Corteva, Inc. (CTVA) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 18, 2023

New York Stock Exchange US Materials Chemicals conference_presentation 40 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Joel Jackson

analyst
#1

All right. Next, we'll stay in seeds and chems and we're going to go to Corteva. Of course, one of the leading ag chem producers in the world. That's a very promising multiyear growth and margin opportunities, very robust seeding traits portfolio and attractive Crop Protection pipeline, all good things. Please welcome. We've got the CFO, Dave Anderson. We have CTO, Sam Eathington. So Sam, I think you're just first going to present a few minutes and highlights then we're going to dive into Q&A with Dave and Sam. And if you please, you have a great questions in last couple of sessions. Please submit your questions via the app or raise your hand. We'd love to integrate them.

Samuel Eathington

executive
#2

Great. Well, good morning, everybody. And Joel, thank you for the opportunity to be here. And Dave and I are happy to take some questions and talk to you a little bit more about Corteva. I'll just be real brief, but just a couple of things to set up. One is, as a company last year, we really started on a journey of looking at our strategy and focusing on what our portfolio should look like. And so we did a lot of simplification of our portfolio in both seed, like where to play, what countries, what crops, Crop Protection, what active, specialty actives that had low margin opportunities for us. And we're on a journey really to shift away from that to deliver sort of a higher quality earnings and margin improvement, and we're starting to see that already showing up in the business. The other real big journey we're on is in the biotech trait platform where, as a company, we have historically in-license a lot of biotechnology and pay a lot of royalties on those traits. And we're really in a transition now where we're starting to see some of our own biotechnology traits or some co-development traits and list soybeans being a really great example of that, where it's -- we expect it will be on about 50% or more of the market in North America. And sort of can cast a similar sort of platform in Brazil. But this is really shifting us to reducing our trade royalty structure. This year, it will be about $100 million of reduction to the company. And I think that grows to almost $250 million in the next year or 2 after that for total, but it also unlocks out-licensing opportunities for us. So as we start to get our own traits. We can create our own sort of stacking strategies and directions. So now all of a sudden, we're out licensing, and that's another growth opportunity for us as a company. On the Crop Protection side, we're on a journey of how do we continue to create. We're patented, differentiated products out of the pipeline that really have a favorable sustainability profile. And so we set some very aggressive goals about sustainability criteria and characteristics. And we're now 100% of our Crop Protection pipeline achieves those sustainability criteria. But it's also driving new product sales, which this year will be about $300 million of this new differentiated material. And by about 2025, we'll look quite different. About 2/3 of our portfolio would be patented differentiated crop protection material. And then the last area just to kind of hit on is we had an innovation update just -- I guess it was just last week, as time goes. But it was a build off of what we did in September really is about how we are an ag technology company. We rolled out some metrics about return on investment of our R&D program. I think it was the first time we've showed some of those metrics, and we look quite good relative to the ag industry. But we also framed up that to achieve our 2025 financial goals and targets, we've already invented those products. We still got to deliver a little bit to our commercial team, but those products are there we're launching things like PowerCore, Vorceed, we have Optimum GLY and canola. We've got new products in our Crop Protection platform that we launched like Adavelt. So we are -- we've got the material to deliver that. We focus on 2035, which is this journey about biotech trait royalties and CP differentiation, as I just mentioned. And then we also opened up that -- look, there's a lot of opportunities in emerging tech like gene editing or new frontier markets with energy, renewable energy shifts that are occurring, what we see in specialty proteins and of course, the biologics space for us. These are all other fabulous growth opportunities for us as a company. So overall, the company looks quite good, and we feel quite confident about our '25. Our pipeline out to 2035 and new opportunities on that. So with that, I'll turn it over to Dave and Joel.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#3

Great. And maybe you can send us questions or raise your hand. Okay. So let's start short term we'll kind of move out. It's long term, some of the great things in the pipeline. So 2023, talk about 2023, sort of what are the drivers and some of the headwinds and tailwinds that are sort of setting up for the outlook that's here?

