DICK'S Sporting Goods, Inc. (DKS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
January 15, 2024
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeOkay. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the Tuesday at NRF. Thank you all for joining us this morning, braving the weather to talk about the weather. All right. So we're going to have a bit of fun on this one, aren't we, here today? Well, I'll give them an opportunity to introduce themselves. I should introduce myself as well, Scott Bernhardt, President at Planalytics. Joining me is Josh Niebler, Senior Director, E-commerce Experience at DICK'S Sporting Goods; and Aaron Cano, SVP, Analytics and Marketing Operations for FreshDirect. So we're going to go ahead and get started and go through the obligatory on this one, right? We have to, oops, right? Lawyers, right, go through the appropriate slide. And then, Josh, I'm going to ask you to go ahead and introduce yourself, if you would, please.
Joshua Niebler
executiveSo thanks, Scott. So Josh Niebler. Like he said, I lead the e-commerce experience team for DICK'S Sporting Goods. It's a team of program managers across search, browse, attribution, a few programs centered around marketing channel performance optimization. And then the one that I'll probably talk a lot about today is leading our on-site personalization efforts.
Aaron Cano
attendeeSo Aaron Cano, so I head up the analytics team at FreshDirect, been there roughly 10 years. At FreshDirect, what that means is that anything dealing with customer data, me and my team gets involved in. So yes, a lot of it is marketing. That also drives around a lot of merchandising, plant production and transportation. Anything dealing with customer data to drive better decisions, we'll get involved in.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeGreat. Thank you both. Welcome. I'm glad you could be here. Braving the weather to get here. I love that. Okay. So today, just we're going to clear a couple of things, what we refer to as terms and definitions. We're going to be talking a lot about the weather's impact on these different businesses, what it means, what it's about, how to quantify. So there's a couple of just terms and definitions that is very helpful to know. So in our conversations, one of us sort of toss out a term like weather sensitivity, right, you know and understand that is the amount of movement, right, in the business for a product out of store, at online, what have you, but it's that movement possibility or how sensitive could the product rate. Could it be up the side, down the slope is weather sensitivity. Volatility is basically taking that sensitivity and translating that into the economic impact that it's going to mean, right, in a dollars and cents kind of perspective. And then one you're going to hear a lot is weather-driven demand or WDD. So if we say WDD a lot, WDD for this and any other thing, that's kind of the metric. That's the action point, something you can use, something your systems can use, something you can do about the weather, right? It's an old joke, but it's a good one, right? Everyone complains about the weather, right? Now it's time to do something about it. And that's really where the WDD comes in, right? It's that metric that allows you, understand either percentage or a unit lift or drag that the weather and only the weather causes to that intersection of product location and time. We all got that, right? Real easy. So we say WDD, everyone knows who were talking about it. That's fantastic. Okay. So with that out of the way, let's go ahead and get to -- oh, I forgot about the other one. What it means, right? This is kind of important. Talking about WDD is great, but it's really about that value return to the business and how best to use it, how best to action it, how best to, frankly, make money off the weather, right? So there's a lot of improvements for planning, from margin, right, markdown reduction, right, all sorts of opportunities within different retail environments, right, to frankly make money off the weather. And again, a key point to that is the integration. As you know, anything about Planalytics, we have a lot of integration partners and some of the key ones here up on the board and because we make it easy to action the weather. People don't typically want to learn yet another system, right? So if you can plug into an existing environment and just improve it, right, it goes a long way. So happy to talk to you about all of that as we go forth. We are in Booth 4156, right? Happy to have a longer discussion about all of these key points.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeAll right. So let's go ahead and begin. I'm going to start off with you, Aaron, right? I direct this question towards you. We're coming off the end of the holiday season. Here we are in the start of 2024. We're at the biggest retail show of the year, and all of those points. Anywhere you walk in the show, you hear a lot about artificial intelligence, machine learning, buzzword, buzzword. We get plenty of that, right? So -- but predictive analytics and the outputs, right, that we use similar to Planalytics, right, being AI, right? We're an output, an AI output. What does that mean for FreshDirect right? How do you expand on that? How do you expand on those predictive capabilities? Any action? What do you do about it?
