Corporate Travel Management Limited (CTD) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the CTM investor presentation. [Operator Instructions] And finally, I would like to advise all participants that this call is being recorded. I'd now like to welcome Chairman, Ewen Crouch, to begin the presentation. Ewen, over to you.

Thank you. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining today's call. I am Ewen Crouch, Chairman of CTM. On the call with me are Ana Pedersen, our Managing Director and Group Chief Executive Officer; and James Spence, our Chief Financial Officer. Shortly, they will talk through our strategy, our financial year '25 results and our forecast financial year '26 results. However, before we begin, I want to acknowledge again the patience and support of all our shareholders and all our stakeholders throughout what has been an exceptionally difficult period for CTM. The company's extended trading suspension is a matter of deep regret to the Board and the management team. Over the past year, the Board has overseen an extensive and highly rigorous examination of the issues identified in the U.K. business. As those issues emerged, the scope of work expanded significantly, ultimately becoming a comprehensive review of holistic activities -- sorry, historical activities, financial reporting systems, controls and governance processes in a holistic way. Put simply, no stone has been left unturned. While the underlying issues related to conduct, documentation and accounting practices within parts of the U.K. business, our focus was not simply on identifying what went wrong. Our responsibility was to ensure that we fully understood the causes of those issues, the extent of the impact and the actions required to improve the business of the future. That process involved exhaustive forensic review work, extensive engagement with customers and financing partners and a fundamental reassessment of systems, controls and governance arrangements. The Board deliberately expanded the scope of the review to ensure all relevant matters were thoroughly investigated and addressed. It became a far more extensive exercise than initially anticipated, but one we believe was necessary to restore confidence in the company and establish a sound foundation for the future. As difficult as this process has been, it also gives us confidence going forward. It was provided an opportunity to thoroughly test the organization; our systems, our processes, our governance framework and our culture. Today, CTM is a better governed organization as a result. We have implemented significant changes across the business and have a much clearer understanding of where we need to continue investing and improving. Importantly, throughout this period, our people have continued to serve our clients with professionalism and dedication, maintaining the high standards that have long underpinned CTM's service reputation. On behalf of the Board, I would like to thank our employees for their resilience and commitments. I would like to thank our clients for their continued support and thank our shareholders for their patience throughout this process. I would also like to acknowledge the impacted U.K. customers who engaged constructively with CTM throughout. We are grateful for their willingness to work with us to reach fair and practical outcomes, and we thank them for their ongoing support and continued working relationships with CTM. We also recognize that our work is not complete. There are elements of remediation still to address directly with customers, and the Board renewal and succession planning remains an important priority, and that process is underway. Looking ahead, our focus must now be firmly on execution. In the months and years ahead, we need to do everything we can to deliver on our strategy and create value for shareholders. I would also like to acknowledge our Managing Director and Group Chief Executive Officer, Ana and her leadership team for the way they have led the organization throughout this period. Throughout a challenging and demanding process, they have remained focused on supporting our people, serving our customers and positioning the business for the future. I have much confidence in Ana, her leadership team and the broader organization to execute on the clear strategy outlined in today's presentation. Let me now hand over to Ana to discuss the CTM of today and the progress made across the business and the opportunities ahead. James will then take you through our financial position before we open for questions.

