Curis, Inc. (CRIS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
August 4, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Bill Steinkrauss
executiveThanks for joining us for Curis' earnings call for the second quarter of 2020. To start, I'd ask that you visit the Investors area of our site, www.curis.com, where the earnings release for Q2 2020 along with the associated financial tables can be found. I also want to note that management will present forward-looking statements on this call, which reflect our present expectations and beliefs; such statements carry certain risks and uncertainties, and actual results could differ materially. For more information, please refer to our SEC filings. With me today are Jim Dentzer, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Bob Martell, who leads our R&D efforts. A question-and-answer session will follow at the conclusion of the call. At this point, I'll hand things over to Jim Dentzer, Curis' CEO. Jim?
Jim Dentzer
executiveThanks, Bill. Hello, everyone, and thanks for being with us this afternoon. Many of you are aware that Curis's mission involves creating the next generation of targeted cancer therapies so that patients' lives can be meaningfully improved and extended. Our team's know-how and its capacity to spot untapped oncology targets—targets we think hold substantial promise for addressing unmet patient need—are what drive our novel pipeline. During the second quarter, we delivered on clinical and financial objectives alike, making meaningful headway toward key goals for the year; in our ongoing CA-4948 study, the IRAK4 program, we moved dose escalation forward in patients with relapsed or refractory non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, or NHL. A second IRAK4 trial was launched in patients with relapsed or refractory acute myeloid leukemia, or AML, and high-risk myelodysplastic syndromes, or MDS. During the same quarter, we also got FDA clearance to move ahead on the investigational new drug application for CI-8993, our monoclonal anti-VISTA antibody. Finally, we closed a sizable financing transaction with a number of fundamental health care investors. For Curis, the quarter was extremely eventful. Taken together, these achievements position us for exciting data catalysts later in the year and sustained momentum as we head toward 2021. At Curis, we're charging ahead at full speed, and I'm eager to build on this progress during the third quarter; with that, let's turn to our clinical development programs, beginning with CA-4948, our small molecule IRAK4 kinase inhibitor. As a reminder, CA-4948 is presently being assessed in an ongoing Phase I dose escalation study for treating patients who have relapsed or refractory non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, or NHL, among them patients with diffuse large B-cell lymphoma, Waldenström's macroglobulinemia, and Oncogenic MYD88 mutations. In this Phase I study, we are right now assessing patients receiving 300 milligrams of CA-4948 twice daily, after clear dose response and tumor reductions were observed at earlier dose levels. Enrollment pace decelerated during the second quarter, since numerous clinical sites put enrollment on hold temporarily because of the COVID-19 pandemic. Fortunately, after new guidance and protocols came out, several of our Phase I study sites have reopened and are actively enrolling new patients; thus, although the data aren't mature enough yet for us to declare a recommended Phase II dose today, we're confident that by the end of this year we'll be able to provide updated safety and efficacy data and also finalize the recommended Phase II dose. Even so, the tumor reduction data we've observed thus far are highly encouraging. With these data in hand, we're excited to announce today our plan to launch the combination study of CA-4948 with ibrutinib, the market-leading BTK inhibitor; in preclinical models, inhibiting both IRAK4 and BTK has been shown to deliver significant anticancer benefit. As you'd expect, given their differing mechanisms of action, they also seem to be highly synergistic. Our team and the clinical investigators we work with can't wait to find out whether the efficacy this combination therapy showed before entering trials carries over into patients, the way the single-agent results already have. With what we announced today, we're kicking off collaboration with our clinical sites and with the FDA, and we anticipate that enrollment will open in a Phase I trial of CA-4948 given together with ibrutinib prior to the close of this year. Let's now turn to leukemia — our CA-4948 study involving individuals who have relapsed or refractory AML along with high-risk MDS, among them patients whose spliceosome mutations drive expression of the oncogenic long isoform of IRAK4. One month ago, we reported that the first patient had been dosed in our open-label Phase I dose escalation trial evaluating CA-4948 as a monotherapy in these populations; we had been anxious to get this trial going from the moment Dr. Amit Verma and Dr. Daniel Starczynowski gave their landmark presentation at last year's ASH Conference, where they pinpointed particular spliceosome mutations as drivers of disease through their role in causing expression of the long isoform of IRAK4. The short isoform of IRAK4, they showed, is normal, whereas the long isoform is oncogenic. They went on to show that blocking IRAK4 by treating with 4948 produced a dramatic decrease in the formation of leukemic blasts. By identifying IRAK4-L as the first and only known driver of disease affecting more than half of patients with AML and MDS, their work transformed the landscape of these diseases. Armed with the