Curis, Inc. (CRIS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

February 24, 2022

NASDAQ US Health Care Biotechnology earnings 47 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Bill Steinkrauss

executive
#1

Thanks for joining us, and welcome to Curis' call covering the fourth quarter and year-end results. Before we get started, I'd ask that you visit the Investors Section on our site, www.curis.com, where you'll find our earnings release for the fourth quarter and full year 2021, along with the associated financial tables. I also want to remind you that forward-looking statements will be made on this call, and those are based on what we currently expect and believe. Such statements carry certain risks and uncertainties, and actual results could differ materially; please refer to our SEC filings for more detail. With me today are Jim Dentzer, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Bob Martell, who leads R&D. A question-and-answer period will also be held once the call concludes. At this point, I'll hand things over to Jim. Jim?

James Dentzer

executive
#2

Thank you, Bill. Hello everybody, and good afternoon. I'm delighted to have you join us for the Curis call covering the fourth quarter along with our year-end results. Here at Curis, our driving force is the mission of creating the next generation of transformative cancer therapies that deliver meaningful improvements and extensions to patients' lives. During the fourth quarter of 2021, we achieved substantial progress toward that objective. First off, we're happy to share that our novel IRAK4 inhibitor CA-4948 is getting a new generic name, emavusertib, and we're also bringing in "take aim" as our brand name for clinical trials going forward with emavusertib. The "taking them" branding was chosen so as to emphasize the targeted design of emavusertib, the first-in-class IRAK4 inhibitor in oncology. As a reminder, emavusertib is right now under evaluation in nine distinct patient populations spanning three clinical studies in AML, MDS, and B cell cancers. The initial study, "taking leukemia," is a Phase 1/2 trial featuring both monotherapy and combination arms for patients who have relapsed or refractory acute myeloid leukemia, or AML, along with high-risk myelodysplastic syndromes, or MDS. The second study, "taking lymphoma," is a Phase 1/2 combination trial with ibrutinib for patients who have relapsed or refractory NHL or other hematologic malignancies. The third study is the Phase 2 Lucas study, assessing emavusertib in patients who have lower risk MDS, and it is being led by Dr. Uwe Platzbecker from the University of Leipzig. In early January, we reported positive updated data from the "game leukemia" study in targeted patients who have relapsed refractory AML or MDS, where the disease is characterized by a spliceosome or FLT-3 mutation. That updated dataset backed up the findings we presented at EHA last year, showing further encouraging anticancer activity relative to standard of care therapies across a broader set of patient data. As of December, we had enrolled 49 patients on monotherapy, 13 of whom had genetically defined diseases — either spliceosome mutation or FLT-3 mutation — and were evaluable for efficacy. We intend to talk over data from this ongoing study with the FDA during the first half of this year, aiming to clarify the regulatory path for delivering this novel therapy to patients in critical need; we'll give an update on that discussion later in the year. In addition, enrollment is going well for the combination arm investigating emavusertib plus azacitidine for patients naive to HMA and MCF2 Surtab plus venetoclax for patients naive to venetoclax; we anticipate having initial data from these combinations during the second half of this year. I want to briefly mention the ongoing Phase 2 LUCAS IST for patients who have lower risk MDS, which is being led by Dr. Uwe Platzbecker, the Co-Chairman of the EHA Scientific Working Group on MDS. Showing safety and efficacy in low risk MDS might bring about a potential breakthrough in the MDS field. Although the current standard of care using EPO stimulating agents can work for patients with lower risk MDS who have low serum EPO, that effect is frequently transient. It isn't disease modifying, and it doesn't stop MDS from progressing to AML. We think emavusertib, which hits IRAK4 head-on, might offer a transformative, disease-modifying option, opening the door to treating these individuals at a far earlier point in their illness. Doctors are able to provide transfusions to leukemia sufferers, and they have medicines capable of spurring blood cell production. Here at Curis, what we're working on are drugs that might halt the cancer itself. During this initial period of clinical testing, the results we've generated have shown the capability to accomplish precisely that, even among individuals carrying a spliceosome mutation, for whom currently available treatments prove ineffective. Let's now turn to our program in B-cell cancer and the taking lymphoma trial. We kicked off the combo trial, assessing emavusertib alongside ibrutinib, during the prior year. This followed our observation of unambiguous efficacy from this novel single-agent therapy, along with evidence that such efficacy persisted across such a lengthy stretch of time for these profoundly ill individuals. The dose escalation segment of this trial should enroll roughly 18 subjects following a three plus three design, with emavusertib doses beginning at 200 and climbing to 300 milligrams BID. Whatever ibrutinib dosing suits the patient's particular NHL subtype will be used. We anticipate sharing initial findings from this trial during the opening half of this year. Shifting to our second clinical asset, our first-in-class monoclonal anti-VISTA antibody, CI-8993, a novel immune checkpoint inhibitor we're creating alongside ImmuNext to treat individuals with relapsed or refractory solid tumors; we were thrilled to share clinical results from our Phase 1 dose escalation trial of CI-8993 back in January, showing a promising safety profile and underlining CI-8993's potential to trigger several anticancer mechanisms. CI-8993 is a monoclonal antibody engineered to counteract VISTA-mediated immune suppression via myeloid and T-cell pathways. In our view, CI-8993 stands as the most advanced anti-VISTA antibody presently undergoing clinical development. And it could become a game-changing cancer therapy. VISTA's function might extend past that of other checkpoint inhibitors, since we think VISTA inhibition could see broad use across numerous tumor types, whether alone or paired with existing checkpoint inhibitors. Given where VISTA sits on a range of immune cells, going after it influences many cancer immune mechanisms, a number of which remain untouched by going after PD1, CTLA4, or other checkpoints. Our Phase 1 dose escalation trial has revealed thus far that CI-8993 possesses a safe and well-tolerated safety profile. At first, dosing began at 0.15 milligrams per kilogram, the top dose cleared in the Janssen study; we subsequently raised dosing to 0.3 milligrams per kilogram and, most recently, to 0.6 milligrams per kilogram. Our early safety data leave us encouraged, since they seem to show how effective the procedures we put in place to handle anticipated CRS effects have been. CI-8993's pharmacokinetic profile shows it can get past a PK sink effect and reach meaningful drug exposure. One instance of this is what we've seen with CI-8993, where there are obvious pharmacodynamic effects and early signals that the drug is turning on several anticancer mechanisms in the patients dosed so far; because of that, our view is that going after VISTA therapeutically with CI-8993 could become an important piece of the immuno-oncology toolkit. We're eager to provide additional data on this during the back half of 2022. To wrap up, 2021 has brought progress we're happy with, and we're looking ahead to even more in 2022. I'll now hand things over to Bill, who will walk through the financial results for the quarter. Bill.

