DMG Blockchain Solutions Inc. (DMGI) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
August 30, 2022
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Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. Good afternoon, and welcome to the DMG Blockchain Solutions Q3 update conference call. [Operator Instructions] Participants of this call are advised that the audio of this conference call is being broadcast live over the Internet and is also being recorded for playback purposes. A webcast replay of the call will be available approximately 1 hour after the end of the call. I would now like to turn the call over to Jules Abraham of Core IR, the company's Investor Relations firm. Please go ahead, sir.
Jules Abraham
attendeeThank you, Sarah. Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining the DMG Blockchain Solutions shareholder update conference call. Joining us today from DMG Blockchain Solutions is Sheldon Bennett, the company's Chief Executive Officer; and Steven Eliscu, Chief Operating Officer. During this call, management will be making forward-looking statements, including statements that address DMG Blockchain Solutions' expectations for future performance or operational results. Forward-looking statements involve risks and other factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those statements. For more information about these risks, please refer to the risk factors described in DMG Blockchain Solutions' most recently filed periodic reports and the company's recent press releases, particularly the cautionary statements within. The content of this call contains time-sensitive information that is accurate only as of today, August 30, 2022. And except as required by law, DMG Blockchain Solutions disclaims any obligation to publicly update or revise any information to reflect events or circumstances that occur after this call. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to Sheldon Bennett and Steven. Sheldon?
Sheldon Bennett
executiveThanks, Jules. Hi. Thanks to everyone who's joining us today. We've got a lot to get through. But first, I wanted to touch on a few recent items, namely the past changes to DMG's Board of Directors. As many of you may know, I'm an original founder of DMG and I've been growing this company year after year. And with me, I've had Nick Seto and Justin Rasekh on the Board as independent Board Directors for many years: Nick Seto was 3 years, Justin Rasekh came originally when we went public with Canaccord back in 2018. However, as the company has grown over time, Nick and Justin have decided to resign and make some room for some new Board of Directors. We've been lucky to be able to have Kelly Allin and J.D. Abouchar join us. For those of you that didn't read our press releases, are not familiar, Kelly is a retired Deloitte & Touche partner with 16 years of experience in audit and governance, and he brings a lot of great insight and expertise in the area of financial statements and compliance and governance. And J.D. is a seasoned investor and previous chairman of a U.S. company that went public on the New York Stock Exchange. And J.D. has got a lot of great experience on Investor Relations and how we should be looking at our company as we try and grow to a higher -- or greater investor base. So now we have a planned Board at the next AGM. That would be 4 people, 3 independent directors, myself as the founder, which has really changed the company from a start-up it used to be, where it was all sort of insiders until we went public, and then we slowly moved the Board from management control to independent directors to a point where it's a strong independent director Board. The governance has changed quite a bit. It's now -- the independent directors have their committees, their budgets. They have a lot of control of what's happening. It's not a private co/public co company of Sheldon Bennett. That's -- those days are over. I wouldn't say it was ever that way, but I would say that people have questioned the Board's independence. We've made a lot of strides in the independence. And we're looking at continuing to add to the Board. We are a Board of 4. We're looking to go up to a Board of 5 in the future. And so I think that's been sort of the biggest change over the last few months. And if there's any questions on that, feel free to reach out to Investor Relations. So that being said, I'll send it over to Steven to go through the company's performance.
