Embassy Office Parks REIT (EMBASSY.BO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
July 31, 2025
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Operator
operatorGood evening, everyone. A very warm welcome to all for the Embassy REIT's First Quarter FY 2026 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded. I would now like to introduce your host for today's conference, Mr. Amit Anil Kharche, Head of Corporate Finance for Embassy REIT. Sir, you may begin now.
Amit Kharche
executiveThank you. Welcome to the first quarter FY '26 Earnings Call for Embassy REIT. Embassy REIT released its financial results for the quarter ended June 30, 2025, a short while back. As is our standard practice, we have placed our financial results, earnings presentation discussing our performance and a supplemental financial and operating data book in the Investors section of our website at www.embassyofficeparks.com. As always, we would like to inform you that management may make certain comments on this call that one could deem forward-looking statements. Please be advised that REIT's actual results may differ from these statements. Embassy REIT does not guarantee these statements or results and is not obliged to update them at any time. Specifically, any financial guidance or pro forma information that we will provide on this call are management estimates based on certain assumptions and have not been subjected to any audit review or examination procedures. You are cautioned not to place undue reliance on such information, and there can be no assurance that we will be able to achieve the same. Joining me today are Ritwik Bhattacharjee, our CEO; Amit Shetty, our COO; and Abhishek Agrawal, our CFO. We will start off with the brief remarks on our business and financial performance and then open the floor to the questions. Over to you, Ritwik.
Ritwik Bhattacharjee
executiveThank you, Amit. Good evening, everyone, and thank you for joining us on the call today. Before I discuss the earnings for the quarter, I'm pleased to announce that the Board has approved the appointment of Amit Shetty as the Chief Executive Officer of Embassy REIT effective August 1, 2025. Amit is currently the Chief Operating Officer and known to many of you already as a member of our leadership team. Amit has played an instrumental role in building Embassy REIT into India's leading commercial office enterprise, and I wish him the very best. I will be a senior adviser to the REIT. It's been a real privilege to have led Embassy REIT and been a part of this organization, and I thank Jeetu, Aditya, the Board and the entire REIT team for their continued support and trust. I will pass it on to Amit to say a few words.
Amit Shetty
executiveThanks, Ritwik. Good evening, everyone. I'm really pleased to lead the Embassy REIT at such an exciting time for our business. I look forward to working with the team and interacting with all of you. The business is in very good shape. And as you will see during the earnings call later, the fundamentals are very strong, and we've got a very strong quarter to announce as well. Over to you, Ritwik.
Ritwik Bhattacharjee
executiveThanks, Amit. As Amit alluded to, we're really pleased to report a strong start to FY '26. So here are some of the highlights for the quarter. We've leased 2 million square feet across 25 deals, up 9% year-on-year. The 2 million square feet marked our highest ever Q1 fiscal quarter leasing. The leasing includes approximately 1 million square feet of new leases at re-leasing spreads of around 38%, 4000 square feet of renewals and 700,000 square feet of precommitments, which is a real shot in the arm from GCCs, technology and health care companies accounting for the majority of leasing. Our occupancy stands at 88% by area and 91% by value, both up by around 300 basis points year-on-year. Excluding Quadron in Pune, our occupancy is 91% by area and 92% by value. All Bangalore assets are now over 90% leased, reaffirming the strength of our core market, which contributes 75% of our GAV. Overall, 10 of our 14 properties are above 90% in occupancy, including 6 at 100%. GCCs continue to drive demand and account for 64% of portfolio rentals across approximately 100 tenants. Pre-leasing activity led by Chennai has been the clear theme this quarter. Block 10, which is roughly around 0.43 million square feet, 430,000 square feet at Embassy TechZone in Chennai, which is scheduled for delivery in Q2 has been fully pre-leased to a global health care company that's already a tenant of ours. Block 4, which is 600,000 square feet in Chennai has been 14% pre-leased, including the expansion option to Dexian. In Embassy Manyata, Block D1 and D2, which is slated for delivery in the Q4, FY '26, saw an additional pre-leasing of approximately 160,000 square feet, which brings the total precommitment for this block to approximately 80%. Our FY '26 deliveries of 3.2 million square feet are now 84% pre-leased, including expansion options. Just a quick note on strategic capital recycling and some inorganic growth. We've entered binding documents to divest approximately 376,000 square feet at Embassy Manyata that comprises 2 strata owned blocks, including a vacant vintage block that requires significant CapEx. This exit aligns with our capital recycling, and this deal is expected to close in the coming quarters, subject to conditions precedent. In addition, we've received an invitation to offer from Embassy Developments Limited, or EDL, a potential 3.3 million square feet commercial project in Whitefield, the opportunity, Whitefield Bangalore, excuse me. The opportunity is under evaluation in line with applicable regulations and governance protocols. In other updates, the 518 key Hilton hotels at Embassy Tech Village is on track for October 26 delivery. The remaining 2.8 million square feet of commercial pipeline scheduled for FY '27, '28 is 30% pre-leased, including expansion options. The Hospitality segment is tracking in line with expectations with 60% occupancy and 9% year-on-year growth in revenue and EBITDA, aided by 10% growth in ADR. Given geopolitical events in the Middle East, we did see that some travel plans were disrupted in the quarter, and that did have a small impact on our portfolio, but overall, the market has stabilized pretty significantly thereafter. The solar performance remains muted due to the lower unit generation, coupled with reduced tariffs in Karnataka. So overall, a very solid quarter, which positions us very well for the rest of FY '26. I'll hand it over to Abhishek to present our financial updates.
