Currency Exchange International, Corp. (CXI) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

September 10, 2020

Toronto Stock Exchange CA Financials Consumer Finance earnings 64 min

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Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Currency Exchange International Third Quarter ending July 31, 2020 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Bill Mitoulas. Thank you. Please go ahead.

Bill Mitoulas

executive
#2

Thank you, Stephanie, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Currency Exchange International conference call to discuss the financial results for the third quarter ending July 31, 2020. Before we begin, please let me remind you that during the course of this conference call, Currency Exchange International's management may make forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements are based on current expectations that are subject to risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from expectations. These risks are outlined in the Risk Factors section of our listing statement filed on SEDAR. Any forward-looking statements should be considered in light of these factors. Please also note that any outlook we present is as of today, and management does not undertake any obligation to revise any forward-looking statements in the future. With us on the call today are President and Chief Executive Officer, Randolph Pinna; along with our Chief Financial Officer, Stephen Fitzpatrick. Stephen will begin with a brief comment on the quarter's financial performance, followed by his latest perspective on the company's operations. Randolph will then comment on the bank performance, sales and business activities, after which we'll open it up for your questions. For those of you who may happen to leave our call before its conclusion, please be advised that this conference call is being recorded and archived on the Currency Exchange International Investor Relations website page. With that, I'll turn the call over to Stephen. Stephen, please go ahead.

