Elvalhalcor Hellenic Copper and Aluminium Industry S.A. (ELHA) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
July 29, 2026
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Nikos Kallergis
executiveLadies and gentlemen, welcome. Thank you for joining the live webcast of ElvalHalcor for the Half 1 2026 financial results. Mr. Spyros Kokkolis, Vice Chairman and Executive Member of the Board; Mr. Angelos Giazitzoglou, Deputy Chief Financial Officer of the ElvalHalcor Group; and I, Nikos Kallergis, Consolidation and IR Manager of the group, are going to provide you with key insights into our performance. After the end of the presentation, we will conduct a Q&A session where you are welcome to ask any questions regarding our group and its financial performance. Now I will turn the floor to Mr. Kokkolis for his opening remarks and his perspective on the market environment.
Spyridon Kokkolis
executiveThank you, Nikos, and good afternoon, and welcome, everyone. During the second quarter, we operated in a far from stable environment. The war in the Gulf, which began at the end of February, caused significant disruptions to the global supply chains of oil, gas and aluminum, among other things. Our first concern was to secure a supply of aluminum and special slabs as a large part of our current contracts were for materials produced in this area. As we said on the first quarter call, we had already secured our quantities throughout August. We can now safely say that we're well supplied for the whole year and beyond. On the side of copper, we have 2 things affecting copper. Although no primary copper is produced in the region, a lot of sulfuric acid is, and this is necessary for the production of copper concentrate. In addition, the expected decision on U.S. tariff on copper cathodes expected to come out on June 30 created again a modest arbitrage window between prices in the LME and COMEX, which drew some more cathodes to the U.S. However, at no point did we face issues with our copper supply. Of course, the situation in the Gulf has yet to be resolved and its duration may have broader implications on energy prices, on inflation, on interest rates and the situation still seems to be very volatile, as we all know, and there can be no certainty about when it will end and what will the long-term effect be? Before I pass the floor to my colleagues to give you a full view of results for the period, allow me to take this opportunity to both thank and congratulate everyone in the financial department of the company, but also of the group. This year, the group decided to improve closing procedures and to publish results for all companies in the beginning of August rather than September, without losing any accuracy, which is very important to us. Despite the extra pressure our recent share capital increase has put on the financial department, they were so effective with these new procedures that we were able to bring the results announcement date even earlier. Again, thanks and well done. And now I'll pass the floor to Nick.
Nikos Kallergis
executiveThank you, Mr. K. Now let me walk you through the presentation and the highlights of the semester. ElvalHalcor delivered a strong first half amid a challenging and volatile economic environment. The Aluminum segment grew sales volume by 7% to 227,000 tonnes, led by packaging and transportation, while copper volumes held steady at 91,000 tonnes. Higher sales volumes, partially offset by inflationary pressures resulted in increased operational profitability with adjusted EBITDA reaching EUR 143 million, up by 7% compared to the prior year respective period. Earnings before taxes surged to EUR 159 million, mostly affected by the positive accounting method results, which rose by EUR 71 million year-on-year. Net debt stood at EUR 548 million, down by EUR 82 million from the first half of 2027, thanks to a robust operational profitability and strong cash generation, which more than covered working capital needs, capital expenditure and the increased dividend of EUR 41 million. Compared to the year-end, net debt decreased by EUR 57 million despite the sharp rise in LME prices that drove higher working capital needs through the period. Deleveraging continued with a net debt to adjusted EBITDA ratio improved to 2.2x from 2.4x in the first half of 2025. At this point, I will hand over to Mr. Giazitzoglou, who will cover the details of our performance.