Thank you, Ewen. Before we begin, I would like to acknowledge the traditional custodians of the lands on which we meet today and pay my respects to elders past and present. I extend that respect to all Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples joining us today. If we move on to the next slide. I'd like to say good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. To the next slide. Before we move on, I want to very importantly acknowledge the leadership team at CTM. We've deliberately strengthened the group executive over the past 12 months, bringing in experienced leaders across commercial, legal, governance, people and business transformation. This team has clear accountability for both strengthening the foundations of CTM and executing the strategy we're setting out today. We're continuing to build out the executive team in a number of areas. I have confidence in the capability we already have around the table. So to the next slide, there are 3 parts to today's presentation. I'll start with the CTM today and the work that we've done to strengthen the business, James will take you through the FY '25 results, which we'll also touch on CTM's forecast FY '26 numbers to cover our current financial position. I'll return at the end to take you through our strategic pathway and where we see the opportunity to create value from here. For those of you that are looking for more detail, we've included regional reviews, our Governance Uplift Program and additional financial information in the appendix. So let's move on. Let me start with the business that we have today. So there are 3 things I'd like you to take away about CTM today. First, the underlying business has remained resilient. We delivered approximately $9.6 billion of TTV in FY '25 and retained approximately 97% of client TTV through the FY '26. Our underlying EBITDA was $83.6 million in FY '25 and is forecast to increase to $113.6 million in FY '26. We also continue to win and retain business with $669 million of new business wins and $1.5 billion of renewals during FY '26. Second, remediation is well advanced. We've made substantial progress on the U.K. matters, [indiscernible] settlements have been agreed. The major exposures have been modified and the refund program is supported by committed funding. Third, we've made significant progress strengthening the foundations of the business, and that is through stronger leadership, governance, controls and accountability alongside committed funding to support the business through the remediation period. If we look at these together, it gives us the confidence that while the issues we've been addressing have been significant, they've not changed the fundamental strength of our client franchise or the opportunities ahead. Our focus now at CTM is disciplined execution and turning those strengths into sustainable value creation. We continue to the next slide. Ewen has already covered the work undertaken to understand the issues and the board's response, I want to focus on what has changed operationally. In the U.K., we've strengthened leadership and accountability, we've reviewed key client contracts and strengthened oversight of how those contracts are interpreted and delivered. We've also strengthened financial reporting, reconciliation and documentation controls with clearer approval and escalation requirements. The focus now is on embedding that discipline into the way the business operates every day. On to the next slide. The lessons, however, are broader than the U.K., and that's why the Governance Uplift Program is group-wide. This comes out of 4 things; clear accountability and decision rights, data we can rely on, stronger risk and financial controls and stronger assurance. In practical terms, that means clear ownership, better quality information, more consistent controls and stronger independent challenge across the group. And for us, the test is of whether we have those policies, it's whether we have better decisions, earlier escalation, clearer accountability and better visibility across the group. That's what we're working to embed. So moving to the next slide, with stronger foundations being put in place, our focus now is firmly on the business ahead and translating that to sustainable, profitable growth. The pathway you see here is deliberate. But it's important that I also emphasize that the phases are not sequential. They do overlap. Growth continues now. What changes over time is the intensity and the mix of the growth levers. In strengthening, our immediate priority is leadership, particularly around governance and controls, restoring stakeholder confidence and maintaining disciplined execution. But that doesn't mean we're waiting to rebuild commercial momentum. As we accelerate, the emphasis increasingly shifts to growing TTV, improving revenue quality, scaling our technology and data capabilities and driving greater productivity and operating leverage. And as we scale, the opportunity is to extend what is working, growing higher-margin revenue streams, capturing more value from our global ecosystem and selectively investing in capabilities that we see attractive return. So this isn't a sequence where we strengthened the business and then start growing. We are doing both right now. The balance simply changes as we move through the pathway. So over to the next slide. None of this can happen without our people. Through a very demanding period, our teams continue to serve clients and retain key relationships with approximately 97% TTV retention in FY '26. Employee turnover also improved from 13.8% to 12.4%, helping us retain the experience and capability we need to execute. We're now building on that strength through clear expectations around leadership behavior and accountability, supported by our new CTM culture statement. And the aim is simple. We want to retain the service culture and the expertise that differentiates CTM while strengthening accountability and performance discipline. So to the next slide. Before I hand over to James, the key message is that the fundamental strength of CTM remain intact. We have global scale, long-standing client relationships, high retention, deep travel expertise and differentiated technology and content. We have continued to retain significant clients. We've continued to win new business and operate through a very difficult period while strengthening the foundations of the group. What we are changing is the discipline with which we manage the business and convert those strengths into stronger returns. The opportunity ahead is to create more value from CTM's existing scale, client relationships and capabilities. James will now take you through the financial position in detail. Thank you.

