Curis, Inc. (CRIS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
November 14, 2024
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Diantha Duvall
executiveThanks for joining us, and welcome to the Curis business update call for the third quarter of 2024. First off, I'd ask that all of you head over to the Investors area on our site, www.curis.com, where you can locate the press release covering our third quarter 2024 business update along with the accompanying financial tables. I also want to note that on this call, forward-looking statements will be made, and those rest on what we currently expect and believe. Such statements carry specific risks and uncertainties, and what actually happens could look quite different. For more information, please check our SEC filings. With me today are Jim Dentzer, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Jonathan Zung, our Chief Development Officer; a question-and-answer session will also take place once the call concludes. At this point, I'll hand things over to Jim.
Jim Dentzer
executiveThanks, Diantha. Good morning to all, and I appreciate you joining Curis' call covering our third quarter business update. We'll begin by discussing our TakeAim Leukemia Study, in which emavusertib is being assessed alongside ibrutinib among relapsed/refractory PCNSL patients whose disease progressed following a BTK inhibitor. Typically, such individuals receive a methotrexate-based regimen as frontline therapy, incorporating chemo or radiation, and then get a BTK inhibitor once their disease advances. Once that salvage-line treatment stops working, these patients qualify for enrollment in our trial, where they receive emavusertib combined — pardon me — with ibrutinib. The rationale behind this pairing, backed by preclinical findings as well as our initial clinical results, holds that simultaneously blocking the two pathways that drive NHL — the TLR pathway via emavusertib and the BCR pathway via ibrutinib — may allow patients to attain an objective response despite having already progressed on ibrutinib. Back in September, during the third annual IRAK4 symposium in Cancer, we shared an update on our PCNSL data covering 10 evaluable patients. Those findings demonstrated 3 complete responses, or CRs, 1 unconfirmed complete response, or CRu, plus 2 partial responses, or PRs. Among the 4 patients who had a CR or CRU, 3 experienced a duration of response exceeding 6 months. This information remains quite preliminary, yet it is also encouraging, particularly considering the substantial unmet need within this population; we keep enrolling patients into this trial and are actively working with regulatory authorities to reach alignment regarding the registrational path. As a reminder, this trial is being conducted across the U.S., Europe and Israel. Needless to say, establishing the registrational route toward approval represents a crucial next step for emavusertib's development, and I'm happy with how things are progressing. Let's now shift to our TakeAim Leukemia Study, which is assessing emavusertib as a monotherapy among patients with relapsed/refractory AML. At ASCO and EHA earlier this year, we shared updated data on patients carrying a FLT3 mutation. Those results indicated that 6 of 11 evaluable patients reached an objective response, comprising 3 CRs, 1 CRh and 2 MLFS. Worth noting as well, 3 among those 11 patients had not previously received a FLT3 inhibitor. Each of those 3 patients attained an objective response, and 3 of the other 8 patients — the ones whose prior FLT3 inhibitor treatment had failed — also attained an objective response. At next month's ASH meeting, a broader data set covering 19 response-evaluable patients is scheduled to be presented by Dr. Eric Winer from Dana-Farber during an oral presentation on Monday, December 9. Additionally, we'll share updated data from our study involving high-risk MDS patients through a poster by lead author Dr. Guillermo Garcia-Manero from MD Anderson, presented on Sunday, December 8. All in all, I'm quite pleased with how things are advancing across both our TakeAim Leukemia and TakeAim Lymphoma studies, and I look forward to offering further updates as the year moves along. With that, I'll hand the call to Diantha or the financial update. I'll turn it over to Diantha.
Diantha Duvall
executiveThanks, Jim. For Q3 of 2024, Curis posted a net loss of $10.1 million, which works out to $1.70 per share, versus a net loss of $12.2 million, or $2.13 per share, during the same quarter in 2023. Over the 9 months that ended September 30, 2024, the net loss came to $33.8 million, or $5.77 per share, compared with $35.7 million, or $6.96 per share, in the equivalent stretch of 2023. R&D spending stood at $9.7 million in Q3 2024, down from $10.4 million a year earlier. That decline mostly reflected reduced consulting costs and employee-related expenses. For the 9 months concluded September 30, 2024, R&D expenses reached $29.6 million, essentially level with the $29.5 million recorded in the same period of 2023. G&A costs were $3.8 million during the third quarter of 2024, compared to $4.8 million in the corresponding quarter of 2023. This drop was chiefly driven by lower legal and employee-related costs. G&A expenses came in at $13.4 million across the 9 months ended September 30, 2024, against $13.8 million for the same span in 2023. During October, we closed a registered direct offering alongside a concurrent private placement of unregistered warrants, generating net proceeds of roughly $10.8 million. Once the October 2024 offerings are factored in, Curis' cash and cash equivalents reached $31.6 million, with approximately 8.5 million shares of common stock outstanding. Curis anticipates that its current cash and cash equivalents will fund its planned operations into mid-'25. With that said, I'd like to open the call up for questions. Operator?