Angelos Giazitzoglou
executiveThank you, Nick. Before we see numbers and performance, let me present the macro environment in which we operate during the first half of the year. From the graph for natural gas and electricity prices, it is evident that during the second quarter, geopolitical developments in the Middle East contributed to upward pressure in energy markets. However, the first semester had no material impact with energy costs remaining at lower levels than the corresponding period of '25. Electricity costs were lower year-over-year with down prices down 15% versus '25 and TTF broadly stable. Eurozone inflation increased from 2.2% to 2.6%, meaning labor, third-party services and other production costs remained under pressure. Euribor stayed stable at June, reducing net financial costs. So the cost environment was mixed. Energy and rates were supportive, but inflationary pressures remain visible and energy trends upward over the period-end. Moving on the next slide about the LME prices. Both metals followed the same trend that started in '25. Aluminum price is up 24% year-over-year, while copper is up 30%. Copper hit historic highs in May. So higher metal prices supported revenue and metal results, but also increased working capital intensity and underpin market volatility. The next question is how these external conditions affected the group's cost base. Total costs, excluding metal costs, increased by 5% to EUR 367 million versus EUR 349 million in '25. Employee benefits remained the largest cost category at 28% and third-party fees increased to 17%, both reflecting inflationary pressures. Energy declined from 16% to 13%, helped by lower electricity prices. The message is balanced. Inflation was visible, but lower energy costs and operating discipline limited the impact on adjusted profitability. Now let's look at where the operational growth came from, starting with the aluminum volumes and market mix. Starting from the graph at the top of the slide, we see that for a second consecutive quarter, aluminum volumes stood higher than the respective quarters of the previous year, up 8% and 6%. The momentum remained positive with volumes rising to 227,000 tonnes in '26, up 7% year-over-year. Transportation increased strongly by 34%, reaching 15% of segment volumes, while Rigid packaging remained the largest market at 51% of volumes and grew approximately 9%. Flexible packaging, HVAC and industrial applications were stable, while building and construction moved lower. Aluminum growth is not only volume driven, but also tied to attractive end markets linked to megatrends such as circularity and lightweighting. Moving to copper volumes. The copper segment demonstrated resilient performance during the second quarter, focused on shifting to higher value products and markets rather than increasing volumes in unprofitable markets. Volumes reached 91,000 tonnes, up 0.6% year-over-year. Energy and Power Networks grew by 8%, supported by grid investment across Europe, industrial applications by 9% and HVAC by 4%, underpinned by heat pumps installation, air conditioning and data centers projects. This was offset by a 20% decline in building and construction and 5% decline in transportation, mirroring the reduced output from European automotive manufacturers. With the end market picture covered, let's move to the geographical revenue mix across both segments. Starting with the Aluminum segment. On the left-hand side, we see that the geographic mix remained stable. Europe continues to be the dominant market, while the Americas remained significant at 13% despite duties. Now moving to the copper segment. Europe stands out as the dominant market with our presence in other areas remaining stable. It is evident that the group has diversified the international footprint with providing the core revenue base. Okay. Having reviewed now volume and revenue mix, let's move to profitability. The second quarter was particularly strong for the Aluminum segment at EUR 51 million, up 10% year-over-year following an equal positive first quarter. Adjusted EBITDA is EUR 91 million in the first semester compared to EUR 81 million in '25 and the adjusted EBITDA per tonne increased from 383 per tonne to 401, up by 5%. The drivers for this performance were volume growth, improved margins and lower energy costs. The segment benefits from prior investments, operational improvement and favorable product mix. Now on this slide, we have a graph showing EBITDA per tonne, which is a very useful indicator of value creation in both segments. And before discussing the trend, let me briefly explain the metric. Our industrial value-added represents the value created by our industrial transformation processes and excludes the direct impact of metal prices. So when adjusted EBITDA per ton tells us how much profitability we get from it, EVA per ton tell us how the quality and the value we generate from every ton sold. Aluminum EVA per ton increased by 3% compared to the previous year and is moving at the same positive direction as adjusted EBITDA per ton. Now moving to the copper segment. During the second quarter, the copper segment experienced a more competitive environment with pricing pressures and cost inflation. However, it maintained operational profitability of EUR 52 million in '26, slightly below 53 million in '25. EBITDA per ton from 584 to 572. On this slide, I will emphasize EVA, which is likely more engaging and insightful. Despite the challenging pricing environment and margin pressure in some product categories, EVA increased by 5%. The increase in per ton indicates that our product mix and value-added positioning improved, which underpins the strategic shift toward higher value-added products like energy, infrastructure, industrial applications and data centers. Now let's bring all these developments together into a consolidated