discoveries of Dr. Verma and Dr. Starczynowski, along with preliminary data from our NHL trial, we moved swiftly alongside our clinical investigators and the FDA to craft a trial of CA-4948 in the AML and MDS population. And we're delighted that only six months afterward, we've dosed our first patient. This Phase I dose escalation trial is enrolling a minimum of three patients at each dose level, beginning at 200 milligrams twice daily. As I noted earlier, we're thrilled to launch this trial at a dose level that may be therapeutic, following the FDA's sign-off, since 200 milligrams twice daily was found to be both safe and able to achieve encouraging biologic activity and clinical efficacy in our Phase I NHL study. The primary objective here is to establish the maximum tolerated dose and the recommended Phase II dose of CA-4948, drawing on safety and tolerability dose-limiting toxicities together with pharmacokinetic and pharmacodynamic findings. We couldn't be happier that this trial is now running, and we look forward to sharing initial data before this year is over; next I want to discuss our VISTA program and CI-8993, our first-in-class monoclonal anti-VISTA antibody. This is a target that excites us a great deal. Once activated, VISTA serves a critical function in suppressing T cell activity. On the flip side, research done before human trials has demonstrated that if you block VISTA, T cell suppression gets prevented, which brings antitumor immune function back to life. There's also promise, in our view, for going after VISTA together with an inhibitor of PD-1, PDL1, or even CTLA-4, since preclinical work indicates that shutting down VISTA makes those checkpoint regulators work much better. Many of you will recall that a small molecule aimed at both PDL1 and VISTA was something we created in the past. That small molecule was active, yes, but the efficacy it delivered couldn't compete with the monoclonal antibodies being developed at that moment for the population we were targeting; our belief was that this likely came down to 2 reasons. First, being a large molecule, a monoclonal antibody gives you full coverage of a receptor over multiple binding regions. A small molecule, when you compare it, blocks just 1 or 2 contact points on a target receptor. Second, monoclonal antibodies have a tendency to hold tightly around a receptor, nearly the way Velcro does, whereas a small molecule keeps bouncing on and off what it targets. Because of those reasons, we launched a hunt last year for the strongest IP, the finest library of drug candidates, and the deepest grasp of VISTA biology. In ImmuNext, we came across a partner possessing all 3. Then in January of this year, we signed an option and license agreement with them covering development and commercialization of CI-8993, and right away we started working to develop it. In June, a mere 5 months afterward, our IND application for CI-8993 got cleared by the FDA, which makes it the sole anti-VISTA antibody in development right now to move into human testing. The interest and excitement coming our way from the clinical community regarding this program pleases us, and our belief is that CI-8993 could potentially be a game-changing cancer therapy. Later this year, we look forward to kicking off a Phase I study of CI-8993 in patients who have solid tumors. To wrap up, our clinical progress so far this year has us very excited. We hope the coming few months will move us even closer to creating meaningful therapies for patients fighting cancer. With that, I'll hand the call back to Bill so he can review our financial results for the quarter. Bill?
Bill Steinkrauss
executiveThanks, Jim. For Q2 2020, Curis posted a net loss of $6.7 million, equal to $0.17 per share, on both a basic and diluted basis. That compares with a net loss of $7.2 million, or $0.22 per share on a diluted basis, during the same quarter in 2019. Revenue in the second quarter of 2020 came in at $2.4 million, versus $2.1 million for the same period 2019. In both periods, revenue mainly consisted of royalties recorded on Genentech and Roche's net sales of Erivedge. Operating expenses for Q2 2020 totaled $7.8 million, compared with $8.2 million for the same period 2019. Costs of royalty revenues came to $0.1 million in both the second quarter 2020 and 2019. Research and development expenses reached $5.3 million in the second quarter of 2020, versus $5.6 million for the same period in 2019. That decline was mainly due to reduced clinical trial costs tied to CA-170 and fimepinostat. General and administrative expenses were $2.4 million in the second quarter of 2020, compared with $2.5 million for the same period in 2019. That decrease was driven primarily by lower stock-based compensation and legal and professional services fees, partially offset by higher occupancy costs. Other expense net was $1.3 million for the second quarter of 2020, compared with $1.1 million for the same period in 2019. Other expense net primarily consisted of imputed interest expense related to future royalty payments. As of June 30, 2020, our cash, cash equivalents and investments totaled $23.6 million, which includes net proceeds from our $17.5 million registered direct offering that closed in June. As of June 30, 2020, roughly 50.6 million shares of common stock were outstanding; we expect that our existing cash, cash equivalents and investments should allow us to maintain our planned operations beyond our end-of-the-year data catalysts and into the first half of 2021. Note that our forecast does not include any potential proceeds from our stock purchase agreement of up to $30 million with Aspire Capital. With that, I'd like to open the call for questions. Operator?