Good afternoon, and thank you, Ana. I'm pleased to be providing these results today as we work towards a return to trading on the ASX. But at the same time, I also want to acknowledge that this has been a very difficult time for CTM investors. So moving to Slide 15. This summarizes the 3 customer remediation issues that have now been identified, investigated and quantified as part of the review process. Starting on the left-hand side, these are the key U.K. client contracts that have been a focus of our work over the past 9 months. In simple terms, certain U.K. customers were charged amounts which were in excess of CTM's contractual entitlements. And this has been the subject of our detailed disclosures, particularly in April of this year. Following a detailed review, those matters were self-reported to impacted clients, and we've been working through a remediation process with them. This has been a significant exercise requiring us to review contracts and transactions going back more than 6 years. As a result, we have now quantified the accounting liability in relation to these matters at $234 million as at the 30th of June 2026. We have agreed approximately $167 million of refunds relating to those contracts with key impacted clients, of which $20 million has already been paid. A further $23 million of refunds have been agreed on active U.K. contracts entered into in FY '25, which remain on foot. The remaining balance largely relates to the number of impacting customers where discussions are ongoing with $21 million close to final settlement. Turning to the middle section of this chart. This relates to Europe air margins. This issue came into focus later in the audit process where we identified certain historical contracting and revenue practices. The issue relates to certain airline fares purchased under wholesale commercial arrangements where a margin was retained, but certain client contracts did not clearly contemplate this margin being retained by CTM. We've now completed the work required to understand the issue and quantify the liability, which is $29 million as at 30th of June 2026. Client engagement remediation is underway. And while there remains work to do, we now have a clear understanding of the exposure and pathway to resolution. Finally, on the right-hand side, this relates principally to rebates received from suppliers in ANZ, where CTM had contractual obligations to pass those amounts back to clients. The accounting liability has been quantified at $13 million as at the 30th of June 2026, which remains within our previously disclosed range of $10 million to $15 million. In addition, we recognized a further $6 million in other contract-related matters identified through the broader process review. Overall, the key message from this slide is that we've identified the issues, quantified the liabilities and have reached settlements for the majority of refund liabilities, 78%. While there is still work ahead to finalize all outstanding matters, we now have a clear understanding of our exposures and a defined pathway to resolution. Now on Slide 16, this highlights the strength and resilience of the underlying business, particularly the bounce back in revenue and underlying EBITDA from FY '25 to FY '26 forecast. Starting with TTV on the left-hand side, we delivered $9.6 billion in FY '25, up from $9.1 billion in FY '24, and we expect that to increase further to approximately $9.8 billion in FY '26. While revenue was stable from FY '24 to FY '25, we're forecasting an increase in FY '26. Similarly, in underlying EBITDA, an increased forecast for FY '26 following the reduction in FY '25, as you can see on the right-hand side. A significant element of the reduction from FY '24 to FY '25 in underlying EBITDA relates to the ANZ region and primarily reflects commissions that have been reversed and additional bad debt expense as part of the remediation process for historical matters. Outside of the ANZ and Europe regions, adjustments in FY '25, the underlying business remained resilient. North America continues to perform strongly with growth in both TTV and revenue, while Asia remained stable. Europe was lower year-on-year in FY '25, reflecting lower special project activity, which picked back up in FY '26. What this slide demonstrates is that CTM continues to operate a large-scale global travel platform with nearly $10 billion in TTV, more than $640 million in revenue and meaningful earnings generation. The key takeaway is that while remediation issues and associated accounting adjustments impacted reported profitability in FY '25, the strength of the underlying operating performance can be seen in the forecast financial metrics for FY '26. Slide 17 looks at transaction volumes, which is one of the clearest indicators of the underlying health of the business. The first point to note is that transaction activity has remained resilient throughout FY '26. Across the group, transactions increased from 16.2 million in FY '25 to 18.3 million in FY '26, reflecting continued client activity and underlying demand across our markets. The monthly run rate also remained relatively consistent through the year. While there are natural seasonal fluctuations, we've not seen any material deterioration in transaction volumes as a result of the issues we've been discussing today. One point to call out is the soft results in April 2025, which coincided with the period following the U.S. Liberation Day announcements, which created broader market uncertainty and resulted in reduction in travel activity, particularly in North America. Those impacts were relatively short-lived and transaction activity recovered in subsequent months. Another message from this slide is diversification. As shown on the right-hand side, our transaction base is spread across regions. ANZ accounts for approximately 1/4 of transactions; North