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#3

Thanks, Bill, and good morning, everybody. Thank you for joining the call. So I'll give you a brief overview of the results for the most recently completed quarter, Q3 of 2020, as well as year-to-date for the first 9 months. So these results are presented in U.S. dollars, unless we indicate otherwise. And as we stated in the past, the currency exchange business is typically very seasonal, and it coincides with the peak spring and summer travel seasons in North America. So usually, the first and second quarters are the slower quarters and third and fourth are much stronger. However, this is anything but a typical year. And like many businesses, we have been significantly impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic. So with that said, I'll get into the Q3 performance. So revenue decreased 69% in Q3 2020 to $3.8 million from $12.4 million a year ago in the third quarter. This reflects the unprecedented decline in travel and tourism as a direct result of measures that were imposed by governments to contain the spread of the novel coronavirus. Our banknotes segment decreased by 73% or $8.6 million in what is traditionally the strongest quarter for CXI, as I said a minute ago. Entering the quarter, all of our retail branches were closed. And while the reopening process began in May, 13 were still closed as we exited the quarter at the end of July. In addition, many of CXI's banknote customers closed or significantly scaled back the operations -- their operations during the quarter. And as a result of this situation, management elected not to renew leases on several retail branches, and we consolidated several as well. So we've reduced our active locations to the low 40s from 46, and we're continuing to monitor the performance of branches that have reopened. And so far, so far, they are meeting or exceeding our rather conservative expectations. On a positive note, our payments segment continues to grow. While growth has slowed to 13% for the quarter over the prior year, this space has held up well despite a record contraction in economic activity in calendar Q2. The segment accounted for 18% of our total revenue in Q3, up from 5% in Q3 2019. CXI's wholly owned sub, Exchange Bank of Canada, successfully closed its first acquisition on July 29. We acquired a payments business located in Montréal for a total consideration of $4.7 million. This significantly expands our footprint in the Québec market and will enable growth in the future. Total operating expenses were $5.9 million in Q3 compared with $9.5 million in Q3 a year ago. However, making a comparison requires a normalization for the impact of the adoption of IFRS 16. So on a comparable basis, operating expenses in Q3 would have been $6.5 million, a reduction of $3 million from the prior year. This reflects the impact of lower postage and shipping costs by $1.3 million in our banknotes segment and because those costs are variable with revenue as well as cost reductions virtually across the board in the company. The most significant of those is in salaries and wages, which saw a decline of $1.1 million. Most of our retail staff were furloughed for at least a part of the quarter. And in addition, we've eliminated approximately 40 positions in the quarter. The company recorded $300,000 in rent abatements for branches that were closed by -- forced to close by our landlords. And lastly, and unsurprisingly, we had savings in the areas of travel and entertainment as well as losses and shortages for approximately $300,000 to round out the key drivers of the quarter -- quarter-over-quarter savings. It should be noted that we incurred approximately $200,000 in costs to complete the acquisition in Montréal. But legal and professional fees were flat over the prior year in spite of this because we have been assiduously working at reducing the use of advisers and consultants. Unfortunately, the reduction in operating expenses wasn't enough to offset the dramatic decline in revenue, so we had a net operating loss in the quarter of $2 million compared with a net operating profit of $2.9 million in Q3 last year. Fortunately, EBC qualified for $400,000 in nonrepayable government grants in the quarter to offset its wages, our salaries and wages. They've been reported in other income on our financial statements. Interest expense decreased by $100,000 from the prior year, primarily because management chose to draw down most of its operating line of credit early in the pandemic to provide maximum liquidity and ensure liquidity. The interest on lease liabilities, coupled with depreciation of right-of-use assets, totaled $500,000 and is a result of adopting IFRS 16. It's largely offset by a reduction in rent expense, such that, on a net basis, the impact is immaterial. While not that material, it is worth noting that stock-based compensation was higher than Q3 2019, primarily because of an option exchange program that was offered to directors and officers for certain options that were granted in fiscal 2016, '17 and '18. 241,463 options were canceled on July 31, resulting in a onetime charge of $100,000 for the unvested portion of the canceled options. Those options will be replaced at a ratio of 1 for every 8 that was surrendered, but not until at least 90 days have lapsed from July 31. The exercise price of any replacement options will be the fair market value of the shares at the date of the grant. The program -- this program particularly was designed to create room to issue options in the future, consistent with the company's goal and ensuring that management and directors balance a long-term and short-term focus in our decision-making. The net loss for the quarter ended July 31, 2020, was $2.3 million compared to net income of $1.8 million a year ago. It would have been $2 million. However, we chose not to record a $300,000 income tax benefit associated with current year losses in EBC. Those losses require taxable income to offset against in order for the benefit to be realized. But given the uncertainty in the current economic environment, we chose to defer recognition until we can demonstrate a significant probability of recovery. Management is confident that it can restore profitability and eventually realize the benefit of those tax losses being carried forward. On a basic and fully diluted basis translated into -- this translated into a loss of $0.35 per share in Q3 versus earnings of $0.28 a year ago. Now turning to year-to-date performance. Revenue for the 9 months ended July 31 was $20 million, $20.1 million, a decrease of 34% from the same period in the prior year. Strong growth in the first 4 months of fiscal 2020 has been overtaken by the record decline since the beginning of the pandemic in mid-March. Our core banknotes and retail business declined 38% in the first 9 months of fiscal 2020 compared to the prior year. Payments revenue, on the other hand, has increased 21% over prior year, achieving 12% share of revenue, up from 7% a year ago. It is a strategic objective for the company to reduce its concentration in the banknote segment and driving towards a more balanced revenue picture between payments and banknotes. Operating expenses in the 9 months ending July 31 were $23.2 million, a decrease of 11%. This includes -- these year-to-date results include an unusual loss of $1 million that was recorded in Q2 of this year and that I spoke of in our last conference call. I will reiterate that to have a bad debt is an anomaly for CXI. Our customer base is predominantly comprised of international institutions and money service businesses with whom our credit risk is low. Our risk is limited to bulk currency trades generally, with a settlement cycle of 24 to 48 hours. However, we did experience an isolated incident with one of our wholesale customers that filed for bankruptcy on April 29, without having settled an outstanding trade balance of $1 million. We have filed a claim, and there is a reasonable possibility we will recover a portion of that receivable. But because of the uncertainty, we chose to record a provision for the entire amount. Adjusted to remove the impact of IFRS 16 as well as the nonrecurring bad debt expense, the operating expenses were $23 million -- $22.7 million, I should say, on a normalized basis, representing a decrease of $2.3 million or 9%. $1.6 million of that relates to postage and shipping costs commensurate with the reduction in banknote volumes. Furloughs and terminations have been partially offset by growth of approximately 10% in our employment base at the beginning of the year, generating net savings in salaries of approximately $400,000 year-to-date. Despite the onetime costs incurred to complete the acquisition, legal and professional fees have decreased by $200,000 and rent expense has been favorably impacted by those rent abatements of $300,000 that I mentioned earlier. Travel and entertainment has decreased by almost $200,000 over last year as well. In contrast, there are a few areas where we have had increases, such as bank charges by $300,000, which is reflective of the growth in transaction volume in our payments segment. Also, software maintenance expense is up by nearly $200,000. That reflects additional tools that we've purchased in the past year to support business functions, including treasury, compliance, communication and collaboration as well as the platform acquired from eZforex on September 6 last year. We've also increased our investment in technology to safeguard data from cyber breaches. And lastly, stock-based compensation was up by $300,000 over the prior year due to the higher number of options granted at the end of last year and also related to the options exchange program I mentioned a few minutes ago. Net operating loss for the 9 months ended July 31 was $3.1 million compared with a profit of $4.3 million a year ago. When the impact of $400,000 in government grant income is taken into account, EBITDA is negative $2.7 million, a decline of $7 million from a year ago. Interest expense on a year-to-date basis was $200,000 higher this year because of the increased borrowing I mentioned earlier with respect to our liquidity management. Depreciation on right-of-use assets plus the interest expense on associated lease liabilities was $1.7 million in Q3 compared to $0 in the same period a year ago, and that's because of converting to -- adopting IFRS 16. Net loss before tax for the 9 months was $6 million and net loss after tax, $5.1 million, which compares to $3.1 million -- and a profit of $3.1 million and $2.2 million, respectively, after 9 months a year ago. This net loss would have been $5.3 million had we recorded that future income tax benefit on operating losses in the bank, as I explained earlier. On a per share basis, the loss for the 9 months ended July 31 was $0.79 per share on both a basic and fully diluted basis versus earnings of $0.34 per share in the prior year. Turning to our balance sheet briefly. We continue to remain solvent and well capitalized, with $61 million in equity at July 31, down from $66 million at year-end. Due to the impact of a net loss year-to-date, total assets were $96 million versus $83 million at last year-end, a 16% increase. Liquidity is strong as cash comprises 74% of our assets with $70 million in cash at July 31, up from $63 million at October. With almost $45 million in bank account, the company's liquidity position is very strong. Forward and option contract assets increased by $2 million from year-end as there were significant unrealized gains in the quarter due to fluctuations in foreign exchange rates. And in addition, $5 million of the increase in assets is attributable to the initial recognition of right-of-use assets under IFRS 16, partially offset by $3.5 million decrease in accounts receivable as there were fewer trades associated with our reduced volume. Total liabilities increased by approximately $18 million, mainly due to the increase -- or the drawdown on the line of credit as we drew it down at the beginning of the pandemic, as I mentioned earlier. The write-up of asset liabilities because of the adoption of IFRS 16 in the amount of $5.7 million is virtually offset by a reduction in accounts payable and accrued expenses, which has declined by $6 million. In conclusion, while the company has sufficient liquidity to meet its financial obligations for the foreseeable future, our biggest challenge is we're trying to reliably estimate duration and severity of this pandemic as well as its impact in future periods. We are taking a cautious view as to the economic recovery and as well as out of the travel and tourism sector as we develop a new 3-year plan. Our objective is to ensure the long-term sustainability of the organization and we believe that we can return to profitability. Once the acquisition's completed, we're optimistic that we are in a position to grow our payments segment going forward. We are also encouraged by the number of new wholesale customers that have sought out CXI since the announcement by a major competitor that is leading the North American marketplace. Growing our market share will help accelerate our return to profitability as the banknotes segment recovers. At this time, I'll turn it over to Randolph, who will expand on a number of those topics that I just spoke about in my concluding remarks. Randolph?