Bill Steinkrauss

executive
#3

Thanks, Jim. Curis is still in a solid financial position. For the year that closed on December 31, 2021, Curis posted a net loss of $45.4 million, which works out to $0.50 per share on both a basic and diluted basis. That compares with a net loss of $29.9 million, or $0.61 per share on both a basic and diluted basis, in 2020. In the fourth quarter of 2021, Curis recorded a net loss of $13.6 million, or $0.15 per share, on both a basic and diluted basis. That compares with a net loss of $7.5 million, or $0.11 per share, on both a basic and diluted basis, for the same period in 2020. Revenues for the year ended December 31, 2021, came in at $10.6 million, versus $10.8 million for the same period in 2020. In both periods, revenues consisted mainly of royalty revenues recorded on Genentech and Roche's net sales of Erivedge. Revenues for the fourth quarters of 2021 and 2020 were $3.1 million and $3 million, respectively. Operating expenses for the year ended December 31, 2021, were $52.7 million, compared with $35.7 million for the same period in 2020. Operating expenses for the fourth quarter of 2021 were $15.7 million, compared with $9.3 million for the same period in 2020, and consisted of the following: Cost of royalty revenues, primarily amounts owed to third party university patent license holders in connection with Genentech and Roche's Erivedge net sales, were $0.5 million for the years ended December 2021 and 2020. Cost of royalty revenues were $0.2 million in 2021 and 2020. Research and development expenses were $34.9 million for the year ended December 31, 2021, compared with $23.1 million for the same period in 2020. Settlement expenses were $10.8 million for the fourth quarter of 2021, compared with $5.6 million for the same period in 2020; this increase was primarily attributable to increased clinical manufacturing costs for our programs, and higher personnel spending as a result of additional headcount. General and administrative expenses were $17.3 million for the year ended December 31, 2021, compared with $12.1 million for the same period in 2020. General and administrative expenses were $4.8 million for the fourth quarter of 2021, compared with $3.5 million for the same period in 2020. The increase in general and administrative expense was driven primarily by higher costs for stock based compensation, professional consulting services, personnel, and insurance as compared to the prior year; net other expense was $3.4 million for the year ended December 31, 2021, compared with $5 million for the same period in 2020. For the fourth quarter of 2021 and 2020, net other expense was $1.1 million and $1.2 million respectively. Net other expense primarily consisted of imputed interest expense related to royalty payments. As of December 31, 2021, Curis' cash, cash equivalents, and investments totaled $139.8 million and there were approximately $91.6 million shares of common stock outstanding. Curis anticipates that the cash, cash equivalents, and investments it currently holds ought to let it keep funding its planned operations all the way into 2024. Having said that, I'd like to begin the Q&A portion of the call. Operator?

