Curis, Inc. (CRIS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
May 4, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Diantha Duvall
executiveThanks for joining us, and welcome to the Curis business update call for the first quarter of 2023. Before we get started, I'd ask each of you to visit the Investors area of our site, @www.curis.com, where you can locate our fourth quarter 2023 business update release along with the related financial tables. I also want to remind all of you that forward-looking statements will be made on this call, and those are grounded in what we currently expect and believe. Such statements carry certain risks and uncertainties, and actual results could differ materially. For more information, please refer to our SEC filings. With me on today's call are Jim Dentzer, our President and Chief Executive Officer; Bob Martell, Chief Scientific Officer; and Jonathan Zung, who has just been appointed as our Chief Development officer. A question-and-answer period will also be available at the end of the call. At this point, I'd like to hand the call over to Jim.
James Dentzer
executiveThanks, Diantha. Hello, everyone, and good afternoon. It's great to have you join us for Curis' First Quarter Business Update Call. During the quarter that just ended, we achieved meaningful advancement with emavusertib, our lead clinical candidate. In our March update, we noted that we had finished enrolling the extra patients the FDA asked for, and we did so earlier than planned. We think this reflects both the obvious unmet need in leukemia and the enthusiasm within the clinical community for this novel agent. This quarter, we are gathering and reviewing data from those patients, and we expect to talk about these data with the FDA during the third quarter. Our hope is that the data will be enough for the FDA to permit us to move forward with a Recommended Phase 2 Dose and advance into the expansion portion of our take aim leukemia study. Additionally, we are enrolling patients who have Primary Central Nervous System Lymphoma, or PCNSL, and giving them Emavusertib together with the BTK inhibitor ibrutinib as part of our TakeAim Leukemia study. In our view, combining emavusertib with ibrutinib could become a significant new treatment for PCNSL, an orphan patient population facing substantial unmet need. I'm happy to share as well that Curis' executive team is growing with Dr. Jonathan Zung joining us as Chief Development Officer. Dr. Zung bolsters our leadership as an industry figure who is highly regarded and brings extensive drug development expertise from both biotech and large pharma. In summary, the CURES team keeps achieving considerable headway in building up our lead clinical candidate, Emavusertib, which demonstrates both evident single agent activity and wide-ranging potential, as well as combination therapy as a possible foundational treatment in hematological malignancies. We anticipate reporting the outcome of our talks with the FDA in the coming quarter. With that, I'll hand the call back to Diantha so she can go over our financial results for the quarter. Diantha?
Diantha Duvall
executiveThanks, Jim. For Q1 2023, Curis posted a net loss of $11.6 million, equating to $0.12 per share, versus a net loss of $16.1 million, or $0.18 per share, during the comparable stretch of 2022. Revenue in the first quarter of 2023 came in at $2.3 million, compared with $2.1 million in the matching period of 2022. R&D expenses stood at $9.1 million during Q1 2023, versus $11.4 million in the equivalent quarter of 2022. That quarter-over-quarter drop in research and development spending stems mainly from the timing of manufacturing costs plus reduced employee-related costs tied to a smaller headcount. G&A expenses reached $4.8 million in Q1 2023, compared with $5.7 million during the same quarter of 2022. This decline in general and administrative costs came largely from lower employee-related expenses resulting from the headcount reduction. In Q1 2023, other income net was $0.1 million, versus other expense net of $1 million in the matching period of 2022. Other income expense net is composed chiefly of interest income, partly offset by costs associated with future royalty payments. As of March 30th, 2023, Curis' cash, cash equivalents, and investments came to $71.8 million, with roughly $96.6 million shares of common stock outstanding. We remain in a solid cash position and anticipate that our current cash, cash equivalents, and investments ought to let us sustain our planned operations into '25. Having said that, I'd like to hand the call over for questions, operator.
Li Watsek
analystHi there, good afternoon. I appreciate you taking our questions. Jim, I'm just wondering — regarding those nine more patients that were enrolled during Q1, can you tell whether the activity observed up to now is similar to what was seen at the higher 300 mcg dose? Also, do you intend to possibly reveal that data before the Q3 FDA meeting?