America around 34% to 36%; Asia approximately 15% and Europe around 25%. That diversification demonstrates the business is not reliant on any single geography, customer group or economic cycle. So overall, this slide reinforces 2 key points. Transaction volumes remain strong and the diversity of our global platform continues to be one of CTM's core strengths. Moving to Slide 18, which looks at EBITDA on a half-on-half basis over the last 2 years and provides a view of the run rate and underlying earnings profile of the business. The main takeaway is that the underlying run rate of CTM has remained relatively resilient throughout the period. Starting with FY '25 on the left-hand side, EBITDA reduced from $57 million in the first half to $26.7 million in the second half. When we adjust for prior year adjustment items of $12.7 million included in the underlying ANZ results, the adjusted underlying EBITDA is $39.4 million. These adjustment items relate to commission income previously on the balance sheet that had been recognized in prior years based on an expectation it would be recovered from hotel suppliers. As part of our review processes, we determined those amounts were no longer recoverable and therefore, reversed the revenue. Additionally, we recognized additional bad debt expense on items related to prior years. Turning to FY '26. First half EBITDA is forecast at $66.9 million compared with $46.7 million in the second half. The primary driver of that movement is Europe. During FY '26, Europe benefited from special project activities, particularly in the first half. Activity levels reduced in the second half due to lower underlying client activity. We continue to see opportunities in further project activity in the Europe region. As recently announced, we secured the U.K. Ministry of Defence contract. We expect that contract, together with other opportunities to contribute to activity levels and earnings generation into FY '27. Another point to note on this slide is the consistency of contribution across our regions. North America, Asia and ANZ have all continued to generate relatively stable earnings through the period, reflecting strong client retention. Slide 19 moves the discussion from accounting liabilities to actual customer settlements and cash outcomes in respect of U.K. matters. Starting with the top chart, this bridges the U.K. customer-related liabilities we announced to the market in April through to the position at 30th of June 2026. At a high level, we currently have approximately $234 million of customer-related liabilities on the balance sheet at 30th of June 2026. The starting point is the $260 million liability reflected on our June 2025 accounts on the left-hand side of this chart. The movements from June '25 to June '26 include, firstly, amounts refunded during the period in cash of $23 million to impacted clients. Around $21 million reflects foreign exchange movements associated with translating U.K. liabilities into Australian dollars between the balance sheet dates. There's then a further $18 million increase in liabilities in the period relating to active contracts. This is the term we use for specific large-scale U.K. contracts, which remain on foot. It reflects amounts received during FY '26 that have been incorporated into the liability balance. We have now reached an agreed position on these matters with the relevant clients. Once we move from liability assessment into direct negotiations with customers, a number of settlements are agreed at amounts lower than the accounting liability. As a result, settlement outcomes will reduce the liability by approximately $36 million. This reflects that there were contractual uncertainties and key customers, together with CTM, were motivated to reach settlements. What that means is that while we carry a liability of $234 million on the June 26 balance sheet, we have now agreed or close to final customer settlements totaling approximately $191 million with $7 million remaining to be remediated. The key point is that there is now a significantly greater certainty around both the amount and the timing of customer remediation. That leads to the bottom chart. This chart shows the payment profile of those agreed settlements. Of the $198 million of expected settlements, $191 million is already subject to formal payment plans with agreed customers or close to final. Those arrangements provide a high degree of certainty regarding the timing and quantum of future payments at a stage through to Q1 FY '28 rather than being payable immediately. There are no interest costs associated with the staged payment plan. This reduces near-term cash requirements and allows remediation to be managed in an orderly and sustainable manner. The next slide focuses on cash movements during FY '26. On the right-hand side, you can see we finished FY '26 with approximately $107 million of cash on hand despite a number of significant one-off cash flow -- cash outflows during the year. Starting on the left-hand side, the business generated $114 million of underlying EBITDA during FY '26, demonstrating the ongoing cash-generative nature of the underlying platform. Against that, as we move towards the right, you can see we've incurred nonrecurring costs of around $30 million associated with the forensic review, legal advisers, consultants and other activities required to investigate and address the issues identified through the review process. This has obviously been a significant expense for the business. In terms of working capital, in the middle of the chart during FY '26, CTM transitioned to a daily settlement cycle with IATA, which resulted in approximately 14 -- 4-0, $40 million working capital outflow. Following completion of these financial statements, we will reengage with IATA regarding these terms with a view to reverting to our previous terms over