Element Solutions Inc (ESI) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 8, 2022

New York Stock Exchange US Materials Chemicals conference_presentation 27 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#1

I'm glad to present Ben Gliklich, CEO of Element Solutions. I've known the company for quite a while. I don't cover currently, but I've always followed the company. It was a lot of interest. I think there's a very strong technology and electronics and semis component to the story. And I hope to get into it today with Ben. Thanks a lot for [indiscernible].

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#2

I guess I'd start with the same kind of setting the stage question. Like where do you fit in, in the semiconductor and broader electronics industry with your portfolio?

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#3

Great. Great place to start. Thanks for having me, Aleksey. It's great to be here. Thanks for joining today. A little bit over 60% of Element Solutions sales go into the electronics markets. And that is from PCB fabs through to electronics assembly and then up into semiconductor manufacturing. We are the only company in our peer set that can speak to that full continuum from the board manufacturing all the way up through or if you think about it through the wafer manufacturing all the way down through electronics hardware assembly. And that's a very exciting place to be right now given the convergence we're seeing between printed circuit board technology and semiconductor technology. And that technology inflection is very exciting, and it's a big driver for the business. It's accelerating growth and an area where we've had great traction.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#4

So as a technology materials company, what are some of the most exciting things in terms of your products or overall direction of where technology is going?

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#5

Absolutely. So proliferation of computing and circuit density is driving our business forward. And there's a huge amount of innovation in and around that area. If you think about what our technology does is we provide the metallization on next-generation circuit boards. When you think about your smartphone and the amount of computing power that's gone into it, battery power is extending too. That's because the batteries are bigger, the circuit boards have to get smaller, and they have to have more reliability and more technical capability. All of that is done through innovation in circuit board metallization technology. That is our product capability. If you think about the technical requirements associated with the ruggedization of electronics hardware, right? You used to have a desktop, then you had a laptop, now you've got a mobile phone. You leave your phone in the sun for too long, it stops working. But you leave your car in the sun in a parking lot all the time, right? So the technical requirements associated with mobility and ruggedization in next-generation electronics is where our assembly products shine, right? That interface where the chip meets the board is where you can have failure. And that's an interface we can speak to better than anyone else in the industry because we finish the circuit board and we provide the material that's used to put the chip on to the board. That's very, very exciting for us. And then on the semiconductor side, as we move towards system and package design, right, as more than more -- as Moore's Law is beginning to break down and next-generation computing requirements are being met through chiplets, right? That's where semiconductors and circuit boards are converging and the whole notion of the IC substrate with multiple different chips, we can speak to the technology that's used to make the substrate and the technology that's used to put the chips on to the boards and then the technology that's used to put the die into the package. So that whole breadth of applications speaks to our capabilities and is driving growth for our business. Our ability to speak to that breadth is driving preference with OEMs, with fabs and with the broader supply chain for our business.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#6

So if I remember some time ago, the business' growth was kind of not scaling with wafers, right, because of exposure to printed circuit boards. But from what you're saying, it sounds like that's changing. Is it fair?

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#7

So within our -- so electronics is 60% of the business. I think about our company is about $2.5 billion of sales, about $250 million of our sales go into the semiconductor industry, right? And then there's another $1 billion or so that goes into broader electronics. And so we're not going to grow like a semiconductor -- like a pure-play semiconductor materials business. But we're seeing an inflection and acceleration in the printed circuit board business where we play. We have some very differentiated technology in power electronics that's driving real growth in the electronics portfolio. And then we have an Industrial and specialty segment. That's about 40% of sales. It's growing more slowly than the electronics business, but it's still growing. Our general market growth rate, if you look at the weighted average growth rate of our markets is 4% to 5%. And we believe and have demonstrated we can grow 1 point or 2 faster than that. So call it, mid-single digits on the top line with a disproportionate amount of that growth coming from electronics.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#8

In terms of technologies that we're all familiar with 5G, EVs, et cetera, which ones are important in driving your business and driving content [ more important. ]