Alethia Young

analyst
#4

Thank you, everyone. I appreciate you fielding my question, and congratulations on the headway you've achieved across the last 2 months. My first aim was to dig somewhat deeper and discuss your approach to designing these trials. Which elements truly matter, and which ones perhaps aren't workable? I realize you've already discussed this with the FDA, but how are you approaching the outlook — what shape are you giving it on that point? Then, regarding VISTA, do you believe you'll be able to possibly reach proof-of-concept by the point we arrive at the close of this year? Will you have moved beyond the safe and effective doses? Also, what's your thinking on keeping monotherapy going, or might there be a route to doing something — leaning more toward combining those?

James Dentzer

executive
#5

Alethia, thank you, and thanks for being with us too. Bob, you're the first — the ideal individual to discuss the trial design for 4948, and we can tackle the VISTA item in a moment.

Bob Martell

executive
#6

Okay, hi Alethia, I appreciate you asking that. Regarding the study's design, as we mentioned, we're separating it into two groups: high-risk MDS and AML. And as you're aware, at this point we feel the AML portion is pretty uncomplicated. Our goal is to pursue a very fast route to registration with the FDA, examining both at the same time. That might mean a single-arm trial evaluating surrogate markers such as CR and CRh. The FDA has validated those markers, and they're also used alongside how long the response lasts. A few medications have gained approval for this indication and AML, among them gets LiNiB and < >, each showing response rates within the low 20% range. So our view is that this represents a fairly workable strategy; plus, the population we're dealing with has traditionally been very hard to achieve these kinds of responses in. Even so, in the results we've shared up to now, we've shown truly quite durable CR and CRh, along with pretty strong impacts on blood counts for those patients in a highly difficult-to-treat group. And so I believe that's our primary emphasis for the AML clinical trial, and we'll be talking that over with the FDA shortly.

James Dentzer

executive
#7

Yes, thank you, Bob. Regarding that initial question — first of all, Alethia, does that address what you asked about how the CA-4948 trial is designed?

Alethia Young

analyst
#8

All right, that's useful. But is there a difference when it comes to MDS — what you might do there — compared with AML? Clearly, in AML I can recognize the unmet need described in the protocol and how we've moved ahead there. With MDS, though, how do you sort of approach designing a later-stage trial? Please share your thoughts on that.

James Dentzer

executive
#9

Yes, there certainly is —

Bob Martell

executive
#10

< >

James Dentzer

executive
#11

Go ahead, Bob.

Bob Martell

executive
#12

Right, so that represents yet another distinct group, even if past experience suggests outcomes tend to be poor in that setting. As you observed earlier with this group, we've recorded really potent anticancer effects. Take, for instance, the fact that blast counts returned to normal in 4 of 6 patients whose levels had been elevated at baseline — that's remarkable anticancer activity. One of them actually proceeded to receive a stem cell transplant, a treatment that holds the potential for a cure. So in that case, we must talk with the FDA about which type < > would work best for this group. Obviously, anticancer activity ranks among the endpoints we'll bring up; we'll also make sure to consider our combination trial, and as those trials emerge, that brings additional chances for clinical studies and further development in that area.

