Dangote Cement Plc (DANGCEM) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 5, 2026

NGSE NG Materials Construction Materials earnings 53 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Dangote Cement Half Year 2026 Investor Call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this event is being recorded. I will now hand the conference over to Michael Ani. Please go ahead, sir.

Michael Ani

executive
#2

Good afternoon. Welcome to today's call. My name is Michael Ani, Investor Relations, Dangote Cement. As you are aware, Dangote Cement recently released its half year 2026 financial results. On this call, we have our key management executives who are going to be providing the facts behind the figures of these results. Leading this conversation is our Group Managing Director, Mr. Arvind Pathak, who will be supported by our Group Chief Financial Officer, Dr. Gbenga Fapohunda. Before I invite the GMD for his opening remarks, I just want to say for those dialing via the HD phone, please ensure you are audible while those using the webcast just ensure that your questions are readable. Our key management executives are here present to take all questions. Dear GMD, I welcome you. Please, you have the floor.

Arvind Pathak

executive
#3

Thank you, Michael. Good afternoon, everyone. And once again, thank you to all of you for taking this time to join us today. It's my pleasure to welcome you to this conference call to discuss Dangote Cement's H1 2026 financial results. As most of you would be aware that Dangote Cement Plc is Sub-Saharan Africa's largest cement producer with operations in 11 countries spread across the continent as highlighted on Page 2 of our presentation. Our installed production capacity currently stands at 55 MTA following the commissioning of our 3 MTA grinding plant in Cote d'Ivoire in Q3 2025. The increased capacity further reinforces Dangote Cement's position as Africa's leading cement producer while creating additional opportunities to create -- to capture future demand and drive long-term shareholder value. On the capital markets front, Dangote Cement remains the most capitalized industrial goods company on the Nigerian Exchange Group, NGX, with a market capitalization of NGN 17.3 trillion based on the published data as of 31st July 2026. On Page 3, the International Monetary Fund projected regional growth to moderate slightly from 4.5% in 2025 to 4.3% in 2026, reflecting a more challenging global environment. Escalating geopolitical tensions, particularly in Middle East, have disrupted supply chains and driven a sharp rise in oil prices weighing on overall economic activity. On the same page, we also present a snapshot of Nigeria's macroeconomic landscape with key indicators pointing in the positive elevated inflation environment. The uptick in inflation was driven mainly by higher fuel prices linked to global oil market disruptions following the Middle East conflict. The resulting increase in fuel costs pushed up the transport and logistic expenses, further weighing on household purchasing power. The Central Bank of Nigeria adopted a more cautious stance in the second quarter, retaining the benchmark interest at 26.5% after initial cut in the first quarter to support liquidity and economic activity. Moving to Pages 4 and 5, we present an overview of the group's financial and operational performance for H1 2026. From a financial standpoint, the group delivered strong results -- strong set of results. Revenue grew by 21.4% to NGN 2.5 trillion, driven by robust contributions from both Nigeria and Pan-Africa where revenues increased by 25.3% -- 25.2% and 13.7%, respectively. Profitability also strengthened with group EBITDA rising 25.8% to NGN 1.2 trillion and EBITDA margin improving to 47.3%. This performance underscores the effectiveness of our cost management initiatives, particularly in Nigeria, where EBITDA margin expanded from 58.6% to 60.1 percentage. Consequently, profit after tax grew by a strong 22.7% to NGN 638.5 billion. Operationally, group volumes rebounded by 11.8% to 14.9 million tonnes, supported by improved sales across most of our markets despite prevailing headwinds. Export volumes from Nigeria increased significantly by 62.3%. Turning on to Page #6. We present a detailed overview of the group's financial position, cash flow performance and leverage metrics. In H1 2026, the group generated strong net cash flow from operations of NGN 1.1 trillion, while capital expenditures stood at NGN 354.2 billion, reflecting continued investment in expansion projects and operational efficiency initiatives. We also made significant progress in strengthening our balance sheet, transitioning from a net debt position of NGN 682.9 billion to a net cash balance of NGN 215.2 billion at the end of June 2026. This reflects robust cash generation, continued focus on maintaining a strong liquidity position while strengthening -- while further strengthening our balance sheet and financial flexibility. Coming to Page 7, we provide a detailed overview of our debt profile and liquidity position, including a time line of our key activities in the debt capital market with particular emphasis on our bond issuances and commercial paper program. We also highlight the strong credit ratings of Dangote Cement across multiple rating agencies, reflecting the solid fundamentals of the business and our robust capacity to meet short-term funding obligations. A key highlight across Pages 8 to 11 is the introduction of Dangote Cement decarbonization road map, which sets a clear target to reduce Scope 1 and Scope 2 CO2 emissions by 20% by 2030. As I conclude, let me turn to the business outlook, which is covered in Page 13 and 14 of the presentation. Dangote Cement operates within the broader framework of the Dangote Group's Vision 2030, an ambitious plan to achieve $100 billion in revenue by the end of the decade and to position the group among the world's top 100 companies. This vision reflects a clear ambition to demonstrate that Africa can build, produce and compete on a global scale. As one of the group's largest and the most profitable businesses, Dangote Cement plays a central role in delivering this vision. Our planned expansion to about 80 MTA capacity driven by continued investment in high-growth markets will significantly enhance our contribution to group earnings. This growth will generate substantial foreign exchange through exports and reinforce our track record of operational excellence across multiple African markets, supported by a stronger focus on customer-centric service delivery. In closing remarks, I would like to sincerely thank every one of you who joined us today. To our investors, your continued trust and support remain critical to our success. With a strong first half performance -- of the year, we are confident in delivering an even stronger performance in the periods ahead. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#4