financial picture. This slide provides the best summary of the group's overall performance. Volumes increased by approximately 5% to 390,000 tonnes, reflecting continued momentum in aluminum and the resilient performance in copper. Revenue increased by 18% to approximately EUR 2.2 billion, supported by higher volumes and significantly higher aluminum and copper prices. Most importantly, adjusted EBITDA increased to EUR 143 million, up approximately 7% year-over-year. Despite inflationary pressure on labor, services and product costs, the group delivered higher adjusted profitability through volume growth, improved product mix and continued operational discipline. In addition, the metal result increased significantly, reaching approximately 78 million versus EUR 7 million last year. As a result, EBITDA increased by approximately 52% to 212 million and EBIT increased by approximately 17% to 159 million. The next slide illustrates the EBITDA increase and shows which factors drove the year-over-year bridge. The EBIT bridge demonstrate that the first semester of '26 earnings growth was driven by both strong operating performance and highly supportive metal price environment, resulting in a significant increase in reported profitability. EBITDA increased from approximately EUR 89 million in '25 to 159 million in '26, a very strong year-over-year improvement. The largest contributor was the result, which added approximately EUR 71 million. This reflects the significantly higher aluminum and copper price environment during the first half and explains most of the increase in reported profitability. Volumes contributed approximately 11 million, demonstrating underlying demand resilience and good operating execution, particularly in aluminum. Offsetting factors included EUR 4 million from price cost and mix, EUR 4 million from SG&A and EUR 5 million from other income expenses, while financial costs were broadly stable. Having explained the P&L bridge, let's show how this translated into cash flow. While adjusted EBITDA and evaluate performance, free cash flow reveals the actual cash generated for shareholder value. During the first semester, the group posted a very strong free cash flow of EUR 97 million. EBITDA was EUR 212 million. The main cash outflows were interest paid of EUR 8 million, working capital at EUR 39 million, affected by higher metal prices and investments of $56 million. Moreover, we paid EUR 6 million in debt and paid a higher dividend of EUR 41 million. Moving to the balance sheet. The slide illustrates how strong cash flow generation and disciplined working capital management enabled the group to reduce net debt and improve leverage despite higher metal prices, increased CapEx and dividend payments. Working capital was EUR 596 million in June '26, up 7% versus year-end, reflecting elevated LME prices. However, it remained materially lower year-over-year despite much higher metal prices, demonstrating tight inventory and receivables control. Net debt was EUR 548 million, down EUR 57 million from year-end and EUR 82 million year-over-year. Leverage improved to 2.2x, while financial costs declined to EUR 17 million, reflecting lower rates and lower debt levels. Finally, let's look at our CapEx -- we recently completed 250 million share capital increase to finance a 455 million CapEx program. These new investments will enable us to increase final capacity in the aluminum segment and increase the usage of recycled materials in both segments. For the first semester, CapEx is targeted to support future growth, efficiency and operational flexibility. Before we move to the Q&A session, let me summarize the group's performance during the first semester of '26. The group delivered a strong first half, combining volume growth, strong adjusted profitability and a much stronger EBITDA. Volumes increased, indicating continued momentum in key markets despite the challenging macroeconomic and geopolitical environment. The 7% increase in adjusted EBITDA that operating execution remains strong and that we successfully navigated cost inflation. Despite working capital needs, CapEx and dividends, the financial position continues to strengthen with the group further reducing net debt and improving leverage. And most importantly, all the above were achieved in a very demanding environment due to geopolitical tensions, inflationary pressures and metal price volatility. I think now we can take your questions.
Unknown Analyst
analystI noticed that there was working capital went very well, the management of working capital this quarter was very well. Can you elaborate on what actions you took -- that's one. And if you can discuss what is driving the increase in industrial value in the segment and whether we should be expecting that to hold or even increase going I will start with the...
Angelos Giazitzoglou
executiveThat the LME price, the elevated prices put some pressure in our working capital. Of course, we have to say that working capital is always rising in the first months of the year and improves as the year progresses towards the end. In order to mitigate the risk on the volatility of the LME prices and the increased working capital, we are optimizing our inventory monitoring to better control the price impact. We had some issues during '25 with the disruptions that we experienced in the raw material market with the imposition of tariffs. As said at the beginning of the presentation, we managed to secure our raw materials for '26 during first quarter until August. Now we are secured for the whole year. And we believe that the way that we control our inventories during the year will give us the opportunity to improve our working capital for the future months. Now about the EVA, I think that your question was what the improvement of Eva and copper suggest and if we can further improve E per ton. Am I correct?