James Dentzer

executive
#13

Sure, if I were to sort of boil that down too and highlight a handful of those items, Alethia, what I'd say is that within AML, the endpoints the FDA will want to see are clear. As Bob mentioned, multiple drugs have examined CR to CRh rates as an endpoint. And in fact that wasn't only for accelerated approval — it was full approval based on those endpoints, so both emavusertib all achieved CR CRh rate. There appears to be wide consensus regarding which endpoints would be sensible; and wide consensus that our data look excellent on those endpoints relative to anything else employed in the relapsed refractory setting. In MDS, on those same two items, I'd say everyone appears quite at ease that our data look fantastic relative to whatever else is used. What isn't clear is what the endpoint will be. And that's the area where there's considerable debate. Of course, we receive many questions on that. Since the reality is that no drugs are approved in relapsed refractory MDS. Because nothing has worked, no drugs have been approved. It isn't clear how the FDA will land on that. So I believe the AML path is, naturally, far clearer. We simply have to go present that case to the FDA and make them comfortable that we're set to move to the pivotal design on this, but the endpoints are clear and our data look good on those endpoints; in MDS, our data look good certainly relative to chemo, which is used more than half the time in these patients. But the absence of clarity is purely due to the fact that no drugs are approved, so we will be breaking new ground with FDA regarding the primary endpoints in that study. Hopefully that's useful.

Alethia Young

analyst
#14

No, that is quite useful.

James Dentzer

executive
#15

All right. Excellent. Perhaps I will address the question you raised about VISTA.

Alethia Young

analyst
#16

Yeah.

James Dentzer

executive
#17

In 2021, the major box to tick involves saying we anticipated CRS adverse events — our trial was built around that expectation and around handling them well. We had to demonstrate, put simply, that we could accomplish what Janssen couldn't. Was clearing 0.15 mics per kg possible? Turns out it was — we did it — then 0.3 got cleared too, and at present we're giving 0.6 as a dose. On the safety front, that box has been ticked in a huge way during 2021. Come 2022, though, the aim shifts. Now the pursuit is efficacy. Which dose level produces the drug concentrations that cause tumors to shrink is something we can't yet pin down. Still, that's the target we're chasing. So our plan is, within monotherapy, to escalate doses and investigate, seeking the proper dose. We want to build on the promising pharmacodynamic results observed up to now, and ideally witness tumor shrinkage signs. Meanwhile, as you brought up, is combination therapy also on our minds? Yes, absolutely. We'll be advancing — stay tuned for more on that conversation — using a strategy in which, during 2022, both monotherapy and combination therapy get studied in the clinic.

Alethia Young

analyst
#18

I want to slip in one more quick item regarding low risk MDS. Where do things stand on that? I realize it was an investigated trial, but could you tell us what's happening? That trial seemed quite interesting.

James Dentzer

executive
#19

Absolutely. That is a genuinely interesting trial. Like I said during my remarks, since it's an IST, our visibility into it is fairly limited. What I expect is — Dr. Platzbecker, the European lead and MDS, serves as head of the EHA Working Group on MDS. That study involves 17 sites of his. So what I hope, and I'll call it a hope, obviously I can't make any promise, given that we aren't running it; still, my hope is that at some point this year we'll have data data from that study. But having a small molecule with our safety profile, that's disease modifying to use in that setting, is something that, obviously, not just we're excited about, but obviously Dr. Platzbecker and his team are very excited about as well; so we look forward to hopefully seeing results from that study later this year.

Alethia Young

analyst
#20

That's really useful, at minimum. I appreciate it a lot.

James Dentzer

executive
#21

Thanks. Alethia.

