DLocal Limited (DLO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
November 16, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Sumita Pandit
executiveThanks. Afternoon, everyone, and welcome to dLocal's call covering third-quarter 2021 earnings. A slide deck goes along with our prepared comments; you can watch this live through webcast, and both the webcast and the slides can be reached on dLocal's site at investor.dlocal.com. A replay will be up soon once this wraps. Before we go further, I should note that any forward statements in the presentation or said on this call rest on information available now plus dLocal's present assumptions, expectations and projections regarding future events. Although the Company thinks those assumptions, expectations and projections make sense given what we know today, you shouldn't lean too heavily on such forward-looking statements. Actual results could wind up differing materially from what's in dLocal's presentation or talked about on this call, for many reasons, among them those laid out in the forward-looking statements and Risk Factors portion of dLocal's registration statements on Form F-1 and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, all of which you can find on dLocal's Investor Relations website. With that, I'll hand the conference to Sebastián Kanovich, our Chief Executive Officer.
Sebastián Kanovich
executiveHi everyone, and thank you for being with us today. Joining me on this call are Sumita Pandit, who serves as our Chief Operating Officer, and Diego Cabrera Canay, our Chief Financial Officer. We're glad to share an update about our business, and we appreciate your interest in our company. Moving to slide 3. dLocal helps merchants around the world link up smoothly with billions of consumers in emerging markets. Through our platform, One dLocal, merchants get one API, one integration, and one contract as a complete solution. Our focus is entirely B2B, and we're proud that some of the biggest global merchants count as our customers, including Microsoft, Rappi, Kuaishou, Mailchimp, Wikimedia, inDriver, and Wix. As of now, our infrastructure serves our merchants in 32 emerging markets spanning Latin America, Africa, and Asia. Now, on to the results. The third quarter was yet another exceptional one. Total process volume, or TPV, rose 217% year-over-year against the third quarter of 2020, hitting $1.8 billion for the quarter. Revenue came in at $69 million for the quarter, which is 123% growth year-over-year against the third quarter of 2020. Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter of 2021 was up 110% year-over-year versus the third quarter of 2020. On slide 4. Let's take a quick look at how our Q3 2021 performance stacks up against Q2 2021 and also full year 2020. Our Q3 2021 revenue growth of 123% compares with 186% year-over-year in Q2 and 88% year-over-year growth for full year 2020. We've noted before that the net retention rate metric is a key KPI we use to manage our business; we hit 185% NRR in Q3 2021, against 196% in Q2 2021 and 159% for full year 2020. Our adjusted EBITDA margin in Q3 2021 stood at 38%, compared with 44% in Q2 2021 and 40% for the full year 2020, as we keep investing in our people, platform, and technology to follow a path of growth. We anticipate our full year 2021 adjusted EBITDA margin will be in line with our full year 2020 adjusted EBITDA margin. Through this quarter, we've seen ongoing growth in our business from both existing and new merchants using our product. We're observing more digitalization, less cash, and broader adoption of alternative payment methods. We've kept up our work on the expansion front, extending our presence in Africa and Southeast Asia. We launched two new countries in the last quarter, Thailand and El Salvador. For the year-to-date 2021, we've added six new countries to our network infrastructure. We've added 10-plus new merchants with material volumes in the third quarter of 2021. We keep benefiting from the diversification of our business across verticals. We've maintained our strong adjusted EBITDA margin even with continued investment in our infrastructure and people. We've kept hiring and strengthening our employee count in key functions. The headcount in dLocal grew 105% year-over-year in the third quarter 2021. On slide 5. There are 3 primary challenges that we are solving for our merchants. First, the ways people pay are inherently regional and quite varied across the 32 nations we operate in. As buyers take up newly introduced payment options, that fragmentation keeps intensifying. Sellers want to reach this fast-expanding end market without having to construct the payment infrastructure on their own. Second, in emerging markets it's difficult to secure solid conversion rates while also containing fraud; and third, we simplify complicated things for the merchants we serve by letting them stay current with evolving regulatory and tax rules across emerging markets. Moving to slide 6. The intricacy of the markets we cover is what gives our solution its strength. Slide 6 lays out how payment methods break down across Latin America, the Middle East and Africa, and Asia Pacific, illustrating the intricacy merchants encounter when operating in this market. Every market is developing along its own path. In Asia Pacific, for instance, digital mobile wallets account for a far larger share. In the Middle East and Africa region, bank transfers along with cash on delivery carry much greater weight. Within each continent, countries differ from one another as well. To match consumer preference, merchants want options and flexibility in this end market. Slide 7. A market study that AMI completed on the key markets we serve is now posted on our website. Our TPV for the third quarter 2021 came to $1.8 billion, which is 217% growth year-over-year. At $4.9 billion, our TPV for the last 12 months equaled 2.4x our TPV for full year 2020. Our TPV represents just a tiny fraction of our addressable market, which is anticipated to keep expanding at 27% CAGR over the next few years. Slide 8; on slide 8, we show a case study involving a representative merchant on our platform. As the slide indicates, ramping up volume usually takes us 3 to 6 quarters. With this particular merchant, we began with a local-to-local payment flow. We added payment methods, we added new countries, and after that we added cross-border flow for a few markets. For this particular merchant, we went from 18 to 109 payment methods. We've expanded to nine countries. Over roughly three years, the merchant has experienced 30x volume growth. Naturally, every merchant is different, and the example given represents how we expand as our merchants grow organically on our platform. I'll now pass things to Sumita to walk through our vectors of future growth.