time. This impact was partially offset by approximately $18 million of working capital inflow related to active contracts, which we've now agreed with the relevant customers to refund. Note also that $23 million of customer refunds that were already processed -- that were already paid to customers during FY '26 as part of the remediation process. And finally, as you can see, we invested $29 million in capital projects, reflecting our continued commitment to invest in proprietary technology, which we see as a key part of our competitive advantage and customer service offering. Turning to Slide 21 and taking a look at the funding and balance sheet position of the group, which reflects our recent announcement on new funding arrangements. Starting on the left-hand side, the chart sets out the expected sources and uses of cash through calendar 2027. In terms of sources, starting from the bottom, we have cash on hand of $107 million at June 30. At the top of the chart, you can see we have committed facility of $175 million as recently announced, which I'll describe in more detail on the next slide. Additional sources include the business as usual cash flows, which we forecast to be $36 million. And as we previously referred to, we now estimate tax refunds of $62 million being a combination of VAT and refunds of U.K. income tax paid between FY '23 and FY '25. On the right-hand side of this chart, you can see the use of funds, including total customer refunds of $246 million previously referred to, which leaves cash, working capital and funding buffers of $134 million. This shows the balance sheet has been substantially strengthened with buffers as we manage through this period of refunds. On the right-hand side, we're including a profile of our expected drawn debt and cash on hand through to the end of calendar '27. We announced at the time of the new funding announcement this week that we forecast annualized interest cost for the group of around $20 million through FY '27 and FY '28. Slide 22 provides more detail on the debt facilities we put in place to support the business as we work through the remediation process. Following discussions with our existing syndicate and new lenders, we announced this week new financing arrangements. These facilities are provided by a high-quality institutional lender, PEP Credit. The outcome is a $175 million committed debt package comprising a combination of term debt and revolver facilities, providing us with additional flexibility and financial capacity. The terms of these facilities are set out in the ASX announcement we made earlier in the week. These facilities will sit alongside the facilities provided by our existing syndicate of lenders, which have been restructured to meet our business requirements. Drawdowns will occur progressively from now and broadly will be in line with customer repayment obligations. Slide 23 covers the goodwill impairment recognized as part of the FY '25 accounts. Most of this has already been disclosed to the market, particularly in relation to the European segment. As part of the finalization of the financial statements, we reassessed the carrying value of goodwill across each of our reporting units and updated assumptions around earnings, cash flow forecasts, discount rates and the current cost of capital. The most significant outcome was a full impairment of the European goodwill balance of $192.1 million. Given the issues we've discussed throughout today's presentation and the updated outlook for the region, we consider this to be the appropriate accounting treatment. We also recognized partial impairments in ANZ of $89.1 million and North America of $76.5 million. These were driven by changes in valuation assumptions, including a more conservative forecast on growth rates, increased cost of capital and investment in governance. These are noncash accounting adjustments and do not impact the group's liquidity or cash position. Before moving to my final slide, I'll make some comments on the audit opinion. There are qualifications in the audit opinion, and I'd suggest that analysts refer to the detail of that opinion. I would note the following: the qualifications relate to the European region and mostly relate to historic restatement matters where insufficient audit evidence was available. There are no qualifications where errors have been identified. And finally, the audit opinion in relation to going concern is unqualified. So the final slide in this section is Slide 24, which provides an update on trading in the first month of FY '27. The business continues to perform broadly in line with our expectations. Transaction volumes have remained resilient, increasing from 1.5 million to 1.6 million compared with the prior corresponding period. That gives us confidence that underlying customer activity levels remain healthy across the group. TTV is stable at approximately $830 million compared with $840 million in the PCP. Revenue is modestly lower, reflecting a combination of mix effects and the timing of activity across regions. It's also worth noting that some of the geopolitical uncertainty, which impacted business travel earlier this year, particularly around the start of the Middle East conflict has moderated. While we continue to monitor the environment closely, business travel activity has remained relatively resilient. We're also continuing to win special project work across the group, including work associated with the recently announced U.K. Ministry of Defence contract. In relation to capital management, dividends remain suspended at this stage. Our priority is to complete the remediation process, continue to strengthen the balance sheet and return the business to a position where dividends can be resumed over time. Further guidance will be provided at the Annual General Meeting in November. And with that, I'll hand back to Ana.