David Anderson

executive
#4

Sure. Well, just as a reminder, and as Sam said, we did raise our guidance, Joel, as you know, for 2023 when we released earnings week before last. So we're now looking at 7% in terms of top line growth year-over-year at the midpoint of our new guidance. So $18.75 billion midpoint of that guide. That's impressive. And we're looking at EBITDA growth of 13% on a year-over-year basis. Two things that really contributed to that guide raise, and then we can come back and talk a little bit about what's new, what's different, some of the things that we're seeing over the course of 2023. But 2 things. Number one, as you'll recall, as Sam stated, the close on our acquisitions. So March 1, we closed on Stoller and Symborg. Stoller is significant for us in '23. It will add about $450 million of revenues, about $90 million is our forecast of EBITDA contribution. So these are real businesses, right? These are really creating for us, I'll call it, critical mass in terms of our positioning in the biologics segment of the Crop Protection market, which we think is going to be a fast grower as well as a significant value contributor to us, to our customer franchise. The second component of the guide, increasing, by the way on the EBITDA, we went from $3.5 billion at the midpoint of our prior guide for this year, up from $3.2 billion last year, 18.5% EBITDA margin last year. We took our guide up to $3.65 billion, $150 million increase. $90 million of that's the biologicals acquisitions. The rest of it is improved operating performance. We had an overdrive in the first quarter. Some of that is translating into full year benefit. 2023 is shaping up to be another good year for the company, but a little different than we anticipated on the front end. Number one, we've got less corn production in Europe as a result of the Russia-Ukraine war. Reduction in acreage planted, as you know, as well as a shift to sunflower out of corn. And then, of course, in Latin America, specifically Argentina and Southern Brazil in terms of drought conditions and the impact there. But we're looking at increased acreage, as you know, in the U.S., our forecast consistent with USDA it's 92 million acres for corn, which is a positive, obviously, for us. We're also seeing now in this season to start good planning, and I'd say, Sam, consistent with 5-year average in terms of row crops in the U.S. and North America. The other thing is we're seeing a bit of a change now in order patterns, the term we've used is normalization. And this is particularly we're seeing this in Latin America, specifically Brazil. And what that's doing is it's causing a shift in timing from 1H to 2H in some of that order pattern and therefore, some of the revenue, more like historic because '22 was a bit anomalous in terms of what we saw in terms of the demand pull. We forecast in terms of inflation, continued high, obviously, commodity cost impact on seed. We're more than offsetting that in terms of pricing. We saw nice margin growth in seed as well as crop in the first quarter. The forecast is to continue for that for the full year. On the Crop Protection side, you're going to see a lowering of the rate of inflation over the course of the year to a significant reduction in the back half of the year or the fourth quarter. And also, what you're going to see is a pricing standpoint, pricing is going to more normalize as well in the Crop Protection business, but still good revenue growth. Good margin growth on a year-over-year basis. So that's what's embedded in our numbers.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#5

Okay. And you and Chuck and the team put in a pretty good cost optimization program. We're taking a good look at the business. We work in rationalize the business just the first year, we were starting to see, how much of -- how much fruits of your labor are you seeing this year? How much more do you have to go? And anything this year you discover that maybe you've got some more dry powder on that program?

David Anderson

executive
#6

Well, what we're seeing is more favorable. You saw that when we finished 2022, I mentioned the $3.2 billion of EBITDA. We have a very strong finish to 2022, not just on the revenue side or on the commercial side, but we saw very good translation of top line to bottom line. So good operating leverage. And the operating leverage of Corteva continues to improve. You saw that again in the first quarter. One of the things, Joel, to your point in terms of cost management that we highlighted was improvement in SG&A, not just as a percent of sales but on a nominal basis, on a year-over-year basis, we're basically flat when adjusted for the inclusion of the Stoller acquisition that brought in some G&A, obviously, together with the revenues that we saw in the first quarter. On a full year basis, the outlook continues to be positive. The actions that we took in 2022, and you may recall, we took a restructuring in 2022, and we said the majority of that would be completed by the second quarter of 2023. That's translating to over $100 million of improvement on a year-over-year basis, which combined with other productivity actions is about a $300 million contribution to our P&L in '23. That's going to continue. We've got very good line of sight in terms of managing, if you will, our overheads. So as we grow revenue, as we enrich the product mix, the portfolio simplification and the exits that Sam talked about, over 20% of our active ingredients on the Crop Protection side, selective geographies in terms of our participation, 30 to 40 countries we've decided to exit. The combination of those, new technology, new products, combined with this improved mix, combined with the overhead management means gross margin expansion translating to EBITDA margin growth. This year, our latest guide, 19.5% EBITDA margin for 2023 compares to 18.5% last year. And by the way, up about 400 basis points over the last 4 years in terms of margin growth. And our 2025 guide is for a 22% midpoint operating margin, $4.4 billion of EBITDA in 2025. So we're on track to that. We feel very good about that. We think '23 is going to be another important installment towards that.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#7