Sumita Pandit
executiveThanks, Seba. We're moving on to slide 9 now, which covers our future growth vectors. There are three main avenues for growth: commercial efforts, product expansion, and geographic expansion. When it comes to commercial efforts, we concentrate on a land-and-expand approach. The growth we see comes from merchants growing organically, our capacity to cross-sell via account management, and our ability to bring in new clients. For the third quarter, our NRR, or net retention rate, stood at an impressive 185%, compared with 159% in 2020. To figure out NRR, we look at dollar revenues earned from existing merchants who were on our platform, comparing them year over year. So, $100 of revenues in Q3 2020 from that same group of merchants turned into $185 in Q3 2021. New client revenues hit $12 million in the third quarter of 2021, versus $9 million for all of 2020 and $3 million in Q3 2020; we keep improving our product portfolio by enhancing features for pay-ins and pay-outs, along with creating and rolling out new product lines like Issuing-as-a-Service. On the geographic expansion front, we're always strengthening our footprint in the countries where we already have operations and bringing in new ones; during the third quarter, we added Thailand and El Salvador to our platform. Our revenue growth combined with EBITDA margin, or the Rule of 40, came to 161% in Q3 2021, compared with 129% for the full year 2020. We think the robust cash flow our business generates can back an inorganic strategy that speeds up our time to market. We intend to chase inorganic chances to boost any of those three growth vectors. Slide 10. Our growth is fueled by existing clients. The account management team is entirely dedicated to cultivating relationships with clients we already have. They collaborate closely with clients to address current needs and cross-sell additional payment methods, new countries, and new product use cases. At any moment, we have more than 50 pricing proposals out to existing clients, around 30-plus being tested, and roughly 20-plus ready to launch. On slide 11. New clients keep supplying our industry-agnostic sales funnels. The swift growth and scaling of online merchants, the rise of the theater economy, the focus on merchant place and digital marketing that often lacks geographic limits. Viral user growth at some of our fastest-growing merchant experiences has kept widening our sales funnel; we anticipate this will persist as new companies pop up and dominate online far more rapidly now than just a few years ago. Today's new-age company operates globally and expands beyond national and regional borders, and we help them reach consumers anywhere on earth. As slide 11 shows, at any point, we have around 175-plus merchants in the early phases of our funnel and more than 75-plus awaiting launch. After going live, it generally takes us 3 to 6 quarters to build up volume with a merchant. During this quarter, we brought on more than 10 new merchants. On Slide 12, you'll find our comprehensive and differentiated solution suite. Optimization of our features and solutions is something our product team works on continuously. A snapshot of our platform is shown on Slide 12. On the back end, we support our merchants when it comes to regulation, compliance, tax collection, fraud and security, smart routing and settlement. On the front end, our merchant consumers get support for refunds, reminders for alternative payment methods, subscriptions, installments for mobile or desktop support at checkout. Turning to Slide 13; so far this year, six countries have been added to our network. Our expansion strategy is both merchant-led, meaning we go where our merchants ask us for the solution, and dLocal-led. We have a pipeline of merchants working to launch in the new markets we have expanded into more recently. Our performance does not depend on any single country. Additionally, we don't forecast our performance by country. Slide 14. Strong growth is visible across verticals, with 217% year-over-year TPV growth, as our business benefits from diversification. The performance and outlook of any single industry vertical does not determine our business model. We are also exploring additional opportunities with merchants, including to provide payment solutions in connection with cryptocurrencies. We will continue to evaluate the risk framework around cryptocurrency to provide our merchants with the appropriate solution.
