DraftKings Inc. (DKNG) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
March 3, 2022
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Jason Robins
executiveGood morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us for DraftKings 2022 Virtual Investor Day. Today, we'll talk about a number of topics, including our latest TAM outlook, position, investment in product, unit economics and long-term EBITDA. I'll begin the presentation, then we'll hear from our CFO, Jason Park. We encourage you to submit your questions during today's event for the Q&A session. I'd also like to remind you that this presentation is subject to the legal disclaimers at the beginning of the deck, including those related to forward-looking statements and non-GAAP financial measures. Before we begin, I want to acknowledge the tragic situation unfolding in Ukraine. Our hearts, thoughts and prayers are with all Ukrainian residents as well as those living abroad with friends and family in Ukraine. We have made contributions to humanitarian organizations working in Ukraine, and we will continue to look for ways to provide support. With that, let's begin the presentation. We want to talk through 6 broad topics today. First, our updated view on TAM, where we're increasing our outlook from $67 billion for OSB and iGaming to $80 billion, which is comprised of a $4 billion increase in OSB, an $8 billion increase in iGaming and a $1 billion increase in Canada. These increases are due to impressive GGR per adult trends across live OSB and iGaming states. Second, our share also continues to be strong and in line with our long-term estimates for both OSB and iGaming. The industry structure is healthy and evolving the way that we thought with a handful of national operators and several other smaller regional players. We are live in states representing 36% of the U.S. population, more than any other operator, and our major competitive differentiators are shining through. We would also like to touch on some nuances with respect to state reporting and educate you on different ways to look at an operator share across states. Third, our strong share is driven by deep investment in our products, which we have continued to enhance rapidly through the past 12 months. While we won't be sharing much information on future product plans for competitive reasons, we are very excited by our road map for 2022. We continue to be encouraged by the underlying retention rates and cohort payback periods that drive our unit economics. We generated $68 million of positive contribution profit in New Jersey in 2021, only its third full year of operation. 5 of our states, including New Jersey, were contribution profit positive in FY 2021, and we anticipate 5 more states to become contribution profit positive in FY 2022. For purposes of clarity, contribution profit is defined as gross profit minus advertising spend or external marketing and does not include any fixed costs. Jason Park will have more detail on this topic and on unit economics later today. Our multiyear plan supports a path to 30%-plus EBITDA margins. And based on our TAM and share outlook, we believe there's a path to $2.1 billion of EBITDA once we reach 65% and 30% legalization for U.S. OSB and iGaming, respectively, and 64% legalization of the Canadian population. Lastly, we'd like to touch on our new verticals, specifically our NFT marketplace, which represents upside to our long-term EBITDA outlook of $2.1 billion. Starting with TAM. We estimate that the U.S. opportunity for OSB under the assumption of 100% legalization is at least $26 billion. If we apply New Jersey's 2021 actual GGR per adult of $107 per year to the 265 million adults in the U.S., the implied U.S. opportunity is already $28 billion. If we then apply a GDP per adult adjustment relative to that of the U.S. to control for state-level differences in discretionary income, we arrive at a $26 billion TAM estimate. For context, a $26 billion TAM estimate would imply GGR per adult of $98 per year. Also worth noting, this estimate does not include any assumed future growth for OSB in New Jersey after 2021. Having said that, we do think there is upside to this estimate. If we do the same exact analysis but apply a 10% CAGR on GGR per adult from 2021 to 2023, the U.S. OSB TAM is implied to be $34 billion using the population method and $31 billion using the GDP method. Investors frequently ask if New Jersey is a good state from which to extrapolate. From this chart, you can see why we believe that New Jersey is a reasonable point of extrapolation, especially when adjusting for GDP per adult. When looking at New Jersey's first NFL season and comparing it to our other states' first NFL season, New Jersey gross revenue per adult is actually below that of the other 10 states and would be even lower if adjusted for GDP per adult. Using the same U.S. TAM methodology for iGaming as we did for OSB, we arrive at a $52 billion TAM using the population method and a $48 billion TAM using the GDP method. For context, this would imply GGR per adult of $197 per year and $180 per year for each of these 2 methods, respectively. $197, of course, was the actual GGR per adult in New Jersey in 2021. As with OSB, this TAM sizing does not include any future growth. It just takes the current size of New Jersey today as an extrapolation point. If we do the same analysis but apply a 10% CAGR on GGR per adult per year from 2021 to 2023, the U.S. iGaming TAM is implied to be $63 billion and $58 billion using the population method and GDP method, respectively. As with OSB, we are sometimes asked if New Jersey is a good state from which to extrapolate the iGaming TAM. From this chart, you can see that New Jersey is also a reasonable point of extrapolation for iGaming. When looking at New Jersey, 6 full year of iGaming, which was 2019 and comparing it to other states 2021 iGaming numbers, New Jersey's gross revenue per capita is actually below that of the other 3 states without even adjusting for GDP. For context, 2021 was either the first or second full year of iGaming for all of the other states in this comparison. Updating on legalization trends. We now sit at 55% of the country having legalized sports betting with 44% legalizing online sports betting compared to 41% and 27% a year ago, which means that 17% of the U.S. population had sports betting legalized in the last 12 months. Of the 44% of the population that is legalized online sports betting, 38% have live OSB, and we believe the remaining 6% will have live OSB in due time. DraftKings is now live in 36% of the U.S. population for OSB versus 25% a year ago. iGaming is now legal in 7 states, representing 13% of the U.S. population if you include poker-only states. And DraftKings is live in 5 of these states representing 11% of the U.S. population. The last 12 months have seen continued strong momentum with OSB laws passed in states, as mentioned before, representing 17% of the U.S. population. Additionally, 2 states representing 4% of the U.S. population, Michigan and Connecticut, launched iGaming in 2021. The legislative momentum we are seeing in Canada is also encouraging, and it looks like Ontario will launch both OSB and iGaming soon. We believe that the Canadian opportunity could be up to $9 billion in gross revenue extrapolating off of New Jersey using the population method and $6 billion of gross revenue when using the GDP method. As with our U.S. estimates, this does not include any future growth. If we apply a 10% CAGR from '21 to '23, TAM estimates for Canada increased to $11 billion in gross revenue and $8 billion in gross revenue using the population and GDP methods respectively. Next, I would like to talk about OSB and iGaming share. It has certainly been an eventful year in terms of launches and new operators entering the space. Having said that, our share continues to be very strong and, in most states, has been increasing despite competition. We want to invest a bit of time here in helping our shareholders understand state reports. It is important to remember that these reports are tax reports put out by various states. There are reporting nuances across each state report, which makes these reports an imperfect measure of operator-level share and makes comparisons difficult. The 4 main factors you need to consider when analyzing a state share report are: number one, state reports have a wide range of transparency. Nearly half of the states we operate OSB in do not provide operator-specific metrics, and only 4 of our 17 states report net gaming revenue by operator. Number two, almost all states report GGR on a cash-in, cash-out basis, which can impact monthly results because of unsettled futures bets. Number three, promotions are accounted for differently on a state-by-state basis with certain types of promotions obfuscating operator-level GGR. And finally, total opportunity is defined differently by different sources, which I'll explain in a couple of slides. This hodgepodge of visibility makes it difficult for our investors to know our share. Since all states report out at least handle in GGR for the state, we're able to calculate our handle in GGR share with much more precision internally albeit still with some of the limitations mentioned. We will share these numbers in a few slides. Also, on Page 50 of the appendix, we provided an overview on how each individual state that as OSB currently reports OSB data, which should be a helpful resource. We also want to shed light on the analytical difficulty hold presents when calculating state-reported GGR share. As we have discussed on prior earnings calls, the promotional mix and operator uses can impact state reported GGR and, therefore, obfuscate an operator's true share. On this page, we present a simple example of an illustrative state that has only 2 operators. Each operator has identical handle share of 50% identical net revenue. However, operator 1 only uses free bets for promotions, while operator 2 only uses profit and odds boost for promotions. Despite having the same handle share in net revenue, operator 1's GGR share is 65%, while operator 2's is only 35%. This is, of course, only a theoretical example, but it does illustrate some of the limitations of relying on state-provided data in determining share. We certainly understand that investors will continue to use state reports as a tool in understanding industry structure despite these limitations. We are providing these explanations as additional context so that those who are analyzing state reports can better judge what conclusions to draw and with what level of confidence. As mentioned earlier, industry share is defined differently at different times by different sources. This slide highlights a few of the primary examples of how we have seen different sources defining the denominator for