Okay. Let's talk about seeds. Seed pricing has been very strong. You're gaining share in being paid for your royalties as you grow your list trade programs portfolio. Talk about how seed pricing? How is it fair this year versus your expectations, say, 6 months ago?

David Anderson

executive
#8

Obviously, Seed pricing is pretty much on track, maybe some upside to what we originally told the forecast. We're going to see and we've guided to in the high single to low double digits for Seed pricing increase this year. And that's a global number. Obviously, you're going to see differences by crop, by region, by specific market. But I would say we feel very good about that. We're more than offsetting, obviously, commodity costs, other costs, freight, logistics, other costs as a result of that pricing. So we'll see margin expansion again for the seed business. This year, you saw a nice performance in the Seed business in the first quarter. Sam, anything you'd want to add to that?

Samuel Eathington

executive
#9

Yes, I would just say part of our first quarter was driven by Brevant where we're adding to our retail market. That's a market we hadn't historically played in. It's about 30% of North American farmers buying in that space. And we're seeing a nice steady growth as we've launched that brand and brought traits and technology into it. And then Q2 really leans into more of our pioneer agents and reps that driving the Pioneer brand and corn in this way.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#10

Remember in the Innovation Day last week, I asked the question. I said, Chuck, I said the word Brevant never came up in the presentation. And here you, hey, don't forget Brevant. So maybe talk about that? Like is it sort of forgotten as the opportunity? Or is this kind of a small opportunity? It's nice, but it's not one of the biggest drivers?

Samuel Eathington

executive
#11

Yes. So we're new, right? So you got to remember kind of put our history as the companies came together, there was a Seed brand that was in retail by one of the heritage companies. It was down. It wasn't really viewed as a very competitive brand and performance. So we've retooled that. And we launched Brevant. We had launched it in Latin America. We launched it in North America. We brought Pioneer level of genetics and performance to it, which gives those farmers about 1/3 of the market, different choices than they've historically had. And so we're small, right? We don't want to mislead that. We're still a small player. But we think there's opportunity for us to have steady growth in that market over time as we bring our technologies to that market.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#12

Fair enough. Just a little bit on crop cans. So the markets since gone to more leaner supply chains. How is that changing your business, working capital?

David Anderson

executive
#13

It's really changing the -- I kind of mentioned that earlier, but good -- very good to expand on that a bit. So in the Crop Protection business, what we're seeing is demand patterns are definitely going to more of a historic norm. '22 was really anomalous. It was a scarce -- was scarcity value real concerns in terms of supply availability. We had force majeure as an industry, obviously, special chem broadly. So second half of '21 into '22 and through most of '22, that was -- that really characterize the marketplace. We're seeing now, Joel, much more of a normalization. We spoke to that in the first quarter. And it influences our guide. So just talk about that just for a moment and then maybe come back a little bit to specifically the crop. But when you look at our guide that I referenced earlier, what we shared was if you look at our first half to second half revenue distribution, that doesn't change too much, but our EBITDA distribution does. And partly as it's a result of the change that we're seeing in crop. Some of it is related to crop protection, somewhat related to just dynamics in Latin America broadly. And specifically, what we've shared with the group is that in 2022, 85% of our EBITDA generated in the first half, 15% second half. It's going to be closer to 80-20, not precisely, obviously, but closer to 80-20 this year, still very much on track in terms of achieving our full year targets. And by the way, a constructive setup, we think, for 2024 as well. Now in crop, what that's meant is we are carrying a little more inventory because that seasonal pattern now or that sales pattern rather than being as much as we had originally planned in the first half, a little more in the second half. Let's also see that just in terms of some receivables. But in terms of the overall volume, we're looking at market in the mid-single digits in terms of growth for the Crop Protection business, and we're looking at Corteva in terms of performance basically being in line with that.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#14

Earnings the first half and second half, some of the feedback I've heard from investors is no way you guys are too conservative, that Q2 is way too conservative. Dave?