Steven Eliscu
executiveGreat. Thank you, Sheldon. Now for a few words about the company's overall position. DMG continues to work towards this goal for building out 1 exahash of self-mining capacity as we increased our hash rate 18% sequentially in the June quarter, and we continue to build the foundation to execute upon our Core+ software strategy. Our balance sheet remains sound despite challenging market conditions. Our revenue declined 12% sequentially to $10.5 million from $11.9 million in the prior quarter mainly as revenue from self-mining declined a similar percentage to $9 million from $10.3 million. The average price of a mined Bitcoin declined 19% sequentially to CAD 42,288. Our gross margin was 66%, down from 73% in the prior quarter. As a proxy for cash flow from operations, our operating margin less depreciation and amortization and stock-based comp was 52%, down from 58% in the prior quarter. And our operating margin was minus 6%, down from 13% in the prior quarter. With increased depreciation, operating margin fell into negative territory. OpEx excluding depreciation, amortization and stock-based comp decreased 11% sequentially to $1.5 million as we maintain tight control of cash expenses. Due largely to losses on digital currency, DMG swung to a net loss for the quarter of $12.2 million, and for the year, a net loss of $7.1 million. We expect depreciation to continue to rise as we deploy additional miners through the end of the calendar year even as we expect operating margin less depreciation, amortization and stock-based comp to stay in strong positive territory through the crypto downturn and hence allow us to continue to invest in our business. On the income statement, this result is likely to be more than offset on the operating margin line by rising depreciation in the near term, assuming the current Bitcoin pricing environment does not materially improve. Our cash plus Bitcoin holdings value decreased to $11.9 million from $28.1 million in the prior quarter as the price used to value our Bitcoin on the balance sheet decreased 56% sequentially. Our total asset base accordingly decreased to $106.6 million from $124.8 million in the prior quarter. Now some statistics on our mining. DMG mined 212 Bitcoin, an 8% increase sequentially from 195 Bitcoin as our 18% increase in realized hash rate to an average of 0.55 exahash was partly offset by a 9% reduction of the network BTCs per hash. In the June quarter, DMG operated approximately 10% below its install mining capacity as we dealt with reliability and heat issues with Bitmain's S19j Pro miner even as we plan to mitigate the summer heat with additional evaporative cooling capacity. Year-to-date, DMG has mined 591 Bitcoin. In the current quarter, this situation with heat has worsened with summer temperatures, and as such, we expect only a very modest change in realized hash rate in the September quarter. However, we expect the situation to markedly improve in the December quarter as temperatures rapidly cool and we approach our expected calendar year-end target of 1 exahash of installed mining capacity, assuming Bitmain deliveries remain on track. In the June quarter, DMG sold 171 Bitcoin at an average price of CAD 38,934, generating $6.7 million of cash. Thus, DMG sold 81% of the Bitcoin amount it generated, down from the prior quarter of selling 133% of the Bitcoin amount generated. Year-to-date, DMG has sold 508 Bitcoin, 86% of what it has mined. DMG hosting revenue declined 3% sequentially to $0.9 million, and we expect a more significant decline in the back half of calendar 2022 as we focus on expanding our self-mining capacity. That being said, we are eyeing specific strategic opportunities to provide hosting services for the purpose of expanding Terra Pool's network share. DMG has no debt, but we consider -- we continue to consider opportunities for raising debt, mainly to accelerate deployment in our Christina Lake mining facility of our immersion cooling technology, which we expect to cost in the range of $10 million to $15 million. Based on the benefits provided by immersion cooling, we expect the deployment to expand our hash rate to 1.4 exahashes from 1x. We believe immersion cooling provides a very capital-efficient way of growing our hash rate and, accordingly, Terra Pool's hash rate. Now for an update on our Core business. While we are developing immersion cooling technology that is proprietary, we're also leveraging developments that have already been field tested over the past 2 years. No project is easy to deploy at scale, but we believe we are mitigating technology risks through a combination of overengineering key components and minimizing system complexity. Also, as we have disclosed in our MD&A, DMG has selected a favored global manufacturing company for the immersion fluid to be used. As an update, our initial Christina Lake mining deployment is expected to occur before the end of this calendar year, at which time we'll provide more details regarding our technology implementation and scale-up time line. Regarding the expansion of our ASIC miner fleet, we will be very cautious to make capital commitments to expand our self-mining capacity until we have begun to scale up our immersion cooling capability. And thus, our CapEx through the first half of calendar 2023 should remain constrained, especially as the deposits for the remaining portion of our mining fleet not yet delivered should largely cover the final purchase price. As an update on our miner deliveries, we remain on track for installing 1 exahash of mining capacity by calendar year-end, and we have installed our first shipment of Bitmain's 140-terahash S19 XP in the past week. We have not changed our goal to exit calendar 2023 with 2 exahashes, but we believe this goal will be dependent on market conditions. Our expectation would be to utilize the newest available generation of mining silicon in immersion in the second half of calendar 2023 to achieve our goal. We expect