Ed White
analystMorning. Appreciate you taking my questions.
Jim Dentzer
executiveMorning, Ed.
Ed White
analystMorning, Jim. You said you're trying to get on the same page with the FDA regarding PCNSL, which suggests you're not currently aligned. So what has to happen now to reach that alignment? And in your view, what would the optimal route to approval be?
Jim Dentzer
executiveSure. I wouldn't characterize us as misaligned at all, not by any means. I'd simply say we're in the middle of talks. Here's what we're seeing — and we've mentioned this before on calls, back in the early part of this year, when the first data started coming in for these patients — we found that results in salvage line therapy were, honestly, superior to what we'd anticipated and superior to second line. And despite the fact that this involved a limited number of patients, we felt compelled to go straight to the FDA and ask whether an accelerated pathway might be possible for this drug. As you know, the standard route to approval involves finishing a Phase I/II study, running all the reports, holding an end-of-phase meeting with FDA, and then discussing with the FDA what the registrational design should be. We figured that since there's such a serious unmet need — nothing is approved for this — and the salvage line data we're seeing look, honestly, outstanding, we might be able to move faster. So that's what we're discussing at the moment: can there be an accelerated approval path? And if there can, what would it involve? My hope is that, with those talks, we'll hopefully find ourselves in a position to have some clarity in Q1, though that remains to be seen. At this stage, I think we're just thrilled about the data, and we're happy that the FDA is working with us to figure out an accelerated or at minimum quicker pathway.
Ed White
analystThanks, Jim. Now, Diantha, this one might be for you. G&A, meaning general and administrative, dropped roughly $1 million compared to the prior quarter, while R&D declined by approximately $0.5 million. Given that you're moving further along in the clinic, what's the right way to view costs ahead — both for Q4 and for how spending will be paced across 2025? I realize it may be tough since you're still awaiting word from the FDA, but I was hoping to hear your preliminary take.
Diantha Duvall
executiveSure. I appreciate that, Ed. Our burn rate historically has sat in what you could describe as the $10 million to $12 million range. Earlier this year we made some adjustments to costs, which pushed that burn lower. Still, I'd anticipate that Curis's typical burn in 2025 likely remains near that $10 million — right at the $10 million level; manufacturing schedules will cause some fluctuation. That said, on the whole, I'd basically go with that $10 million figure.
Ed White
analystAll right, excellent. Appreciate you letting me ask a couple of things.
Jim Dentzer
executiveSure thing. Thank you, Ed.
Billal Jahangiri
analystGood morning. Someone raised a question about Emma's potential role in hrMDS, drawing on the abstract presented at ASH. The responses seen in spliceosome mutants are quite striking, and given all of your prior disclosures, that's not surprising at this point. Still, we want a clearer picture of the broader opportunity, especially in light of the specific gene signature effects you've reported. For example, what portion of the MDS population carries those mutations? Is it 10%, 15%, or something larger? Also, given that VERONA data are still pending, is it reasonable to pursue a doublet without ven in hrMDS — do HMA and MOA work together synergistically or additively enough to justify that approach?
Jim Dentzer
executiveYes, hello Bill, and thank you for joining and asking. That's a really good question. To begin with, I'd agree that MDS is something that hasn't gotten enough attention. We're quite enthusiastic about it and eagerly anticipating what's ahead. It's a tough group of patients, as you're aware. Before VERONA reports its findings, aza remains the standard treatment. However, after patients have been through that, there's essentially no remaining option for them. That makes the potential here truly outstanding. As you're aware, we've observed quite a few responses, with more marrow CRs than CRs. We're also noticing activity among patients who have FLT3 mutation, as well as those with splicing mutations. So right now, we're looking into whether different dosing schedules could work, and maybe pairing emavusertib with other drugs too. Like you mentioned, what that combo ends up being will depend heavily on what comes out of the VERONA readout. That said, I'd call this a conversation that's still taking shape. We can't wait for the data update Dr. Garcia-Manero will be sharing at ASH. With any luck, that sets up a genuinely thrilling conversation as we head into 2025. But yeah, thanks for keeping an eye on MDS — it doesn't get the same attention from everyone that it gets from us.