Nikos Kallergis
executiveYes. Sorry, I was muted and I didn't manage to speak before. I will cover that. The question was about the increase in the industrial value added of the copper segment. Also, I have to add that 2024, which shows a larger was just seasonal. The average for the year was lower. Our target is definitely to improve and increase. What we are actively doing at the moment is decreasing the quantities of extruded brass products. So one reason why we had a very small increase overall for the semester in copper volumes was that we cut down 2,500 tonnes of brass rod production. So this helps improve the industrial value added of the segment. But also, we are generally turning even in the sectors of the -- that we are increasing in quantities to even higher value-added products all the time. So I believe that covers your question. And the target is for it to go higher. I will add also for the working capital to what Angelos said, that we can definitely go for the end of the year to even better figures than we had in the end of 2025. Of course, working capital and especially inventory is something that we target. We do not always guarantee that we will do it because it's also affected by external factors like supply chain disruptions, like metal price spikes that have various direct or indirect effects that are beyond our immediate and easy control. We have a written question by Mr. Which export markets are showing the strongest growth momentum?
Angelos Giazitzoglou
executiveWe have a question from a lot of questions, I think. I believe the first one about the working capital is already addressed. The second is about was the volume growth in packaging driven by market growth or by market share gains? What is the driver, how pricing in rigid packaging compares to other end markets? Okay. I will start with the growth in rigid packaging. Growth in packaging comes from market growth. The market is experiencing steady growth and because it is fully aligned with future megatrends of sustainability and green transition, we expect it to maintain that growth and likely accelerate. The market is undersupplied by domestic producers, creating for us a market opportunity in the next year. Now about pricing. In the market, there are products like beverages, whose prices are not at the upper end, but they are -- but they give us a lot of quantities. So we benefit from this to increase our profitability. But in this sector, we have products like food products where prices are very profitable. what has been the benefit on the results from the recent high premium through the recycling activity. On the flip side, what has been the cost impact of the Middle East disruption on the supply of ingots and slabs. I will start with premiums. The reason we are trying in both segments to increase our consumption of recycled materials is because the profit from the premium is significant. And yes, during the second quarter, higher premiums boosted our profitability. It is evident. After all, that is one of the reasons we are planning to further invest in scrap consumption in aluminum and copper. About the impact of the Middle East disruption on the supply of, I think Spiros has already addressed this topic, this issue. We...
Spyridon Kokkolis
executiveThink it addresses the cost side, which has not been significant because we had new contracts for new quantities. There's no significant difference between...
Angelos Giazitzoglou
executiveOkay. Moving on to the next question. Can you please -- this is regarding the copper segment. Can you please elaborate on the competitive pricing pressure and cost inflation? And how do you see them affecting performance over the next quarters? Okay. I will start with the extruded products. where imports from lower-cost countries such as China, Mexico, Vietnam and others account for almost 23% of European imports. So it is evident that pricing pressure is material. Now this is one of the reasons an anti-dumping investigation is already underway against those countries. We expect to be concluded positively in the end of the year. And I must say that we're already seeing the first ripple effects from customers that are placing orders to avoid the retrospective duties. Now regarding inflationary pressure, okay, inflation -- but as a group, we are trying through our selective investments, not only to unlock extra capacity, but also to achieve efficiencies that will enable us to capitalize on our advantages over competitors such as quality and trustworthiness. And this is also relates to the question of room for further growth. Of course, there is room for growth, especially in markets like heat pumps where we expect to see growth in the future. And because we are in a stronger position relative to our competitors, we are well positioned to gain this extra volume.
Unknown Analyst
analystAnd we have the capacity...
Angelos Giazitzoglou
executiveOkay. Let's move to the next question.
Nikos Kallergis
executiveYes. Mr. asks, which export markets are showing the strongest growth momentum? And how is geopolitical uncertainty affecting demand?
Spyridon Kokkolis
executiveWell, I will say that as you see from the chart, our export markets are the EU and European countries. However, we managed to retain a good presence in the U.S. Long term, with 50% duties, it's something that's perhaps not sustainable. Now geopolitical uncertainty is affecting demand both ways. In one sense, it's decreasing demand. In another sense, it might be creating some panic buying. But we believe that -- this has not happened significantly, and we expect no change in demand. Of course, it yet remains to be seen. And as I said in my opening statement, nobody knows yet what the long-term implications are going to be. And if this continues for long, I'm sure there are going to be significant long-term implications like increased global growth rates and long-term higher prices, which, of course, nobody wishes for. So everybody wishes for the fast resolution of this issue. But on the other hand, we go through a cautious hour every day, it starts again, it stops. I don't know if it stopped again since we started the call. We have to say. Let's go to the next.