David Anderson

executive
#15

Well, there's -- we'd like to have numbers that obviously that we can achieve.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#16

Like some softballs?

David Anderson

executive
#17

We like to have numbers that we can achieve. But let me give you some good talking points here, some reality. Number one, is this change in terms of LatAm and specifically Brazil. Brazil is going to be much more like on a revenue distribution this year, probably more like 20-80, 20% first half, 80% second half compared to 30-70 last year. I mean that's meaningful for us in terms of that business. That's number one. Number two, as I mentioned, on crop because of this change in order patterns, some of that's related to Brazil, but more broadly, Europe and other markets, we're going to see by virtue of that. We're going to see a stronger second half on a relative basis compared to 2022. And then finally, we had -- I would almost call it a pull forward of our European business in the first quarter. You saw the strength of Europe. And last year, Europe was affected back to supply and challenges there. Europe was affected because, frankly, the product was challenged in terms of availability and therefore, being able to fulfill on time to customer requests. This year, we had the supply, we were able to do it. So when you look at the comps, we had a much stronger first quarter compared to the second quarter. All of those things are sort of in the mix relative to what we think 2Q. We're still going to have revenue growth. We're still going to have EBITDA growth but it's going to be more muted against the averages that we're going to see for 1H and 2H.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#18

We have Sam here. So let's get into some more innovation. So Enlist has been phenomenal and your competitor in that space. I talked about now we've had a steady state of market share between Enlist and I don't know, Xtend and XtendFlex. How do you feel like that? Have you hit steady state or you've got more to go?

Samuel Eathington

executive
#19

Yes. If you look at the Enlist soybean platform in North America, right, we launched that in 2019. We hit over 45% of the acres last year. We think that will be north of 50% this year. And we still believe that's a 60% product out in the marketplace in North America. So we continue to see farmers excited about it. We continue to see adoption growing on it. And for us, it's what the big shift has been in the last year or 2 as we switched over to essentially pioneer genetics and most of that. And so we see great performance in that lineup. So we think there's a little bit more left there.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#20

And when you try to push more like at some point in some regions, you probably start hitting kind of limits. Is that limit because -- I don't know, is it that the Dicamba performs better here? And is it getting to some of the nuances like that?

Samuel Eathington

executive
#21

There are definitely segments across North America where the Dicamba product, maybe it's even with the presence of cotton, where it's got a strength and farmers are trying to play up the, do I want to mix between different chemistries when I'm running my spray programs? And so there are markets where that is a stronger sort of burden to adoption. And then there's other markets where, look, it's flipped to 100% Enlist already out in the marketplace.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#22

You're investing in more spinosyns and insecticide capacity. Can you talk about the opportunity there?

Samuel Eathington

executive
#23

Yes. So spinosyns as our insecticide franchise, 2 products really Qalcova and Jemvelva. Qalcova plays in the organic market, Jemvelva, we do a little bit of synthetic chemistry modification to the product and goes out. But this platform services, I think it's 130 countries, like 250 different crops, so a couple of hundred pest problems. And we've never produced to the demand curve yet, right? We're always essentially allocated or sold out. And so we think there's still continued opportunity. That franchise will cross about $1 billion in sales in 2023, and we're looking at what's the next tranche look like in the next 3 to 5 years? And what's that forecast demand and opportunities for us.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#24

And then obviously, now you've closed Symborg and Stoller. So you're you purchased some channel in Brazil. You've got a biological business. Talk about the most exciting prospects from those acquisitions?