Aaron Cano
attendeeA lot -- so at FreshDirect is very big on data and analytics. The technology today is much better than it was even just 2 years ago. When you think about AI, which to me is a very broad term, right? But you get down to machine learning in terms of automating a lot of processes, but more so about engaging the customer and making that experience and that shopping experience that much better. So as we go into 2024, for us, it's about that. What can we do to enhance that experience? Examples of our loyal customers, which is the most of our customers, shop every week, every other week, right? So why have them put stuff on the cart? Pre-populate the cart. Technology exists today. Put stuff in the cart that they already want. And then when you think about the supply chain, if -- as soon as that truck hits the bay with the salmon from Alaska, automatically, send out the marketing campaigns and the in-app messages, and you can use tools today to automate those things more efficiently than we did even 2 years ago. And they're much more accurate today in terms of the process. And then on the analytics side, it's make it more efficient to process in the supply chain as well as the forecasting. So the analysts can then spend their time doing more complicated things and let the machines do the more mundane processes on information. So for us, it's about automation and the customer experience.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeNo, it's important, right, to get that action and to make it happen. Make it happen. If you add or should I go on to next?
Joshua Niebler
executiveNo, we're really in the early stages and kind of figuring out what AI means for our organization.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeOkay. So I'm going to direct this next one to you, Josh, right? We'll start with you anyway, right? Most retailers understand the impact that -- understand that the weather impacts the business, right? And not all of them are measuring how much big today. It's big like today. You stole my joke, Aaron. I was going to -- like walking into the Javits Center this morning, right? There's a significant weather impact that happens, right? And they're a lot different for FreshDirect than for DICK'S Sporting Goods. What are the challenges from DICK'S Sporting Goods' perspective to address, right, that help with your partnership with Planalytics? How does that work?
Joshua Niebler
executiveYes. We work with Planalytics in a number of different ways across different parts of our organization. But what I'm really excited to talk about is what we're experimenting our way into right now, which is personalizing our online experience. We're very quickly trying to get from a one-size-fits-all website to one that's highly tailored based on everything we know about our customers, which is a lot. And we view weather relevancy as a big part of that strategy. So we're actually working with Planalytics right now in a test to use WDD to put different homepage creatives. So when somebody comes to dickssportinggoods.com, they see a very different message depending on the weather in their area. Obviously, this time of the year, really focused on outerwear, outerwear accessories, product categories like that. But really excited to see what this can do and just make our website more relevant at a local level.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeThat's great. Getting back to it today, right, hats, scarves.
Joshua Niebler
executiveShould be getting some results today. We'll see how it's going.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeAbsolutely. Absolutely. Aaron, what about from your perspective? It's a different business, right?
Aaron Cano
attendeeYes. I mean for the grocery business, the weather has a huge impact on how demand fluctuates, not only day to day, but also [ with their battery ] buying every day. So it can be like today, will be different. And what we're working with Planalytics on is early stages of the analytics in terms of if it snows for 2 inches versus 5 inches or it rains for 1 day versus 5 days a row, how does that really impact the demand? And who are those customers coming in? A lot of customers come in every day, but those new customers come in, what's the demand going to look like? Who are those infrequents? How often do they come back in? But also the media plays part of that. So 2 weeks ago, when it was all over the media, we're going to have a lot of rain and snow on Saturday and Sunday, more to the media, the more it impacts our business, right? So we had an increase of 20% on Thursday and Friday before the rain and somewhat snowed depending where you were in Westchester or Jersey. And it really is very different by geography, right? So Westchester different impact than Manhattan. But the more that we can predict 3, 4, 5 days out when that's going to happen, we can then adjust everything. So it's the supply chain in terms of how much do we bring in, but also what do we bring in, right? So like daily today, yes, it's going to be more booze, right? It's going to be more of the dairy and the milk and eggs kind of thing as well as some berries in. And there was a long period of time, it's the frozen food, right? So you can bring more of those things in first, but then it's about staffing because we know that a day like today, we're going to get 10%, 15% of staffing to call out. So beforehand, we can increase that staff. So the better we can identify what those margins are going to be better for the business because in grocery, the margin is small. So better than we can do operationalize so we get more efficiency out of it, the better. And the Planalytics deal will help us do that.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeThere's just so much -- a storm like this would...
Aaron Cano
attendeeYes. It changes everything.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeIt's such a ripple that goes through, right? Like so much happens. Again, that's why we keep coming back to...