Randolph Pinna

executive
#4

Great. Thank you, Stephen, and thank everyone on the call for joining this morning. As I usually do, I'd like to talk about the bank. Exchange Bank of Canada, as you know, is a strategic asset of our group. The bank has enabled us to establish strategic banking relationships, which is being expanded. Both -- we have a great relationship with a customer that is also now one of our processors in Montréal. And also we are in the second phase, which is the final phase of our application process, so we can get direct access to U.S. dollars, both recycled and mint notes, which will support both our Canadian business as well as any international customers that we have or may take. That banknote business is not the only value of the bank. The Exchange Bank also with these strategic relationships is very focused on increasing its payments business. The closing on the acquisition definitely helps accelerate that, and we welcome the majority of that team that we kept. And it's been the integration that's been completely done. We had -- it took, I think, 20 days. It was very well managed, and it's been a great team addition to our operations in Québec. We do see payment growth, not only from the acquisition, but we've also centrally -- myself and the HR department have been very focused on increasing the sales team. We're focused on relationship banking. Since we are a specialist bank, we are seeking out corporations with international activities. And our focus will be to continue to add new customers every week to Exchange Bank of Canada that will be doing both payments and possibly banknotes as well. Our pipeline is very full at the bank, partly assisted by the exit of the world's largest nonbank foreign exchange business, did not close its doors completely, but it closed all of its operation in North America. Besides that, some of our existing customers for banknotes have realized that our payment capabilities at the bank are attractive. And we anticipate new growth in payments activity from some of our existing customers as well as the new customers that our sales team that we're building will be seeking. That's about it for the bank. Down in CXI -- or up in CXI, down south in CXI, we are seeing a lot of new business. Our pipeline is very full, and it's true right now, taking on customers that are doing banknotes don't -- doesn't mean a lot in the short term, but it will definitely help accelerate the return to profitability as the world slowly reopens. We added about 1,800 transacting locations already in this quarter, but we have a very full pipeline. And it's not all banknotes. A lot of these financial institutions are seeking check clearing processing as well as possibly payment activity as well. So not only are we receiving activity in America, but our expansion into the Caribbean with CXI has been very successful. Our pipeline is very full south of the border and in the islands as well. And we also are doing, as exchange bank, adding corporate customers doing international activities. Our retail business is the most challenged, as you can imagine, because the malls have been closed. Some like Hawaii or in California are still closed. We are renegotiating leases as they come up with lower rents and better operating hours. We are happy to see that we have a very conservative view on the return of banknote business. And using that as our baseline, we are seeing that activity is a little busier than that, with exotic currencies as well as some people just buying currencies because of future intended travel. The fact that we added our new product called Currency Price Protection, which is similar to some sort of insurance, but we do not guarantee the exact exchange rate. We basically agree for a fee to buy back currency at the spot price. So there is not a hedging obligation to the company to lock in their trades. It just means that when they trade back their currency, there's no gain or loss for us. And hence, for them, they've saved the fee should they end up having to cancel their trip because of the travel changes that frequently occur. Additionally, our online FX business is growing. We -- again, the world's largest currency exchange shut down what they called their travel wallet. And so there is a natural flow of people ordering currencies. Again, there's -- some of it is exotic currencies and some is just for regular transactions they may still need to do. But that business has been growing and continues to grow. And we see that online FX is a key piece of our retail strategy, which is a consumer direct. Our focus is to be able to have stores in the 12 major markets that we feel are core to our business, which, as you can imagine, Miami, L.A., New York, et cetera. We also want to have the ability to deliver currencies to anyone where we are licensed, which is currently about 21 different states. The fact that the competition has been reduced is helpful for our sales team and helpful for our pricing competition. And so we are looking at our business very wholesomely in terms of both having the right price, enhanced revenues as well as cost reduction. We do see, as Stephen told you, we have been unfortunately cutting cost, and we may have to continue a little bit more of that to ensure we are properly sized for 2021 to allow the businesses to get back to profitability. So with that being said, I'd like to open up the floor to questions. And Stephen and I will try answering that the best we can.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Robin Cornwell with Catalyst Research.