share. The first example is the simplest, total U.S. share for all states with online sports betting. The second example shown calculate share across all states, excluding Nevada. Unless otherwise noted, this is the way DraftKings typically calculates our share. The final example calculates share in only states in which an operator is live. In the interest of transparency, we have shown our OSB handle and GGR share and our iGaming GGR share for all 3 methods. For method 1, our OSB handle share is 28%, our GGR share is 24% and our iGaming share for GGR is 19%. Using method 2, the numbers are 32%, 25% and 19%. And using method 3, the number is around to the same levels of 32%, 25% and 19%. Note that these iGaming GGR shares include poker revenues and do not include contribution from GNOG share. GNOG iGaming shares for Q4 were 4%, 4% and 6%, using methodologies 1, 2 and 3, respectively. Now that we have discussed share, we want to shift to OSB industry structure, using state gaming reports and third-party estimates from Eilers & Krejcik. The 3 leading scale operators typically account for about 80% of GGR. In fact, on a population weighted average basis, the top 3 operators accounted for 84% of U.S. OSB GGR in Q4. As you can see, there are typically 3 players who have the marketing, brand and product capabilities needed to consistently access and drive share across U.S. states and jurisdictions. As was the case at our last Investor Day, DraftKings is currently operating in more states than any other competitor, which is the result of the collaborative effort across several very strong functions at the company. These include government affairs, business development, compliance, product and technology. Additionally, as we have discussed in the past, being live in more states will provide significant marketing and, thus, CAC advantages as scaled operators benefit from cheaper national advertising spend. We are just starting to see the effects of that now begin to take place. Over the past few years, we have continued to strengthen our 9 keys to sustainable differentiation. As shown in the following pages, we will continue to build on these points of differentiation through product and technology as well as marketing and brand. Broadly speaking, our OSB product road map for 2022 can be divided into 4 main buckets, in other words, what we call the 4 Cs. These cut across our products: number one, control; number two, content; number three, connectivity; and number four, customer experience. Control is in reference to controlling our own product destiny through vertical integration. A great example of why control is so important is our 99.99% site uptime since migration. This is especially important around key events like the Super Bowl. Content is all about having differentiated offerings. In the following slides, I will share some of the iGaming and OSB content that we rolled out in 2021. Connectivity is about creating an integrated ecosystem for skin in the game fans. A great tangible example of our product connectivity is having a single wallet across all of our products and across all states. This makes for a more seamless product experience for our customers and has proven to be especially important as more states legalize OSB across the U.S. Lastly, customer experience ties to our obsession with the customer. High-quality products that are easy to use, top-notch customer service and a relentless focus on always getting better drive our team day in and day out. We are always looking for ways to delight our customers, remove friction and make each customer's experience personalized and unique. IGaming is a great example of how we've been able to differentiate from our competition when we own our own technology platform. Our in-house DKI Gaming Studio has been able to create 51 total games to date. And collectively, these games have generated about 60% of our handle in 2021. DK Rocket is a great example of a game we have launched that is truly differentiated from our competitors. This is exciting because the DK iGaming Studio not only creates a better customer experience for our players but also drives better gross margins for the business by reducing costs associated with usage of third-party games. Now that we are fully migrated onto our in-house technology for OSB, our main focus over the past 6 months has been content expansion, where we are very pleased with the progress we have been making. Some of the highlights from the back half of 2021 include the launch of same-game parlays and in-game micro markets as well as significant expansion of our player props. We also have a very exciting road map for 2022, a year in which we believe we will increase our differentiation more significantly than ever before as it will be the first year that we've had a full year entirely operating on our in-house sports betting platform. One of the most exciting initiatives for 2022 is continuing to build out our OSB product social functionality, including many exciting new features such as integration of user-generated video. Finally, I'd now like to take a minute to bring it all together before moving on to the unit economics section. Regarding our share assumptions, we are not changing our long-term estimate of 20% to 30% for OSB but we are updating our iGaming estimate to 20% to 25% due to the expected completion of the Golden Nugget Online gaming acquisition. In Canada, where there is already an existing gray market of expected future licensees, we are assuming a lower share in the 10% to 20% range. We then coupled these assumptions with previously discussed TAM assumptions plus an assumed legalization rate of 65% for U.S. OSB and a 30% legalization rate for U.S. iGaming and a 64% legalization rate for both OSB and iGaming in Canada. Putting this all together, we estimate a potential range of $6.3 billion to $8.7 billion in U.S. gross revenue and $400 million to $800 million in Canadian gross revenue for a total of $6.7 billion to $9.5 billion in gross revenue across North American OSB and iGaming.
Jason Park
executiveThank you, Jason, for that update on TAM, share and industry structure as well as on product. This next chapter is all about DraftKings' path to profitability. Our path to enterprise profitability is very simple, moving left to right across the top here. First, we invest to acquire cohorts of customers within a state such that the gross profit generated from those cohorts over 2 to 3 years exceeds the acquisition cost. We refer to this as gross profit payback periods. Second, each unit or state turns contribution profit positive 2 to 3 years after launch as those customer cohorts stack on top of each other, and our marketing within that state decreases to reflect the number of remaining customers that are available to acquire at good paybacks. We refer to this as states turning contribution profit positive. Third, as DraftKings has more states than, to be precise, more population that are in their second or third year versus their first or second year, then the cumulative contribution profit across our states turns positive and sets us on a great path to enterprise profitability. We refer to this as cumulative contribution profit. Starting with gross profit payback periods. Today, we will share several things: a, a very clear equation to align on the definition of this metric and where promotions hit the equation; b, empirical evidence of our strong customer and revenue retention; c, a description of why we think we have the best retention in the industry; d, an explanation of how gross margin rate naturally improves for a customer cohort over time due primarily to promotional intensity for new versus existing customers; and e, a walk-through of how you can calculate for yourself our gross profit payback periods for each of our LTM periods based on our disclosures for MUPS, external marketing investment; ARPMUP, gross margin rate, customer retention and revenue retention. In terms of state contribution profit, we will share an update on New Jersey, which beat both top and bottom line versus what we communicated a year ago as well as the great news that 5 of our earlier states turned contribution profit positive in fiscal year 2021, and we expect 5 more to turn positive in 2022. You can now effectively model our business on an annual cohort methodology to accurately estimate our future revenue, gross profit and contribution profit. And in terms of cumulative contribution profit, we will share how our cumulative contribution profit was still negative in 2021 due to us being only roughly 3 years since the overturn of PASPA and the population weighted average of our states as of year-end 2021 being just 1.5 years, but that in 2022, the cumulative contribution profit flips positive and will very likely stay positive from this point onwards. Once the population weighted average age of our states is greater than 3 years, you would expect us to have meaningful positive contribution profit. At the end of this chapter, we will also share an important recent observation that is changing how we think about state launches and should impact how you model our business. Put simply, we are acquiring more customers faster in recent states relative to what we saw in New Jersey. The net effect of this is that we are acquiring customers more efficiently on a per customer basis and the total marketing investment earlier in the state is deeper today than versus the New Jersey prototype we introduced at our 2020 Analyst Day. We are effectively pulling forward marketing to invest more for a bigger business. Let's invest a few minutes into aligning on the definition of gross profit payback. Put simply, gross profit payback is the number of years before the gross profit generated by a customer cohort is greater than the investment to acquire that cohort. The upfront acquisition investment for an LTM cohort is easy to know as we can calculate that factually for any given LTM period. It is simply the amount of external marketing we invested in a period, which has historically been in the high 70% to low 80% of total S&M expense. And this year, we expect it to be in the low 70s as we continue to invest in our fit sales and marketing and mix into more efficient national media spend. The future gross profit generated by that customer cohort is a function of our strong customer retention and revenue retention as well as the gross margin rate. And gross margin rate is impacted heavily by promotional intensity. Typically, we see gross margins for year 1 of roughly 35%, moving to 45% in year 2 and then roughly 50% in year 3. We will get into why this gross margin expansion occurs later in the deck. As a reminder, we count promotional activity in the gross margin portion of this equation. And lastly, of course, player LTVs are much higher than just 3 years of