[Operator Instructions] At this stage, there seems to be no questions on the conference. I will hand over to Michael for any questions on the webcast. Michael?

Michael Ani

executive
#5

Okay. Thank you, Danielle. I think the first question is from Patrick [ Atuanya ] and it reads, over 90% of Dangote Cement's operating profit is still gotten from Nigeria as at half year 2026. Has there been a misallocation of capital in investments made by the firm in its African operation? Would shareholders have been better served if those funds were returned to them. And the last one, he says, is this poor ROI for Africa depressing the valuation of Dangote Cement? I take that first question.

Arvind Pathak

executive
#6

Okay. Mr. Patrick, you are right. A large portion of our profit is coming from DCP Nigeria. But then if you just go back 2 years back or 3 years back when we had the massive currency correction. And at that time, the proportion of Pan-Africa was significantly higher from where we stand. So this is one advantage of the DCP's assets and is a natural hedging in some way against the foreign exchange fluctuations, et cetera, wherein if one market doesn't do well, there -- all probability that the other market will pull it up. So we are very judicious and some of the investments are always blended, not just looking at the current but also futuristic eye in the mind. And also the opportunities which exist across the various countries. So yes, we are mindful of our current strong position in Nigeria, where we have the profit coming from, but we also look ahead for the interest of our shareholders. So we are very focused on Africa, and we feel that the next growth center across all the market growth, a long way to go, and we are very well placed to capture that value. Thank you very much.

Gbenga Fapohunda

executive
#7

Okay. In addition to what the GMD has said, 2 things as well. The investment in Pan-Africa, so many countries have been fully paid in terms of [indiscernible] a lot of the investments we've had in Pan-Africa. The second part is in terms of recouping of dividend as well. Last year, we were able to recover about $150 million. And during the time when dollar was scarce, this $150 million, $100 million are coming annually have been very helpful in terms of addressing FX liquidity challenges, just to add to what GMD has said.

Michael Ani

executive
#8

So the next question also from Patrick [ Atuanya ], which reads that why is Dangote Cement spending so much money to expand capacity with capacity utilization around 61% for current plant?