Billal Jahangiri
analystThanks.
Daniel Bronder
analystHey, everyone. Daniel Bronder here, filling in for Lee. We've got a question about the PCNSL trial and how the parts contribute. Do you figure the FDA could bring that up as an issue? And on top of that, is there any historical data on BTK responses you could draw on to answer that?
Jim Dentzer
executiveAbsolutely. Appreciate the question. Thanks for joining the call. All right, I'll take the first one to start, then move on to the second; the brief response is that our talks with FDA are a work in progress, so we'll need to wait and see what they say about it. That said, the trial's design is genuinely built to tackle that issue in an implicit way. We're enrolling patients right after they've progressed on a BTK; the reasoning being, if you've just progressed on a BTK inhibitor, giving that same inhibitor again ought to do nothing. The response rate should be zero, since you just progressed. So inherently, or perhaps more precisely by design, whatever benefit shows up is far more probable to stem from adding emavusertib, whether through its standalone activity or its synergistic impact, which we think — or at minimum our thesis holds — is potent alongside the BTK inhibitor. So on that first point, yes, we recognize the FDA will probably ask about it, and we'll discuss it with them and figure out how that factors into the registrational design. Meanwhile, we're gaining an advantage from how the ongoing study is structured, which inherently, or by design, brings out the comparative effect between the two agents. Now, regarding the second point, or the latter half of what you asked, it concerned BTK and how effective they are. Plenty of literature exists on this. The biggest clinical study published so far was the Carole Soussain < > trial of ibrutinib in PCNSL. And you might recall that in that trial, in second line, patients who hadn't previously had a BTK achieved a 19% CR rate along with a 52% ORR. So as I mentioned before, we're quite encouraged that our salvage line data beat that, and indeed they do. It's early days, admittedly. Still, we wouldn't have anticipated that in any disease, a drug being tested in the salvage line setting would do better than second line; but I'd say that's exactly why we, and why our clinicians, are so thrilled about what this regimen could offer.
Daniel Bronder
analystAll right. Thanks a lot. And maybe I could squeeze in one more thing, or a second question. We've been curious about this: when it comes to your various programs, how will you decide what gets priority — the PCNSL program against the AML and MDS programs as you go forward?
Jim Dentzer
executiveYes, that is a great question. So, when I describe all the high-class headaches that exist at Curis, I feel thankful that we find ourselves in a spot where the drug performs just as we'd anticipate across a variety of therapeutic areas. As you're aware, our studies cover primary CNS lymphoma. Our studies cover AML; our studies cover MDS; on top of that, 5 ISTs are underway in solid tumors, with readouts coming during the next 12 months. We face an embarrassment of investment opportunities and an embarrassment of riches; and possibly the toughest aspect of the job for the management team at Curis is working out how to prioritize those. I'd say, right now, since we're in discussions with FDA regarding primary CNS lymphoma and what that registrational path looks like, I think by definition, given the clear unmet need and the data that we're seeing, that's got to be a very high priority for us. Coincidentally, it's a very attractive commercial market as well. Beyond that, when we look at the remaining five NHL subtypes where BTKs come into play, we see a highly attractive opportunity. For AML and MDS, results are due to be presented shortly at ASH. Once we have those results, I think we should hold the same kind of conversation we're currently having regarding NHL — namely, what represents the optimal route to approval, and how should we bring the regulatory authorities into that conversation. Soon after that, we'll begin seeing data from solid tumors. That's an excellent question. At present, our top priority is primary CNS lymphoma, though figuring out how to rank all of these opportunities is definitely a costly headache for us.
Daniel Bronder
analystAll right, I really appreciate you letting me ask.
Jim Dentzer
executiveOf course. Thanks to you.
Sean McCutcheon
analystHey, everyone. Appreciate you fielding our questions. I've got a couple. To start, could you share where you currently stand on figuring out what's required for the data package in primary CNS lymphoma? Specifically, how many patients do you believe would make the safety database adequate for the planned combination moving forward with ibrutinib and Emma? Also, how many people have you dosed so far at or above that Emma dose level? Is 100 patients roughly the bar, based on what's been done before? Then, second, could you describe any difficulties you've run into with enrollment for the triplet study — whether that involves finding MRD-positive CR AML patients who are fit for it, or broader problems related to aza/ven and when patients receive those agents? Thanks.