Sebastián Kanovich
executiveTurning to Slide 15. As I said when this call began, we keep putting money into our operations. Our team members represent the greatest edge we hold over rivals. When Q3 wrapped up, our workforce totaled 532 people drawn from more than 30 nationalities. Headcount at dLocal expanded 105% compared with the same period a year earlier in the third quarter of 2021. Now on Slide 16, Diego is going to walk through our financial highlights.
Diego Cabrera Canay
executiveThank you, Seba. Let's turn to slide 17. Once again we've posted a record TPV, hitting $1.8 billion, along with record revenues of $69 million. During the third quarter of 2021, TPV rose 217% compared with a year earlier and 24% versus the prior quarter. We keep gaining from long-term shifts toward e-commerce and digital payments as conditions normalize, and also from how our merchants are performing and from our achievement in expanding them into additional countries and payment methods. This expansion reflects the results of our merchants within particular verticals, including ride hailing, streaming and advertising, plus the sequential rebound in travel. On a year-over-year basis, revenues were up 123%, and they increased 16% from the prior quarter. Both of those numbers closely resemble what we reported in the first quarter of 2021. The ratio of revenue to TPV — our take rate — was 3.8%, versus 4.1% in Q2 2021. Shifts in the mix of business across products, countries and payment methods cause that ratio to move. Specifically, this quarter saw significant expansion among certain large, high-potential merchants whose take rate is below average, or who have qualified for more favorable pricing tiers. When our biggest merchants generate greater volume, the take rate typically declines, but that's very good for our business because it brings in additional EBITDA. Another point I want to highlight is that the share of our revenue coming from our 10 biggest merchants continues to shrink — it was 62% in Q2 2021 and dropped to 57% in Q3 2021. Moving to Slide 18. In Q3 2021, adjusted EBITDA came in at $26 million, which equals 38.3% of revenues, compared with 40.6% in Q3 2020. The reason this margin narrowed is twofold: we remain dedicated to funding the groundwork for growth over the long term, and we are also seeing the effects of excellent results with major merchants that have strong potential but come with a lower take rate. During Q3 2020, our cost of services represented 2.4% of TPV. Turning to services costs, in Q3 of this year they came in at 1.9%. That rise versus a year ago reflects efficiencies as well as shifts in our business mix. Now looking at operating expenses — stripping out one-time and noncash items, which matches how we figure adjusted EBITDA — those are up 92% compared with last year, which is roughly consistent with the 105% growth in our headcount. Our plan is to keep putting money into growth, so margins could keep coming down over the next several quarters, even as we stay disciplined about making every extra dollar we process contribute to profitable growth. Moving to Slide 19. We're still seeing robust revenue growth, coming from both our current customers and new ones. When we talk about revenue from existing merchants, we mean money generated by businesses we were already handling payments for during the equivalent quarter a year earlier. Revenue from new merchants, on the other hand, refers to money brought in by businesses that began working with us after that same quarter last year. Because it typically takes between 3 and 6 quarters for our merchants to ramp up, we view the revenue coming from new merchants as merely an initial indication of what our customers might eventually achieve. During Q3, revenue from existing merchants hit $57 million, more than double the $28 million posted in the same period of 2020. New merchants brought in $12 million, which is 4 times the $3 million from the same period of 2020. Because certain fast-growing merchants that came on board in Q3 2020 shifted into the existing merchants bucket during this quarter, they helped drive a sustained high net revenue retention of 185% for the quarter, while also lowering the quarter-over-quarter contribution of the new merchants bucket, which had hit an all-time high in the prior quarter. Over the medium term, we anticipate net revenue retention landing in the 150% to 160% range. Slide 20. Out of the 123% year-over-year revenue growth in Q3 2021, 85%, or $26 million, was generated by existing merchants, while 38%, or $12 million, came from new merchants. We're continuing to see net revenue retention at an exceptional 185%, which is far above the long-term norm we've recorded and also exceeds the 159% figure we posted in 2020. On top of that, new merchant revenue remained ahead of what we brought in during the prior year. To sum up, several factors drive our net revenue retention: churn held at very low levels, under 1%; growth among our merchants, with certain e-commerce leaders in emerging markets typically scaling 20% to 30% each year; and our ability to capture more of their wallet share within existing payment methods while also bringing them into new countries, products and payment methods. With that, I'll pass things to Seba for the closing remarks.