Arvind Pathak

executive
#9

Okay. Gbenga, let me step into this. The difference between some of the cement companies, I would not like to name them, of the other continents, let's say, which are sort of developed countries. Basically, you're looking at them, which is having a very lower end single percentage growth, maybe 2%, 3%. And the size of the market and each of the country itself, except for barring a few. I'm not referring to India and China, there could be a different ballgame, are very small. So at one point of time, most of the operation capacities would have been existing for quite some time, and it takes them around 5 years to erect a new capacity. So that's why you see they would have matured and utilized. Unlike that, in India, China and now Africa is on the threshold of going into that hockey stick performance. There will always be a front ending of CapEx because we expect the growth to be much higher and which we have seen evidently -- so keeping that in mind, you will always find while the plant is in the initial stages, the capacity utilization will be low. And the second part of the factor you should also keep in mind, Africa is a large mass. And some of the cement because of so many countries, the cross-border movement may not be easy or within a country like Nigeria also is a big country. So you cannot take cement from north to south or south to, let's say, West, et cetera. So to be able to capture the growth of each of the regions, you have to position your plants in such a way. And when you position it, there are certain minimum size of plant that you put, it will take time to grow to that level. Third thing is in some of our countries, which are emerging markets, the fluctuations because the usage of cement is not mature to the industrial products like roads, bridges, infrastructure, which are ready mix, there are still hand mix concrete, et cetera. In that case, the difference between the peak period and the lower, which is the slightly dull period is quite huge. And if you have to service the customer the -- during the peak period as well as you have been doing in the lean period, the margin that you will keep in your capacity is much higher than what you see in the developed countries. If you add up all this, I think we are in a very sweet spot to capture any good opportunity. And our financial numbers, what you saw in Q1 or what you are seeing in Q2 is justifying the action that we have taken and the investment that we have done.

Michael Ani

executive
#10

Thank you, GMD. The next question is from [indiscernible] and it reads, it says, how is the Itori plant expansion being funded? What is the time line for completion? What were the factors behind the choice of that plant to be expanded? I think we should just take that question before I move to the next one.

Arvind Pathak

executive
#11

Okay. Let me just answer some part of it. On funding part, I'll request my colleague, Mr. Gbenga to chip it in. See during this period when we have this currency fluctuation, we [indiscernible] our strategy. And one of the central piece of our [indiscernible] strategy for the DCP was that we wanted to achieve a status Initially, we thought it would be great to achieve something which is called that ForEx neutrization. That means I meet my requirement of forex through my own generation. And whole lot of activities took under that. But as we progress on that part and we started seeing success, and we started realizing that we are almost very close to achieving ForEx neutralization. Then we embarked upon a journey that we should be surplus. And just to give you some numbers, we were taking from the market some $20 million, $22 million per month. Now we are almost generating a surplus of around $4 million to $5 million every month to meet our operational requirements. In this exercise, one of the central pieces played an important role and which -- if you have heard me and seen the numbers in the presentation is the growth story in export. We feel that when we went more deeper and deeper that we are the best operational company in Africa to be able to latch on and to benefit from the export market. We have the necessary infrastructure. We have the customers, we have the reach, we have the cost structure which would make it most effective to fill up the gap of around 20 million, 22 million tonnes of cement, which is imported into the southern part of Africa. And that is where our journey began and we started doing from our existing operations. As we are seeing, in that increased export, we don't want to be at the cost of the domestic export. So Itori is a totally 100% export-oriented unit. It comes with various desired initial benefits, and is going well. It has progressed well, and we expect it to be completed by the end of this year. And as far as funding, this is our normal funding Gbenga will tell you more. We have a mixture of supplier funding and our own funds and exact numbers and details, maybe Mr. Gbenga will share with you.

Gbenga Fapohunda

executive
#12

Yes, you are very correct, spot on. 2 main sources of funding the plant, which has been our business model for a long time, operating cash flow and supplier credits. Thank you.

Michael Ani

executive
#13

Thank you, for those response. The next question is from [indiscernible] and it reads. Can you please provide an update on the proposed listing in London?

Gbenga Fapohunda

executive
#14

Okay. Thank you. The only update we can provide on that is that the approval of the Board has been gotten. We would -- as things unfold, we would inform the market. Thank you.

Michael Ani

executive
#15

Thank you, sir. The next is from Abeeblahi Rufai, and it reads -- Abeeblahi Rufai from CardinalStone Securities, we saw haulage costs rise significantly in Q2 by 42%. Given the company's CNG rollout, how was the rise still that high, particularly given that production energy cost wasn't negatively impacted.