Nikos Kallergis
executiveYes. Moving on to Mr. Murph's question. Could you please comment on how the third quarter has started? Are you seeing the strong momentum of the first half continuing in terms of demand and order intake? Or have recent geopolitical developments entirely changed the picture in any way?
Spyridon Kokkolis
executiveI think I already covered that in my previous answer. It's too early to say because doing our call earlier than usual also means that we see not much of the -- we see July. July is doing great, nothing to comment, not out of line. But what will happen is yet to be seen.
Nikos Kallergis
executiveMr. asks, how is the adjusted EBITDA per type, both for aluminum and copper going to be affected if the geopolitical tensions rise even more, say if the price of these commodities get plus 15% more than average price for the rest of the year?
Spyridon Kokkolis
executiveNot much. As we said, our adjusted EBITDA, we said a lot of times, which is the most representative metric of our operational profitability is not directly affected by the prices of the commodities because we pass through everything. There are indirect effects. And like what Angelos said before, we get a better benefit from scrap prices because the discounts that we buy our scrap, it's 10%, it's different if it's 10% on EUR 10,000 or 10% on EUR 20,000. It's a different discount. So there are other indirect effects like, for example, higher interest rate, of course, this does not affect the EBITDA. Maybe customers get scared and short term decrease their orders, but it is from the price movements. long term, the substitution, which has been done a lot in copper. We don't expect any more. We don't expect substitution in aluminum at reasonable prices, of course. So it's not going to affect the adjusted EBITDA.
Nikos Kallergis
executiveMoving on to Mr. last question regarding CBAM. You mentioned in the press release that CBAM already in place, but there's no tangible benefits as of yet. Can you please discuss what the benefits will be for you and the potential financial impact and the likely timing that they will accrue?
Spyridon Kokkolis
executiveWe don't expect significant effects from CBAM. CBAM will mean that all imports of aluminum products will be more costly because they will pay the CBAM for aluminum, which will make it a level playing field because we already have a cost of carbon that the important material does not have. However, it's not so huge, so big in comparison to the whole price of aluminum and to the whole conversion price to really affect the pricing of the competition. So it's not like if we go to the steel segment, where we're talking about a very higher value cost of CBAM in comparison to the whole price then they cannot absorb it. So the prices have risen for all European producers. We do not expect to have some significant or visible change in a whole -- total price of an aluminum product being at around EUR 3,000, EUR 4,000. I mean EUR 5 or EUR 20 or EUR 30, whatever the CBAM is going to be depending on the country, it's not going to affect the whole situation.
Nikos Kallergis
executiveMr. Renault has 2 questions. The first one is copper profitability remained under pressure despite stable volumes. Should we expect an improvement in the second half?
Spyridon Kokkolis
executiveWell, it depends. It depends a lot on how this action will affect the demand for European products because one big part of the price pressure has been the imported and rising imports in the last years of Mexican, Vietnamese, et cetera, et cetera, products. So this will affect things. And the other is what competition is doing. However, we are increasing quantities. We are improving our operational efficiency after having done investments to increase capacity in the rolled products. And we'll have to see. We don't want to foresee the future here or give any guidance on it. However, we can say that it's strong profitability. We've reached significantly high levels after 2023, and we're maintaining a very good profitability, and this is the target and gaining market share because we can become gradually reach #2 in rolled products and #1 in [indiscernible] and, of course, maintain our #1 in copper tubes in Europe.
Nikos Kallergis
executiveSecond question, you have medium and long-term targets for volumes and adjusted EBITDA. When do you expect to reach these milestones? Is it reasonable to expect the medium-term targets to be achieved before the investment program is completed in 2030?
Angelos Giazitzoglou
executiveI think Thomas is referring to our new investment program that we have announced the capital increase. We said during this presentation about the share capital increase that the investments in aluminum segment, we expect to have our new cast house operational by 2029 and the new cold rolling mill in 2030. For the investments in the copper segment, we expect to have them operational at '27 late '27, early '28 and '29. So we expect to see an incremental profitability from this year onwards. But it will be lower than the profitability that we expect to have through the increase of capacity in the aluminum segment and the increase in recyclable usage with the new house. So yes, we expect to have some incremental benefits before 2030, but the biggest portion of that will be after 2030.