Sebastián Kanovich
executiveAppreciate that, Diego; turning to Slide 20. There's a lot of excitement on our end about what lies ahead. Our attention stays fixed on the sizable and growing TAM, the direct connections we've built with merchants, infrastructure that scales, the diverse set of verticals we're exposed to, and keeping both growth and profitability in our sights. To our merchants, employees and investors: thank you for sticking with us. I'd ask the operator to open the line for questions.
Jorge Kuri
analystHello, and good evening to all of you. Trust everybody's doing well. Nice work on those results. Two things from me. My first one concerns your gross profit take rate, which in my view is the proper lens for assessing profitability relative to revenue. This quarter it came in at 1.9%, a drop of 40 basis points from 2.3% in the quarter before. That fall was quite sharp compared with the revenue yield, which declined by about half as much. So I was curious about this — and I understand your point that the revenue yield moved because you're serving — your volumes from very large clients increased, and that requires offering lower prices. Understood; but can't you likewise secure more favorable transaction costs from the acquirers as you push through greater volumes? After all, your volumes rose 217% year-on-year; so shouldn't some of those benefits flow to you too, and ideally keep the link between the revenue yield and the gross profit yield roughly flat? Clearly it's getting worse. So that's my first question. If you could help us grasp why this is taking place and how you expect it to look across the coming few quarters? Then my second question relates to what you said about lower EBITDA margins. What precisely does that mean? I mean, it would be extremely useful for us to grasp the — to size up that remark, the scale, how long that decline lasts. When do you expect it to turn back upward? Any detail at all would help us frame it correctly and avoid overreacting in either direction. Thank you.
Sebastián Kanovich
executiveHello, Jorge. Many thanks for your questions. This is Seba. So, regarding the first portion of your question about gross profit, there are two aspects. First, there's the matter of business mix. Our business keeps evolving. And bear in mind, we provide multiple products across multiple geographies, and each will carry different take rates; that's why we keep stressing that we don't optimize for a take rate, since we know that figure will fluctuate. I agree with you about us obtaining better rates from acquirers and payment methods. You can observe that our transaction costs have steadily come down. But once more, you may see them rise because that could also stem from us processing payments in countries or in payment methods that cost more. So, we keep optimizing for NRR, ensuring that we bring in more additional dollars that arrive at a profit. And yes, absolutely, we are always securing better rates from acquirers, from payment methods, from banks. But that's something we optimize for. We want to ensure more dollars are coming through and they always add to our margins. That's our way of thinking about it. Sumita, I'd like you to handle the portion of that question dealing with EBITDA margin.
Sumita Pandit
executiveYes. Jorge, thank you for asking that. So, Jorge, as we said on our call about the second quarter results, when you look at how our margins did this quarter, that's really in line with how they did in the same quarter a year ago. What we're aiming for, I believe, is a full year 2021 margin that sits inside the range we had for the whole of 2020. That guidance is unchanged. It's a soft guidance we're providing on what we as a management team are aiming for. We expect the margin to come in around that level. That said, I think we aren't locking ourselves into a particular figure. It's a range, since we do believe we need to keep putting money into the business.
Jorge Kuri
analystTo piggyback on that final point, Sumita — I suppose 2021 has already wrapped up, correct? At this stage, whatever the fourth quarter margin turns out to be doesn't really matter much, I'd say; my focus is more on 2022. So when you mention that margins will come in lower, do you mean for the whole of 2022? And if you could also clarify — you brought up what that reduced level might look like. What's going through your mind there? By how much is it lower? Just how low does lower go?
Sumita Pandit
executiveRight. I don't think it'll stray very far from the figures we posted in 2020; so our near-term view of where margin will stay is essentially that 2020 margin. What I'd rather not claim is that it will absolutely land at 40%. It should fall within that band. It shouldn't differ much from the performance you watched us deliver in 2020.