James Dentzer
executiveThank you so much for asking. Our plan is to hold the discussion with FDA first, and afterward we'll talk about the data more openly. Naturally, that's how the FDA would rather handle it. I believe that's the best response we can give right now. What I can share is something we've mentioned previously: we addressed every question from the FDA last year except one, which concerned the fact that we have two doses — 200 milligrams BID and 300 milligrams BID — and both appear safe, and both have produced responses. The unresolved matter with the FDA is which of those two doses is superior. From our perspective, the data available last year at this point appeared to suggest that both were good, both could produce responses, and both were safe. There appeared to be a modest preference for 300. Since then we've enrolled additional patients at 200 so we can perform a more thorough analysis comparing the two. My expectation is that once we bring these data to the FDA, they will review the dataset and reach the same conclusion we have — namely, that both doses are safe and both doses are effective. Should there be a preference for 300, that would mean the data aligned entirely with what we'd observed up to now. Should there be a preference for 200, that would mean the data at 200 look even stronger than they did previously. Either result is favorable, and I'm eager to walk you through how these data look once we've had that conversation with FDA.
Li Watsek
analystAll right. Perhaps one more thing…
James Dentzer
executiveThat was quite a lengthy response to what you asked. I hope it proves useful.
Li Watsek
analystYeah, absolutely. Perhaps a quick follow-up: when do you expect you'll be in a position to update us on the three, regarding the clinical hold, following the Q3 meeting — and for that same meeting, could you also talk about the registrational pathway with the FDA?
James Dentzer
executiveYeah, I think what we're planning at this point is that we're hoping that conversation with the FDA happens at the end of Q3; so naturally, once we have those answers, we'd share them as soon as we do, assuming we're proceeding. As far as what comes next, I believe we've been quite clear that in AML, the design — the precedent for that design — is pretty straightforward. We look at IDH1, IDH2, flip three, every one of those trials, those pivotal trials, were conducted using a single arm design, with CR — CRH as the primary endpoint, duration of response and survival as secondary endpoints. And our assumption would be that moving forward, the FDA will stay consistent with how they've acted previously and use a comparable design in MDS. That's a lengthier conversation; that cuts both ways. The reason it takes longer is that no precedent exists for treating relapsed refractory MDS, and that's exactly because no drugs have been approved. So the positive aspect, obviously, is that it's a wide open space. The less certain aspect is, obviously, that since it's a wide open space and since nothing has been approved, some dialogue with the FDA will be required. Just like getting off clinical hold, I'm looking forward to those discussions with the FDA. And obviously, the moment we're able, we'll be very eager to talk with you.
Yale Jen
analystGood afternoon, and I appreciate you taking my question. Thanks. The first thing I'd like to ask is this: regarding the patient you've already dosed at night, could you share anything about what those patients generally look like?
James Dentzer
executiveYeah, so until we've completed our conversation with the FDA, we plan to hold back on discussing baseline characteristics or any other observations. We won't attempt to get ahead of those FDA discussions. That said, here's what we can tell you: as you're already aware for this population, whether the case involves relapsed refractory AML or relapsed refractory MDS, every one of these patients faces an extremely poor outlook. According to the literature, median survival ranges somewhere between 2.3 and six months. It's simply a very grim prognosis. So it's reasonable to state that all the patients who have entered the study thus far, along with any we're likely to see from now until NDA submission, will be individuals who are unfortunately in quite difficult circumstances.
Yale Jen
analystGot it. I appreciate that, and I respect it too. Also, my follow-up here — you brought up the CCN test; could you give us some background? How would you get this started, what was the reasoning behind it, where does it stand right now, and what should we expect in 609 months? Thanks.
James Dentzer
executiveYeah. So the reasoning for moving into primary CNS lymphoma — I can kick things off, and then I'll have Bob join in. Broadly speaking, with lymphoma, you recall that we treat it in combination with ibrutinib. The rationale there is that B-cell lymphoma these days is managed really by down-regulating NF-κB activity. NF-κB, in turn, gets driven by two biologic pathways: the BCR pathway, which is where Btk lives, and the toll-like receptor pathway, which is where IRAK4 lives. What we found in our early scientific work, later corroborated in the lab and then, of course, in the clinic, is that if your goal is to down-regulate NF-κB activity in these patients, the best approach isn't to shut down one pathway or the other — it's to shut down both. That's the reasoning behind pursuing lymphoma broadly and primary CNS lymphoma specifically; this is a cancer type that's especially sensitive to the toll-like receptor side rather than the BCR side, and it's an orphan drug indication. So that ought to mean we can reach an answer fairly quickly that hopefully goes our way. Bob, I don't know whether you'd like to add any further color there.