Thank you, James. So you've heard where the business stands today. Allow me now to focus on where we take CTM from here. So to the next slide. We believe corporate travel is entering an important period of change. Technology, data, automation and AI will increasingly simplify the travel experience. But in complex corporate and government travel, human expertise, judgment and service will continue to matter. Our opportunity is to combine the best of both, intelligent technology operating in the background with experienced people with human expertise and value. That's what we mean by quiet intelligence and a visible human hand. And importantly, we believe this model can deliver both, a better client experience and better economics for CTM. To the next slide. Here, we summarize the strategic shifts that sit behind the next phase of CTM. CTM has grown successfully as a collection of regional businesses. That gave us local responsiveness and entrepreneurial strength, but it also created complexity, duplication and in some areas, limited our ability to capture the full value of our global scale. We see 4 important shifts from here. First, from regional to more global, not by removing local accountability, but by applying stronger group standards, common measures and better visibility so that we can make better commercial decisions and leverage our scale more effectively. Second, a more connected and scalable technology environment. We will continue to invest in proprietary capabilities such as Lightning and Sleep Space while using data, automation and AI more consistently across the group. The objective is better client experiences, faster deployment of capability and a lower incremental cost to grow. Third, a much greater focus on revenue quality. TTV and transactions remain important, but growth has to translate into appropriate returns. That means greater discipline around pricing and deal economics, more value from our existing client relationships and stronger supplier economics. And fourth, a greater operating leverage. We want technology and automation to take more of the repetitive work out of the system, allowing our people to focus their expertise where it has the most value and enabling CTM to grow without proportionate growth in our cost base. Underpinning all 4 shifts are stronger governance and accountability, trusted data and more integrated global leadership. And when we take these together, these changes are about getting substantially more value from the platform CTM already has. And to the next slide, this is what leads us to CTM One. This brings the strategy all together, and this is how the different parts of the strategy reinforce each other. It starts with a better client experience, better technology, better content, better information, combined with our people applying their expertise where it matters most, makes CTM more valuable to our clients. That then drives deeper client engagement, and that results in stronger retention, greater share of wallet and more opportunities to expand what we provide. And deeper engagement then creates the opportunity for higher quality revenue, not simply more transactions, but better pricing, stronger deal economics, greater attachment of adjacent services and better supplier outcomes. And as that revenue grows, technology, automation, standardization and our global scale allow us to convert more of that growth into operating leverage, growing the business without a proportionate increase in cost. And that creates capacity to reinvest in CTM, to reinvest in our people, our technology and the client experience, which strengthens the cycle yet again. Across the entire flywheel sits our data, our human expertise and increasingly AI orchestration. They help us understand our clients better, make better commercial decisions, automate more effectively and make each part of the cycle work harder. The outcome for CTM is higher quality growth, and that means better client outcomes, stronger revenue economics and a more scalable business. And that is where our focus is now on the business ahead with a stronger platform, greater discipline and a clear growth model for CTM. Ladies and gentlemen, that brings me to the end of today's presentation. Thank you for your time today and for your interest in CTM. Ewen, James and I are now happy to take your questions. Thank you.