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#9

So I think you knocked 2 of the 3 biggest trends on the head. 5G is a substantial growth driver, right? We have 15% more content on a 5G phone versus a 4G phone. So we're getting more content per unit. 5G as a percentage of total phones is growing still at around 50%. So that share gain or share shift is underway. And then all the infrastructure associated with enabling 5G capability is another growth vector for us that's pretty material. And we're just in the teeth of that. We're maybe in the third inning of this 5G rollout and opportunity. Electric vehicles is another big opportunity for us. We get 1.5 to 2x the value on an EV versus a legacy ICE vehicle. And so I think we all are beginning to appreciate over the past year how much more quickly the transition from ICE to EV is going to take place. So there's a high level of conviction and the acceleration from that piece of our business over the next 5, 7 years. The third big opportunity is sustainability. Sustainability is a value driver for our company and our ability through innovation to improve our customers' environmental impacts is an area of differentiation. So elimination of hazardous chemicals, less energy intensive, less waste intensive manufacturing processes, that's where we've been spending a lot of our energy and we're winning real share through that. In an industry like our share moves very quickly -- very slowly. So you are spec-ed into a manufacturing process. It is very rare to see a change. But it's -- these new nodes or new capabilities when you see these technology inflections are -- when you have opportunities to expand share rapidly. And we're at the forefront of one of those, and we're very optimistic about the share of opportunities coming in the next couple of years associated with sustainability and some of the technology inflections we've talked about earlier.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#10

I think what caught my eye in your recent earnings call is you were talking about business wins that so far in this year you already exceeded prior full year right? Could you talk about that? Why is that happening?

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#11

Yes. It's an interesting dynamic, right? Our end markets are softer this year than they were last year, whether it's auto, whether it's smartphones. We're going through a period of weakness, more driven by the supply chain than demand. But surprisingly in that backdrop, we're winning more business than we ever have, right? So we've won more business year-to-date in 2022 than we did in all of 2019 and all of 2020. So while production activity is a little soft, customer activity is very, very high. And it's because of this technology inflection, right, because of new designs, because of elimination of certain hazardous chemistries as mandated by REACH, because the automotive OEMs are putting a huge amount of emphasis on next-generation EV platforms, there's a huge amount of activity. And we're winning a lot of business right now, which gives us a lot of conviction in the 2- to 3-year horizon for the company.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#12

This advanced semiconductor packaging, I thought was an interesting subject you mentioned. Could you talk about your exposure there? How quickly could it scale? How they could it be for Element?

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#13

Yes. So the legacy mechanism for improving computing power and cost was through shrinking the size of transistors, right, moving from one node to a smaller node and a smaller node. And that persists. At the same time, other semiconductor companies, players have been forced to innovate through package design, right? And that's multiple chips on what's called an IC substrate, which is the highest-end printed circuit board. And that's to get more computing power in this chiplet design. And we have a great capability to meet the needs of the OSATs. We're working on that innovation because we're laying the transistors on the silicon. We're attaching the die into the package. We've got great capability in that regard. And then we can speak to the materials that put the package onto that IC substrate, the materials that metallize that IC substrate, the materials that put that IC substrate or that chiplet onto the circuit board and the materials that metallize that circuit board. We can speak to that full continuum, which no one else in our industry can. And so you go to these OSATs, the AMDs of the world, the Amkors of the world, and we do technology road map exchanges, and they didn't know us to have that breadth of capabilities because historically, these businesses didn't -- weren't together as one electronics portfolio. And now we are, and we're bringing to bear that full suite of capabilities, which is driving preference. And those technology road map exchanges aren't just with the OSATs. They're with the OEMs, they're with the circuit board fabs, they're with the semiconductor fabs. And the market is beginning to better appreciate our capabilities at that next generation, and that is where a significant amount of innovation dollars has been spent by the semiconductor industry, and we're well positioned to win there.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#14

So you mentioned broader portfolio. Maybe a little bit of a history lesson, how did you assemble your current portfolio, where are you going next?

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#15

Yes. It's a good question. And so Aleksey knows some of the gory details of how Element Solutions was formed. If you go back 8, 9 years ago, at this point, there was a specialty chemicals roll up called Platform Specialty Products that bought about $8 billion worth of specialty chemicals businesses in diverse markets for a whole bunch of reasons. The decision was taken to separate that portfolio. And so Platform Specialty Products sold the ag assets, which was about half of the company, AgChem, and converted to this business Element Solutions with a fundamentally different strategy and approach. It's not just the assets we acquired, rebranded, we define ourselves in contrast to Platform Specialty Products. This is an operating company that's focused on operational excellence and prudent capital allocation. It's not an M&A platform. Where we have made acquisitions, it's to bring capabilities into the portfolio that our customers would be excited to buy from us in markets we deeply understand, at attractive valuations, with high-quality people. And so we've made several acquisitions over the past 3 years, but they've been more modest in size. Our focus has been on executing an organic strategy in the attractive markets in which we participate. And that's gone exceedingly well. When we launched Element Solutions, our goal was to double our EPS in 5 years. We did it in 3. And at an Investor Day we had in February of this year, we set another goal to take EPS from $1.36 to $2.50 over a 5-year period. Our internal goal is to double it once again, and we're on track to do that.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#16

So what does it translate in terms of EBITDA growth?