Gbenga Fapohunda

executive
#16

Okay. Thank you, Abeeblahi let me take the first shot. Okay. I'll take this question from 3 perspectives. So you saw there was an increase in haulage costs, mainly driven by 3 factors. The first one is volume increased by about 8% to 10% in Nigeria. Group-wide, it actually increased by about 12%. So if volume increases, haulage, which is technically transportation cost will go up in that quantum. That's the first leg. The second leg is, you mentioned 42% increase. AGO actually increased by about 70% increase. So huge impact from the savings from CNG actually reduced this cost. And the third part is the fact that not all our trucks are actually on CNG for now. But by next year, the road map is actually for over 98% of our trucks to be on full CNG. So it's a road map. We are almost there. Everything is on track, and we would -- we hope to get there without any glitch. Thank you. GMD, any addition to that, sir?

Arvind Pathak

executive
#17

Just one more keep in mind that we are doing exports. So export to the -- to some of these countries, when we export, do not have a CNG facility. They are in AGO-driven trucks. Altogether, which has this impact, but this is only because of this international increase in oil prices. And since our fuel that we use in our process is not AGO, it did not affect us to that extent.

Michael Ani

executive
#18

Thank you, sir. So the next question from Abhi is also on London listing, but he is actually asking, is it a primary listing and would it result in cash inflows to fund the expansion?

Unknown Executive

executive
#19

Okay. Basically, it is a secondary listing. It is not going to lead to cash flow injection...

Michael Ani

executive
#20

He also asked a follow-up question, and he said, what significantly changed in the Pan-African segment between Q1 and Q2? -- this segment swung from a loss of NGN 10 billion loss to NGN 13 billion profit. How much of it is FX impact? How much of it is FX impact or genuine improvement in operation?

Unknown Executive

executive
#21

A chunk of it is genuine improvement in operations. I will allow the GMD to actually throw more light on that. Go ahead, sir.

Arvind Pathak

executive
#22

Okay. I think Dr. Ben rightly captured it. we had a change in some of our strategies in the various countries. And after some not so good performance results in Q1 and mainly especially coming from Senegal, Ethiopia, which are our key performers in the earlier years, we rejig our again, thinking process, and they bounced back in the quarter 2. So primarily cement substance could be and all around most of the countries had an improved performance in Q2 as compared to Q1. So it's entirely because of operational performance.

Michael Ani

executive
#23

Thank you very much, sir. The next question is also from Rai and it reads, what is the outlook on cement pricing in the second half of 2026...

Arvind Pathak

executive
#24

Let me take this question. See we have always mentioned and I think in the previous calls also, price is a function of multiple factors. And most predominantly, it is on account of supply/demand. Then comes the question of affordability, the purchasing power, the country's economic macro condition, et cetera. Some of these countries -- some of these influences cannot be impacted by the company's desire or the wish. Every company would like to have as high price possible. So we really don't look at what should be our prices in the quarter. We focus more on our operational, logistic, meeting the customer needs, becoming the choice of the customer, where getting the brand equity, generating export, et cetera, et cetera. However, in general, we look for can we have an overall basis for an organization, at least the dollar parity. But that has got -- we do the efforts in that direction, primarily more of the external factors will go in the price. So at this stage, we don't see any difference coming in the subsequent quarters.

Michael Ani

executive
#25

Thank you very much, sir. The next question is from Tim Wilson and it reads good day, and congratulations on your results. Is it plant 12 million tonnes expansion included within the group's 80 million tonnes capacity target? Or is it in addition to that target? The next it reads -- Okay, I think we should take that first before I move to the other.

Arvind Pathak

executive
#26

The short answer is this 12 million ton is a part of 80 million tonnes. So when we talk about 55 million, it is the capacity which is operating today. Any project that we are working on, which enhances the capacity is a part of the 8 million and which includes this 12 MTPA...

Michael Ani

executive
#27

Thank you, sir. So the next question is also around Iti and it reads, what is the strategic rationale for the planned capacity expansion in Ituri? Given Nigeria's existing, what is the investment case for an additional 12 million tonnes and the cyca $800 million capital commitment? Is the expansion primarily driven by tax incentives and the similar incentives exist across all of your Pan-African markets?