Aaron Cano
attendeeBut again, the [indiscernible] (00:09:48) beforehand, there would be 5 weeks, but 2, 3 days before and if you know what that is, you're planning for it.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeWell, if you know what it is and your systems know what it is.
Aaron Cano
attendeeYes, yes, yes.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeYou can tell the people all day about the weather. They know what to do. The systems don't know what to do. So you got to tell them what to do. You got to need tell the system what to do, it will do it.
Aaron Cano
attendeeYes, same thing with the machine learning where you can automate, hey, if the machine knows it's going to snow on Tuesday by 3 inches, then do automatically rejiggers the supply chain and demand process.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeExactly. Exactly. A lot easier than the hundreds of people trying to - efficiencies...
Aaron Cano
attendeeThat's what we used to do.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeYes, exactly. We want them out loading the truck. So Aaron, I'm going to stick with you for this next one a little bit and talk about -- it's FreshDirect, right? Fresh is in your name, right? So the fresh of the product and frankly, wastage and reducing spoil, waste. There's a lot of different terminologies for it. But it's pretty important to that margin and that bottom line, right? So talking about weather-driven demand in WDDs. How about optimizing inventories, reducing waste, how does that work for you?
Aaron Cano
attendeeNow FreshDirect is a little bit different than -- we're purely online, right? So our warehouse located in the Bronx, but our -- in the building produce, it's 2 days to 5 days. We don't keep a whole lot. So the more that we can understand what that supply needs to be, the less we call it scrap, right, the less waste. So again, like today, we bring in more food for the weather, but we take in less of other things. Therefore, we actually very much reduce a lot of the scrap or the waste and the sustainability of that in the building. So we're giving more things to the customer more what they want when they want it and less waste. Again, it's very much driven by the weather and our ability to predict that, it helps those margins very much.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeI like that term, scrap. I want to steal that one.
Aaron Cano
attendeeI think we're the only one who uses that word, right, in the grocery, but scrap.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeWastage, spoilage and all that, scrap.
Aaron Cano
attendeeIt's a conversation every day in our building.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeLove that. That's good. Josh, turning to you for this one, right? You have a very different business than FreshDirect, but there are some similarities, right? And so can you talk about the impacts of how weather influences customers who shop online, right? How do you see that weather influencing e-commerce, in particular, if you could call that out, look for opportunities? And how do you get that sensing for the sales signals that are coming, WDDs?
Joshua Niebler
executiveYes. I think it's like I talked about, obviously, days like today, it's all about cold weather, snow happening, outerwear, outerwear accessories, heavyweight jackets, things like that. But I'm excited about what we're learning here and see a lot of other applications, especially as we get into spring. Parts of the country will get warmer, drier earlier than others. People will get outside and look to play golf sooner. Kids sports, spring sports start at different times based on what the weather is doing in local areas. So I think there's a lot of application beyond just kind of the obvious and maybe it's just obvious because of where we are and what today looks like. But I think there's a lot more application year-round and how we absorb weather signals and become more relevant to the customers who are shopping on our website.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeYes. You could say it's a complicated one as the seasons progressed. So it's easy to think about the weather when you come in from the snow outside, but then you think about what the weather is like right now in Dallas versus Detroit versus...
Joshua Niebler
executiveIt's jackets, where as a company, we talk about it because it's such a large business. It impacts the entire company's performance. But again, I do think that there's a lot more application beyond just that category?
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeYes. It's funny, too. So we had a -- one of the best compliments I ever got was from a CFO from one of our customers. And he came over like -- it's like shook my hands. Like they've just signed up with us. They're only a couple of months in, and he said, we love you guys because you stopped the weather conversations around here, right? I thought that was great, right? I asked him to explain. He was like people used to use the weather as an excuse, oh, the weather killed me. Not anymore.
Aaron Cano
attendeeFor us, it's similar. For many years, there's always it snowed, what was the impact. And you guess. But now we have real information.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeNow you have a number, right?
Aaron Cano
attendeeWe put the end to the conversation.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeRight, exactly, end on the conversation. You can do something about it, like scrap, right? I can -- waiting to use one. Okay. Aaron, I'm going to go back to you, right? I can't get through all of these. Talk a little bit about the effects of COVID, right, a little bit. Now FreshDirect was well positioned or the world changed, better than a lot of retailers. Everyone was surprised but...