David Anderson

executive
#25

Maybe I could talk a little bit about just the deals and sort of the background of the strategic rationale. And Sam, maybe you could talk a little bit more about what that represents in terms of product development, innovation, et cetera. So one of the things we had was, obviously, we had a gap in our portfolio as regards to biologicals. And it meant for us being patient, but also being sufficiently assertive in terms of filling that gap. And so we had the ongoing relationship, a distributor relationship, commercial relationship with Symborg, which is a Spain-based microbial business. Very, very impressed with their technology and really saw as they did as well, the commercial -- significant commercial opportunity for expansion with Corteva. And then Stoller, of course, being able to consummate that transaction, which really brings much more scale and critical mass in terms of micronutrients and PGRs. So plant growth products. So what those bring to us, and I mentioned this earlier, is they also bring real financials. So $450 million this year in terms of revenue, approximately $90 million of EBITDA. We expect those revenues to compound top line anywhere from 15% to 20% over the next several years out to 2025. And then obviously, good growth, we believe, beyond that. And EBITDA, we think we'll grow very nicely in the neighborhood of 20% to 25% compound. So real businesses feeling a real strategic as well as operational fit with the company, and obviously, a big fit, Sam, with your platform and what you guys are doing?

Samuel Eathington

executive
#26

Yes. I mean if you look at what Symborg brought to us is a microbial expertise, right? They have discovery programs. They have microbiologists. They've delivered products to the marketplace. So it's a real plus up into our pipeline and capabilities. What we've seen is the kind of the reverse is we have some opportunities in formulations. So we have a lot of experience about how to do formulations. We have a bigger regulatory organization and capabilities. So as we think about getting registrations of Symborg and Stoller products around the world, those are things that the Corteva system brings to us. So it's a nice marriage already, and we're working down the integration path and figuring out the best model of how to operate it.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#27

Okay. Maybe I'll drift in some of the question I got, some high-level question I got from the audience. So when you think of the business, what are some of the long-term and near-term impacts of climate change and regenerative ag on the business? And how might this change your R&D efforts?

Samuel Eathington

executive
#28

Yes. So if we think about long-term climate change, what are we going to see most likely is you'll continue to see pest problems expand. So in the simplest model, if you think about from a temperature point of view, the equator is expanding towards the poles, right? That's the simplest way to think about what's happening in temperature shifts, some of it's nighttime daytime differences. But that means pests can go with it. So increased insect pressure. We already see some of that increased disease pressure. We already see some of that in different places. And that's why our discovery and research programs on how to control insects, whether it's chemistry, biologics, biotechnology, our work on disease control, especially with gene editing, we think is really important in that space to bring different solutions there. We got to continue to do that to make sure we don't have yield loss due to that pest expansion. The other thing we see is you're probably going to get some shifts in rainfall patterns. And so a lot of things we're doing is how do we make sure the crop is optimized for water use. The farming system is optimized for water use. So whether it's a rotations, cover crop systems and doing the research to make sure we've got crops that work in that space at the end of the day. So I think on climate change were pretty good. The regenerative ag is interesting because it could open up new opportunities for farmers from revenue, right? So if they can get a carbon credit by doing a different farming practice, no till or a winter crop, reduce their nitrogen rates, things like our nutrition in with Symborg works very nice in that, right? How do you have a microbial produce some of the nitrogen that you need in that space. And so we've got efforts on cover crops. We've launched the collaboration with Bunge and Chevron to bring winter canola into the mid-South and south, which serves as a cover crop but also as a lower carbon energy source. And then, of course, the biologics fit nicely into different nitrogen applications and uses. So we're playing across the space, and we're helping farmers very small, but we're helping them understand what the carbon credit market could look like and what are the shifts they would have to make in the farming practices and how to manage through that.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#29

On your Innovation Day, the other -- I guess, last week? How -- you did talk about some of the opportunities that you call them frontier opportunities, gene editing, renewable fuels, specialty oils and proteins. Maybe we could go through each one, gene editing, to be getting a little more -- I know like a couple of years ago, there was a concern that maybe you wouldn't get the right regulatory roles or support it seems like it has, maybe talk about that.