gross profit, but we manage customer acquisition for the business on a 3-year basis. On this next page, you can see that our customer and revenue retention is stellar. This page shows that after we acquire, say, 100 customers in a quarter, that 83 of them are still with us over their first full year, 88% of the 83 are still with us in their second year and 96% of the 73 are still with us after their third year. This trend of improving customer retention rates is fairly intuitive. If a customer has decided to continue to engage with this product category and has chosen DraftKings as their app of choice, after 2 years, they are very likely to stay. The right-hand side is even more important and shows that the revenue of the retained players more than makes up for the customer attrition. So if those initial customers we acquired generated $100 in their first full year, the entire cohort of players, including those who churn generated $122 in the second year and $143 in the third year, meaning that the revenue per retained player grew 39% and 49% in year 2 and year 3, respectively. For the avoidance of doubt, the $122 and $143 is only from the retained players. This trend is also fairly intuitive. You are seeing the effect of decreased promotional intensity impacting net revenue as well as general enjoyment driving frequency. We often get the question of how retention differs in OSB-only states compared to OSB and iGaming states. This page is the same analysis as the previous page but for OSB-only cohorts. Admittedly, a smaller sample size, but we wanted to share the data that is available. As you can see on this page, both customer retention and revenue retention are remarkably similar across the 2 pages. In fact, both metrics are slightly better for OSB-only cohorts. Retention is very important to our gross profit paybacks. Investing in acquisition only makes sense if you can keep your customers. And we think we are uniquely strong at retention due to a variety of factors, most notably, the quality of our products. It starts with acquiring the right customers. Our marketing team uses data science to target customers that fit our desired profile instead of just acquiring customers for the sake of acquiring customers. Once the customer is on the DraftKings B2C platform, we aim to provide the best experience on their end-to-end customer journey. This includes great customer experience for any questions they have as they are getting familiar with our products as well as a myriad of factors that are consistent with our internal value of putting customers first. We are also always looking for opportunities to cross-sell our acquired customers, both across products, for example, from DFS to OSB, from OSB to iGaming, from marketplace to OSB and across sports, for example, from PGA to NASCAR, from NFL to college basketball. This drives frequency in play and player engagement. Last, but most importantly, we are always innovating on our products. We believe product will always win in the long run, and DraftKings is dedicated to listening to our customers and anticipating their desires and building what they want. And gross margin rate of the retained revenue is very important as well. Promotional activity impacts gross margin rate and promotional reinvestment is highest when a player is new to the platform and naturally declines for a customer cohort over time as other retention factors drive their decision around where to concentrate their play. Much of our cost of goods sold is tied to gross revenue, including promotions. Therefore, as promotional rates decrease, gross margin rate increases. Additionally, we are achieving gross margin rate improvement from operational initiatives such as getting volume discounts from certain platform providers and building more in-house games. Finally, in this section around gross profit payback periods, we want to help our investors see what we know to be true about our relatively short payback periods. By using our disclosures on MUPs, external marketing, ARPMUP, gross margin rate, customer retention and revenue retention, you can validate that each of our last 4 LTM periods had payback periods of 2 to 3 years. For our last 4 LTM periods, you can model our payback period for the customers acquired in that period. By taking our disclosed MUPs for that LTM period and comparing to the same period from the prior year and applying a customer retention rate, you can get a year-over-year change in MUPs, the numerator here. Then, dividing by a frequency assumption, how often during the year an average player engages, you can arrive at a number of new actives acquired in that period. Then by taking our sales and marketing expense for that period and applying a percentage to account for the relevant variable acquisition spend and dividing by the actives acquired, you can get our CPA or CAC for that LTM cohort. Note that over the last 4 LTM periods, our variable acquisition marketing spend was 77% to 81% of our total marketing spend and, on average, was 79%. It has historically been in the high 70% to low 80% of total S&M expense. This year and going forward, we expect it to be in the low 70s as we continue to invest in our fixed S&M and mix into more efficient national media spend on an adjusted EBITDA basis. Finally, by taking our ARPMUP and applying the same frequency used in step #1 and applying our reported gross margin rate for the LTM period, you can arrive at an approximate annual gross margin generation for that cohort. From that, you can compare the CAC for that cohort to the gross profit generation for that cohort and arrive at an approximate payback period. It's worth noting that we do not disclose the frequency of our players, but this variable cancels itself out when calculating gross profit payback periods. Whatever frequency used for MUPs needs to be the same frequency you use for ARPMUP. This page applies the equations from the prior page to our last 4 LTM periods. As you can see, our payback periods for an acquired cohort are consistently between the 2- to 3-year payback periods we target. The great thing about this framework is that it allows you to consistently monitor the efficacy of our marketing spend by estimating our payback periods for an LTM cohort. Right now, we are investing at payback periods that are greater than 3 years for the New York golden cohorts. This spend is with the hope that New York will rationalize its tax rate going forward. Given this, you can expect the math outlined on this page to slightly exceed 3 years in Q1 and Q2 of this year. If it becomes clear that the tax rate in New York will not change, we will adjust our acquisition marketing spend in the state accordingly. For a more detailed view of this analysis, refer to Page 46 in the appendix. Now that we have the building blocks for customer cohort gross profit paybacks, it should be fairly simple to understand how we expect states or units to turn contribution profit positive after 2 to 3 years. As we stack those customer cohorts on top of each other and, very importantly, as total marketing expense declines to match the number of available customers that can be acquired at the 2- to 3-year gross profit payback threshold, states turn profitable. On this page, you can see that in fiscal year 2021, we had 5 states that were contribution profit positive, and we expect 5 more to turn positive in fiscal year 2022 for a total of 10 states, representing 18.7% of the population, while the remaining 17.4% of the population will still be in the investment phase in 2022. On a population weighted average, our states were 1.5 years old at year-end. When our average exceeds 3 years, we expect significant contribution profit. Here's an update on New Jersey, our oldest state. New Jersey generated $68 million of contribution profit in 2021. Net revenue grew $86 million, while contribution profit grew $60 million, beating our top and bottom line estimates from last year, and contribution profit rate improved from 5% to 28%. In 2022, we expect to see continued meaningful top line growth as we still have young cohorts, and we expect contribution profit to grow at a faster rate than revenue as we continue to realize operating leverage in the state. More specifically, this operating leverage comes from gross margin improvement and from marketing spend decreasing as a percentage of net revenue and on an absolute basis. While you have New Jersey state data from the prior page, and we still believe that it is useful for explanatory purposes, it is important to note that we have learned a lot since the New Jersey launch, and newer states are behaving differently. As you can see from this page, the pace at which we are acquiring new customers has massively increased from August 2018, when we launched New Jersey to today. This page compares New Jersey OSB to Arizona OSB customer acquisition on a population-adjusted basis. We are acquiring more customers faster than we had originally thought approximately 2 years ago. The effect of this is that we are acquiring customers more efficiently on a per customer basis, and the total marketing expense earlier in the state is deeper. And the great thing is that as we look at quality and early retention indicators, these cohorts are just as high performing as others and are very much on track to pay back in 2 to 3 years. By way of comparison, over our first 2 quarters in Arizona, we acquired approximately 3.5% of the state's adult population. In New Jersey's first 2 quarters, we only acquired about 1.3% of the state's adult population. This explains why our sales and marketing investment in fiscal year 2021 may have looked big. However, the spend was more than justified given that more customers joined the DraftKings platform faster than ever before, and the foundational customer and state economics were excellent. On the left-hand side of this page, you can see that we had negative cumulative contribution profit in 2021. Yes, we had states and products that had positive contribution profit, but those were outweighed by newer states where we were still investing. On the right-hand side, you can see that we expect our cumulative contribution profit to be positive in 2022, which is an amazing milestone. As I mentioned on our earnings call, we expect to generate positive contribution profit for the entire 2022 year across all of the states where we are live today. I really hope this was a helpful discussion on our customer and state economics and gives you further confidence in our path to profitability. Now I will turn it back to Jason Robins to discuss our long-term enterprise economics. Specifically, he will discuss our cost structure at scale, including our long-term gross margin, external marketing spend and SG&A and why we have conviction in a greater than 30% EBITDA margin at maturity.