Aaron Cano
attendeeWe were surprised, too.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeYes. I have no doubt. But it's just that it's a unique business. I was thinking about that a lot, what you guys do and -- so how did it affect FreshDirect? What...
Aaron Cano
attendeeIt was -- well, besides the drama and the impact of it, but it took us a good -- I would say, 2 months to really reset our processes around where we were. These first several weeks, we couldn't handle the volume, right? So everybody is just coming on to FreshDirect, ordering $600, $700, $800 worth of food and leaving nothing for anybody else, right? So it took us some time to reset that and again using some data, making sure our best customers, how would they want it. We proactively gave our customers a time slot or a reservation and say, "Hey, Mary, you're Tuesday at 10:00. John, you're Wednesday at 3:00." They want to change, it's fine, but make sure that they had what they needed. And that gave us then time to reset the supply chain, reset the staffing. It took about 2 months where we reset that, where we can now start to grow and take -- I'll just use the word take advantage of the pandemic in that way, right?
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeYou're among friends here. It's okay.
Aaron Cano
attendeeYes. Yes, but tastes a little bit different, right? So now we're on the other side of that. And the pandemic did one thing. It changed people's perceptions of food, where people were -- and before, once they go to the store, they want to feel and touch the tomatoes because it is about trust, right? Now you didn't have a choice. You had to have someone deliver the tomatoes, right? But when they go on the FreshDirect like, oh my god, these things are wonderful. I have to order them again, right? So now post-pandemic, a lot of folks, yes, they went back to their old habits. But we ended up keeping a lot of those customers who have built that trust over time. And now we're in that position now, right? But now you get a different situation where we're still in that post-COVID travel mode and you get -- when the weather is nicer, people are not shopping, right? They're out on vacation. Columbus Day and MLK Day yesterday, people are just off more so than they were pre-pandemic, which now also impacts the business. So we're not quite there yet on where we were before, but different lot more business, a lot different kinds of business.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeYes. That's right. Yes. That's the unique thing to say. It's quite a different impact from, say, a DICK'S Sporting goods, right?
Joshua Niebler
executiveBut not entirely dissimilar. I mean we saw a huge shift into our e-commerce business and out of our store business when some -- obviously we're forced to close, but even others that were open, a lot of people just gravitated toward e-commerce. And we've been able to kind of keep a lot of those customers online and grow the whole pie as a result. So that was actually, despite the very different businesses we're a part of, a lot of similarities from what happened in 2020.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeSome similarities and differences. So I'm going to direct this next question first to you, Josh, that DICK'S Sporting Goods, you talked about personalization and really making that a website. I mean certainly, retail, politics, and weather, right, it's all local. So when you start thinking about that from a DICK'S Sporting Goods perspective, you have teams, right, rooting for the home team, the rise of pickle ball and running shoes and all sorts of different things that go on. How do you take that all on? What do you do about it? And because the weather is going to be different, you mentioned before from one market to the next every single day.
Joshua Niebler
executiveYes. I think this is something that's really been critical to our store success. They've done a phenomenal job of this for as long as DICK'S Sporting Goods has been around, really kind of local assortment planning, really relevant products in the right stores at the right time. That's been a lot of what's fueled the successful in-store business. What's nice about online is we don't have to curate the assortment. We can carry everything for everyone who comes to our website to shop. So that's definitely a plus. But I think the challenge and what we're trying to solve for is how we still appear local and relevant, recommend, encourage surface, highlight the right products for the right person based on all those signals. So we want to make it look like we've curated that assortment specifically based -- for you based on everything we know about you, when in reality, we carry every product on the website that is carried across the entire chain. So a little bit of a different approach, but trying to really get that local feel that I think our stores have a great reputation of achieving, trying to get that online.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeAnd FreshDirect is we're more of a regional player, but you still have differences, right, across the various parts of the region.