Ed White

analyst
#22

Good afternoon, and thank you for taking my questions. To dig a bit deeper into AML — as you mentioned, there is clarity around the endpoints. How should we think about the size of the study that will be required? And once you speak with the FDA, when could a rolling start begin — might that happen by the close of this year, or is it more likely a next-year event? Also, given what you now know about the pandemic, which we have been living with for two years, I would like to hear your perspective on what the involvement trans could look like and how quickly the trial could be enrolled. Thank you.

James Dentzer

executive
#23

All right. Perhaps I will have Bob address the size of the study. Bob first.

Bob Martell

executive
#24

Yes, absolutely. Once more, looking at what's happened historically — the research Jim and I brought up, where single-arm trials led to approval — gives us a benchmark. Every one of those studies had somewhere from 100 to 200 patients taking part. Because outcomes for this group are so poor, we might have gotten away with testing even fewer people, though for a study capable of securing approval, that range is likely where you'd land. What we want to accomplish — and this is something we'll bring up with the FDA too, regarding how many patients we enroll — is to consider possibly broadening the trials we're running right now. For those already in the trial, we'll gather whatever data matters in that context, and from there, potentially keep adding more participants, rather than launching a fresh study; so those represent a few paths we'd talk over with the FDA.

James Dentzer

executive
#25

Absolutely. I'd agree with Bob's point, and particularly when you consider the additional trials conducted over the years, keep in mind that after HMA in this context, survival is between two and six months. Specifically, following HMA, the median survival is 2.3 months. It was insane. Given the effectiveness we've observed thus far, even though it's a limited sample size, making it difficult to discuss statistical power for a trial, it appears sensible to suggest we'd fall within the range of similar trials that have pursued a pivotal design in AML. Whether we can launch in 2022 or 2023 will somewhat hinge on the design that the FDA<>. Naturally, our preference would be a single-arm trial. If that's the case, we're prepared to begin immediately. We've already been treating patients in single-arm fashion; obviously, we'd utilize that information and simply continue advancing with the current locations, enrolling from them, and incorporating additional ones. If, conversely, the FDA responds requesting a controlled trial, then you must develop that protocol. At that point, you're looking at more of a 2023 commencement. However, we're optimistic they'll adhere to precedent and opt for the single-arm approach; and then, regarding your final inquiry about how quickly it could accrue participants. We've been quite satisfied with the pace of accrual. I believe it stems from the regrettable reality that survival is bleak for these individuals. And the cause survival is so bleak is that no treatment is effective. The leading genetic driver of illness in AML and MDS. It's not similar to long expression. And I suspect part of why survival remains so bleak is that none of the available therapies target that driver for nine for eight. Well, emavusertib does; so we're hopeful that the enthusiasm we've witnessed among the researchers thus far will persist as we bring more locations into the pivotal trial. Does that answer your question, Ed?

Ed White

analyst
#26

Yes — thank you, Chairman. One final item, and it concerns those talks with the FDA: at this point, do you possess everything you need in order to have that conversation with the agency, or is something holding things up while you wait on additional data? Thanks.

James Dentzer

executive
#27

Nothing is holding things up. The study remains underway. Consequently, each passing day and week will bring additional data into our hands. As I see it, our schedule has not shifted. We anticipate holding a discussion with FDA during Q2. That is definitely what we intend to request. Whenever they choose to put it on the calendar is beyond our control, yet we are confident that by then we will have enough data available for that meeting, and we expect it to go well. Regarding how much data exists at any particular moment, though, the trial keeps running. So enrollment continues throughout this process, and should it be a single-arm study, since patients have been enrolling from the start, our hope is simply to keep putting those patients into the pivotal groups, which would let us reach the NDA timeline considerably sooner. Naturally, that is what we would hope for.

Ed White

analyst
#28

Excellent, I appreciate you answering my questions.

James Dentzer

executive
#29

Of course, Ed, thank you.

Yale Jen

analyst
#30

Good afternoon, and thank you for taking my questions. I'll begin with the first, or rather the earlier, question regarding the FDA meetings. As far as patients go, do you think — by the time you speak with the FDA, will you have enough MDS and AML patients, or how do you view that? My second question on that is, what ultimate total follow-up do you expect the FDA would need you to assess for duration of response? Would that be about 12 months, and would it apply to the current study or to future studies?