[Operator Instructions] And your first question is from the line of Wei-Weng Chen of RBC Capital Markets.

So just I think one question I have is the ASX relisting. What is required from here? What is the time line? And does the qualified opinion on the FY '25 accounts impact this?

It's James here. So we've announced today the FY '25 accounts and FY '26 accounts. And we've also said that the FY '26 accounts will be released early next week. It will then be for the ASX to determine when relisting occurs. We don't expect the audit opinion to impact that, but it's a matter for the ASX.

Okay. Cool. And then my other question was just, is the message here that the earnings base is around that $113 million, $114 million from which you plan to kind of grow from? And how much should we read into kind of July trading being about 9% down at the revenue line?

Thanks, Wei-Weng. Look, we've tried to -- we are not providing guidance for FY '27 today. We intend to provide an update at the AGM to take place in November. What we've done today is set out the run rate of the business and demonstrated the resilience we've seen in our earnings profile through this period. We provided July to be transparent and provide an indication of how the year has started. You can see that the activity level remains at or slightly above prior years. Revenue mix and other factors are in the July numbers, but we will provide an update at the AGM on quarterly performance.

[Operator Instructions] And your next question is from the line of Tim Plumbe of UBS.

I appreciate it's been a challenging time. I wanted to focus a little bit on Slide 18, if that's possible, just having a look at the first half, second half numbers. And obviously, in the U.K., there's a fair bit of movement between those halves. So when we look at that second half, is that fair to look at that as a BAU sort of half of earnings? And maybe can you explain a little bit how to think about the U.K. within that number because EBITDA contribution looks pretty low. So I don't know if there are costs that are coming in offsetting some of the project -- like for the project work that's not there. And if it is a clean set of numbers, is that how we should be thinking about the business going forward? Historically, the seasonal split of the business has been kind of 40-60, 45-55. Does that still apply with the business the way it is today? That's my question, please.

Thanks, Tim. I'll take that. So you can see on Slide 18 that there was a reduction between 1H and 2H in terms of the European numbers. What we've referred to is that special project activity levels were higher in 1H than 2H, and that has impacted the U.K. and European performance between those 2 halves. Reference to the last question as well, we're not giving an indication going forward in terms of the run rate of the business. We think what you can see in this run rate is the consistency across ANZ, North America and Asia. We've also announced recently ongoing work with the U.K. MOD. I don't think...

Got it. Is it fair to assume then in the second half, if you think about the U.K. business as 2 separate parts of the business, the special projects work and the core U.K. or Europe corporate travel work. How do we think about the EBITDA contribution? Like if the special project work wasn't there, is it loss-making? Or is it dragging down the earnings in Europe in the second half?

Tim, what I'd say to that is we're not splitting out the different components of the business in the U.K., and Europe will look further into that going forward potentially. But clearly, there is a contribution from the special project work, which has impacted the 1H, 2H figures. But we're not going to go into breaking down the profitability of individual components of the U.K. business -- U.K. and European business at this stage.

Got it. Okay. So just confirm that second half is like reflective kind of BAU, how we should think about the business going forward?

No, I didn't say that, Tim. I said that this is the combination of all of the activities of the European business. I've said that there's additional work that we've talked about going forward. But you can clearly see that the European business profitability, unlike the 3 other core regions, does fluctuate more, and that is driven by at the moment, special project work. Clearly, strategically, our aim is to continue to build the corporate work that we do in the European and U.K.

Understood. Sorry, not too hard, but just so that is there any reason why the margins for the traditional part of the European business would be different to ANZ and North America, like low 20s? Is there anything structurally different over there?

Look, we haven't broken out here. I mean there are differences clearly between the different businesses. And the business mix in the U.K. has been different to the business mix in the other regions. So it's not -- you cannot read into these results that all regions would have the same margin. That's not the case. You're probably aware, Tim, that our Asian business has a higher wholesale element, which is lower margin, for example. So you can't really directly compare the different margins of the different regions.

And your next question comes from the line of Belinda Moore of Morgans.

If we could just turn to Slide 24 and the July trading update, is a big component of sort of TTV and revenue coming off the higher dollar? So what would be the trends there in constant currency, please?

Sorry, Belinda, you're going to have to repeat that question.

Okay. James. On Slide 24, please, just where you give the July trading update. Is the reason TTV and revenues are falling, is that literally just given a higher dollar? What sort of the growth rate trend in constant currency, please?