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#17

So if you look at the growth algorithm I started with, which is that our markets are going to grow 4%, 5%, we'll do 1 point or 2 faster, gets you to a mid-single-digit top line. The operating leverage in this business is real. So we believe incremental margin should be 30% to 40% on EBITDA. And so you should get to 1.5x top line for organic EBITDA growth. So I think high single digits. And this business, one of the hallmarks of the business is that it's not a capital-intensive business. We don't require capital to grow or to maintain our margins. So CapEx is usually less than 2% of sales, and that's steady going back decades. And so the business generates several hundred million dollars of free cash flow every year. This year, we're on track for about $300 million. Over the next 5 years, we expect to generate $2 billion of free cash flow and deploying that in a prudent way gets us to compounding EPS in the teens, which is something we've done over the past 3 years. And there's no paradigm shift in the past 3 years rolling forward. We have a clear path to continue to execute on that.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#18

And I guess, as investors think about valuing your equity, they also try to consider cyclicality. How do different pieces of your portfolio react to cycles?

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#19

So the second hallmark of this business is that it's got a variable operating cost structure. This is a business that is unit-driven fundamentally. And so there are going to be air pockets. Secular growth isn't linear, right? And we are in one of those air pockets right now, it seems. The cost in this business is people cost. Our manufacturing processes are very simple. 15% of COGS is fixed, 85% is variable. And so there isn't a fixed asset utilization issue when we see units decline. And most of the cost is in highly qualified technical sales, technical service and innovation. And if the business isn't growing, we're not paying variable compensation, we're not paying incentive compensation, we're traveling less, the cost just falls out of the business. And so we're able to preserve margin in periods of economic weakness. So if you look at Q2 of 2020, the top line was down roughly [ 15 ] and EBITDA was down the same amount. We're able to preserve margin when things are soft, and we're able to grow at attractive incrementals when the business performs. So there is a level of cyclicality in the top line because we're unit driven. It's cyclicality around a secular growth vector driven by all the things we've been talking about. And in those pockets of weakness, we're committed to preserving profits and generating extra free cash flow, which is what we've historically been able to do.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#20

Great. If you maybe turn to events of this year, right, a lot of companies have been tested by -- or last few years have been tested by the cost inflation, right? And that's another factor how some companies rerated or derated. What happened with your business?

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#21

Yes. So -- as we just went through, right, 85% of our COGS are variable. And so we've had significant inflation in our bills of material. We pass on price through 3 mechanisms. There's a substantial portion of the assembly materials business I was going through that puts chips onto board that's metal. And we contractually pass through metal price. So if the price of tin goes up, we pass that through. It has an optical impact on our margins because those are no margin sales, but we're not losing profit dollars. So obviously, the price of tin has gone up very substantially over the past couple of quarters and I think it has come down. We've passed that through dollar for dollar. We also have that mechanism with silver. Then there's the surcharge mechanism and products like -- raw materials like nickel and palladium are surcharged. And so that is pricing based. Historically, it was based on the 7-day or month average trailing price. That wasn't good enough on the price of nickel doubled in 48 hours earlier this year. So we recut that and have had no issues shortening the windows associated with the surcharge mechanism. And the third is through negotiated price increases, which take a little bit longer, but we've been able to get given the fact that what we sell is a tiny fraction of the cost of the final good, but absolutely essential to the functionality of the final good and the switching costs are really high. If you want to switch out our process chemistry in a printed circuit board factory, you have to stop producing a very high value product. You have to requalify. Sometimes you have to change equipment and you're saving pennies -- and so it very rarely happens. And so we are able to take price when we see inflation. We're a little bit behind just given the rate and persistence of the inflation that we've seen, but we're on track to catch up.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#22

So from what you said, should I gather that your margin is somewhat under trend line and there is some catch-up?

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#23

So that's right. I mean, we think about our margin ex metal because that tin price has a very significant optical impact on margin percent but doesn't impact margin dollars. And we're at 25% ex metal in Q2 of 2022. That was 27% a few quarters ago. So we're a bit behind. The metal impact is going to start abating given the way that metal prices have trended. And we should see that underlying margin ex metal also improve over the next several quarters.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#24

What happened from the perspective of demand this year? And what's your latest outlook for the remainder of this year?

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#25

So year-to-date, we have seen more growth on a year-over-year basis from price than from volume. We've taken a lot of price. Auto units are still down. Somewhat surprisingly, mobile phone units are down in the high single digits. We have had volume growth in certain of our businesses, but it's been more of a price story year-to-date. As we look at the second half, the comps get easier, right? So if you look at the first half of 2021, you didn't have the same inflation. You didn't have the same logistics and supply chain issues, and we were still recovering from COVID. That was a very strong period Q1 in 2021, in particular, but also Q2. We started to see those impacts from logistics and supply chain bottlenecks in the back half. So the comps get easier, we should be growing organically in 2H '22 from a volume perspective, and we'll also have the added benefit of price and incremental price to what we saw in the second -- in the first half.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#26

And from your end markets perspective, you have exposure in cell phones which are, I think, more advanced, right?