Samuel Eathington

executive
#30

Yes, yes. So Joel is right. We talked about some new opportunities in what we call emerging technology with gene editing and then frontier markets. First, on gene editing. Look, it's an incredibly exciting space. I'm going to tell you, I believe it will be more transformative of a global ag than biotech has been, right, because its ability to really accelerate what plant breeders can do in a lot of crops. The question has always been what's the regulatory policy going to be around the world and back in '08, Europe really kind of threw a curveball to the world and said it's GMOs and it's not allowed. Two years ago, they really sort of rethought that. They had a commission look at what's their regulatory policy and they're leaning a lot more favorable towards regulation world. And we think somewhere around '24, we'll probably get some clarity around Europe. It will probably still be regulated somehow, probably still have labeling laws but it'll be workable versus GMOs you really can't cultivate in Europe today. The rest of the world is moving quite favorable. Canada has really just came out with some new policies quite favorable to GMO or gene editing, excuse me. U.K. passed some new legislations very favorable. China just about 10 days ago approved for cultivation, the first gene-edited soybean in China, right? And so India's shown some positive movement. So we're seeing a lot of movement around the world to a more favorable regulatory environment. And what we've been doing is investing in core capabilities and product concepts assuming somewhere in that '24, '25, we get some more clarity of how to operate, and we've got a pipeline that's ready to go with that. On the frontier markets that we've talked about biologics already, but the other two that we've highlighted is renewable energy. If you just look at what's going on with just California alone, the credits on renewable diesel coming from plant-based oils is quite positive. You see a lot of crush plant going in to handle this. So we worked out a deal with a collaboration with Bunge and Chevron where basically the full channel from farmer. We're a seed provider, the crush to take the oil, sharing that value across the channel to bring winter canola to really the mid-south. We think that could be up to a 10 million-acre opportunity where a farmer can produce -- it's a food crop if they want, but it's also an energy crop. And it plays nicely. You know how to grow at its agronomics, it's a viable crop. So we're starting down that path. We're launching that this year, about 5,000 to 8,000 acres out there with farmers but we're excited about where that could go. And then the specialty protein, we announced the collaboration with Bunge also where, look, if you look at the value of amino acids in the soy space for animal feed, it's about a $10 billion market today. And with the closed-loop system with Bunge and the feeders, we can now apply gene editing to really make those changes in soybeans really fast. And we think, again, this is easily another 5 million-acre sort of opportunity of value creation that we share across the channel. So we're looking at those, and we're taking very much a how do we collaborate and find the right parts of the value chain to really unlock the value and make the whole system work.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#31

Dave, when you think of all these opportunities that the company can invest and you did a lot of work in looking at this last year, you're doing an 8% spend in R&D percentage of sales, right? Why not 7%, why not 9%?

David Anderson

executive
#32

Yes, that's a good question. And it's directional. It's targeted, but it's also directional. And just as a backdrop to Joel's point about R&D in the 7%. So we're actually a little bit less than that in 2023 or in 2022, given our spend and given our revenues. But we're on track for that now and then the growth that we'll see this year, we expect to continue in the R&D spend. What it's doing is it's facilitating the expansion beyond the -- what's necessary to deliver '25. 2025 and the performance, as Sam talked about in his opening remarks. The other thing it's doing is it's giving us the ability of that internally for internal development to really leverage and expand on this platform that we've now created with the acquisitions of Stoller and Symborg and the biologicals. And next, as Sam talks about other emerging technologies as well as frontier markets, whether it's the gene editing or whether it's the fuel -- for fuels, proteins, this gives us a significant, we think, opportunity beyond the numbers that we shared on Innovation Day that are built into our net peak trade revenue. So it's beyond that $24 billion, Joel, number. We think that all fits within the wheelhouse of Corteva, and it's also against the backdrop and just to reinforce, we think one of the strongest pipelines in the industry and also one of the strongest R&D organizations measured not only in terms of the quality of the pipeline, but also in terms of that ROI metrics that we shared on Investor Day. So that really gives us the confidence for this and it's supported by what we're doing in terms of managing our SG&A spend. So again, when you look at the P&L and sort of the math if you will, or the calculus of what we see as attractive continued gross margin expansion in this business, that translating them to bottom line EBITDA continuing to support the R&D and the innovation engine.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#33

So you're able to raise your -- so free cash flow conversion has been an issue, you actually talked about you'd be able to raise it for this year from 34% to 36% in your last update. You achieved I think 40%, 42% in the -- some years before that on average. Dave, you've gone in and looking at it, maybe something you want to improve? Or tell me when you go back to 40%, how quick is this to happen? Do you get to 50%, what can happen?