Robin Cornwell

analyst
#6

I hope you're both keeping well. It's a challenging time for you.

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#7

That's true.

Robin Cornwell

analyst
#8

My first question is really on your acquisition of EFT. The -- can you give us some idea of the potential marginal revenue increase? Sort of quarterly, I guess, the next quarter being the fourth quarter.

Randolph Pinna

executive
#9

Stephen?

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#10

Well, it's annual revenue is about $1.6 million.

Robin Cornwell

analyst
#11

That's U.S.?

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#12

No, that's Canadian. Sorry. That's I think about USD 1.1 million, USD 1.2 million. That's at the annual revenue.

Randolph Pinna

executive
#13

That business is expected to increase revenues because the business did not have the capabilities that Exchange Bank of Canada does. That was one of the attractions that the owner who has stayed on as leading our Montréal sales team right now. He's been very optimistic about the fact that we have better capabilities, especially with U.S. dollars. And so we're very pleased with how that business is blended into Exchange Bank.

Robin Cornwell

analyst
#14

Okay. Terrific. Now this question is kind of looking forward, but how many of the actual transacting locations that you have -- I mean, we're talking last year being almost 22,000 and you're adding to them. How many are actually not necessarily doing business but are open? Are most of these locations actually open for business?

Randolph Pinna

executive
#15

Well, we have 2 businesses that make up that number. As you know, being in Canada, a lot of locations are not. So I would say maybe half. I don't have an exact number. But as opposed to in the U.S., I would say 80% of the retail bank branches are open. It is true that some of our retail banks are choosing to close branches. This work-at-home phenomena that's occurred has made everyone realize and reevaluate their real estate needs. So we are seeing some contraction of transacting locations with some of our customers, but that is being actually offset by new financial institutions and transacting locations. And they're not all banks either, there's also MSBs and other types of customers that we are picking up. And so overall, I think, at the end of the year, we should be near where we were between the total, if that's what you were looking for.

Robin Cornwell

analyst
#16

Yes, yes. And so the closing of some of the competition, can you maybe give us a little bit more on how you're being approached? How many potential clients that are available? Just some idea of scope.

Randolph Pinna

executive
#17

Sure. So that business, if you're familiar, and out of respect, I'm not going to name them, but they were very heavy into airport operations. They did have a wholesale business. So they operated very similar to us that they operated retail in shopping malls and in airports with their primary retail presence. They also serviced financial institutions, a couple bigger ones and a lot of smaller to midsize ones, just like CXI does. And so those financial institutions are reaching out to us. In fact, several of those employees that lost their jobs have recommended us, which makes it a lot easier, obviously, when someone passes your name and number over. But we've picked up in probably in the last month or 2, even since this quarter, we probably picked up another 40 or 50 new customers. And so they're just reaching out to us. And then the airport operators have reached out as well. We are still sticking to our [ knitting ] and staying away from airports until they maybe recognize a revenue share relationship. It's the only way that we would be interested as opposed to their fixed rents and long hour requirements. But there's a couple of companies that were in partnership. Because if you're familiar with airports, there's a need in many cities to be a minority class business. And so the big company that's headquartered operationally in London partnered with minority MSB-type businesses. And then they together, as a joint venture, service some major airports like JFK, Los Angeles -- actually, not Los Angeles, San Francisco and several airport, big centers like that. And so those entities have already reached out to us, again, looking to establish that same partnership as they had with the other company. And so that is all work in progress. But I don't know if you've been through an airport or not. But right now, it's still very quiet. And so there's not a mad rush to get these stores open today. But you will see that CXI may take -- cherry-pick 1 or 2 while we're closing a few of our slower stores -- or not core, they're not in our core markets, the 12 major markets that we want to be in. We will probably cherry-pick 1 or 2 of their lead, what they would call their flagship stores, 1 in California and 1 in Florida. And so that's us approaching that location. I'm sure that's probably more detail than you wanted, but hopefully, that gave you the flavor of what you were looking for.

Robin Cornwell

analyst
#18

All right. That was excellent. So looking forward, and we all hope the businesses get back to some normalcy. And your -- you've drawn down on your bank lines, about 75% utilized. Looking forward, and the expectation that you get substantial new clients and new levels of activity, are your projected liquidity levels enough to support a lot of new growth?

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#19

Yes. Yes.

Randolph Pinna

executive
#20

Yes. Absolutely, absolutely. I think I may have highlighted in previous calls, we established with one of our European banks, what they provide is inventory on consignment to us. And that has restarted, so we have inventory. So should volumes, and that would a great problem to have, if volumes are so high that we were already, as you know, prior to the virus, overcapitalized. So we were ready for a big year in our first quarter of this year. We showed that we were on a path to have our best summer ever this summer if the world didn't shut down. So we have enough capital as is. But should volumes be even higher, we would be just requesting more inventory from the major wholesaler. We have several. That wholesale bank based in Europe has chosen to be smart and put their money where their mouth is and put it in our vaults. So we have money of theirs in all 3 vaults, L.A., Miami and the bank has it in Toronto. And so we would just increase that inventory on consignment from them and that would allow that. And so that is not an issue at all. And we probably have access to borrow more from the bank should we need it.