Alethia Young
analystHi there. I appreciate you answering my question. I have a few things to ask. First, regarding 4948 and the data expected at year-end — can you give us a sense of how many patients that might involve? Also, what role has COVID played here, or is it simply that additional data is needed before the dose can be fully understood? My second question concerns the ibrutinib combination and how you plan to determine the appropriate dose level for it. Then my third question: what are the rate-limiting steps for launching the anti-VISTA program in the second half of the year? Are there any, or do you believe you're nearing the final stage for that? Thank you.
Jim Dentzer
executiveOf course. Hello, Alethia, thanks for joining. So I believe that's three questions — your update on the combo being pushed back because of COVID, and then the anti-VISTA rate-limiting factors. Regarding enrollment in the lymphoma study, you're absolutely correct. COVID-19 did affect us. Certain sites closed completely. Fortunately, they've reopened and resumed enrolling. So although we're seeking just a small number of additional patients, we've brought some new ones on. And honestly, all we need is for those patients to remain on drug sufficiently long for the data to be read out — essentially, to let the data mature. Based on the patients we've managed to enroll since reopening, we're confident we'll be able to lock in that Phase 2 dose by year-end. But regrettably, yes, the COVID interruption set us back, much as it did many others across the industry. On the combo study, could you remind me what your second question was?
Alethia Young
analystWhat I was trying to get at is how you arrived at the correct dose in that situation. My understanding was that some of the 4948 work done at the other sites was being used to guide your dosing decision?
Jim Dentzer
executiveHad we already established the Phase 2 dose in lymphoma, the choice would have been obvious — we'd simply begin there. What made the combo study tricky, I think, is that at this point our knowledge is solid enough that we're confident about moving into Phase II; the data is convincing to us. The real open question was: which dose is the correct one? That left us with 2 options. Option one: hold off until the Phase II dose was locked in and all the data had matured. Option two: given that we're ready to proceed and we already know 200 works, launch the study right away and put patients on the therapeutic dose, which is 200. Then, should they clear that dose, we simply escalate the dosing exactly the way we've been doing on the monotherapy arm. So yeah, that's essentially the whole story for the combo side. With VISTA, nothing is really holding us back. Honestly, our interactions with the FDA turned out to be more fruitful, more efficient, and quicker than we'd expected. As a result, we're operating at breakneck speed to open our sites as quickly as we can. At this point it's really just the blocking and tackling involved in working with the sites — which are also back up now that COVID has passed — to get them through all their processes and begin enrolling patients into that study.
Alethia Young
analystOkay. Great. Thank you.
Jim Dentzer
executiveSure.
Soumit Roy
analystHi, everybody. I appreciate you answering my question, and congratulations on getting the ibrutinib combo across the finish line in NHL — you're really making that asset work hard. I'd like to hear your thoughts on running this monotherapy trial alongside 4948. Are you noticing, or are the physicians who enroll patients, leaning toward more of the non-GCB type, or is that something you'd rather emphasize in the ibrutinib combo study? And could you share a bit of detail about which line of patients you're seeing. Are they — what share are transplant relapse versus naive? Just some flavor regarding the patients in NHL.
Jim Dentzer
executiveAbsolutely. Thanks, Soumit. Above all, I appreciate you joining the call. We're grateful for your interest; regarding the patients who are being enrolled, I'd say there's definitely a broad mixture of indications. The data isn't in our hands yet. We'll receive that data in due course, definitely before we report out on MYD88 mutations. That's something we're quite eager to learn as well. Still, it's been encouraging that there's been a wide range, a wide sampling of patients spanning multiple indications going into the study. These are relapsed/refractory patients; we're seeing that on average they've had roughly 3.5 lines of prior therapy before entering; so they're quite ill; yet naturally we're heartened that the level of interest in getting them enrolled is high, and that the dose response has been so clear. And we're quite eager to learn, once the final data comes back on MYD88 alterations, where the data tend to correlate, even though it's a small number of patients — I believe each little piece of information will prove very useful to us moving forward. Go ahead.
Soumit Roy
analystFor the ibrutinib combination study, would your focus be on the non-GCB subtype, or would you keep it completely open to whatever the physician characterizes?