Jorge Kuri
analystGreat, thanks a lot. That's really useful.
Sebastián Kanovich
executiveThe chance in front of us, we believe, is enormous. We need to be sure there's sufficient room to put money into what we judge to be worthwhile; therefore, we're not looking to lock ourselves in a way that stops us from chasing those chances. Our history, I'd say, shows we can be profitable while operating at scale; so this is something we treat — allocating our capital is something we treat very seriously, yet we still want the capacity to keep investing going forward. That's the reason we'd rather not provide a specific figure.
Jason Kupferberg
analystThanks, everyone. Good afternoon. The top line momentum here is really impressive. In Q3, you achieved revenue growth in the mid-teens compared to the previous quarter, even with a very difficult comparison. So I'd like to know, given your outlook for growth among both new and existing merchants, whether we might see another quarter-over-quarter increase in the double digits during Q4?
Sumita Pandit
executiveI'll begin. Diego and Seba, feel free to add your perspectives. Jason, I appreciate the question. Our emphasis is on year-over-year figures; our goal is to keep growing the business over the long term. We tend not to put much weight on how one quarter compares to the one right before it, since that kind of comparison can give a distorted picture of where our business is headed over the long term. Take the quarter we're in right now: our TPV rose 217% during it. And looking back at Q3 2020 — it's useful to recall the position we were in a year ago — our growth compared with the prior year stood at 65%. So that 65% figure climbed to 217% in the current quarter. As we move into the coming quarter, our attention stays on how that metric stacks up against Q4 of last year. It's worth remembering that Q4 of last year was a fairly robust quarter. Much of COVID's effect had dissipated by then, and the fourth quarter was shaping up quite well already. Compared with our Q4 2020 figures, we'll record growth in dollars, though the gain might not match the positive bump we saw when Q3 was measured against the prior year's Q3.
Jason Kupferberg
analystAll right. Yeah, I understand that. What I mean is, the comparison for TPV becomes more difficult. Revenue comps are roughly the same, though clearly you have that big-merchant mix in there. That means the take rate for Q4 ’21 will come in below what we saw in Q4 ’20. So perhaps asking for double-digit growth from one quarter to the next is a bit much. Understood. Fine. Year-over-year growth is still strong. And then just...
Sumita Pandit
executiveYeah. Sorry, one quick point about that. If you look back and check the revenue growth figures too, those are included in our press release. They weren’t part of the presentation. But once more, that should give you a sense of where our revenue growth figures stood in Q3 of last year — 96% — compared with where they stand today — 123% — and again, that offers a bit of insight into how we’ve kept accelerating the business’s overall growth.
Jason Kupferberg
analystRight, right. Okay. Yes. No, I appreciate that. As a follow-up, I'd like to hear your current perspective on the competitive landscape. I mean, some players have mentioned they might be planning a larger push into Latin America, and I'm wondering if that's on your radar too and whether you believe it could affect pricing.
Sebastián Kanovich
executiveSure. Hi Jason, and thanks for asking. So, regarding the competitive landscape, I think there are a few important points. First, this market is enormous, and we anticipate that more participants — those already involved — will operate at scale. We remain focused on standing out. That's why you see us growing our geographic footprint. You'll notice we keep introducing additional product lines, since ultimately, we want to ensure we have sufficient touch points with our merchants. If you operate in only one market or one region, replication becomes easier. The more issues you resolve for a merchant, the harder it becomes for another company to challenge you. So, yes, we'll face rivals in specific payment methods in specific geographies, but we have yet to observe companies operating in emerging markets that were attempting to build at scale across pay-ins, pay-outs, issuing, fraud prevention; and that's how why — how and why we intend to stand out.