Robert Martell
executiveRight, so I thought that was a solid explanation. Most patients with primary CNS lymphoma carry MYD88 mutations. And to build a bit on what Jim mentioned, this serves as a major driver of IRAK4 and in the end NF-κB activity. So the PCNSL disease itself appears to lean more heavily on the TLR pathway when it comes to what pushes the disease forward. Now, we've got some quite compelling data, and there's some good data out there in the literature, especially regarding CNS lymphoma. For instance, in preclinical models we see excellent exposure of emavusertib in these tumors, and it crosses the blood-brain barrier too. So that's a nice quality of emavusertib, actually achieving levels in these preclinical models that fall within therapeutic ranges. That has been shown not just for CNS lymphoma, but also, just as a side note, for melanoma; so we view this as a great space where few other drugs are approved or even used, and we see it as a great chance for us to capture it as a possible early indication.
Yale Jen
analystSo, when it comes to the next 6 to 9 months, what kind of expectation should there be — is that something that would happen following the FDA meetings, and with those sorts of happy endings?
James Dentzer
executiveYeah, I believe it's much too soon to discuss when those data will be available. What I'd say is that right now we're at the stage of collaborating with our sites to find the patients, get them onto drug, and after that we'll track them. You know, speaking generally, one reason a majority of investors have been paying attention to leukemia rather than lymphoma is that, you know, the unfortunate news for patients is that leukemia disease sets usually carry a far poorer prognosis. To be blunt, those patients don't live very long, whereas with lymphoma, the outcomes are somewhat more favorable. So in our view, if everything else is equal, we're probably going to have data sets on the leukemia side earlier than we'll get data sets on the lymphoma side, but we're pushing ahead quickly and aggressively on both at the same time.
Robert Martell
executiveLet me just build on something — I’m not sure whether our figures from last year are still in your memory. There was a single individual who had resistance to ibrutinib and stayed on that drug; this person had primary CNS lymphoma. They kept taking ibrutinib while emavusertib was introduced, and a complete response came about rapidly. So we’re genuinely thrilled about that, I’d say. To me, that represents a good proof of concept in patients.
Yale Jen
analystYes. This highlights the concept we mentioned—that NF-κB is truly fueling the illness, and what's fueling NF-κB in these individuals seems to be MYD88 acting via the toll-like receptor pathway, suggesting they ought to respond better when our drug is administered alongside; and, as Bob noted, that single patient was just one patient, yet it's clearly quite thrilling that it aligns with what one could articulate.
Robert Martell
executiveYes. And a solid demonstration that we're able to get past ibrutinib resistance.
Yale Jen
analystPrecisely. All right, wonderful; that's really positive, and once more, many thanks and good fortune with the agency meetings.
Laura Hillman
analystHi everyone, Laura here covering for Dane. Two things from me. First, what's the length of follow-up for the 200 milligram expansion cohort package being submitted to the FDA? And second, thinking back to the Venetoclax combo you disclosed at < > a year ago, will we get any additional follow-up data or a fuller, more robust picture of patient characteristics at some point during this year? Thanks.
James Dentzer
executiveAbsolutely. Let me take the first one first. Regarding follow-up time, I believe that's something you can infer from the guidance we provided on timing. Sites were opened in Q4; patients were enrolled in Q1, we're tracking them and receiving the data back in Q2. Then we file and talk through the data with FDA in Q3. So that's the short version of the timeline, essentially. On Venetoclax, you might recall that when the partial hold was placed on us, FDA instructed us to enroll only the monotherapy at 200 milligrams. So there isn't really additional information we can share regarding those combination patients. Though naturally, as you'd expect, as we anticipate the partial hold being lifted, we anticipate advancing not only monotherapy but also the combination therapy path. And we anticipate having those conversations with you as soon as we're able.
Robert Martell
executiveYes, and I might also mention something quite promising regarding Venetoclax. As you may remember from the data, it appeared to show some genuinely strong anti-cancer effects. A major mechanism by which leukemia becomes resistant to Venetoclax involves increased expression of other anti-apoptotic factors, for instance MCL1 and BCLXL. These factors have been demonstrated to be controlled via this very pathway. That is the reason we believe this medication, emavusertib, could potentially address Venetoclax resistance too.
James Dentzer
executiveThanks. And in keeping with our usual practice, we’re grateful to the patients and families who take part in our clinical trials, to the team at cures for their dedication and effort, and to our partners at AURIGENE, ImmuNext and the NCI, for their continued assistance and backing. We’re eager to bring you another update before long. Operator?
Operator
operatorThat brings this call to a close. Thanks once more for joining us. You're welcome to hang up now.
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