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#21

Yes. And just so you know, just Robin to add a little more context to that. We drew that down just because in periods like this in the past, markets 3 years and sometimes, you can't get access to your bank lines. And so we drew that down. But we've -- since the quarter end, we've actually repaid it in full. So we have plenty of room from a liquidity point of view to support growth.

Robin Cornwell

analyst
#22

Oh, could I just back up on that? So you said, since quarter end, you've repaid how much?

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#23

All of it. We're out of the line at the moment. And we still have...

Robin Cornwell

analyst
#24

So you have no lines drawn from BMO or...

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#25

None at the moment. BMO, yes.

Robin Cornwell

analyst
#26

BMO has?

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#27

Yes. Yes, we have.

Randolph Pinna

executive
#28

Yes. I support it, Stephen. Both Stephen and I have been through a crisis or 2 in the past. And with interest rates as low as they are, we both said that is an expense, that is a wise investment just to ensure that we have it. Now the banks and the markets are -- have calmed down and the banks are kind of reopened and we're confident that our line won't get frozen or pulled or anything like that. So we've decided now we're in a very focused -- cost-cutting focus. So we're focused on saving every penny we can and so we paid it back.

Robin Cornwell

analyst
#29

Okay. And that's the EBC line as well. I think it's $6 million. So both lines?

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#30

I think we might be a little bit into the back line in Canada. But in the U.S., we're completely out of it.

Operator

operator
#31

Your next question comes from the line of Peter Rabover with Artko Capital.

Peter Rabover;Artko Capital;Managing Director

analyst
#32

Well, I think the previous caller answered a lot of my questions, but I just wanted to get back to the cash question. So what -- sorry, what was the net like gross cash minus the lines of credit cash position this quarter?

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#33

Sorry, I'm not quite sure I'm following your question, but we had paid -- we paid down the line of credit, I think, in the U.S. have been drawn down to about $17.5 million or $18 million and that's been repaid. And the bank line and the bank in EBC has drawn to a very low amount, so -- and we are back. Part of the reason for doing that was that, as Randolph mentioned, we do have a relationship with an overseas bank to help us manage our inventories. They had shut down in March and that avenue was not available to us. But as it opened up and it has reopened, that creates liquidity opportunities for us so that we can manage our inventories efficiently and manage the inventories down. So the combination of that availability and having surplus cash on our balance sheet, as you saw, we had $70 million at the end of the quarter and about $45 million almost in our bank accounts. So in paying down the bank lines, we're just -- we talked to our bankers. We're really comfortable with where we are with them and they're comfortable with us. And so we were -- the combination of all of that is what led us to be paying down the bank.

Peter Rabover;Artko Capital;Managing Director

analyst
#34

Right, right. Sorry, that wasn't my question.

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#35

Okay. Sorry.

Peter Rabover;Artko Capital;Managing Director

analyst
#36

I appreciate you giving us the color. So my question was what the net cash position was, gross cash, which you said $71 million, less the bank. What's the amount outstanding on the bank lines right now?

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#37

On the bank lines, it's negligible, $0 in the U.S. And I don't have the exact number in Canada, but it's very low. It's very low.

Peter Rabover;Artko Capital;Managing Director

analyst
#38

Okay. So my next question is, out of that $71 million, how much would you say, including what you need to manage through the -- coming back to profitability, how much of that is excess cash? Like I guess, overcapitalized, where you can do something with it like stock buyback, an acquisition or something like that? So -- and how much do you need to run the business on a regular basis?

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#39

Well, I hate to say this, but the answer to that is that it depends. It does depend on how quickly things come back. Because if you were to look at us at the end of October, the ratio of bank account balances to inventory balances was really the opposite. It was 2/3 or more in inventory and quite a bit and around $10 million, $12 million in bank accounts. So our -- what we do is try and manage our liquidity so that we always have surplus cash to accommodate inventory bumps as we grow back. We don't typically maintain cash balances so that we could do a large acquisition. But the 2 that we've done, both of which from a cash outlay point of view, were in the $3 million to $4 million range. We pay for those out of cash. So on a normal basis, we would have $70 million in cash. But at quarter end would be about, call it, $12 million to $14 million in bank accounts and $50 million, $55 million to $60 million in inventories. So that normal sort of liquidity position, excess liquidity, if you want to call it that, would be around that $10 million to $12 million -- $12 million to $15 million number.

Peter Rabover;Artko Capital;Managing Director

analyst
#40

Okay. And I mean, I guess, like any thought as to what you would do with that given the low stock price or anything like that, I guess? And I think you mentioned you're doing -- drawing up a new 3-year plan. So look, just any color you can give us, I'd appreciate it. No worries if it's a competitive situation, too.

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#41

Well, we are -- our priority right now is to preserve cash so that we will ride out the storm. And if there are short-term opportunities where we can invest that in acquisitions or customer acquisition, then we'll do that. We'll deploy it that way. And we are building a 3-year plan. It's very cautious in the assumptions we're making about how quickly the banknote business will come back. Because even though the payments business is growing, our driver is still banknote at this point. And we foresee that, that will continue to be the case over the next 3 years, even though payments will continue to grow. So our focus right now is on maintaining a strong balance sheet, strong liquidity and positioning ourselves to ride it however long this pandemic is going to be affecting business. And you can look at people in the airline industry, in particular, you are talking about 3- and 4-year recovery periods and that's back to 2019 levels. And that's pretty much the way we're thinking as well. So that means being cautious and, from my point of view, being cautious and conservative in how we manage that liquidity position.