Jason Robins
executiveThank you, Jason. This next chapter is about our long-term EBITDA, which we define as 5 years after the final state launches representing 65% OSB legalization and 30% iGaming legalization. It is worth noting that at that point, we expect that our top line will still be growing at an attractive rate given ongoing positive revenue retention, and there may still be additional state launches in the future that provide more upside to the TAM and the top line. This slide updates our expected gross margin rate for OSB and iGaming. You can see that we now estimate an at-maturity gross margin rate of 56% versus the 58% we presented last year. The driver of this reduction is the current tax regime in New York as the methodology we use includes all legal OSB states with multiple operators weighted by population. This was partially offset by a 1% improvement in each of 2 other categories, payment processing and revenue share. These reflect the same actuals using the same method. Please note that there is upside to this gross margin rate if other large states legalize OSB and/or iGaming at a lower tax rate than the average shown here, and there is downside if large states set tax rates higher. While we will continue to focus on incremental improvements in other categories of COGS, state tax rates have the largest impact on long-term gross margins. That said, there are other levers we can pull outside of COGS in any given state to drive a long-term EBITDA margin that is consistent with what we have shown previously. We understand that it may be counterintuitive that our external marketing spend at maturity will be lower than it is today. But it is important to understand that marketing spend does not scale with revenue or active customers but is instead a function of customer acquisition. At maturity, we will be acquiring fewer customers than we are today, which is something that we have already experienced when we only offered a DFS product. Over 90% of the decrease from current external marketing expense to at-maturity external marketing expense we believe will be due simply to an assumption that customer acquisition at maturity will have slowed from the current early phase of the industry. The remainder of the decrease is attributable to optimizing CACs. Most of this CAC optimization comes from a mix into more efficient national advertising from local advertising. Additionally, as the industry matures and customer acquisition growth slows, we believe new customer LTVs will be lower than early cohorts, which will naturally lead to cuts being made in our highest CAC channels while leaving more efficient channels in place. DraftKings is constantly testing and optimizing across the business. And with more data and more time, our analytics team is better able to optimize marketing spend. That said, we have assumed very little benefit from this given that over 90% of the planned decrease between now and at maturity is expected to come simply from less customer acquisition. Our fixed costs, or SG&A, have grown at a roughly 40% CAGR since 2019. This was part of a multiyear plan to rapidly scale certain functions to create competitive advantages in key areas such as product, engineering, data science, analytics and marketing. After FY 2022, we expect the growth rate of SG&A to begin to ramp down. We will, of course, continue to invest in our product as well as in new initiatives, but we believe the core OSB and iGaming businesses will not require the rapid addition of personnel to expand into newly launched states and provinces. Lastly, it is important to note that our long-term SG&A structure is very much in line with global at-scale online gaming players. We are currently planning to spend a mid- to high-teens percentage of revenue on fixed costs over the long term. Bringing it all together, we are increasing our long-term adjusted EBITDA guidance to $2.1 billion from $1.7 billion. The increase is due to the conviction we have as a result of our revised TAM estimates and our continued strong position in both OSB and iGaming. As a reminder, these long-term economics are estimated for 5 years after the U.S. reaches 65% OSB legalization and 30% iGaming legalization across the population and 64% legalization across the Canadian population. Additionally, this estimate for long-term EBITDA does not include any revenue or costs associated with projected GNOG synergies or any upside from any other new initiatives such as Marketplace and Media. Achievement of any projected GNOG synergies is subject to the closing of the previously announced acquisition of GNOG. One example where the company may have additional upside is our NFT marketplace, which launched in the back half of 2021. NFTs are a rapidly growing category that crosses over nicely with DraftKings core demographic. As you can see from the stats on this page, we are very encouraged by early results, validating our belief that non-gaming products can eventually become a meaningful component of our CAC-to-LTV flywheel. While it is very early in the development of the NFT industry, the rapid growth cannot be ignored and potentially points to a very large TAM. It is also important to note that both the users and sales numbers on the bottom half of this page underestimate the current industry size given that Cryptoslam, the source for this data, only tracks owner-to-owner secondary sales and does not include initial sales from the content creators. Some industry research suggests that the total NFT industry in 2021 was north of $40 billion in GMV when accounting for all sales. Thank you for your time and interest in our presentation. We will now take a short break an return for Q&A in about 15 minutes. 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Jason Robins
executiveWelcome back, everyone. We're ready to begin the QA session -- Q&A session. Please remember to continue to submit questions throughout. We'll try to get to as many of them as we can. Joe, we're ready for the first question.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveFirst question is, can you comment on the status of collecting signatures for the California ballot initiative in 2022?
Jason Robins
executiveSo as a reminder, we have a California ballot initiative that we've formed a consortium with 7 total operators. And if we're able to gather the required number of signatures, we'll be on the ballot this fall and hopefully pass. And right now we're doing great against our target. We continue to exceed our goal for 8 straight weeks. We've been ahead of our weekly goal. So feeling like we're going to get there, and very excited about the prospect of hopefully being on the ballot this fall.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveCould you update us on your DFS business? How large is it today? Is it still growing? And how much of that is customer driven versus spending?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, we haven't broken out specific DFS volumes. But in the past, we've stated it's in the hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue. It's a very high-margin business, and it is still growing. And the growth is coming from a combination of spend and new customers being added.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveHow do you expect Canadian betting habits to differ? And do you account for that in your projections for the Canadian opportunity?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, Canada is a very similar country in many ways the U.S. Obviously, there's differences as well. But being our largest trade partner and very close in proximity, very similar culturally, we expect it to be a similar type of market. And right now, we haven't accounted for any differences. Obviously, once we get some real data, we'll adjust up or down appropriately. But right now, we don't have any real data or evidence to suggest that we should be accounting for Canada differently than any of the U.S. states.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveLooking at your TAM analysis, with New Jersey being the reference point, can you comment on expectations for growth in New Jersey OSB in 2022, especially considering the launch of New York? Do you want to take that one, Jason?
Jason Park
executiveSure. We think -- underlying that question is a question around cannibalization between New York and New Jersey. I'd mentioned that we are one of the few operators that are also live in Pennsylvania and Connecticut. And we stood up multiple teams early on to measure cannibalization with different methodologies. And the punchline is, so far, the cannibalization has been quite minimal. So we think New Jersey will continue to be a healthy grower, and we'll continue to track the cannibalization.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveHow does profitability across iGaming versus OSB compare long term in your view? Are you seeing anything within states now that inform the view of profitability long term for iGaming versus OSB?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, from a gross profit perspective -- gross margin, I should say, perspective, iGaming and OSB are remarkably similar, very similar cost structure on the COGS side. I think in terms of profitability, we don't really break out marketing spend in that way because we look at ourselves as a B2C platform. We acquire customers on using whatever the most efficient means is. Sometimes that's iGaming. Sometimes that's sports betting. And then we try to cross-sell the products that we have once we have a customer engaged with the platform. So we really look at it from a gross margin perspective. It's quite similar. That said, as we noted in our presentation, we believe if there are a full legalization or equivalent legalization, the TAM for iGaming is bigger. And therefore, it would be a higher profit product overall. But right now, we're not projecting iGaming to have the same level of legalization as OSB in the short to midterm.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveThe gamified NFT collection with the NFL seems like a really significant opportunity. Can you talk through how this will work? Is it traditional fantasy football where you can only play with players you own?
Jason Robins
executiveIt's very similar to that. Right now we are diligently working on having a product rate to launch in the next few months. So I don't want to upset my product team by giving away too much. But the question, is it similar to fantasy sports? It is, and it does require ownership of NFTs in order to play certain players. So it should be a game that's relatively familiar. There will be some differences but should be relatively familiar with the added twist of you collect NFTs. And those NFTs can be used to play in the games, and you can win prizes using them.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveWhat do you think are the biggest drivers of faster customer acquisition in new states? Is there a halo effect of legalized gaming becoming more mainstream? Or is it marketing tactics?
Jason Robins
executiveI think this is a somewhat speculative answer, and I want to kind of caveat that, that we don't really know all the underlying drivers. Certainly, there's some optimization we've been able to do on the marketing that's allowed us to go to market in a more effective way. I think learned a lot since the first few states that has increased our level of performance at a higher level of scale. I do think there is a lot of momentum as more states legalized, there's more press coverage, more people have friends in various states that are betting. And I think that's really helped get early adoption up. And then lastly, I think that, ironically, because we always get asked about this as a negative thing. I think the influx of spend from competitors has actually helped boost awareness in the overall market. And we feel that we have a very strong conversion funnel. We know how to target and to convert effectively with our advertising. But I think the halo of increased awareness from all the competitive advertising and the surrounding coverage has actually helped ramp markets faster.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveCan you provide an update on your plans to accept crypto as a form of payment?