Neha Agarwala
analystI'd like to build a little further on what Jorge asked before. The cost of services rose substantially — it came in at roughly 43% of revenues during the previous quarter. In the quarter we're in now, that figure reached 50%. I realize some fluctuation exists, but should we treat that as a stable level, or something near it? Given the shifts in mix that have taken place, is that what lies ahead for us in upcoming quarters? Any extra detail on this would really help. My next question concerns the merchant base. According to what you said, roughly 10 or more merchants were brought on during this quarter. Is this an area you're prioritizing — from what I gather, the bulk of merchants sit in the U.S. and Europe, with a handful of Chinese merchants. Might that become a focus for you? Would you prefer to put more effort into serving Chinese merchants, or is that not a priority? If it isn't, what's the reason? Finally, I have a question about competition. You said your geographic presence acts as a moat, and that's what sets you apart. That said, are you noticing greater pressure on pricing? Earlier you noted that pricing isn't the main consideration for merchants when they choose to work with you; do you still hold the view that for a merchant, partnering with two or three providers makes sense rather than relying on just one? And that this isn't a zero-sum situation, so two or three major players can serve a given merchant. Any perspective on this would be extremely useful. Thank you very much.
Diego Cabrera Canay
executiveHi, Neha. I'll take the first part and let Sumita and Seba handle the remainder. Essentially, as we've said previously, the second quarter was exceptional for us when it comes to profitability. Part of that — the differences from one quarter to the next relate to merchants and business mix; and as we noted, profitability in the third quarter aligns more closely with what we saw in Q4 or Q3 of the prior year. And indeed, that's closer to what you should anticipate moving forward. So the figures you're looking at, I believe, come to 1.9% of TPV for cost — once again, we won't lock ourselves into a figure that could move either up or down; over the long term, we think that figure will decline sequentially as we reach new pricing tiers and secure more favorable rates with payment methods, though you should expect it to stay within ranges similar to where it stands today.
Sebastián Kanovich
executiveHey Neha, I appreciate the questions. Regarding which merchants we go after — to start with, our aim is any business anywhere on the planet that wants to operate in more than 2 geographies. What that means is that right now we bring on board merchants originating from the U.S., from Europe, and certainly from China. When you look at our customer base and the names we've managed to make public, you'll notice that a number of the Chinese leaders are there. I want to be clear on this point since I believe it matters a great deal. We do not process payments within China; instead, we assist Chinese companies in expanding into the emerging markets, exactly as we do for American companies and for European companies, and increasingly through local leaders emerging from Africa, from Asia, and for Lat Am, who are likewise growing important across more than 1 geography. So China is a major priority for us, and it will remain so, once again, by helping Chinese companies process payment internationally. Now, on the topic of competition — we do not compete on price. Bear in mind, we serve some of the largest companies on earth. They possess substantial bargaining power. So we could not charge much beyond what the alternative costs unless we were differentiating. Therefore, price is not where we compete. What we compete on is ensuring who has the superior conversion rate, ensuring that our merchants obtain higher access. We are a revenue-enabler. Merchants approach us because they wish to grow their business in the emerging markets where they operate. And the final point about redundancy — I think our track record here has been extremely consistent. We are practically never a merchant's only provider. Bear in mind, we don't process payments in Western Europe and in the U.S., so it makes sense that our merchants would have another provider. Will they choose to have redundancy in our markets? That genuinely depends. It depends — at times we observe 1 country with redundancy, while others have none. So that keeps evolving. But we don't think it's sustainable, and we don't anticipate being the sole provider for any of these global companies. That wouldn't be a best practice for them either.
Tito Labarta
analystSo I suppose I'll start by picking up where we left off on net revenue retention, which continues to look quite strong. When it comes to that 150% to 160% guidance you brought up for the midterm, is that still your expectation — meaning somewhere in the range of 12 to 18 months, things settle at that 150% to 160% level? Do you have any sense of how that might move, perhaps even over the coming few quarters? And taking a longer view as well, how many years could that stay at that level? Then my other question touches on competition, though really more about wallet share and the investments you're making. Are those meant to keep rivals from picking up some of your current customers? Is the goal to bring in additional customers, or simply to grow the wallet share you already hold with those customers? I'm just trying to get a picture of where the competitive risks sit — whether with existing clients or new ones — and how the investments you're making can help guard against that. Thank you.