Peter Rabover;Artko Capital;Managing Director

analyst
#42

Okay. Fair enough, fair enough. I -- go ahead.

Randolph Pinna

executive
#43

Yes. And I've confirmed that we have the capital to execute on our updated 3-year strategic plan. Our plan is very focused. It is -- continues to add our core business of financial institution relationships as well as growing payments significantly on both sides of the border and we have the capital to do that. While we're not actively seeking an M&A opportunity, we -- our M&A policy has, Stephen and I are always keeping our eyes open. This pandemic has actually brought a lot of opportunities to the surface. However, as Stephen says, we are taking a conservative, cautious approach. And right now, cherry-picking is easier and a lot cheaper way to continue to grow out our network. And when the world does reopen, our network is going to be very well positioned. So when we get to 2019 levels, again, in a couple 3 years or whenever it takes, we will be having -- I won't say double, but we have probably another 50% of business opportunity and best network opportunities. And we think our net, so to speak, is going to be very wide to capture all that revenue as it comes back.

Peter Rabover;Artko Capital;Managing Director

analyst
#44

Great. And then maybe could you comment a little bit on the payments business? I know that's a relatively -- I guess, relative to the banknote business is pretty new and I know you've invested a lot in the past. So I'd be curious to hear about maybe an example or 2 of some of the wins and what you're seeing out there. And obviously, it's still -- it's a growing business through this recession. So something's going to be going well. So just any color you can give us would be great.

Randolph Pinna

executive
#45

Sure. So our payments, when we talk payments revenue, there's 2 revenue streams. So there's the international payments. And with that, most recently, this year, was added the ability to lock in exchange rates in the forward. So both forward and spot international payments is our core focus, but a very big driver has been the check processing. Another value of Exchange Bank of Canada is it has the ability to clear Canadian items digitally. Obviously, in the U.S., we've had that capability for a while. Canada has had it for a while. But cross-border, it's relatively new. And so we've been increasing check processing, not just Canadian items. Of course, we do clear all foreign checks. But the Canadian, as you would imagine, is the #1 check we get in the U.S. And so that has been growing as well. So a few wins. Again, we've got some -- out of respect to our agreements that we don't name names typically, but we've got some existing banks as customers for banknotes that have recently switched and now are doing checks and some of them are even doing wires with us. Exchange Bank of Canada has a very significant relationship with a banknote customer and it's a financial institution. And they, too, are -- have signed a contract to switch their international payments to Exchange Bank of Canada. And so this will help our revenues on both sides of the border. Additionally, we are investing, as I said, Khatuna, who's the Vice President of Human Resources and I are very focused on building out the sales team. We did add a Senior Vice President in Sales at Exchange Bank. We've cast a very wide net here centrally, and we've received a lot of resumes, and we're looking for qualified salespeople that are -- put their money where their mouth is, meaning they'll take a low base but a high commission. So if they bring in the revenue, they get a good cut and so they can make a lot of money. And of course, we get the bigger cut, so we will make a lot of money. So they're aligned with our revenue, our need to grow the revenues at the bank. And we're doing the same here in the States. But again, the States, there's over 3,000 or 4,000 financial institutions. We've probably got maybe 1,000 of them. We got a lot more to go. So -- and we have a very strong relationship as a leading foreign exchange processor for financial institutions, both banks and credit unions. And we -- in the States, that's our primary sales focus, but also corporate sales is as well. So is that the color you were looking for?

Peter Rabover;Artko Capital;Managing Director

analyst
#46

Yes, sure. I mean it's good that it sounds like there's a lot of opportunity and you're really focused on growing it. Okay. And then I think, in the past, somewhere, you guys have mentioned -- I'm not sure if the verbiage is right, becoming like a Class 1 entity in the United States where you can source currency from the government directly. That is -- that -- is it -- does it require a substantial amount of savings? So if you could give color on that, I'd appreciate it.

Randolph Pinna

executive
#47

Yes. Sure, sure. No, I did mention that as part of my EBC update. But yes, we are in the final phase. It's a lengthy process, but it's been moving quite well. They've been very good to work with and quite responsive. And we are in that final stage, which includes a third-party audit from a professional firm that can basically validate for the strategic bank relationship, that everything we've applied and said is real and that we are the bank we are. And so that's the final step. There's the contractual part where we sign up. And we're optimistic that, 4 to 6 months or so, we should have an account where we can source direct U.S. dollars either mint or recycled. There's a -- some banks that we would sell dollars to prefer crisp brand-new bills, that's what they call mint. And a lot of banks, because it's a little cheaper, are fine taking just recycled notes, which are just the usual dollars you would get out of an ATM machine.

Peter Rabover;Artko Capital;Managing Director

analyst
#48

And so like is there a...