Jason Robins
executiveRight now we don't have a definitive update. It's certainly something that we're exploring and looking at. I understand it's something that many of our customers want. And also with our NFT marketplace, it's something that's very relevant there as well. So it's definitely something we're looking at. And when we have more to share there, we'll do so.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveCan you talk about your EBITDA burn? Do you have enough cash to get to cash flow positive?
Jason Robins
executiveYes. So if there's anything I want people to take away from today's presentation, it's 3 things. One is the playbook is working. Two is that we have to -- if we execute that playbook, we are able to get to profitability. And third is that we have more than sufficient capital on the balance sheet in order to execute that playbook. So the short answer is yes. And we have a multiyear plan we're executing against that should allow us with cushion to be able to get profitable without changing our playbook at all.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveCan you remind us what is included in contribution profit? And how do you delineate external versus nonexternal marketing expense?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, external marketing expense is essentially advertising. Nonexternal marketing expense includes things like the people that manage campaigns, the creative folks who design the creative, tools and other sorts of services that we use in order to conduct analytics and optimize the marketing, things like that. So that's the simple way to think about it.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveHow do you handicap the competitive environment in Canada for OSB?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, obviously, Canada has had a gray market for many, many years. Ontario has indicated that their intent is to license those who've been operating in the gray. So I expect it to be a pretty competitive market from the get-go because there's so many that are already in there, and those are the very same people that we're competing with in the U.S. with the difference being, in the U.S. when the state launches, everybody is kind of starting from the same place. So that's the reason that we projected lower market share. We projected 50% of the market share on the low end and about 2/3 of the market share in the high end that we are getting in the U.S. And the reason for that is that while we feel we will have a very competitive product, we think that we do have really strong brand and database due to our DFS presence in Ontario for many, many years. The fact of the matter is that sports book is not a new product. iGaming is not a new product in the market and the very same operators have been doing it will be able to continue to do it as far as we see. So we're being a little bit more cautious about what kind of market share we can project taking. Hopefully, there's some upside there, but we won't know until we get in.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveWhen do you think New York will be profitable? Can you offer any color on that state?
Jason Robins
executiveWhat we've said pretty consistently is that we are targeting a 2- to 3-year payback in every new state. Some may be closer to -- or excuse me, 2 to 3-year path to profitability in every new state. Some may be closer to 2. Some may be closer to 3. Hard to say because each state has its own dynamics, but we believe New York will fall in that same 2- to 3-year time horizon.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveLooking at your retention rates and your investments in customer acquisition, are you able to determine how many apps your customers use, say, after a year?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, if we're talking about competitor apps, we certainly have survey data talking about that. The indications that we see are that during the trial phase, especially with a lot of the very generous offers that some of our competitors have put out there, there's certainly been a lot of trial. But what we found is that customers tend to stick with where they get the best experience, where they feel the best product is. I think our CRM and our data science that allows us to personalize and retain at very high levels is effective as well. And it shows up in the numbers, as we showed in the presentation, we have very high year 1 retention, very high year 2 retention. And once you get past 2 years, it's almost 100%. So we've seen very strong retention numbers. And I think even though it's survey-based, it's not quite the same as if it's our own hard transactional data. We do have indications to suggest that while there is trial in the early phases, people tend to focus and stick with 1 app. And that seems to be consistent despite any state differences, despite any differences in competitive environment. That sort of effect seems to be very consistent.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveCan you talk about the impact to your 2022 guidance if MLB cancels the season?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, MLB is an important sport for us. From a customer acquisition standpoint, it's a decent sport, not one of the biggest. But given so many games, it is an important monetization support. That said, what we've seen in the past is that when there is certain sports that -- we saw this with some of the schedule shifting around during the early days of COVID following it, people who want to bet tend to find things to bet on. Are there people that would maybe prefer to bet on MLB? Of course, but as long as there's other things, I think, generally speaking, most customers find things to bet on. That said, there will be an effect. Will it be the same as saying let's just deduct whatever money we would have made off of MLB? No, because as I said, there will be some transfer into other sports, into other products. But there will be some effect if there's a cancellation. We don't have any reason to believe there will be a cancellation. Right now, there's only been a couple of series that our team canceled. Now if that's all that happens, we don't expect to have any material impact. We think that the guidance we've issued is unchanged. So we'll just have to wait and see. But our hope certainly is that there is not a long-term cancellation. And I think it would be a very unfortunate thing for baseball and for the players if the whole season got canceled. And I'm confident that they both know that, and they'll make sure that, that doesn't happen.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveCan you discuss your ramp in product and technology investment in 2022? What are the key buckets of where that investment is going?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, our bulk -- the bulk of our investment is going towards our OSB and iGaming products. That's where our largest growth in revenue sources are. And while we're very bullish on some of our other products that are new, like media and marketplace, we're managing those in a way where the investments are not going to get ahead of the revenue. So we're running those at or close to breakeven, and we'll see how things go and if more investments merited. Certainly, we are putting resources against them though. As noted, we expect meaningful revenue from marketplace and for media this year. So we are putting some investment there. But the very large bulk of it is going to OSB and iGaming. And we're still investing in our DFS product. Now that product is also generating a lot more gross profit than -- by far, than the marketing expense and fixed expense we're spending on it. But we are still investing there. We've added to different features and different game types. And that's part of why that product has continued to be growthful.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveCan you share any thoughts on Pennsylvania still being contribution profit negative and what may turn that around? Is it just the tax regime?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, there's a couple of things there, but I think it's less about the tax regime and more about the timing. So we didn't launch Pennsylvania OSB until after the start of the 2019 NFL season. We missed the most important customer acquisition phase. Obviously, Super Bowl was good, but that beginning of the season customer acquisition phase. We also didn't launch iGaming in Pennsylvania until middle of the following year, until middle of 2020. So in many ways, if you look at sort of the average start date by -- if you average 2 products together, it's really a 2020 launch. So we feel like Pennsylvania is on track to be in that 2- to 3-year time frame. Some states, as mentioned earlier, will be closer to 3 years. Some will be closer to 2 years. Some might even be less. But Pennsylvania, like every other state that we're in, we believe, is going to be in that 2- to 3-year time frame.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveIf you are acquiring more customers faster, can the 2- to 3-year payback period you target be shorter?
Jason Robins
executiveIt's a great question. It's certainly possible. And that's not something we're ready to say just yet. But I think that logic would imply that if you're ramping faster upfront and there's more new customer -- there are more new customers coming on that, that's certainly something we might see.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveTwo-part question on TAM. Should we assume it will take at least a few years longer to reach the iGaming TAM projection versus that of OSB? And can you update us on what your views are regarding the iGaming legalization pathway?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, it's really hard to say. I mean state governments, any government, I wish I had a crystal ball, but I can't predict. Certainly, what we've expected and said from the beginning is that OSB would lead the way, and iGaming would be a second wave, so to speak. And we continue to believe that's the case. So I don't know if it's a few years or if it's 1 or 2 years, but I do think that iGaming will be a little bit behind sports betting. And you're seeing that play out already. Some states certainly have chosen to do it all together, like Connecticut and Pennsylvania. There's been, in the case of West Virginia, a state that did it 1 year later. And we know there's other states that have sports betting that are now considering iGaming. So much of it depends on the economic state of the country and of different states, too. A lot of states that are flushed with cash might not be in as big a rush whereas others that really need the tax revenue might accelerate. So there's a lot of different dynamics to make it hard to pinpoint an exact year. But I think the general comment or the general question of will you see a little bit of a lag in iGaming versus sports betting, yes, that's something we've always said and continue to believe to be the case. And as far as the state of iGaming legislation, there's been some activity, not as much as sports betting, which, as I noted, is to be expected given sort of the sequence that we see things happening again. But I do expect that you'll see an acceleration there over the next few years. And I think there's a lot of states that are considering it now. And sometimes it takes a couple of years or even 3 years to pass a bill in a state. One of the government affairs consultants that we work with likes to say, it's like the Hall of Fame. You have some first ballot hall of famers. Some get in the second and third. So I think it's very similar with legislation, and that's what you're seeing play out with iGaming.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveWith respect to the higher penetration of the Arizona population, do you believe that the overall population penetration is increasing due to customer awareness and/or a better product?