James Dentzer

executive
#31

Yes, I'll take the first one, and I'll have Bob speak to the second one regarding duration. Thanks for joining, Yale. On the count of patients for AML and MDS, honestly, in both situations the sample sizes are small. We released the data publicly during the first week of January. < > — regardless of how you look at it, our dataset will be small when we go speak with FDA. Are those enough patients for what FDA needs? We'll learn that once we have the discussion. We believe so. We believe the data are clear, and that the drug is active. It works as a single agent, and it works in a population where nothing else is effective. I think that's a strong fact pattern to bring to the FDA; now, will we have additional patients as time goes on? Certainly. That's precisely why we want to go talk with them. We believe this drug warrants a pivotal study. And we're ready to commit the resources to grow the patient numbers, so we can show whether or not this truly deserves approval. So that's the purpose of the discussion. Whether they draw a distinction in how many patients are needed for AML as opposed to MDS, that isn't clear. We'll learn that as time goes on. As I mentioned, answering Alethia's question, I think the points everyone agrees on are that there appears to be a very clear discussion for AML. The endpoint is clear. And it's clear that our data look very good on that endpoint relative to existing therapies. In MDS, everyone is enthusiastic about how our data look relative to existing therapy, but there isn't much clarity regarding the endpoint. And so I think those will be the main items to discuss with FDA. Bob, could you address the follow-up question about duration?

Bob Martell

executive
#32

I believe the question you're getting at is: once we've enrolled a certain number of patients, how much time has to pass before we can obtain the duration of response data that the FDA wants? Well, that really comes down to how many patients ultimately reach a particular endpoint. Frequently, in prior labels, the FDA has applied a set month-based window for this, seeking a specific patient count to move past that threshold or to record events like progression. So we'd follow those patients, and the overall number we enroll could in fact be big enough that we reach that milestone even earlier than 6 months after the final patient is enrolled. Our signal, along with the study's timing, will ultimately settle that.

Yale Jen

analyst
#33

All right, excellent. There's one additional item I'd like to ask about, and it concerns VISTA. You may be kicking off the efficacy trial at some point in the second half of this year. Is it that the two tumor types are viewed as cold tumors, and does that matter right now, or will you likely enroll regardless of tumor type?

Bob Martell

executive
#34

Yes, in fact we really do want to select for a patient group with favorable characteristics. There are particular tumors in which expression of this target tends to be fairly elevated. So when we talk with the physicians running our trials, we strongly urge them to think about enrolling individuals who present with those characteristics. Take mesothelioma patients, for instance — their expression of this is extraordinarily high. A number of gynecologic cancers also show extremely elevated expression of this, including ovarian cancer or uterine cancer. Certain non-small cell lung cancer cases and triple negative breast cancer cases likewise demonstrate a very high level of VISTA. You raised the hot versus cold question. In our preclinical models, it's true that some hot tumors respond quite well to this drug, yet we've also seen rather clear evidence that this antibody, and agents aimed at VISTA more broadly, can get past some of those obstacles. For instance, converting a cold tumor into a — reducing the threshold needed to activate the immune system; so in effect turning cold tumors into a hot tumor state.

Yale Jen

analyst
#35

Alright, fantastic. That's quite — my apologies, please continue.

James Dentzer

executive
#36

That shade of yellow is slightly off. Please go on, Bob.

Bob Martell

executive
#37

Absolutely, please continue.

James Dentzer

executive
#38

I'd like to expand on that a bit. In VISTA, to be honest, this is both the difficult aspect and the thrilling aspect of pursuing a target that's novel; we're aware that within the Cancer Genome Atlas, there are particular indications, as Bob noted, that correlate with elevated VISTA expression; they are unmistakably linked to high VISTA expression. Whether that's correlation or causation remains unknown to us. We are definitely attempting to select for those patients and every indication Bob brought up, and ideally we'll observe efficacy from monotherapy in those individuals, though we can't be certain; that will form part of the investigation. Is VISTA a target where reducing it through monotherapy alone is adequate in some indications, yet we also wish to go after a combination treatment? You've viewed our pre-clinical dataset, and it appears to be enormously synergistic alongside PD1 and CTLA4 for all the reasons found in the literature; it simply has never been tried in patients previously. I believe the notion that we are engaging the target and the target is producing an effect is indicated not only by the CRS symptoms we've observed, but additionally by the PD data we've released concerning patients; and I think as we raise drug concentration in monotherapy within targeted patient — within targeted indications and also in combination. We're hopeful that the findings we observed in the lab will appear in the clinic too, but that's — as I mentioned, that's part of what makes pursuing a new target that nobody has ever gone after before so enjoyable. So keep watching.