Randolph Pinna

executive
#49

And the savings -- yes, so thank you. So the main point, I think, you want -- that we should all not forget, is that we currently pay 10 to 15 basis points to source U.S. dollars from the wholesale banks. By getting it direct, there's 0 basis points. It's part of -- that's their job, to distribute U.S. dollars. And so we will be able to eliminate. And again, in 2019 levels, I think we did over USD 1 billion out of the $5 billion we exchanged. USD 1 billion of that was U.S. And so if we can say 10 basis points on $1 billion, that's $1 million that we will be saving. Again, we won't be having as high U.S.-Canadian this year because the borders are still closed, which is very unfortunate. But as we return, our sourcing costs are $0 for the -- for getting those notes. And we also see opportunity to sell to some banks. Currently, like in Canada, the big Canadian banks don't use us for U.S. dollars. I mean we do have a couple of financial institutions that do, but the big 4 or 5 don't. And we would be able to compete in that market as well as possibly some other fattest country markets as well that would welcome another provider that can give them not only U.S. dollar, but we can also bulk sell Canadian dollars or euros and so forth. So it really expands our capability for revenue growth. And yes, as you were wanting me to point out, it saves us money on the existing flows. Thank you for reminding me.

Peter Rabover;Artko Capital;Managing Director

analyst
#50

Yes, yes. No worries. Last question, is there a good guidepost like macroeconomic data that you travel, that is a good forecaster for your retail business for your banknote business, like for travel to come back? Is it international air travel? Is it miles? Is it -- what are the -- some of the things that you guys look at to forecast your business?

Randolph Pinna

executive
#51

There's no question that the banknote business is highly dependent on international travel, so that as the borders reopen, then you would see our revenues continue to grow. Since America is not like Canada, where America hence having all these higher numbers of COVID cases, but they have -- there has been some travel. You can now go to Costa Rica. You can to the islands. And so it's slowly already coming back. So our retail stores, even since the quarter end, have been showing signs that they are keepers and that we should shut them all down. There are some -- we have some really good locations in core strategic markets. And they're, so far, doing well. And again, as we add product like this, the Currency Price Protection is very well received because people don't know if their Christmas trip is going to happen or not. But people are quite anxious to get back on planes and do -- go to the markets and be in the Christmas markets and all of that over in Europe like they do every year. And so adding new product to our retail mix also, like selling gold, has actually taken a big increase, as you saw the big spike in gold prices. We've -- we saw -- some also saw at our retail stores because we sell gold coins and bars, that's increased a bit. And so we look at travel as the main driver though.

Peter Rabover;Artko Capital;Managing Director

analyst
#52

Sorry. I really appreciate the color. Just more of is there a source of data that you track that correlate all?

Randolph Pinna

executive
#53

Yes. So our...

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#54

Sorry. Go ahead, Randolph.

Randolph Pinna

executive
#55

Go ahead, Stephen.

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#56

No, we do -- what we monitor is we had monitored IATA, which is International Air Travel Agency or Association (sic) [ International Air Transport Association ]. We monitor their publications, McKinsey -- actually I shouldn't be plugging an individual firm probably, but they do excellent research around this. And so we monitor their projections. And we're modeling our own business based on some of the things that they've put out there around executive expectations, industry expectations. I mean -- and Randolph's right though, that if you were to look at border lockdown, that's just looking at that. And both borders opening is certainly a precursor to people traveling. But we're -- but in terms of industry sources, that's ex third party. Those are the 2 primarily that we're looking at. We've looked at a couple of bank analyst reports, investment bank analyst reports in the U.S., too. So we're trying to draw on as many different sources as we can, but those would be the main ones, IATA and McKinsey. They talk about border or mix as a key measure, so...

Operator

operator
#57

Your next question is from the line of Jason Senensky with Chapter Twelve.

Jason Senensky;Chapter Twelve;Investor

attendee
#58

Just a quick question maybe for Stephen. I think, last quarter, you talked about the monthly burn rate being about $800,000. It looks like you came in under that for the quarter. Can you just update us on your thinking there?

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#59

Yes, yes. We're down to between $500,000 and $600,000, closer to the $500,000 number. And we're still working on it and it takes time. But we've dropped it quite a bit over the last quarter.

Jason Senensky;Chapter Twelve;Investor

attendee
#60

Okay. Does it feel like you'll be in a breakeven position into 2021?

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#61

Sorry. Overall, that would be in a breakeven? Or you mean cash-wise?

Jason Senensky;Chapter Twelve;Investor

attendee
#62

Cash-wise.

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#63

Cash-wise? I'm not sure we'll get to that, to be honest. But we are -- we're putting together plans that would get us there. Just like I've said earlier, so much depends on the assumptions -- sorry, it's not just the assumptions, but whether the reality lines up with the assumptions around revenue growth, particularly in banknotes, so -- but that would be our aim, yes.

Randolph Pinna

executive
#64

And it should be noted, I guess, as a shareholder, it's the group, but CXI is very likely to be in profitability in '21, if Exchange Bank does have a very high cost structure being a regulated financial institution. And that business is a business that we are very focused on growing and making profitable. But in '21, it's -- right now, it's bleeding quite badly because Toronto is just -- as it goes down, it's locked down. The borders are closed, and it's a more challenging environment at Exchange Bank of Canada. And we don't see Canada rebounding as quickly as the U.S. would in '21. But by '22, we're confident that both businesses will be contributing to us shareholders.