Jason Robins
executiveI think that could be the case. It's really hard at this stage to say is it just a faster ramp or is it something that's unique about a state? Or is it just a macro effect, as the question noted, of just more awareness, better product, driving deeper penetration? It is certainly notable that on a per population basis, Arizona is ahead of where New Jersey was -- or where New Jersey is even many quarters into New Jersey and only a few into Arizona. But hard to say. Is that something about Arizona? Or is that something about the state of the market? Or is that just a ramp type of thing? We'll find out though in the next couple of years.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveHow do you think about offsetting inflation in your marketing and advertising expense and/or your other fixed costs and SG&A?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, inflation, I think, where it sort of seems to be, at least from the economic analysis I've seen, people seem to be pinpointing inflation. It's not really an advertising cost. It's more in things like oil and other sorts of goods. So that doesn't really affect us. We're a digital company. And people are still mostly working remotely, so they don't have to drive to work as much anymore. I think, for us, the real big impact, if any, of inflation, would be cost of capital. But fortunately, we're very well capitalized. We ended last year with over $2 billion on the balance sheet. So we feel like we don't really have to worry as much about a cost of capital thing right now. And given that we have enough capital on our balance sheet with cushion to get to profitability, we may never have to worry about it. So we can wait out this environment as long as we need to. And I don't really think inflation will have any impact on our business. And from a consumer standpoint, the gaming industry has certainly shown over many, many years that any economic conditions, it's quite resilient to whether that's a recession, whether that's inflation, anything. Typically, that does not have an effect on the type of business that we're in.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveAre there substantial benefits of partnering with traditional media companies to drive more efficient top-of-the-funnel marketing support for new users?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, certainly. I mean, we already do that. We have great partnerships with many media companies. And those have been very helpful in driving a lot of our early success. So absolutely. I think media companies have the eyeballs. They have the live sports rights in many cases. And that's something that I think is very complementary to us, not only because it's an opportunity to collaborate to drive customers to us, but also all these media companies are very aware that the more people that engage with fantasy sports and sports betting, the more appetite -- the more their appetite grows for the content that the media companies are putting out on sports, whether that be the games themselves or other sorts of supported programming around the games.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveIs your TAM estimate based on NGR or GGR? And what is the assumption for long-term promotional percentage?
Jason Robins
executiveIt's based on GGR. As we've talked about in the past, we've assumed that we have roughly a 20% -- a little over 20% promotion -- percentage of promotions at maturity. That's consistent with other mature markets and, obviously, very much within our ability to control. So that's how we did the analysis. We based it on GGR. That's the most accurate data that we have available. And then we used an assumption of low 20 percentage -- low 20s percent promotion rate at maturity.
Jason Park
executiveAnd I would add that as we talked about the TAM for OSB and iGaming, we did not apply any growth on the 2021 number. So that should give comfort around any concerns around promotion.
Jason Robins
executiveYes. I think that's a great point, Jason. We were quite conservative that we used New Jersey as a benchmark, which, as we demonstrated in the presentation, is a very reasonable benchmark. And we didn't assume any future growth. I know as Jason Park just noted, we've gotten questions, hey, do you think we've accelerated the market a little bit because of the rate of promotion? And perhaps that's the case. I'd be very surprised, even with that, very surprised if New Jersey doesn't continue to grow. But we want to be cautious here. We wanted to, hopefully, leave some room for upside. So we didn't include any assumption o;f future growth. We just said what is New Jersey doing today? And what would that look like if we projected it to the rest of the U.S. on a GDP adjusted basis?
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveIn your last Investor Day, you used New Jersey, Australia and the U.K. as goalposts for your U.S. OSB opportunity outlook. Do you feel that New Jersey has reached the level of maturity where it is a better reflection of the entire U.S. market?
Jason Robins
executiveI think so. I mean you can look at a lot of different things and triangulate, and they sort of all get to the same answer. But we felt that, especially given we had the question earlier on, is Canada different, the probably most reasonable and acceptable way would be to use a U.S. state. And as long as that U.S. state seems representative, which as we showed in our presentation, it certainly is, maybe even a little bit conservative of a choice, then that should be a great benchmark. And as far as where New Jersey is on the curve, as noted a moment ago, I personally believe New Jersey will continue to grow. If you look at the iGaming market as an example, we're 7, 8 years in now, and it's continuing to grow at a very healthy pace. So it almost seems unfathomable that the numbers that we've reached in OSB are the peak. But we felt like it was mature enough, and it was reasonable enough as a state to compare other states to, using today's New Jersey numbers, will provide a very reasonable and achievable TAM estimate and whether there's upside there. I believe there probably is, but we'll have to see.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveTwo-part question on SG&A. When you say mid- to high-teens SG&A as a percentage of revenue, what are you including in fixed marketing? And second part, why is it growing so much this year?
Jason Robins
executiveSo if you look at the end of our presentation, the slide on EBITDA, we break out external marketing separately. So as per kind of that earlier question, that's the advertising. Everything else, the people that run the marketing programs, any third-party tools we use are all included in fixed cost, and that all is included in SG&A. And also as noted in the presentation, the multiyear plan that we're executing against entailed us hiring up fairly quickly in certain functions, such as product, technology, marketing, analytics, data science, all of which we felt were very important in order to outcompete the others in the industry. We now feel like we have a team that is well set up to do so. And while we're certainly going to continue to grow our headcount, it's going to be at a much more moderate pace given that we feel we have reached a point of scale by 2022 that allows us to be not just competitive but to outcompete the others in our industry.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveCustomer retention is roughly unchanged since the update on your last Investor Day, but revenue retention has improved. Can you talk about any drivers?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, I think product is the biggest driver. We've added so much to the product since last Investor Day. In particular, since we migrated in the late summer of this past year of 2021, we've added a ton of new features to OSB. We've released many new games on the iGaming side. Some of those have outperformed any of the existing games that we have previously released. So I think as we continue to improve our product, we'll have better and better monetization. And I also think it will help on the retention front. You'll start to see that show up as well. One of the reasons I think we've retained so well despite having more competition in the market this past year than the year before, one of the reasons I think we've retained so well is I do think we have a superior product to the vast majority of others out there on both the iGaming and sports betting side.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveWhy was Connecticut able to be contribution profit positive so quickly versus a state like Michigan, which also has iGaming?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, Connecticut only has 2 iGaming operators and 3 sports betting operators. So naturally, we're going to have a larger share in that market. And I think that's a big -- that's the primary reason why it was able to get profitable faster.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveLooking at NFTs, is this a margin or EBITDA drag in 2022? And how should we think about the long-term profitability or margin of your marketplace product?
Jason Robins
executiveAs we noted, our new growth initiatives, marketplace being included, are not areas that we think will have any material negative or positive impact on EBITDA in 2022. Obviously, we have high hopes for these products, and we hope that they will contribute positively in 2023 forward. But what we've said so far is that for 2022, we do not expect them to have any material impact, positive or negative, on the bottom line.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveDo you see a consensus forming among states about the "right" tax rate to maximize state revenues?
Jason Robins
executiveNot really. We have a saying here, every state is a snowflake. They're all a little different. The dynamics are different. The way decisions are made are different. The issues that people are looking to utilize tax revenue to help support are different. And the politics are different. So we haven't really seen that happen. It's been pretty different by each state. And that's consistent, I think, with what we've been seeing since day 1.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveI know you talked about promotional rate a couple of minutes ago. But what gives you confidence that promotional allowances will be reduced to 22%? And based on your data in early states, will this achievement be later than you originally projected?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, there's 2 answers to why we're confident. One is we benchmarked against a number of other markets around the world. Now one of the nice things about our industry, even though always got to be cautious, sometimes past is not always the best predictor of the future. But unlike a lot of other industries that are new, where, in those cases, the products are new, the product market fit is not as clear. This is a product that's been around for many, many years, hundreds of years, and has been on the digital side present in many markets in Europe for many years as well as other parts of the globe. So there's a lot of places that you can benchmark. And they also tend to generally settle around that low to mid-20s as a percentage and some are in the teens. So we kind of took where we felt like the average was. And I think that's one way of doing it. The second way of looking at it is we looked at just the pure effect of as we -- because as mentioned in previous presentations and I think today, new customer promotions are much richer than existing customer promotions. The way that you attract people to sign up for a platform is very different than the way that you retain those people. The attraction tends to be promotional. The retention tends to be because of product and customer experience. So if you just look at where we are today, the amount of promotions or the percentage, I should say, revenue spent back on promotions for new versus repeat, and you sort of fast forward to a future state like that we presented in the end of the deck, where promotional dollars for -- or sorry, where a percentage of revenue coming from new is much, much less than it is today, a lot of that is what's going to bring us down to a low 20s on its own.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveLooking at New York, how long do you plan to invest in customer acquisition in the state?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, we'll always continue to invest in customer acquisition. But I think the question is what are our CAC targets and what are those based on. Right now, there's certainly been some chatter about a potential of seeing a lower tax rate or promotional deductions being allowed or both in the state. They're in the midst of the beginning of their session right now. So I think we'll get clarity on whether that's likely to happen in this session over the next few months. And because such a large percentage of our New York spend going forward this year will be an NFL season, we have time to see that play out. And the plan is to adjust accordingly based on what the ultimate tax rate is. If it stays the same, we're obviously going to have, to have lower CAC targets than if it goes down simply because the gross profit will generate off of the players we acquire will not be as high as if it were at a lower tax rate. So just like every state, we look at the tax rates. We look at the LTV projections of the players. We look at what different products are in the state and all the other factors you would consider in modeling out the value of a player and the expected gross profit of a player. And we target 2- to 3-year paybacks, and New York will be no different.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveHow should we think about the SG&A ramp between 2022 and 2023?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, as noted earlier, we expect there to be a meaningful slowdown between '22 and '23. A lot of what you're seeing in '22 is because of hiring that was done in '21. We've already moderated the pace of that a bit in '22. So the expectation is that the exit rate in '22 will not be as much growth year-over-year as the exit rate in '21 versus '20 was. And I think you'll continue to see that trend. Our strategy was to staff up quickly to try to make sure we could outcompete everyone in the industry on product, technology, data science analytics. We feel we have a really strong team now. And while we'll continue to add to it, we can absolutely slow down the ramp and still achieve better-than-expected results when we first started.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveIs there an opportunity to add live streaming within the app? And how do you think about the benefits of potentially doing that?