Jim Dentzer
executiveRight. So I'd say there are a couple of ways to think about it. First, the study's purpose, as I see it, is genuinely to extend the preclinical evidence we've generated; so — you might recall that the preclinical evidence we've generated, shown on a slide in our corporate presentation, demonstrates that IRAK4 and BTK inhibition each work quite strongly on their own. When you put them together, they seem highly synergistic and, naturally, more potent than either one alone. With that in mind, we're genuinely aiming at patients who would otherwise receive ibrutinib. So in any indication where ibrutinib is used, at full dose, we'd anticipate seeing synergy; that being said, although it's broadly open to those populations, anyone whose tumor type is at least partly driven by the toll-like receptor pathway ought to show greater sensitivity to treatment and ought to respond even more strongly. Yet we'd anticipate, based on our preclinical evidence, that wherever we can identify patients responding to BTK therapy, adding 4948 to it ought to turn it into a more effective therapy; and that's genuinely the population we're pursuing.
Soumit Roy
analystAll right. Thanks. I have one thing to ask about on the AML side. Now that Takeda's pevo in the high-risk MDS population is, shall we say, once more quietly posting a pretty solid response rate — a CR rate of 52% — do you think the competitive picture is shifting? And do you think the route to registration won't be as straightforward as an accelerated approval, but instead require a full Phase III trial with a controlled arm? Are you seeing any shift in strategy?
Jim Dentzer
executiveYeah. Actually, Bob, you might be a good person to jump in on this one.
Bob Martell
executiveAbsolutely, and I appreciate that question. So we are kicking off a trial that covers both AML and myelodysplastic syndrome. When you look at these indications—leaving out high-risk MDS, lower-risk MDS, and AML—each one comes with its own distinct set of treatment algorithms, and we fully expect those to shift as time goes on. That said, as Jim pointed out, one thing that makes IRAK4 stand out is its role as a major driver of the disease—it was a < >—meaning the drug goes straight at that target. Because of that, we believe it will become an essential piece in how AML and MDS are treated. We also recognize that when you pair this drug with other agents used < > MDS, there's potential for synergy, so that plays into the picture as well. All that said, yes, we see this continuing to evolve, but at present, we believe there are multiple registrational pathways that look quite viable.
Jim Dentzer
executiveYes. Soumit, allow me to make a couple of additional points. First off, I realize the connection on our end appears to be dropping out; scheduling our earnings call for the same day a hurricane struck the Northeast was not something we intended. Thank you for bearing with us while you attempt to follow every second or third word, since each of our phones keeps disconnecting. Now for the second point, yes, I'll expand on what Bob just shared. In my view, the oncology field overall, and definitely the direction we are moving in, never stays still, because novel treatments keep emerging. A benefit of 4948, being a small molecule, is its strong compatibility with a variety of other agents. Additionally, as Bob noted — and I want to stress this — specifically in AML and MDS, although some therapies will demonstrate effectiveness in this area, just one disease driver affects half the population, period. What's more, ours is the sole oncology drug presently in the clinic that hits that culprit directly, that disease driver. Naturally, that means IRAK4-L, with 4948 aimed at IRAK4-L. Therefore, although I anticipate other agents might also prove useful for this group, and I genuinely hope our industry produces many options that benefit these patients, my sense is that the principal drug most investigators are focused on is the one actually hitting the disease driver — ours.
Soumit Roy
analystUnderstood. Thanks a lot, and once more, congrats on advancing on all fronts.
Jim Dentzer
executiveThanks.
Jim Dentzer
executiveHello, Yale.
Yale Jen
analystHello. Morning to you, and afternoon as well. I appreciate you fielding my question, and congratulations on how quickly this has moved forward. It's better than what we anticipated. So I have a couple of brief questions. To start, since you're aiming to put out the 4948 data at a certain point, is ASH the place you'd consider?
Jim Dentzer
executiveYes, that's an excellent question. Broadly speaking, when it comes to putting out data, our preference would be to do so at a medical conference. So once the data reach a level of maturity that makes them worth sharing, we would naturally seek out the following suitable medical conference for that to take place, and if the timing lines up, wonderful. If it doesn't, then what we've done before, and might do again, is this: when data mature and no medical conference is coming up soon, we might simply put out top line information, and afterward follow it with a fuller presentation at a medical conference. Still, I'm fond of the notion of having our investigators, honestly, step onto the stage. And explain the data they've been working with, in front of their peers. That also gives us a chance for a more objective perspective, which I believe is always valuable. And honestly, since all three of the data sets we're examining, over the next five months, are all cutting-edge — these are all truly novel targets; these will be extremely exciting data sets — it's going to matter a great deal to have our investigators address that at a very detailed level. So my hope is that as these data mature a conference will be close by; but if not, look to a brief top line press release from us followed by that more detailed presentation.