Yale Jen

analyst
#39

Thanks a lot and please enjoy.

James Dentzer

executive
#40

Thanks, Yale.

Danya Ben-Hail

analyst
#41

Hello; Danya here, speaking on behalf of Soumit Roy. We appreciate you fielding our questions, and congratulations on the recent announcements. My first question concerns the AML MDS study. Given the clinical hold placed on the < > drugs, do you anticipate any < > increase in uptake from AML MDS patients, particularly those with high-risk MDS?

James Dentzer

executive
#42

Certainly — in my view, the primary problem created by Magrolimab being put on hold is that, assuming everything else stays equal, every other company running a trial in AML and MDS has patients who need to end up somewhere. That means every other study out there stands to gain in terms of enrollment. If nothing else changes. The more significant consideration on our end, when a doctor is deciding which trial to enroll a patient in, is this: is it a study combining Magrolimab, or one combining emavusertib? Their concern is figuring out what serves the patient best. Obviously, Magrolimab has a considerably bigger data set behind it compared to emavusertib. However, in both cases patients were evaluated on monotherapy; and you might recall that the monotherapy results for Magrolimab were nowhere close to as favorable as those for emavusertib. In our discussions with physicians, the focus tends to be: if you're pairing a drug with Nizatidine, which one do you pick as the partner? And we believe we have a rather strong argument that the right choice in that situation is emavusertib, regardless of whether a clinical hold is in place. That said, if all else is equal, I believe this should benefit other drugs under investigation in this area, but for our company specifically, the fact that we have the sole drug in the clinic targeting the driver of the disease — or at minimum the most significant driver — is truly the more critical element.

Danya Ben-Hail

analyst
#43

That tracks. Now regarding the 8993, will you be gathering data according to < > status? Or should we expect < > to show up in the upcoming update? The expression levels?

James Dentzer

executive
#44

Yes. Bob, would you like to address that?

Bob Martell

executive
#45

Yes. We're gathering many different kinds of data from patients, and that includes baseline measurements. To be clear, though, we aren't choosing patients because they have elevated VISTA; even so, we will track it, and in the end we'll connect it with other markers too. As you noticed, with some of the information we shared back in January, we've got a fairly strong biologic and pharmacodynamic effort underway for that molecule. And our view is that this will give us an excellent window into VISTA overall as a target; and specifically, 8993 is a superb agent in that setting, since it delivers not just strong PK exposure, but even more significantly, patients are already showing truly striking pharmacodynamic effects that act directly on the anticancer mechanisms. So our pharmacodynamic and biologic profile for this drug, for the patients we treat, has us genuinely enthusiastic.

Danya Ben-Hail

analyst
#46

Great. I'm eager to hear the latest updates. Thanks.

James Dentzer

executive
#47

Thanks so much.

Dane Leone

analyst
#48

Hey everyone. I appreciate you answering my question. Could you share any insight into how you see the pace of patient accrual — ongoing accrual for 4948 — and what kind of visibility that gives you when it comes to setting expectations about clinical readouts for the cohort you're displacing this year? Also, when might we see the first data from the combo trials? And any thoughts once more on whether the clinical hold placed on magrolimab could speed up enrollment into combination studies involving < >, plus what your typical accrual rhythm looks like or how things have been trending so far. Thanks.