Jason Senensky;Chapter Twelve;Investor

attendee
#65

Okay. That's helpful. And then on the disclosure around the number of wholesale company relationships and transacting locations. So the number of wholesale company relationships looks like went up by over 500 quarter-over-quarter, while the number of transacting locations was down 50%. Can you just give some color on the wholesale company relationships? Is that the acquisition that's in there? Or why did that number go up so much?

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#66

The acquisition is in there, but it's also what Randolph was saying earlier, that we have continued -- we've been onboarding clients in -- in the U.S. largely, as a result of our competitor moving out of the market. And so we're, as he said, we're adding locations, we're adding client, adding wholesale relationships. And they're largely in banknotes at the moment, and so there isn't much activity yet. That's what it represents.

Jason Senensky;Chapter Twelve;Investor

attendee
#67

Okay. So the acquisition is, Stephen, I think like you said there's maybe 400, 400 there.

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#68

450, yes. 450, yes.

Jason Senensky;Chapter Twelve;Investor

attendee
#69

So should I assume that 450 of the, say, 550 increase was related to the acquisition?

Stephen Fitzpatrick

executive
#70

Yes. Yes, you're correct. Yes.

Randolph Pinna

executive
#71

Yes. We are adding new corporate relationships outside of that acquisition, but that the big bulk of that number was corporations that we acquired. But we did add another 100 locations -- relationships that were not part of the acquisition that are either financial institutions or other corporations that we've onboarded ourselves. I'll give you an example of expansion that's happening right now. Because the Mexican-U.S. border is loosely opening, it's not official, but there's a lot of more activity. We're seeing a lot of business out of Texas and California with Mexican pesos. And so if you recall that we did an announcement of our good customer, Duty Free America, we started with Phase 1, which was the Canadian borders. Those locations are still quiet. It's very little activity between U.S. and Canada. It's very tight restrictions up in Canada. Whereas down south, it's not. So we are in the process of adding their office in Laredo and their office in California on the border as the first piece of phase -- of this -- well, it used to be called Phase 3, but we've jumped. Phase 2 was the airports, but we've skipped over that for right now. And we are already adding locations. But that's one customer, but they have about 20 transacting locations potentially if we open them all on the southern border. And we are in the process right now in setting those locations up because there is some activity there. And our other customers in Texas have been trading pesos. And again, the European travel, which used to be our bread and butter of the banknote business, is still pretty tightly locked down, but we're anxiously waiting to see these borders open and at least our neighbors to the north and south can start coming and going like they used to.

Jason Senensky;Chapter Twelve;Investor

attendee
#72

Okay. That's great. Maybe just one final one for you, Randolph. I think you said earlier you talked about it'll take 3 to 4 years to get back to 2019 levels. But when the market gets back to 2019 levels, you'd hope to be doing something like 50% more in revenue because of the share gains that you've been able to effect. And I know this is a little bit speculative in kind of long term, but if we're thinking about that kind of revenue profile 3 to 4 years out, how should we be thinking about the margin -- the EBITDA margin profile for the business? Because obviously, there's been a quite an evolution there over time. But if we're thinking ahead to the market recovering to '19, your revenue is better because you got market share gains, how should we think about the EBITDA margin?

Randolph Pinna

executive
#73

Well, we -- over 3 years, you will see -- you'll see a reduction in operating costs because we are very focused on improving our efficiency. We are, for example, here, I'm at the head office in Orlando today, we had, pre COVID -- I mean we still have it. We had 3 offices. We have our main executive office on the third floor, and then we have a check processing and wire processing office on the first floor that's still open. And we had our IT suite, but the IT guys were amazing in getting our whole business digitalized. And one wouldn't even know that there's only 3 people in this office when there used to be 40. And so we put that suite up for sublease. And luckily, because we've got a great spot, there's actually some interest. And so we're going to be reducing our operating costs. Our rents and retail will be going down. Our rent at all of our offices will be going down over time. And then the eZforex acquisition, that proprietor stayed on, and -- but he's scheduled to retire in October of next year, in '21. And so that cost will go down. And so you will see us having -- again, assuming the world wakes back up and we do get back to those 2019 levels and again, 3 to 4 years, in my -- I'm more optimistic. And so I think that may be a bit pessimistic of a projection, but I agree with Stephen that we need to plan for the worst and, of course, not overcut. So it's a very tough balancing act. But we feel that our efficiency improvements, our automation we've invested, as you saw in some technology, as Stephen mentioned in his commentary, that will allow us to process more payments. As we grow our strategic banking relationships, we expect our banking fees to go down proportionately to the volume of payments we're doing. So you'll see a higher revenue because of pricing and all the market share and lower operating costs. So I would expect that EBITDA margin to definitely improve.

Operator

operator
#74

At this time, there are no additional questions. I'd like to turn it back over to management for closing remarks.

Randolph Pinna

executive
#75

Okay. I just want to thank everybody again for your time and for your support and understanding. We've all been sideswiped, as one director called it, by this pandemic. The main point is the business is sound. We have great customer relationships, we have great employee relationships and great bank relationships and we have money in the bank to weather the storm. And we appreciate your support. And as always, give me a call or Stephen or Bill, anytime if there's something that you forgot to ask. And if we can, we'll be happy to help you. Thank you again.

Operator

operator
#76

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect. Speakers, please hold the line.

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