to fit most or all of these 2 exahashes within our Christina Lake mining facilities' electrical capacity, although we continue to explore developing additional mining sites. Now for an update on Core+. Regarding our software business, we look to this as being our biggest long-term value generator. As we previously announced, we continue to recruit Terra Pool members to add to the announced charter members, DMG and Argo Blockchain. As an update from user feedback, DMG software team has been implementing upgrades to functionality of Terra Pool, which has led to a temporary pause in activity on Terra Pool. As these upgrades are planned to be completed in the near future, we expect to soon resume full mining operations on Terra Pool. While these changes may seem like a temporary setback, the pool's functionality will have improved and our target remains to grow Terra Pool to be 10% of the Bitcoin network. With Terra Pool, we seek to partner with the financial services industry to enable institutional funds interested in acquiring Bitcoin mined exclusively using carbon-neutral energy. We believe this development will be a primary catalyst to provide the appropriate rewards to miners creating Bitcoin using carbon-neutral energy. DMG is in discussion with multiple potential fund partners. We continue to invest in our core pool technology with Petra as a linchpin. As a reminder, Petra provides the capability for Terra Pool to filter in transactions from known good actors to build on top of our clean block mining. We continue to expect this effort to be complete by the end of calendar 2022. As forecasted on the last earnings call, we have begun to trade Bitcoin on the Bosonic network, which offers both a lower-cost and a lower-risk method for trading Bitcoin. As DMG invested $2 million into Bosonic over a year ago, we believed then in the promise of the Bosonic network and now even more so as we see the advantages in conducting our business. DMG plans to make it easy for other Terra Pool members to utilize the Bosonic network as well. We continue to utilize the Brane Vault technology. Currently, we are planning to utilize Brane's technology as a preferred partner in execution of our planned Breeze and Freeze wallets, which will be offered to Terra Pool members. With a compelling suite of mining-related and transactional technology offerings around Terra Pool, our goal remains to realize 1% net fees on each block mined through Terra Pool. By building an ecosystem that enables Terra Pool members to make more money, we believe we can make Terra Pool an attractive pool option in the future. I will now hand the call back to Sheldon to summarize our prepared comments and answer questions submitted to us prior to the call.
Sheldon Bennett
executiveGreat. Thank you, Steven. I just want to reiterate a few things that Steven said. There's a couple of points in the results we have. First, as a proxy for operating cash flow, operating margin less depreciation, stock-based compensation was 53% last quarter and it's expected to stay that way. So this is a strong number. A lot of people get turned off by the depreciation number and wonder if the company is actually making any money. But if you look at an operating cash flow basis, DMG is doing very well even at these depressed Bitcoin mining prices right now. Cash and BCC (sic) [ BTC ] on hand at the end of the quarter was $11.9 million with total assets of $106 million. So again, we're still in a very strong position as a company. Our order of 1 exahash is being delivered on -- mainly on time. We've had a couple of difficult months with Bitmain, but we've got over 70% of our 1 exahash up and running as of this call right now. We did mine 592 Bitcoins the first 3 quarters of the year, whereas last year, we only mined 89 Bitcoins in the whole year. So revenues from our Core+, including the mining pool revenue, we believe will start to increase with the growth of Terra Pool in the coming quarters. So those are some of the big points that I wanted to make clear on the results side, that DMG is in a strong position. We are not having really any significant issues with the low Bitcoin price. I see today, it was struggling to hit $20,000. For us -- nobody is happy with a Bitcoin price like that, but we do make enough margin on our mining costs and our operating costs that we are still in a very strong position.
Sheldon Bennett
executiveAnd I have a few questions that we've had sent in. Some of them seem to repeat themselves, but we'll try and get through a few with the remaining time. One is, why are we not seeing DMG's hash rate on the website? As Steven have alluded to, with some feedback we had on Terra Pool, the software developers have been making some changes. Well, they've been doing that. We've had all of the interconnection disconnected. So you're not seeing the hash rate popping up on our website because it is linked to Terra Pool directly. But this should be back up and running shortly as the software will be back running at 100% -- I'd like to say, 120% since we made some upgrades to the software to make the pool run better. Where are we at on immersion? Steve laid out a little bit about immersion already, but I just wanted to recap a few things that we've been saying in the past quarters. One, we originally were planning on doing immersion quicker than we have done it. This happened before we went out and bought an exahash. We were looking at putting immersion in when we had a much smaller fleet and it was much easier to do. Two things happened: one, COVID came and that slowed down some of our orders and really complicated what we -- the equipment we needed for Immersion; and two, we ended up ordering an exahash from Bitmain. And when we looked at the immersion side versus getting in and running an exahash, we decided to focus in on getting the order -- the large orders of Bitmain miners and running first and hatching right away. And then once we receive all the miners and had all the