David Anderson

executive
#34

It's an excellent question. Obviously, 2022 was disruptive to our track record, as you know, on free cash flow conversion for the reasons we talked about earlier, where we had this really need to replenish, particularly inventory on the Crop Protection side. We also had the impact of higher commodity costs and ingredient cost inflation, if you will, in both crop and seed, which affected inventory as well as receivables balances together with growth in the business. So this year, we'll actually see inventory in the, call it, a year to go from the end of the first quarter to the end of the year. We'll see inventory actually being a source of funds for us as we more normalize the working capital and inventory relationship to sales. The set for 2024, we think it's going to be -- continue to be positive. Joel, we think that's going to be another year of improvement in terms of our cash flow conversion and 2025 as well. So that's really kind of back to that 40%, kind of 50%, we think, in terms of conversion. And by the way, to put that in perspective, we're using EBITDA here as the denominator. So free cash flow on the numerator, EBITDA on the denominator. If you used operating earnings, which some companies do, to do that ratio, we'd be in the 62% to 63% this year on the path to then 75% to 80% plus in the '24 to '25 time frame.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#35

So September rolls around last year, you have a great Investor Day. You raised your targets for -- you delivered '25 targets when everybody thought stock goes down, right? Because everyone was so excited and now it's done. You've delivered. They don't actually deliverd, just not to set on paper, now I'm being funny. But I mean -- and then I think in ag stocks have been a bit difficult in the last bunch of months. But Corteva has been kind of offsetting in the range. Have you guys thought about that and we talked with Chuck like, hey, we delivered, what everybody thought. And now one's like, oh it's done. Are there opportunities to do better than what you thought or what you think talk about that? Or what do you think you have to do to show investors that, hey, we deserve that multiple that we've been getting and you should just roll it forward, and we should be a $70, $80, $90 million stock down the road?

David Anderson

executive
#36

Sure. Well, part of it is just continuing to deliver over time, right? Nothing substitutes for our actual results, we all know that. And it is against the backdrop, as you said, of some of the rotation and kind of use in terms of the overall ag cycle. But when you look at Corteva, a couple of things. Number one, the raise that we've provided for '23 in terms of guide is quite unusual, right? If you look at our practice, our practice wouldn't be to raise guide in the first quarter. I mean the crop isn't really in the ground in North America. There's a lot of uncertainty. The reality is we feel very good about 2023 and thus, the raise of the guide. It wasn't just the acquisition. It's also the confidence that we have in the operational performance. We think the setup for 2024 is quite constructive. What we see in terms of now commodity prices coming back to, call it, again, more normal levels, still above historic averages. I think that's actually healthy for the ag economy. Farmers are still in a solid position, good position. They're going to plant the crop. They're going to harvest the crop. There is still, if you look at the stock-to-use ratios, the setup for the overall ag cycle continues to be positive. We use what we call a price for value strategy. We are not a commodity business in that sense. We're bringing real yield advantaged products in our seed and yield protection products in our Crop Protection. We've shifted our portfolio and that shift will be nearly complete through the course of 2023 to really reduce/eliminate, mitigate any exposure to commodity related products, particularly on the Crop Protection side, which, as I mentioned, 20% of the AIs we're getting out of. So this is a business and then coupled with Sam's pipeline and its innovation and what we're going to be delivering in terms of traits, what that means to us in terms of controlling our own, if you will, technology and destiny, the royalty reduction he mentioned $100 million this year, $250 million by 2025 and on a path to royalty neutrality. These are big numbers that are part of the forward plan and forward forecast for our company. So I think it's delivering that and really demonstrating to investors that this is a business that can perform "through the cycle", can deliver real value that we're on path to these targets and that we've got also real discipline in our capital allocation. I think the acquisitions are really going to demonstrate that. Also, if you think about it cumulatively in terms of what we've done to return cash to shareholders, particularly in the form of share buyback, that's going to continue to be a very important part of the story. So I think all of that is part of what we've got to demonstrate, Joel, can continue to demonstrate to investors.

Joel Jackson

analyst
#37

Thanks, Dave. Thanks, Sam.

Samuel Eathington

executive
#38

Thank you.

David Anderson

executive
#39

Thank you.

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