Yale Jen
analystAll right. That's useful. Now regarding the two — first, when it comes to NHL, right now would you say DLBCL stands a better chance of becoming the main type of indication you might study moving forward, say in the combination trial, or do you still prefer a broad, catch-all kind of trial that casts the widest possible net?
Jim Dentzer
executiveThat's a fair question. I'll tackle it from two angles. To start, our preclinical findings, as I see them, indicate that both BTK inhibitors and IRAK4 — our IRAK4 inhibitor — are essentially aiming at NF-kappaB through indirect means, so across every indication, be it DLBCL, be it MZL, MCL, CLL. Wherever ibrutinib is prescribed these days, it works by indirectly hitting NF-kappaB; that's precisely what our drug aims to accomplish too. Therefore those identical indications, used as a monotherapy, are the ones we'd go after. You'd find a BTK in those same indications. Yet since this is a novel mechanism of action, we anticipated seeing this in the preclinical work. And we were quite happy to see it confirmed that way — the synergy truly exists; here we have two distinct mechanisms of action, two separate routes to reach NF-kappaB. With that in mind, our initial objective was — we've already laid out the scientific rationale for why this novel mechanism of action is sensible; we next built the preclinical data set backing the idea that this novel mechanism of action would be effective. We presented an initial data set last December, and within the coming five months we'll refresh that data set, with clinical data demonstrating the preclinical data stands up — that as a single agent this drug causes tumors to shrink. The next sensible move, once more drawing on our preclinical data, is that it tells us the combination performs even better; so our stance would be that we intend to go after both monotherapy and combo therapy in any indication where ibrutinib has approval. As a monotherapy, it would offer a choice. Should someone, for any reason, prefer an IRAK4 rather than a BTK, that possibility exists. We'd view the preclinical data as extremely persuasive regarding the combo therapy; so we'll push forward as fast and as forcefully as possible with running that clinical study to determine whether that preclinical data is as predictive as all the rest of the data has turned out to be. I hope that addresses your question. I hope that proved useful.
Yale Jen
analystThat's quite useful. Perhaps I could ask something that builds on it — if we consider where the DLBCL landscape stands right now, it seems a bit murky. Should the current data end up reading out the way we hope, might another indication serve as the lead focus for upcoming development, and would that make for a smoother route toward producing results?
Jim Dentzer
executiveYeah. Saying that at this point feels somewhat premature to me. You've put your finger on precisely the right question, though — among all the various indications open to us, whether approached as monotherapy or as combination therapy within the lymphoma space, which one will take priority, particularly when it comes to a regulatory strategy aimed at reaching approval in the shortest time possible? From where we sit, we're nearly done with that Phase 1 dose escalation study. Once we have those results, and once we've analyzed all the extra biomarker information we're gathering, the MYD88 data included, our aim will be to determine which indications show a clear benefit to patients from having this drug on hand; and every one of those we'll want to chase. Still, we will definitely want to put the indications where we believe our odds are best and quickest for regulatory approval at the front of the line. Whether that turns out to be DLBCL or some other indication in which ibrutinib is often used, it's too soon to say, but you're asking exactly the right thing. And we intend to answer that and speak about it openly once this data matures over the coming few months.
Yale Jen
analystAll right. That's quite useful. Perhaps a couple of additional fast questions. First, when it comes to AML and MDS — would the focus lean more toward AML, or are you going to observe both indications roughly equally, and right now regarding enrolling patients, and attempting to determine what kind of — what result will come from the present — those data on dose escalation at this stage?
Jim Dentzer
executiveAbsolutely. So my thinking is we would handle — I'll respond to this quickly, and after that I'll invite Bob to weigh in. So we are examining patients with AML as well as those with high-risk MDS. Naturally, for the AML group we aim to tackle the disease directly. And for high-risk MDS, our goal is ensuring these individuals don't carry disease that turns into AML, correct? We intend to serve both groups of patients, and our trial is available to enroll in either. Bob, would you care to weigh in?