Arvind Pathak

executive
#28

I wouldn't say it's purely a financial incentive as such. It is applied for all the exports which happen out of Nigeria. That is the earnings out of them do not attract is not primarily driven by that. It's driven by, as I earlier said in my -- one of the answers. It derives from our ForEx neutralization strategy, the results, the outcomes are very encouraging. And now we see that by this year, we should be in a position to be able to, let's say, export somewhere around 4 million tonnes or, let's say, 4 million to 5 million anywhere in between that of the quantity out of the country. And a plant to be erected, it takes at least 2 to 2.5 or let's say, 3 years to stabilize, et cetera. And by 2030, our vision is to have 8 million to 10 million tonnes of export. So if the export demand to be met, this additional capacity capability has to be built into the export-oriented plant. And the other plant, whatever surplus capacity or excess capacity we have will be taken care by the growth in the market, which happens every year.

Michael Ani

executive
#29

Thank you, sir. And the next question reads, for the market you are expanding into, are there any tax holidays or incentives that could support earnings?

Arvind Pathak

executive
#30

Each market in the Pan Africa has got a different sets of -- I would not say incentives, the promotional where we try to attract the investment in the country. Each one has a different mode of promoting putting capacity because putting cement plant has a lot of employment, opportunity, ancillary development, localization, et cetera, et cetera. So I would not be able to share what is there in each of our expansions. Individual countries will have its own incentive scheme, which are there on the website and is applicable to all, not only to our group.

Michael Ani

executive
#31

Thank you, sir. So the next question reads, with the entrance of HBM into the market, how has the competitive environment shift in Nigeria?

Arvind Pathak

executive
#32

Okay. Let me take this. As I said, there are various -- there was one competitor earlier as well. I would refrain from sort of taking names. It's only the change in the shareholdings. And back to the share of holdings in the original investor continues to be 42%. So basically, the restructuring, you can say, of the shareholder pat. And we do, in our strategy, assess the strengths and the ways of working in the different group and try to see whether we require any region into our own way of working. We do not take any of our competitors, whether it's this one that you are mentioning or any other one. They are to us a very responsible, healthy, all of them, and we respect that capability. So -- and we try to focus more on inward looking. We try to attain a position which we feel in terms of operational efficiency in our logistics, in our cost structure, in our way we do the environment, sustainability in every year of our working that we are the benchmark in the markets that we operate. And once we are there, then I think we are ready to take on any challenges that comes from any of our competitors. Thank you very much.

Michael Ani

executive
#33

Thank you, sir. Thank you, JD. The next question reads, what drove effective tax rates to spike in the first half of 2026...

Unknown Executive

executive
#34

Okay. Thank you very much for that question. I'll take it from 3 perspectives. The first one is we had higher profit. The second one is based on the new tax act, the tax rate actually increased. And the third part is we had a lot of increased deferred tax impact on our taxes.

Michael Ani

executive
#35

Thank you, sir. The next question is around Pan African operation and it read. Could you provide more color on the EBITDA margin decline in the Pan African business? And a follow-up reads, if Pan African volumes are up nearly 15. Why is Pan African EBITDA not growing at all? -- input cost inflation, FX driven cost pressure or disruptive price competition? I mean which countries is it concentrated?

Arvind Pathak

executive
#36

See, let me take this question, Dr. See, when we say Pan Africa, it's not one less Nigeria, let me start with Nigeria. Nigeria being a one country, the situations are different in the various parts of the market. Now when we are talking of Pan Africa, we are talking from Senegal to Tanzania or South Africa and -- each of these markets are different. They are not. So relatively, I would say Nigeria is a homogenous market. Others are heterogeneous market. And each of these capacities where we exist has its own headwinds, tailwinds, et cetera. So the result that we see is a cumulative of that. And also keep in mind, in Nigeria, we have all plants which are integrated unit. Whereas in Pan-Africa, we have something which is called as terminals, there are certain grinding units and some integrated -- and if you look at the whole cement industry, the economics that is the EBITDA, which is our key margin to assess the profitability is different from integrated unit to grinding unit to grinding unit to bulk terminal. All of them have got a different set of value that you add to the raw material. For example, when you have a bulk terminal, basically, you're just bringing a processed cement into the market. So the whole mix, so you should not look at it, but I can only tell you that if we segment them into the bucket type that is integrated unit, grinding unit, back terminal, each one of them in its own set is having an EBITDA margin which is comparable or higher than the international standard that we have for the -- so I wouldn't agree that they are not performing well. Maybe yes, compared to Nigeria, they would be there. But I think each country is its own barring for South Africa, where consistently, we have not done well. Except for that, most of the markets, except for in terms of the lean period, they are doing reasonably well, I would say.