orders in and we're running our exahash hash, we would start to conversion over to immersion cooling. So saying all of that, we are now purchasing the long lead items, which now are not near as long lead as they used to be for our initial deployment at Christina Lake. We have done many iterations. We've tried many different dry coolers, different software on the miners. We've tried different fluids. We've done different speeds running the fluid. So there's been a lot of engineering that's been going on over the past 1.5 years, 2 years. And we're quite satisfied with our engineering and believe that later in the year, when we start putting together our first immersion tanks at Christina Lake and running them, it will be successful versus, I would say, some of the trials that we did where we learned a lot of lessons on how to improve immersion systems. Any plans to dilute equity shareholder base? We get this one, I think, every quarter. And again, it's the same answer. Right now, we don't see any reason to dilute shareholders. It's not on our agenda. We do look at potentially if it makes sense to raise capital through issuing debt. But with where the market is at and what's going on in the market,and the fact that we are cash flow positive, we don't see any reason why we would be looking at anything that would be dilutive to the shareholders right now. Your cash in BTC dropped. How much runway do you have? So yes, our balance dropped largely on the decline of the Bitcoin price. We do expect to be generating positive operating margins that will let us cover our operating expenses and any remainder minor CapEx that we need to put forward to Bitmain for the orders we have. As Steven said, it looks like our deposits are covering off the cost of those orders with the declining price of Bitcoin mining equipment right now. So right now, we don't see any issues on our runway and the amount of cash we have to run our operations. Miner prices have dropped a lot over the past quarter. Do you plan on purchasing more? So we're always kind of tactical in trying to buy miners. As many of you may remember, I was the first to go out and say that we're not interested in doing miner purchases unless there's at least a 12-month ROI. And we're still the same way. Plus right now, we're really focused in on completing the 1 exahash we have and then doing a conversion to immersion and moving us up to what we estimate to be 1.4 exahash. As we do that, if there are some great deals on equipment that would help us execute and reach our 2 exahash earlier, then we would take a look at that. But there are a lot of changes happening right now in the industry with some new technology coming out and a lot of questions around what will be the miner that will last through the next block happening. Obviously, we believe our fleet will. But there are some interesting products coming out there we're going to take a look at early next year and see if that's a better product than the j Pro or the XP. What is the status on us listing? So as I've said before, we've been working on a full Board. Things have been going slower than we like. But we have made some changes in our Board of Directors, which I think will help speed up this process. And as I've always said, we'll probably do a full Board listing and look with TSX Venture to the full TSX Board first and then be looking at doing a listing to the U.S. And we're getting some great advice from J.D. on some of the things we really need to look at from his past experience on the U.S. listing. But we're quite confident that over the next quarter or so, we'll make some better progress on this than we have in the past. Why does Petra keep getting delayed? Well, I don't know if it keeps getting delayed, but we've been saying that Petra would be ready to go sort of at the end of this calendar year. Petra is really focused on being part of the pool software, so they're sort of integrated in many ways. So as we've been making changes to the pool software, this actually impacts the deployment of Petra on the mainnet. So I've reported that Petra already works at testnet. We've done hundreds of transactions with it. But before we can put it on to a mainnet and have it at the level of security and quality for large finance institutions to use, we have a bit more testing to do. And we're quite -- we believe we're on target to do that by the end of the year. It's been over now a year since you invested in Black Box. Can you give us some update on Black Box? So Black Box is a valued partner of ours. It was a small investment that we put in to be an investor of Black Box. We only own a small part of it. But they've made us all sorts of equipments that we require at Christina Lake. As well, they've been building a lot of containers and containerized modules for companies that are close to DMG that we've introduced them to. So they have been doing quite well at that. They do, do their own e-house work as well, mainly for the mining industry in B.C. So they're busy guys. But the investment in them is really twofold: one, we didn't really think of it as a short-term investment, we saw it as a long-term investment; and two, it's really just to help us be able to accelerate when we need to on the manufacturing side. And so with the conversion of Christina Lake to immersion cooling, Black Box will be leading that. There's a lot of work to do in orders and supply chain management, in putting everything together and making sure it all works. And so that will be Black Box's job, and that will take it away from our team so we can focus on some of the other priorities we have and let Black Box worry about the sort of guts and parts of getting immersion to work for DMG. You spoke about you utilizing technology from your investment in Bosonic, but we haven't heard much. How do you realize -- how do you plan to utilize technology from training or [ INX ]? Okay. So I think I get the gist of this question. We did talk about Bosonic in the last