Bob Martell
executiveRight, so as we discussed before, each of these has its own distinct way of being handled. For instance, we're aware that 4948 is capable of lowering engraftment in AML leukemic blasts. That finding came out from Amit Verma not long ago. Because of that, we expect direct effects on the AML patient group. On top of that, when it comes to MDS, particularly the high-risk form, the endpoints involved are not the same. One of them would be progression into frank leukemia, and another would be a decrease in the need for supportive care, like transfusions. So we view these as separate routes — we'll have to wait and see. Ideally, monotherapy might be enough in that setting. Yet we'll also be exploring combos with drugs that get used in each of those scenarios.
Yale Jen
analystAll right. Sounds good. Let me shift topics somewhat, over to CI-8993. You expect some data to be released near the end of this year, likely from the dose-escalation portion. So the main thing to watch for is safety, correct — meaning whether cytokine release syndrome occurs? And should that prove manageable, that alone would represent a significant early victory.
Jim Dentzer
executiveExactly right. So for this calendar year, safety will be the focus. Efficacy would come in the next calendar year. And as a reminder, this lead molecule has previously been tested in patients. Johnson & Johnson, or Janssen, their subsidiary, initially licensed the intellectual property from ImmuNext back in 2012. They went on to develop this antibody — it wasn't developed by Curis or ImmuNext. J&J developed it and brought it into the clinic. At very early subtherapeutic doses, they encountered CRS. At the time they anticipated, as do we, that you'd need exposure reaching roughly 0.5 to 2.0 mg per kg to achieve efficacy levels. That represented the therapeutic window. They never reached that window, since at both 0.15 and at 0.3 — and they only had a single patient at 0.3 — they encountered cytokine release syndrome. And I believe they were — in fairness to them, back then, during the early era of CAR-T, CRS was rather frightening. No guidelines existed for managing it. Those NCCN guidelines weren't even published until 2018. So I'd say the oncology community overall has gained substantial knowledge about managing CRS. And we feel quite confident that with co-administered therapies — steroids, tocilizumab — and in fact some of the extra work done at Dartmouth over the past five years, since they regained the rights, regarding how to adjust the regimen of this specific monoclonal antibody to help desensitize patients, all of that information, I believe, gives us considerable confidence that we'll reach the therapeutic window, though we still have to prove it. So I think this initial step is: we've assembled what I consider a very strong plan for managing CRS. We've leveraged the guidelines issued since Janssen abandoned the program. We've leveraged the knowledge developed at Dartmouth and frankly the broader oncology community's experience. We've reviewed that with the FDA. The FDA is now comfortable, as are we — they're optimistic that we'll be able to manage CRS effectively and reach that therapeutic window. But this calendar year is really — that's the goal. Let's get a few patients on drug. We know CRS should appear within the first few hours following treatment. By the time we reach year-end, we need to be able to state that several patients have received the drug, that the approach we've laid out for CRS management appears to be working, and that our confidence has grown that we can successfully escalate into the therapeutic window. Should we manage that, I believe we'll find ourselves in a highly exciting position between now and the close of the year.
Yale Jen
analystAll right, that's great. And perhaps I can fit in one more brief question for Bill. When I look at the operating expenses for the second quarter, they came in below the first quarter, and considering the guidance, should we expect that operating expenses during the latter half of this year are going to — rise somewhat more?
Bill Steinkrauss
executiveYes. Thank you, Yale. I appreciate you asking. Yes, so I think in terms of a trend, one thing worth keeping in mind, is that we had certain costs tied to the option and license agreement during Q1 that did not come back in Q2; and we're also beginning to observe a bit of the savings on costs as we start winding down some earlier trials tied to CA-170 and fimepinostat. But I think when it comes to guidance, I still believe that we will more or less stay consistent during the back half of the year. Even as we add these programs, we're building on top of our current infrastructure; so in terms of cash burn, I still think $7 million to $8 million each quarter, that range, is the right average. And clearly, certain quarters will be somewhat lower and certain quarters might be somewhat higher. But I still believe that's the right range for the remainder of the year.
Yale Jen
analystAll right. Many thanks once more, and congratulations on how quickly things have moved forward.
Bill Steinkrauss
executiveThanks.
Jim Dentzer
executiveI appreciate that.
Jim Dentzer
executiveThanks to the operator, and thanks to everyone for joining us on this call. I'd also like to express gratitude to the patients and families who keep taking part in our clinical trials, to the folks at Curis for the effort and dedication they bring, and to our partners at Aurigene and ImmuNext for standing behind us. We're eager to bring you another update before long. Operator?
Operator
operatorThis call is now finished. We appreciate your participation in today's presentation. You are free to disconnect at this time.
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