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#27

Yes. So roughly 50% of the business is driven by automotive and smartphones. And then the next big areas are things like data storage, Internet infrastructure. And the smartphone business skews to the higher-end Western OEMs. So we have a presence in the local Chinese OEMs as well, western and Asia ex China. They're in an air pocket, which I think is more driven by -- is driven by supply of chips and also refresh cycles of some of these handset platforms, some years are better than others. But we all have a great deal of conviction in the proliferation and penetration of 5G and the infrastructure associated with that. So over the next couple of years, there should be substantial growth from mobile. And then in the automotive sector, we've underproduced demand by 30 million units over the past 3 years because of supply chains. In 2017, 2018, we were making 95 million cars. Now we're making 80 million or less. That -- the average car on the road is older than it's ever been. That dynamic doesn't persist. That market will snap back and that will be a nice cyclical tailwind for the business on top of the secular growth from all the electronics -- all the exciting electronics trends we've been talking about.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#28

And then as far as I remember, coming back to margins, your margins have been incredibly stable over long periods of time, right? Let's say, if we look back 10 years for the portfolio that you currently own because of the futures that you described. Is that [indiscernible] that kind of reduces cyclicality as well?

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#29

Yes. The second quarter of 2022, we believe is the first quarter where gross margins were below 40% since the '80s. Just gives you a sense of the stability of these businesses. Why were they below 40%? Metal price and logistics, primarily, right? Logistics was 2% of sales. Now it's almost 4% of sales. The price of metal was at record levels all through the second quarter. That will stabilize, right? And so we'll be back above 40% in the third quarter and intend to stay there for another 40 years. As we've been talking about and unsurprisingly, based on the dynamics of the business we've talked about, these margins are very stable. The business is very defensible. It's incredibly sticky. The switching costs are high and the switching benefits are low, and those are the attributes that translate to the margin profile that we've had and expect to continue to enjoy.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#30

Could you talk about industry structure, right? I think that's also probably something that explains what happens with margins.

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#31

Yes. This is an industry that -- while we're not a huge company in the context of electronics, we are the market leaders in this market and in these markets, whether that's printed circuit board manufacturing. In the applications we have in semiconductor materials and in the assembly materials business. And it's a market that has largely consolidated over the past 15 years. So going back to the stickiness and the defensibility, there aren't -- what I'd say is it's a largely consolidated industry structure in most of where we participate. And that speaks to the defensibility of it. And the reason for that -- you'd say, well, it's not a capital intensive business. And so you could -- and there are rich margins to enjoy. Why aren't there new entrants? Why hasn't someone said I want to be in the PCB chemicals market. And the answer is, the innovation in this business is development, not -- it's more D than R. And starting from a standing start, it's very, very difficult, nearly impossible to overcome the capabilities that the incumbents have, right? Our customers don't need a brand-new product or their next-generation board. They need a slightly redesigned product. And so we're working off a 1,000-plus year history when you think about what our R&D teams collectively have in formulation of printed circuit board chemistry or assembly materials. And that can't be overcome by a new entrant. And that's why there haven't been new entrants in this market for decades.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#32

We have a question from the audience.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#33

[indiscernible].

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#34

So pricing in the industry has been driven by raw material inflation. And so given how sticky it is and how hard it is to change market share, you can retain the value we provide to our customers, right? Meaning if our costs go up, we're able to pass that through. But historically, we're not overly aggressive, and we don't take advantage of that position because it's so hard to dislodge someone once -- if you lose the business, right? And so the margins have been stable. The underlying EBITDA margin has opportunity to improve because you get better price on innovation and the market is growing at that higher end very quickly in the IC substrate space, for example, and in other pockets of the circuit board market, in the power electronics market, where we introduce new products, we enjoy better margins. And we're seeing, as we've talked about, more customer engagement in newer generations of technology. So our expectation is for our margins to expand as the higher margin pockets of the business grow more quickly. But it's not a market where you can just have an annual price increase or at least historically, it hasn't been.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#35

Anyone else has a question? Okay. We're going to wrap this up. Ben, thanks a lot. You got me excited about the story. I hope you got investors excited.

Benjamin Gliklich

executive
#36

Thank you, Aleksey. This is great. Thanks everybody.

Aleksey Yefremov

analyst
#37

Take care.

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