Joshua Niebler
executiveNo, 100%, like so Manhattan is very different than Jersey and Long Island in terms of how they buy in the weather like today, Manhattan, we're going to get more business because people don't want to walk. [indiscernible] (00:18:59) suburbs, they'll get in the car, right? So that changes everything there. But for us, a lot of the personalization is around the habit. Similar grocers is how do people get into a food habit and weather plays a part of that, especially in the wintertime with us, how do we personalize that experience because, for us, it's the -- winter is the biggest time a year for us in terms of customer acquisitions, right? So people are -- they're back at work. Kids are back in school. They're starting to get back into a colder food habit, where maybe you're going out to you once a week, but your food is more on a regular basis. So in the wintertime is when we do a lot of acquisitions, but depending on the weather, you get some of those infrequents back in, right? And then the customers back in. And there's the opportunity, where they don't want to go outside. So it's that onetime order but make it a great experience and then personalize the second and third one. So they come back to 2 to 3 times. Once you get that fifth order, it becomes a habit, right? And if you get 20%, 30% of those folks that get on that food habit with you before spring, right, when the weather gets nice and around spring break and they have this break, then you're hooked because then, in late spring, you're back on a habit again. And then September comes around, again, summer is over, and you're back on that food habit. Those same folks are in the wintertime that were with you, they'll come back in September. So the weather drives a lot of that habit and how we personalize that experience going forward.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeIt's interesting. It's such a seasonal business.
Aaron Cano
attendeeYes.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeThat's good. All right. So I'm going -- to move on, a question for you both, right? You've been great. I appreciate all of this, that we've talked about, the storm and the various storms that are coming up, and there are still some storms starting to come. So just kind of talking about the future a little bit, how you plan on using weather-driven demand, how you plan on using the weather like growing money. Like kind of what's next? I'm not asking you to give away any trade secrets within the business or anything like that but just talking a little bit about what's next. I think, Josh, I'm going to ask you to start and just a little bit about what's ahead?
Joshua Niebler
executiveYes. I think I've talked a little bit about what we're trying to do. What I haven't talked about and where I think WDD and kind of this weather prediction can help us is personalization at scale. Like we can't be kind of manually making decisions, trying to use our best judgment internally. Quick, spin up a piece of creative. Try something different. We're really trying to put the data, the tools, and the processes in place so that we can react quickly but have a real scalable approach to what we're trying to do in terms of on-site personalization. So that's where I think the WDD model plays really nicely with that. That's our source of truth. That's our data model. Now we need to, on our side, figure out kind of the tools and processes side to absorb it and put the right experience forward on the website. But it's that scale piece, scale and -- yes.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeIt's a good point, right? Because if you only had one customer you'd know just want to do, right, every day all day, every day, but you don't, right? You got to do it at scale and tricky. Aaron, what about you? Can...
Aaron Cano
attendeeWell, again, we're in the early stages with Planalytics. But the plan is -- number one, it's around the forecast and how do we operationalize the weather down to the ZIP code level, right, because, again, every ZIP code is different. You can increase the margins and change operationally the demand forecast in every ZIP code. One, your plant becomes more efficient, your transportation becomes more efficient, your supply chain becomes more efficient around that order forecast. Once we get that down, then it's really around supply chain. And then you take that down the funnel and really use that to operationalize everything in the system, right, based on that demand, which, again, at the ZIP code level, if it's snowing in Long Island, which is worse than here in New York, we're going to have different SKUs out in Long Island or different personalization experience. When you show up on the website, you have a different experience than Manhattan based on what's going on outside or in-app messaging, right? If it's snowing out or raining out, "Hey, Mary, it's going to rain tomorrow. So here's your order ready. Just go and change it. So again, it's around pre-populating the order and the offers and getting those infrequents to come back in. "Hey John, it's going to snow this weekend. Remember us. It's FreshDirect. Hello?" They'll come back, right? So automating those things is first order for us. And once we get through that, then of course, is measuring it and how it works. But I think that's the easy part of it. But it's enhancing the customer experience with using whatever data that you have available to us. And for us, the weather is that next step.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeGood. All right. Again, thank you, Josh. Thank you, Aaron. I appreciate it. Can we get a round of applause, please? Thank you all for coming out today. If you have any questions, like to learn more, we're at Booth 4156. Please come by. All right. Take a coffee mug on your way out as well. And talk to you again.
Aaron Cano
attendeeYou have to push the hot chocolate.
Scott Bernhardt
attendeeAnd hot chocolate, that's right, right? Have a hot chocolate. It's a good day for that. It's a weather-driven hot chocolate day. Thank you all very much.
Aaron Cano
attendeeThank you.
Joshua Niebler
executiveThanks, everyone.
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