James Dentzer

executive
#49

Of course. Thanks Dane, and thanks for being on the call. Regarding my remarks about magrolimab and how its clinical hold affects the speed at which we enroll, I believe I addressed that a few minutes back. Like I mentioned, assuming everything else stays the same. That hold on the magrolimab trial ought to benefit us, along with anyone else looking to conduct a clinical study in AML and MDS. That said, the more significant consideration for us relative to magrolimab comes down to what serves the patient best, and when a clinician or investigator has two trials to select between for combining with azacitidine, which agent do they choose? Do you enroll them in the trial pairing it with magrolimab, or one pairing it with emavusertib, previously known as 4948? I believe we can build a compelling argument that you'd want to go with azacitidine plus emavusertib, given the single-agent activity we demonstrated compared to magrolimab, though with that said, I think you're correct. Assuming everything else stays the same, that clinical hold ought to work in our favor. We've witnessed genuinely encouraging uptake and accrual. You might recall we had two splice patients a year back, then three at EHA in June, and for the January uptake we reached 13; we're observing quite a striking increase in physicians locating these patients and wanting to enroll them in our trial. My hope is that we can sustain that level of enthusiasm, and that we'll be generating data we can share later this year across a wide range of areas. So we have monotherapy data for spliceosome patients in AML, spliceosome patients in MDS, FLT-3 patients in AML, combination therapy data with emavusertib and < >, and also emavusertib plus venetoclax. We have the IST underway in low risk or lower risk MDS, and we also have combination data with ibrutinib; so we have a wide range of clinical activity happening at the same time. And my hope is that we'll have a broad set of data across the board. And naturally my hope would be that it proves just as exciting in 2022 as it was in 2021.

Dane Leone

analyst
#50

As a quick follow-up on that point, could you confirm that when it comes to enrollment in the fan-in, those combination cohorts aren't made up of selected patients, correct? Meaning it's an all-comers population no matter what the mutational status is?

James Dentzer

executive
#51

Correct. So it is all-comers. Naturally, though, the goal on our side would be to reproduce what we saw preclinically — in the preclinical setting, we demonstrated outstanding synergy. Or at minimum an outstanding additive effect, meaning that for patients who, preclinically, were headed toward receiving azacitidine or venetoclax, or for that matter the doublet. Across all 3 of those scenarios, the results were markedly more persuasive once emavusertib was added. Whether that was venetoclax given as monotherapy, azacitidine given as monotherapy, or the doublet. What we're aiming to accomplish in the clinic is to reproduce that. We want to secure a combination with venetoclax, a combination with azacitidine, and after that, provided things go well, we would be eager to go after a triplet too.

Dane Leone

analyst
#52

Could you also share where things stand with the number of patients signed up for the combination arms?

James Dentzer

executive
#53

An update on that hasn't been provided so far, though it will be included in the update we plan to share later this year.

Dane Leone

analyst
#54

Okay. All right. Thanks.

James Dentzer

executive
#55

Thank you.

James Dentzer

executive
#56

Thanks, Gary, and thanks to all of you for joining us on today's call. As we always do, we want to express our gratitude to the patients and families taking part in our clinical trials, to the Curis team for their dedication and effort, and to our collaborators at Aurigene, ImmuNext, and the NCI for their continued assistance and backing. We're eager to share another update with you before long. Operator?

Operator

operator
#57

That brings this call to a close. We appreciate your joining us for today's presentation. You're free to disconnect at this point.

Read the full transcript via the API

You're viewing the first half of this call. Get the complete Curis, Inc. transcript — plus 133,000+ transcripts from 7,000+ companies, speaker segments, AI summaries and full-text search — through the EarningsCalls.dev API.

Get the API View API docs →

This call discussed

For developers and AI pipelines

Programmatic access to Curis, Inc. earnings transcripts and 133,000+ others is available through the EarningsCalls.dev REST API. Plans from $39.99/month — full transcripts, speaker segments, full-text search, and the recently-added /api/v1/transcripts/recent polling endpoint for ETL pipelines.

More tools for stock research

OptionsBell: an unusual options activity scanner that tracks options flow across all US stocks and emails you when large trades appear in Curis, Inc. or any ticker on your watchlist.

StockMarketScan: a stock screener with alerts: 24 pre-built screens refreshed every 5 minutes, watchlists and email notifications. Both offer API and MCP access and fair monthly pricing.