Michael Ani

executive
#37

Thank you, JD. So the next question reads, Dangote Cement CNG program appears to be cushioning haulage cost inflation despite the sharp rise in diesel prices. Can management quantify savings currently being realized from the CNG adoption and indicate how much additional benefit investors should expect as more trucks are converted through the second half of 2026. The next question is, could you provide an update on the additional capacity plan by 2030? Should investors expect any commissioning milestone over the next 12 to 18 months? -- just pause with that question.

Arvind Pathak

executive
#38

Okay. Thank you very much. What started as in CNG conversion, that's what this project is called and popularly we have been calling in the meetings and various meetings on the investors. It has moved on from there. What we have done is we have tried to see how we can move this haulage to methods hauling our product from one end to another end from a thing which is more sustainable, which is far cheaper than AGO-driven trucks. It so happened that in Nigeria, it was the CNG, which came as the most attractive alternative. As you know, the haulage cost consists of various items, which is fuel cost, the tire cost, the spare, employee costs, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Predominant cost of that is the fuel cost. And when we compare the time when we entered the CNG business, we have found that the CNG cost and the fuel cost was slightly, let's say, 1/4 or 1/3 of the AGO cost. That is the implication it had. Now this gap has further increased. And for me to quantify per month saving is slightly difficult because it is evolving every day. I mean the trucks are flowing. We cannot just one shot bring 3,000 trucks and implement. As I speak also today, there may be around 200 trucks in the port, which we are trying to take it out. But our vision to move, especially in Nigeria to practically 98% of our trucks into CNG by 2027 is still valid, and we are on track. We have also identified many places where CNG is not available for CNG is available in, let's say, in Tanzania, wherein we have rolled out a similar program. We have also learned ways to handle where the distances are large, what infrastructure we can create so that we can manage that. And similarly, we have now also found areas where we can make electric vehicle work. We are also moving to our own transportation of our employees in the buses to electrical CNG buses, the mining machinery, the forklifts, the hydra, name one. Anything that we require, which is a 4-wheeler, 6-wheeler, 8-wheeler, it is always subject to scrutiny whether we will have something which is based on CNG and electric. So you will see that this journey will continue and it will at least continue to increase our savings till '27, where we do most of our program. Now coming of additional capacity, as of I can always say, yes, we have a well program. And up to '27, what we expect should be the one which is coming at, which you have declared. And there are also some 1 or 2 of them, I will not be able to tell the exact time line where we are doing a brownfield or some optimization measure, which will enhance the capacity, which is also part of -- thank you, Mr. Next one.

Michael Ani

executive
#39

The next question is around balance sheet and it reads on your balance sheet. We see you are now in a net cash position. Should we expect you to retain that position going forward?

Unknown Executive

executive
#40

Let me take that. Thank you for that. Yes, we're in a positive net cash position. But from a modeling perspective, because of the CapEx investment and other initiatives, cost saving initiatives we intend to have going forward, including expansion. From a modeling perspective, you can model between about 50% to 70% net debt-to-equity ratio.

Michael Ani

executive
#41

Thank you,. So we have the next question, which reads, what led to the sharp jump in taxes in first half versus first half of 2025?

Arvind Pathak

executive
#42

Answer. Yes. It has an answer basically retains higher profit, deferred tax and higher tax rate based on the new tax act, the Nigerian Tax Act at Okemo.

Michael Ani

executive
#43

So a follow-up question to that, what would be the guidance for full year 2026 and beyond regarding taxes?

Unknown Executive

executive
#44

We can actually maintain what we have in H1 for the rest of the year, which is in line, about 34% thereabouts.

Michael Ani

executive
#45

Thank you very much, sir. The next question reads, should we expect price increment in the second half of 2026. How competitive pricing across your Pan-African market? And to what extent do you have pricing power relative to local competitors?