Nikos Kallergis
executiveMr. Mor returns with a question. You announced a share buyback program today, only a few weeks after completing your capital increase. What message are you trying to send to the market? Do you believe the current valuation does not fully reflect the company's medium-term growth prospects?
Spyridon Kokkolis
executiveWell, first of all, we always have for the last 3 years, share buyback program starting at this period or thereabouts. So this is one of the reasons that we started it. Generally, we believe that a lot of long-term investors entered our share capital increase looking at our business plan and our prospects. And of course, it's probably an opportunity to get the shares that we need for our future needs for the incentive program of the company. And I have nothing more to say. I mean you can understand whatever you can understand. quite clear.
Nikos Kallergis
executiveOkay. Mr. ask which part of the EBITDA increase is structural and which is cyclical?
Spyridon Kokkolis
executiveThis is -- it's quite clear where the difference between adjusted EBITDA and EBITDA is. We always stress our adjusted EBITDA because the metal results, which is the part of the effect of the valuation of the metal price is something that -- it depends on the method of valuation. So -- you can look at the metal results and assume depending on what metal prices will be in the future, that it will either be 0 or be negative or continue to be positive. This is a part that's beyond our control because we do not affect metal prices. Our risk profile is fixed. We do not speculate. We do not gamble. We did not buy low to sell cheap or sell high to buy low. So metal result is the difference on the EBITDA that is cyclical or beyond our control and our operational actions.
Nikos Kallergis
executiveOkay. Moving on to Mr. Ronak's question. In the longer term, how much do you think your operating cost would have to grow as a result of the planned significant capacity increase in aluminum?
Spyridon Kokkolis
executiveWell, not significantly, but because we are operating it in the same plant actually. We're not building a new facility, which will not require a lot of extra things. So A, I don't know if you have to add something to that.
Angelos Giazitzoglou
executiveWe always said that this is one of the main drivers of the incremental profitability through our new investments. We will not have to increase our fixed costs because we already have the infrastructure. We already have added capacity from our previous investments. So we will increase our final capacity. We will increase, of course, our variable cost, but per ton, this is stable. We will not have to increase our fixed costs at the same level. So the incremental profitability will be as a result of this reality that we will not have to increase fixed costs. And the allocation of the existing fixed cost will be in much higher volumes.
Nikos Kallergis
executiveOkay. We have one last question from Mr. M. Following the successful capital raise and the strong first half performance, are there any projects within your EUR 850 million investment plan that you are now considering accelerating or bringing forward? Also, would you consider inorganic growth opportunities? Or does your capital allocation remain fully focused on executing the current investment plan?
Spyridon Kokkolis
executiveI wouldn't say that we change our plans every 2 weeks regarding our investments and bringing them forward because 1 month because we did the presentations and prepared the latest business plan and updated it not more than 2 months ago. So it's not like we'll bring something forward. The main investments will go ahead but they can't go because, of course, they are big investments and they cannot be accelerated. You cannot press a button and have a new cold mill. unfortunately, it takes time. Now regarding inorganic growth opportunities, we are always looking into them. It's not our preference, but we always have our eyes open and may do something, but it's not our #1 focus. Our #1 focus is organic growth. This does not again, but we are blind and may not take a good opportunity. And we have 2 people thanking us for our effort and Mr. [indiscernible] and Mr.[indiscernible].
Angelos Giazitzoglou
executiveThank you.
Nikos Kallergis
executiveCan you please remind us what is the level of maintenance CapEx? And how will this be affected after the new investments?
Angelos Giazitzoglou
executiveIt will be around -- if we talk about only maintenance because we have some operational CapEx. Also, if we talk about maintenance, no more than EUR 40 million -- sorry, per year, EUR 40 million to EUR 50 million per year will be the maintenance CapEx that we will have for the next years. And if this will be affected by the new investments, not so much because at the beginning, the need for maintenance CapEx is not so high. So we don't expect to see a significant increase in maintenance, but we will have our operational CapEx also. So you can consider that around EUR 80 million to EUR 90 million per year will be the CapEx, excluding any...
Spyridon Kokkolis
executiveI think we have no further questions. So we'd like to thank you for your participation in our webcast. And we trust in your long-term belief in our business plan and prospects. Thank you very much.
Unknown Analyst
analystThank you. Thank you.
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