners upfront? Or kind of what is the thought behind kind of leaving that optionality open just given kind of the full process run currently?
Walter Bashaw
executiveI'm happy to take the question, Chuck. We did run a full process and in fact, it was a really robust process. You're exactly right. We felt at this time that the partners that we have are fantastic partners, both great Japanese companies and the amount of the investment at this time is the right amount on the right terms. So we will remain open and opportunistic to fill out the round, but we feel really comfortable with the amount we raised and we decided to close on these terms with these partners at this time.
Operator
operatorOur next question will come from the line of Christopher Rolland from Susquehanna.
Matthew Myers
analystThis is Matt Myers on for Chris. Congrats on the deal. Just wanted to ask how this is going to change your silicon carbide CapEx plans. I know you guys have talked about 40% to 50% of your CapEx going to silicon carbide to expand capacity. Are you going to be planning to invest this amount into some other part of the business? Or should we think about this as not being a part of your CapEx anymore?
Walter Bashaw
executiveYes. Sure. This is Bob. I'll take the question. We intend to invest in the material side of the business really in 2 ways. One, to continue to develop our product and process development and two, to expand capacity. But we also intend to continue on our plan with respect to silicon carbide devices and modules. So we'll move a little bit faster on process and product development and capacity for the material side, and we'll stick with the plan on devices and modules.
Matthew Myers
analystGot it. And as a quick follow-up, how much of your capacity do you expect to be dedicated to these 2 customers?
Walter Bashaw
executiveWe're not going to comment on that at this time.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from the line of Ananda Baruah from Loop Capital.
Ananda Baruah
analystAnd yes, congrats on this. A lot of exciting stuff here. The question for me is, is the intent or could the intent be over time to take the business public? Or maybe am I reading too much into the entity structure?
Walter Bashaw
executiveYes. So this is Bob. I'm happy to take the question. The structure allows us lots of flexibility. So I would say that all the opportunities of the future of this type of business are available to us and we're going to develop the business, invest at the appropriate levels and see what comes.
Ananda Baruah
analystOkay. Excellent. And then I jumped on a moment or 2 after the call started. I missed the revenue guidance that you guys provided, would you mind just repeating it just quickly, that would be great.
Paul Silverstein
executiveYes. Ananda, it's $1.050 billion to $1.055 billion.
Ananda Baruah
analystAnd was there -- Paul, was there any silicon carbide guidance or no as well.
Operator
operatorOur next question will come from the line of Mark Miller from the Benchmark Company.
Mark Miller
analystI'd like to add my congratulations for the deal. Just wondering about pricing. How would you handle of the price in terms of your new partners? How much you handled the price and pricing range if silicon carbide prices really started to escalate?
Walter Bashaw
executiveYes. As we've said, we're not going to comment on the terms of the supply agreements with these partners.
Operator
operatorOur next question will come from the line of Tom O'Malley from Barclays.
Thomas O'Malley
analystI just wanted a clarification. Chuck, earlier, you said that the acquisition was for 10x. Was it fiscal year '24 numbers? Or was that pre or post money? Can you just clarify that comment?
Vincent Mattera
executiveThe comment operated on the $3 billion pre-money valuation, 10x that for fiscal year -- fiscal year '24.
Thomas O'Malley
analystHelpful. And then in terms of capacity, you guys are looking to expand capacity today. And obviously, this is going to help you guys go a long way in doing such. Could you talk about, was there any decision to go with these 2 in terms of the JV versus others? Was there any strategic rationale that you guys didn't lay out in the press release that you'd like to speak to as to why these 2 made sense versus others?
Walter Bashaw
executiveWell, sure. First of all, these 2 partners are great companies that we know well. And so from a strategic point of view, the relationship that we have from a customer supplier point of view was very good, and we had really great engagement with them. And the terms of the deal were just super. So we think that the opportunity to work with these partners in the future is a very good opportunity for us in the future. And really, there's no more -- no more or no less than that.
Vincent Mattera
executiveI would say -- I would add, Tom, I'm excited about it because it brings us right to the very end of the market. Many of our customers are epitaxial wafer makers. These are people who are building systems and to have the opportunity to have them as partners and to help drive us to new levels is super exciting for us. Super exciting.
Operator
operatorAnd our next question will come from the line of Jim Ricchiuti from Needham.
James Ricchiuti
analystSo I know Mitsubishi has been a customer of Coherent's for many years. I'm just wondering -- and you may have given some of this background. But in terms of DENSO, how long have you been working with them? And how would you characterize the significance of the sales that you've been seeing from DENSO in this area?
Vincent Mattera
executiveOkay. Thanks for your question, Jim. I'll ask Sohail to take it.
Sohail Khan
executiveJim, that both Mitsubishi and DENSO are existing customers. Mitsubishi has been a longer than the other. But also with DENSO, we have been engaged both directly and indirectly for many years.
James Ricchiuti
analystAnd the next question I had is just a follow-up. I'm wondering if you can say how this announcement potentially changes your CapEx plans for the non-silicon carbide business looking out beyond fiscal '24, if there's any areas that you might highlight for us?
Vincent Mattera
executiveWe're not going to talk about FY '25 and going forward. Jim, I think Rich's comments earlier stand and our prepared comments stand as well. This provides us with both operational and financial flexibility to be able to balance our capital allocation priorities, including debt repayment and investment in growth opportunities, of which we still maintain many, not only in the Silicon Carbide business, but in the rest of the company.
James Ricchiuti
analystCongratulations.
Operator
operatorThank you. And with that, I would like to turn the call back over to our speakers for any closing remarks.
Vincent Mattera
executiveThank you, Victor. I'd like to thank everyone for joining us on this call. Please join us on our fiscal first quarter earnings call, which will take place on November 7 at 8 a.m. Eastern. Thank you again.
Operator
operatorThis concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.
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