Jim Dentzer
executiveThanks, Sean. Those are excellent questions. I'll begin with the primary CNS lymphoma one, then move to the triplet study. On the primary CNS lymphoma study, frankly, that's exactly why we're talking with FDA. As you're aware, for any drug moving through trials, the standard path is a Phase I/II, dose escalation, then once you have those results, you follow patients, lock the database, generate all the reports, meet with the FDA at an end-of-phase meeting, discuss the registrational design, and proceed to pivotal. Given what our data show, we felt it was — it made sense to talk with the FDA about whether they'd want to pursue a quicker path. We're thankful they were willing to take that call; discussions are ongoing now. In primary CNS lymphoma, precedent is limited, though we're aware of two trials currently underway involving a BTK inhibitor. Ibrutinib is the BTK inhibitor that serves as today's standard of care; meanwhile, Ono Pharmaceuticals has one called tirabrutinib, approved in Japan for primary CNS lymphoma and currently in a study seeking U.S. approval. We understand that study is second line, not salvage. Clearly, they're aiming to displace ibrutinib. They also have a frontline study combining tirabrutinib with methotrexate-based regimens. Their frontline study had an N of 75, or rather is an N of 75. The second-line study has an N of 45. Presumably, a salvage setting wouldn't require 45. The question there, naturally, is that from an efficacy standpoint our data might support that, yet we must keep in mind tirabrutinib's safety database is bigger purely because Japan has already approved it. Where the FDA ultimately lands is something I can't say with certainty, though it strikes us as sensible to propose that, should they permit accelerated approval, that path would involve a smaller trial, followed by a bigger one — possibly using an overall survival endpoint — as the confirmatory study. None of this is settled; it's all speculation right now. We have to wrap up these talks and learn how the agency views the idea. Still, with the precedent Ono has set regarding the size of their trials, a compact study seems fitting for an indication this ultra-rare. That consideration, naturally, factored into why we went with primary CNS lymphoma. Turning to the triplet study — you raised a particular point about its design. What aspect of that design did you want to ask about? The MRD...
Sean McCutcheon
analystYeah, so regarding a few of the difficulties you've encountered with enrollment and moving patients forward in that trial — is it simply the case that MRD-positive CR AML patients are hard to locate, or is the bigger problem finding people who got aza/ven as frontline treatment and are now on it for maintenance? Have physicians shown any unwillingness when it comes to putting another drug on top of aza/ven in that situation? And do you have any thoughts on what you'll do going forward to increase enrollment there?
Jim Dentzer
executiveYeah. No, I believe you've identified the key point. There's no unwillingness whatsoever, and it isn't a safety concern either. The real question is how to identify patients taking aza/ven who are in CR, remain MRD positive, and are stable enough to join our trial and receive the triplet. Right now, our main goal is to emphasize safety. The way to eventually locate every patient, naturally, is to begin at cycle 1, day 1 and capture them as soon as they receive a diagnosis, and to work with many sites. Currently we're only at a handful of sites. We're just trying to confirm that combining Emma, aza, and ven aza will be safe and well tolerated. As you're aware, aza and ven are somewhat complicated. Every site doses them differently. From anecdotal reports, 50% of patients who start aza/ven eventually must stop because of tolerability, not because of efficacy. Our priority is establishing that the Emma aza/ven combination can be tolerated. That's the reason we're targeting these patients. It shouldn't take much time. We only require a small group of patients, and we simply want to monitor them to confirm our understanding. After that, honestly, we'll dramatically accelerate the trial. We'll start at cycle 1, day 1 and add more sites. And once safety and tolerability have been demonstrated, well, I believe you'll see that physicians are extremely keen to find something that boosts the potency of that aza/ven regimen.
Sean McCutcheon
analystUnderstood. Thanks.
Jim Dentzer
executiveYou're welcome. I appreciate you dialing in.
Jim Dentzer
executiveThanks. I also want to express appreciation to each of you for being on today's call. And, as we do every time, we owe particular gratitude to the patients and families taking part in our clinical trials, to the Curis team for the effort and dedication they bring, and to our partners — above all at Aurigene, at the NCI, and throughout the academic community — for the collaboration and backing they continue to provide; we're eager to share another update with you before long. Operator?
Operator
operatorThanks for joining us; that wraps up the conference call for today. We appreciate everyone taking part. You're free to disconnect at this time.
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