Jason Robins
executiveIt's an interesting question. It's a very theoretical one because we haven't been able to test it yet, and we're very much a test-and-learn company. So we always have a hard time answering questions like that without having any real data. I do think that whether it's in the app or elsewhere, having a low latency stream available that will allow people to watch things that don't have delays will absolutely make the live betting experience better. Right now, one of the complaints we get, whether it be fantasy stats updating too quickly or live betting is that the video feeds that people are watching have delays and are behind where our betting feeds on the data side are. So I think having some sort of low latency feed would be helpful. Whether that needs to be in the app or not, I don't know. I mean one of the things that you've recently seen in iOS over the last few releases is, now when you have a window open with video, you can put that as a thumbnail on the corner and you can easily expand it. And you don't have to actually -- it used to be when you closed an app or when you switched over to another app, I should say, the video went away. Now it's in the corner, and it can be expanded. It can be watched as a thumbnail alongside the betting. So it almost doesn't matter whether it's directly coming from our app or from another app. I think the ability for people, if they want, to watch a stream while they're betting is there today. And the real thing is how do we get those streams to be low latency, regardless of where they live.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveDo you have any plans to add an online poker product for the states that have legal online poker?
Jason Robins
executiveAgain, that's something we've looked at. We're not right now announcing any plans around poker. And if we do have something to say there, we'll update. But just like every other product that's out there that we're always looking to get better, add new products around. Poker is one that we've talked about and considered. And if we have something to share, we'll do so.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveDo you have confidence that you can renegotiate with existing skin providers? And if so, how soon can that happen?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, we have a lot of great relationships. And certainly, I think some of those early on, we thought that -- or maybe our partners thought that we weren't going to do as well as we have. And since then, we've become a real premier partner of choice. So we'll see what happens. I don't really want to comment on the future state of any contracts or any sort of relationship with partners. I will say, if you look at our last year's Investor Day deck, the percentage of revenue share in our gross profit buildup, gross margin buildup went down by about 100 bps. So I think that's an indication of where things are going or at least where things were going from last year to this year. But I really don't want to comment on future.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveThis is a question on hypothetical M&A. Are there revenue synergies when you look at OSB M&A opportunities? Is there a rationale that cumulative market share would go higher?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, if you look at what materials we put out when we announced our Golden Nugget Online gaming acquisition, we did point to that. We do think that our -- and obviously, it really depends, right? I mean it depends on what the acquisition is. But generally speaking, you find that there is best of both world that comes with the products. And by plugging everyone's products together, revenues go up. And also, I think just knowledge sharing and other sorts of things can help there. That's been pretty consistent if you look at Europe. And there's been a lot of consolidation that's happened in Europe. That's been a very consistent outcome. So we'll see what happens with Golden Nugget. But certainly, that's our expectation based on the analysis that we've done. And I would say, generally speaking, that would be true of any other sorts of consolidation that might happen.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveClearly, you are comfortable to spend within your 2- to 3-year payback periods. But with operators messaging lower competitive intensity, I would imagine the cost to acquire customers will come down. If this happens, would you be more likely to target shorter payback periods or allocate more dollars to sales and marketing?
Jason Robins
executiveIt's a very interesting question because, as I noted earlier, one hypothesis would suggest that competitor spend actually lifted awareness and boosted response and allowed us to acquire more at scale more efficiently. I don't know for sure if that's what's going on. So just like everything, we're in a test, and we're going to see. We'll let the data do the talking. And that's the nice thing about the way we do things. We don't speculate. We test a lot and then we analyze. And based on what the data is saying, we make decisions. As far as where we actively reduce, I think right now, we're very comfortable with the playbook. As I mentioned earlier, one of the things that I want everybody to take away is the playbook is working, and we're well capitalized to execute against it. So I think as long as we continue to believe that's the case, and I don't see why that would change, we're going to continue to stick with our playbook. When competitive spend went up, we stayed disciplined. We didn't extend our payback periods. We did exactly what we've been doing since the day we went public. And I think people, investors hopefully appreciate consistency. And as long as the data and analytics are saying this is working, we believe being consistent is the way to go.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveNext 2 questions are on product. First, how are you thinking about integrating more social aspects into the product?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, as we noted in the presentation, one of the very exciting differentiators that we've been working on are social features in our OSB product. We have a lot of cool stuff we've done already, but we're still very much at the beginning days. Things like video integration for user-generated content are on the horizon. There's a lot of other cool stuff that I won't talk about that we're working on there. I think sports betting is inherently a social activity. People like to discuss what they're betting on with their friends. They like to debate it. They like to share wins and lament together over losses. So I think inherently, it lends itself very well to a social experience. And our objective is to build as much of that -- or to facilitate as much of that by what we build into the platform. We have a very talented team working on this. They're solely focused on building out the social features. So we expect to see a lot more there in the coming years.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveThe second product question is more regarding your vision. We often hear about the product of the future as being an integrated platform of streaming video, integrated data, e-commerce, et cetera. What still needs to be figured out to get to that vision?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, I think we'll have to see how things play out to really understand what the hurdles are right now. If you talk about video integration, a lot of the hurdles are existing contracts and legacy sort of elements of those contracts that prevent this type of thing from happening right now, at least in a way that really works for the consumer. As far as e-commerce and other things go, those are things that certainly can be integrated. It's just a matter of when the right time to focus on them is. In a way, what we're doing with marketplace is a form of that. So I think that's a good example. In the end, the way we look at it is the market will evolve in a way that has a lot to do with factors that we don't even know today. So we want to be very high level in our vision and very consistent about that high-level vision but also be nimble and adaptive. I think what makes the best technology companies are those that can see trends and go after them. A great example of that is the NFT marketplace. Two years ago, I didn't even know what an NFT was. I think that the fact that it's grown so much in the last year, it was less about us figuring that out beforehand and more about us identifying a trend that we did analysis on and saw its very much overlapped demographically and with our audience. And we were able to quickly pivot and build that product. It wasn't even on our road map at the beginning of last year. And in a matter of months, we were able to build it and launch it. So I think that speaks very much to the culture of the company, being very nimble, innovative, always looking around corners and also able to pivot and adjust and reprioritize in order to go after something as soon as that opportunity is identified and embedded.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveRegarding GNOG's 4% share, which you referenced in the deck, do you plan to alter the product to more DKNG in-house games? And do you believe you can maintain that share level? Lastly, how long will it take to transition to the DKNG platform?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, our hope is we can actually increase it for successful generating revenue synergies than we will. So it all comes down to that. As far as what we'll do, certainly, there's a lot of platform cost. That's a big part of the synergy that can be taken out by integrating DraftKings TAM, integrating our OSB product, integrating our iGaming games. As far as whether we'll be pushing more of the DKNG games or whether we'll be relying more on other games we create or whether it will be third-party games, just like everything, we're going to test. One of the hypotheses that we had around the GNOG acquisition is based on it reaching a different segment of the iGaming audience, the casino-first audience. If you look at their demographics, it's very different than DraftKings. We're about 80% to 90% male. They're 50-50 male, female. We have an average age. It's almost a decade younger. Our table games are more of a mix than our slots. They're about 75% slots to table games. So definitely, that hypothesis is rooted in real data and analysis. And we have to understand that if that's the case, then we might have to create a little bit of a different experience. And it could be small things like the way that games are ordered and presented to the customer or larger things around branding and what things we push in market. So we're going to test just like we always do, and we're going to learn. And I think that will allow us to really optimize the best of both worlds.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveCan you elaborate on your fixed versus variable marketing? What's included in each, specifically national media and team and lead deals?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, I think we already answered that. The variable marketing includes any external advertising. So whether that's national, whether that's local, it doesn't matter if it's external, if it's advertising, if it's marketing intended to acquire players. It's included. Things that are in the fixed costs are things like headcount for people running the campaigns, the cost of producing creative third-party tools that we use in order to optimize, those are all part of fixed costs.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveLooking at TAM, why did New Jersey OSB grow so much in 2021? And why not assume growth in the future?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, the reason, as I noted earlier, we didn't assume growth in the future is that we felt like presenting something that really would be above question was really important. We didn't want to get into a debate around how much growth to assume or anything like that. So our strategy is to put out there what the numbers are today. What we only -- what we know for certainty is where we are right now. It's anyone's guess what the future will hold. And we'll let investors make up their own minds about what they think the true growth rate of New Jersey going forward is, and if you extrapolate that to the remainder of the U.S., what that means for the TAM.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveTurning to M&A. Are you still looking at international acquisition targets? What are you focused on from an M&A perspective?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, we have a number of conversations. We're always interested in exploring things. I think right now, however, if you look at where we were maybe a year ago to today, we're definitely much more focused on our organic growth path. And I think that while certainly will always be exploratory and there's things that could be a strategic fit and could financially make sense on the M&A front. We're very happy with our current setup. We feel like we have everything we need from a product perspective and technology perspective. We feel like with the Golden Nugget Online gaming acquisition, which hopefully will close soon, we're going to have a great dual brand strategy to go out and reach all segments of the online casino audience. So we feel like we have the full plate right now. And does that mean that there won't be something interesting on the M&A front? No, it doesn't mean that. But our focus certainly has shifted more towards organic growth.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveWhat do you attribute your recent iGaming success to?