Arvind Pathak

executive
#46

See, let me answer this question. I'll answer the latter part first. As I said in one of the reasons about price increase, et cetera, there are many macroeconomic external factors which really determine the price. But where we maintain a strategy which you asked in the second half, we are the price leader in all the countries that we operate. And we have a firm policy behind what should be the brand equity that we should get vis-a-vis our nearest competitor, which justifies our, let's say, our product, the supply, the cost to serve the market, the technical services that we provide to our customers and so forth. Having said that, on price, we do not have any guidance because we normally don't give any guidance. And -- but generally, I can tell you in quarter 3, normally, the prices are subdued because of the rainy season, which is every year, it is the same trend. Quarter 4, through the October month it starts rising back. Sometimes depending on the macro condition, it has been better than Q1, Q2, sometimes not so better than Q1, Q2. So this is what you can expect if at all, I can give you anything. But this is generally based on past trends. It has got no correlation that it would happen this year as well.

Michael Ani

executive
#47

Thank you, GMD. Thank you, sir. The next question reads -- for the new market entry, should we expect them to be true integrated plants or grinding plants?

Arvind Pathak

executive
#48

Let me take this question, Dr. M. It's a hybrid. Maybe not in this call but in our other investor meets, I have explained in detail our strategy. We have slightly -- when we are looking at the markets, we have started looking SSA as our complete market. So wherever -- in whichever country we feel there is a potential, there is an import of cement coming in, we would like the product made in Africa to be used there or produced there. And we are trying to see how we can serve that market the least. If that market can be served by having an integrated unit, if it has got a limestone of good quality, quantity, then we go for integrated unit. Wherever we feel it is not so, then we bring in clinker from any other country which can bring it the most optimally, thereby leveraging our assets or we bring in the cement. So I just cannot give one specific answer. It will be a hybrid, including greenfield, brownfield, grinding unit and bulk terminals. Idea is to serve the market the most efficient manner that we can do from our group.

Michael Ani

executive
#49

The next question -- thank you, JD. The next question reads, having just deleveraged aggressively, will the remaining 25 million tons of capacity expansion needed to hit 80 million tonnes by 2030 be funded through fresh debt, retained cash flow or both. And that we introduced leverage just eliminated, which markets outside Nigeria and Ethiopia are you expanding in via greenfield projects?

Arvind Pathak

executive
#50

Go ahead.

Unknown Executive

executive
#51

Okay. I'll take the first part, which is the funding part. In terms of funding the project, it will be from 3 main sources, mainly from our operating cash flow, secondly from supplier finance and thirdly to debt. So we don't intend to go to the high level debt levels we used to have before. So over to you, JD, for the second part.

Arvind Pathak

executive
#52

Okay. I think on the greenfield part, what you said, that was the one which you captured it rightly. But having said that, it doesn't mean that we are not exploring. And being a listed company when we explore and we see the technical visibility of limestone, there are certain countries where we're exploring. And we'll have to first to go to the Board, get approval inform the stock exchange. And certainly, I can announce it in this investor call. We will have to wait for some time, but there would be some.

Michael Ani

executive
#53

The next question reads, how much dollars was repatriated from African operations in 2025?

Unknown Executive

executive
#54

Okay. Thank you for that. In 2025, about $100 million was repatriated between $100 million and $120 million was repatriated from Pan Africa. And the year before, about $150 million.

Michael Ani

executive
#55

The next question reads, we saw current tax expense rise by 105% year-on-year. What drove this increase? And should we expect this as a sustainable run rate in the future?

Unknown Executive

executive
#56

I think we've answered the tax one. Let's go to the next one.

Michael Ani

executive
#57

The next question is around Pan Africa.

Unknown Executive

executive
#58

It has been answered about EBITDA margin for Pan Africa. Next one. I think we will just pause as there are no further questions on the webcast, just checking to see whether there are questions on the web.

Operator

operator
#59

At this stage, sir, there are still no questions on the conference call.

Michael Ani

executive
#60

I will invite to have his closing remarks.

Arvind Pathak

executive
#61

Thank you, everyone. Thank you for your keen interest and your questions do really make us sometimes think on further insights that we need to have in our operations. And it also expresses the market, how does it view our operation. So we value each of the questions and be assured they were the one which will also help us in shaping our strategy up to 80 million tonnes. Thank you once again. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your contribution. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#62

Thank you, sir. Ladies and gentlemen, that then concludes today's conference. Thank you for joining us. You may now disconnect your lines.

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