call, and we do have this investment in the Bosonic network. We have actually started testing it, and there will be some more information coming out about the Bosonic platform and DMG's investment in it. But the most interesting thing about the Bosonic platform for us, and Steve alluded to this a little bit earlier, is that is -- it's sort of a self-service exchange where it's very low-cost and it's cross-custody settlement. And so we derisked anything happening to our coins because they sit in the custody account, not an exchange account. And we really like this system because we're not really putting coins at risk in how the trade is executed. And once that trade is executed, they go from custody to custody and they stay away from exchange. So we don't have to take on anybody that would have -- be lending our coins or leveraging our coins or having any kind of risk of financial hardship, as we've seen with some exchanges out there over the past few months. And so with this investment in Bosonic, we want to take that out and bring it to Terra Pool users to start with and let them take the advantage of the Bosonic network. So we also commented a bit on Brane. We are looking at their Vault technology. We've been very interested in that from day 1 as part of the technology that would run our wallets that we're focusing on the pool as well. And then with INX, we had some initial ideas of doing some tokenization with them. We've changed them around a little bit since we started talking to funds about coins coming out of Terra Pool. Instead of tokenizing them, we've been looking at moving them into funds. But we'll all see where things go with INX. We really like what they're doing on the government side and getting involved with some really interesting ways that they can use their technology platform in the regulatory and compliance area, which is sort of our sweet spot of technology as we focus mainly blocks here of technologies in that area. Other miners have been talking about Intel's Blockscale silicon. Does DMG have any plans? So first, we welcome any new interest into the Bitcoin mining area, especially into the ASIC area as it's been relatively dominated by Bitmain and MicroBT, you could say Canaan as well, although we haven't done much business with Canaan. And having Intel's name in there is great. But for us, we really want to see Intel have a few rounds of their chips out there with a few others, which goes well with our plan. I mean, our plan is to finish racking and running our 1 exahash with Bitmain and then convert it to immersion. And then we will be looking at, as we do that conversion to immersion, the next round of chips. And from a few discussions we've had with Intel, it sounds like our time line of when we believe our immersion will be sort of completing and we're looking to purchase new miners, Intel will be into another round of new chips. It could be a great time that we could be looking at whatever Intel has to offer. So we'll see what Intel's Blockscale has to offer Bitcoin miners, and we're hoping that they are a great new entrant. A lot of people understand the history of Bitmain, when they introduced the S19 -- or the S9, sorry, 5 years ago, maybe 6 years ago now, 16 nanometers. It was the clear industry technology leader at the time. And they moved now to the 5 nanometer, the S19. We've had some new entrants with MicroBT and Canaan that's grown. So we don't know where the chip business is going to go. But we do know that wherever it does go with whoever the big players end up being in the future, our future will be with immersion and whichever manufacturer is creating chips in units that bode well with immersion cooling. And then what do we have? Another question here. What partnerships is DMG working towards? So I think Steven sort of covered off one of these was we are working towards one or multiple partnerships to develop a carbon-neutral fund that would go hand-in-hand with Terra Pool so that those out there that are in private offices or in different institutions that want to get their hands on carbon-neutral Bitcoins would have a way to do this quite easily. So that's one major front that we're working on. And then the second one is just we have a very good long-term relationship with FortisBC. And we're working with FortisBC to look at some other things that we could be doing in their territory, potentially with new sites and developments with them and our electrical usage. And what are your top objectives to reach by calendar year-end? Our main objectives this quarter versus last don't really change. We do want to complete our 1 exahash deployment. We want to increase the amount of revenue coming through our Core+ software, which is mainly Terra Pool and Petra. We would like to bring on one or more funds to become buyers of Terra Pool's carbon-neutral coins. And we're going to continue on focusing on cash positive orders from our Bitcoin mining operations. I think that's about all we have for questions. Steven, do you have any other comments to make?
Steven Eliscu
executiveNo. It's just -- I think that was a really good summary of what is going on. And we have a bright future ahead. We have a very clear road map. That's what we want to execute. I think we're being very consistent in our messaging. And when I joined DMG, I knew Sheldon had put in place a really great strategy. It was really about execution, and that's what we're focused on and doing it in a way that we are very careful with how we spend shareholder money. We're going to be very careful in our spending. But we're also going to work with partners and really build, with Core and Core+, an amazing Bitcoin mining and software company. With that, I'll -- let's -- we should hand it back to Jules.
Jules Abraham
attendeeWell, actually, this concludes our call. I hand it back to the operator.
Operator
operatorThank you. The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.
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