Jason Robins
executiveProduct. We made huge strides in our product over the past year, launched a ton of new games. DraftKings Rocket, as we mentioned, was our most successful new game to date. It was also very innovative. I think it was not just another sort of slot or Blackjack game. It was something totally different than what you see in most iGaming apps. So I think really continuing to have a great selection of differentiated games, having great customer experiences and then just data and testing, that allows us to optimize all the other things we do from the operational and CRM side around it. Great data science. All those are things we continue to build. And I think it just enhances the product, the customer experience and the way that we operate.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveLooking at your fixed cost growth in 2022, can you provide any color on what your priorities for investment are? Is it OSB, iGaming, something else?
Jason Robins
executiveYes. As we noted earlier, the bulk of the investments going to OSB and iGaming, there certainly is some investment going into some of our new growth initiatives like media and marketplace. But those are not things that we expect to be as significant as the investments we're making in OSB and iGaming. And we also are still investing in our DFS product. But again, it's much smaller as a percentage of the total fixed cost than what we're investing in our OSB and iGaming.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveCertain competitors have very large customer databases, and you have about 6 million daily fantasy users according to the deck. Do you feel that you're at a disadvantage when new states launch?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, I think different places present that number differently. We presented 6 million paid players, people who've actually made a deposit and played a game on DraftKings platform. If you look at our total database, just the registered names, it's closer to around 20 million. So I think if you talk about it in the sense of apples-to-apples, we're probably in a pretty similar spot to most others who have databases. I also think the fact that our database is made up entirely of people who participated online makes a big difference. Not only are they comfortable and used to playing on mobile apps and on websites, we also have those players that are active visiting us online on a regular basis. So the ability to convert them to different products online is much more seamless.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveLooking at media, are you taking a build or buy approach to content development?
Jason Robins
executiveWe're taking a -- right now, we're taking more of a build and partner approach. Certainly, there's -- like I noted earlier on the M&A question, there's always things that we might look at, and you never know. But right now, our going-in strategy is to build and partner. And we've done both of those successfully. I think both pieces are very important part of our media strategy.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveIs there a risk to your gross margin percentage over time from tax rates?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, I think it could go either way. At least in the fantasy space, we've actually seen several reductions in taxes and fees. We haven't seen any states increased taxes. I think right now, we're very focused on trying to make the case to states that launch that there's a sensible place to set the tax rate that allows us to effectively compete with the illegal market. I think most states and most policymakers understand that if you set the tax rate too high, it makes it impossible for legal regulated operators to compete with the illegal market, which sort of defeats the purpose of doing it in the first place. So based on what I'm seeing today, I think there's a broad understanding of -- that the tax rates need to be in a reasonable range. And I have no reason to believe they're going to increase over time. But hard to predict. As I noted earlier, it could go either way.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveTurning back to New York. Do you think the state legalizes iGaming in the near term or the long term?
Jason Robins
executiveVery similar to what I've said, it's very hard to sit here and predict what a state is going to do. There are so many factors that go into it. I think it's encouraging to see that more states are considering iGaming than ever before. I think it would be a great win if New York were to do it. And we'll just have to see how that plays out.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveHow does DraftKings think about the cost of its loyalty program?
Jason Robins
executiveVery simple. So when we launched the loyalty program, there was a clear mandate to the team that we would take from existing budgets and more make this a systematizable way versus ad hoc promotions of getting value back to consumers. So it's really how we thought about it. So we said, listen, everything that we have, all the bucket of sort of generosity that we're spending, how much of that do we want to try to automate? How can we increase that over time by testing into it and increasing the benefits where it's truly impactful and not wasting money in places where it's not impactful? So really, it's all part of the same pool. And the mandate to the team was to not increase the overall rate of promotion but instead just to shift some of it from more ad hoc promotions to more automated promotions to the loyalty program.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveHow confident are you in your unchanged estimate for $1.1 billion of long-term fixed costs, considering your 2022 guidance implies you'll probably spend around $900 million this year?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, we feel very confident in that. As we noted, we have a multiyear plan, and we've been executing against that plan. And so far, we've been able to hit that plan. So I have no reason to believe the team will not be able to continue executing against it. And the plan that we've laid out calls for $1.1 billion in fixed costs when we reach that $6.7 billion in revenue. And I think we're going to be able to do that very successfully.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveSomewhat related question. Is it fair that some of your fixed cost growth is due to marketplace and media?
Jason Robins
executiveIt is, but it's not a very large amount. So you are right that when we show the $1.1 billion, that specifically excludes marketplace and media. Right now, that's not a huge part of our fixed cost spend, but it is something. So you are right that, that number is a little bit of apples and oranges albeit very small differences.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveDoes your long-term EBITDA guidance from the deck today exclude synergies from GNOG or include them?
Jason Robins
executiveIt excludes synergies. We noted that there is about $300 million of synergies we've said we expect from GNOG. Those are not included in the EBITDA number.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveLast question today, Jason, why are you raising your iGaming share outlook to 20% to 25% compared to what you had in your deck last March?
Jason Robins
executiveWell, that was really just taking our existing share at the end of last year and adding GNOG's existing share at the end of last year. As we mentioned, we do think there could be some revenue synergies that might lead to higher share combined, but we wanted to be cautious. We didn't want to take credit for something that we hadn't achieved and that they hadn't achieved. So we thought the most sensible thing to do at this point in time was just to add their share to ours, which have put us a little bit higher than that midpoint we used to 23% versus 22.5%. But I guess we like round numbers, so we went with 20% to 25% instead of 20% to 26%. But it was really just adding the 2 existing shares together and assuming no benefit from the combination.
Joseph DeCristofaro
executiveThat's our last question for today, Jason.
Jason Robins
executiveWell, thank you all for joining us for today's presentation. Hopefully, it was informative. Hopefully, some of the new information we shared was able to convey things that we've been talking about at a high level in more detail. If you have any questions, please feel free to follow up with our IR team, and we look forward to speaking with you again soon.
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