Sumita Pandit
executiveTito, I appreciate that question. I'll handle the first portion. Regarding what you asked about net retention rate and our expectations over the somewhat medium term, we told you during last quarter's results as well that we continue to believe that within the near term — meaning 12 to 18 months — a net retention rate of 150% to 160% can be reached, and that's what our plans are built around. We also shared with you that the reason NRR is currently so elevated is that we're gaining from certain clients that had been in our new client bucket transitioning into our existing client bucket. Consequently, in the absolute near term, you're witnessing these extremely high NRRs of 180-plus. Q2 came in at 196%, and this quarter was 185%; over the medium term, it will be roughly 150% to 160%. As for your question about how long that will hold up, that's a tougher one for us to respond to; however, we've given you guidance suggesting that over the longer term, it will likely decline to 120% to 130%. We're a B2B-focused enterprise business, and we believe 120% to 130% NRRs are what some of the finest software companies globally accomplish; and we expect to move toward that level, which would additionally sit quite near the organic growth rate of our merchants in these end markets. Seba, would you like to take the next question?
Sebastián Kanovich
executiveAbsolutely, Tito — I appreciate the question. When it comes to where we put our money, there are two main areas. First, we keep making sure our platform is the strongest one available in every market we serve — that means the highest conversion rate, the best outcomes for our merchants, and keeping everything firmly in check. That's the work we're doing, along with having the people to back it up. Some of the most exacting businesses anywhere in the world rely on us, so having the right team on the other end matters enormously. At the same time, we keep spending on growth. We introduced our Issuing-as-a-Service offering. We've also introduced several of the fresh markets where we're beginning to handle payments; and the truth is that this — all of it always serves to set us apart. And that holds true for both the customers we already have and the ones yet to arrive. Every time we launch a new geography or add another payment method, fresh possibilities open up that we'll talk through with the client base we already serve. Naturally, we also anticipate that those additional payment methods, those additional geographies, those additional products will let us welcome new merchants onto the platform. But eventually those new merchants will land in that NRR bucket, and we'll be talking about all the remaining possibilities. So we see those two things as going side by side. They keep building on one another; and we believe that continuing to spend is the correct approach, since that's how we set ourselves apart over the long term.
Domingos Falavina
analystThanks. Nice work on the results once more. A brief question about funding costs, particularly in Brazil. So, my understanding is you typically settle in roughly 7 to 10 days. Everyone knows the credit cycle runs a bit longer than that. There are some funding pressures showing up in the acquirer, and I assume those are being passed along to you. So, I’m essentially assuming these show up in the cost of service lines, $34 million, unless I’ve got that wrong. So, the question is, how much did the rising cost of funds in Brazil affect your cost of service lines? And I assume this will remain a pressure going forward in future quarters.
Diego Cabrera Canay
executiveYes, of course. So, bear in mind that — clearly Brazil is a meaningful country, but about one-third of our volume is credit card; and our view is that — not a great deal is in installments. We discount everything as a policy. Anything that is cross-border gets discounted to mitigate any FX risk. And if interest rates rise, we factor that into the pricing we offer our merchants, correct? So, the pricing we offer our merchants assumes that we discount any — as we do in Brazil related to installments.
Sumita Pandit
executiveAnd Dom, if I could just add one more point on that — I appreciate the question. Just remember that for us, Brazil is only 1 of 5 countries in Lat Am alone. Like we told you, we don't really have a large concentration there. So what you're seeing is a really, really tiny slice of our business. And even with that in mind, we don't view this as some major element in how we consider our cost of services in that country.
Domingos Falavina
analystRight. Sumita, though, when you look at roughly 30% of volumes, even a 30-day head start, 50 bps, 100 bps, that matters, doesn't it? So I'm just trying to tease apart, out of that $34 million, how much is recurring and ought to keep growing versus how much isn't tied to financials.
Sebastián Kanovich
executiveDom, our cost per dollar hasn't been rising. We have always fronted all of our funds. And I believe we've covered this before — that isn't a revenue source for us; so, we have always paid the acquirers their fees. We recognize that's where a lot of them earn their margins in Brazil, but it hasn't been something driving our cost of service. Then again, there's the local-to-local piece as well; so, that's 30%. But in cases where it isn't — when it's local-to-local, we don't need to advance funds since we don't carry FX risk. So, this hasn't been a major factor behind the cost increase, and we don't anticipate it becoming one.
Operator
operator<<operator_script>> Since it looks like we don't have any more questions in the queue right now, I want to hand things back to Sebastián Kanovich so he can give his closing remarks. Sir? Sebastián Kanovich Thank you all for spending your time with us and for paying attention. I truly appreciate the questions. Take care. And that wraps up today's conference call. Thanks for joining. You can disconnect now.
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