Abhishek Agrawal
executiveThank you, Ritwik, and good evening, everyone. Let me take you through the financial highlights for Q1. Revenue from operations stood at INR 1,060 crores, up 13% year-on-year and NOI at INR 872 crores, up 15% year-on-year. This increase was largely driven by new leasing, rental escalations, recent deliveries and contributions from the fully integrated Embassy's Splendid TechZone asset. We declared distributions of INR 550 crores or INR 5.8 per unit for the quarter, representing a growth of 4% year-on-year. This was supported by NOI growth and working capital changes, partially offset by increase in interest expenses. During the quarter, we raised INR 4,225 crores of debt at a blended coupon of 7.18%, which was largely used to refinance higher cost debt. This included NCD issuance of INR 750 crores at a coupon of 6.97%, which is the lowest coupon we have ever achieved in the last 4 years, reaffirming our positions as a top-tier credit in India's commercial real estate sector. Our net debt stands at INR 2,0183 crores as on 30th June 2025, implying a leverage ratio of 33% with an average in-place coupon of 7.59%. Following the debt refinance post quarter closure, our in-place coupon now stands at 7.55%, reiterating our strong balance sheet position with dual AAA credit ratings. In addition to above, we recently raised a 10-year NCD of INR 2,000 crores at an effective coupon of 7.33%; this issuance saw strong participation from leading insurers, pension funds and mutual funds. This marks the first 10-year issuance by a REIT in India, underscoring the strength and quality of our credit profile. Now moving on to the forward outlook for FY '26. We remain on track with the FY '26 guidance that we provided last quarter. We continue to expect our NOI to be in the range of INR 3,589 crores to INR 3,811 crores and DPU to be in the range of INR 24.50 to INR 26 per unit. At midpoint, this guidance implies a 13% growth in NOI and a 10% growth in DPU on a year-on-year basis. I will now go through some of the key assumptions underlying our full year FY '26 guidance with 1 quarter of the year behind us. We continue to expect portfolio occupancy to be between 90% and 91% by area or between 93% and 94%, excluding Quadron at the end of FY '26. Hotel NOI is expected to grow by approximately 9% year-on-year, supported by steady improvements in both occupancy and ADR. Interest costs are anticipated to rise by 10% to 12% year-on-year, primarily due to the impact of the asset deliveries in FY '25 and the planned deliveries during the remainder of FY '26. We remain committed to delivering on these growth metrics while optimizing capital efficiency and maintaining strong cash flows. With this, let us now move to Q&A.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Puneet from HSBC.
Puneet Gulati
analystFirst of all, thank you to Ritwik for holding the fort in the interim and Amit, welcome to your new role and best wishes for that. Secondly, my first question is to do with the thought behind divestment of Manyata asset. And if you can reveal a bit more to who you are selling to, what is driving this thought process? And how should one think about valuations, yields, et cetera, on this asset? And what does it do to your future thought of at one point of time acquiring more of these assets within Manyata?
Ritwik Bhattacharjee
executiveAnything else? First of all, thanks, Puneet, for those kind words. Any other question? Or is this it?
Puneet Gulati
analystSecond is also, if you can, we can get your thoughts on the divestment of the Pune asset, which was at one point of time contemplated. Is that not in consideration anymore? And lastly, if you can also talk a bit about leasing environment right now in the context of what's happening around the globe. Any updated thoughts would be very helpful. That's all.
Ritwik Bhattacharjee
executiveOkay. Let me, we'll parcel this out. I think on Manyata, I'll let Amit Kharche handle that, and then we'll move on to talking about Pune for a little while. I'll start with Pune a little bit, and then Amit Shetty can add on to that and then move on to leasing. But Kharche, why don't you go first?
Amit Kharche
executiveSure, Puneet. So, to whom we are selling, that is one thing we have a confidentiality with them, which we won't be able to share on this call. But for the rationale behind the divestment, it's simple. These are, let's say, 20-year-old blocks facing an occupancy risk, and it will require a substantial refurbishment if we were to bring it back the occupancy, which we are seeing in Manyata. So, we got an opportunity. Second, someone was willing to pay us 2.2% higher than the independent valuation. So, we just thought we'll divest this asset and use this use of proceeds for a future proposition if we were to repay debt or use these proceeds for any strategic acquisition or anywhere else. So that is the plan right now. We have entered into binding documents. As and when we'll be able to move closer to the closing, we'll keep the market updated about the use of proceeds.
Abhishek Agrawal
executiveJust to add on what Amit said, I was saying that these are just strata blocks in 2 of the buildings, which were some floors. And the building also had a lot of other strata owners. So operationally also, it makes sense to, I mean, that also helped us to take this.
Amit Shetty
executiveYes. Just adding, Puneet, this asset had about 17 other strata owners, right? And the fact of the matter is that of the 375,000 that we owned, 231,000 is currently leased, 145,000 is vacant. Of that 231,000, about 105,000, there is an exit notice as well. And so, it just made logical sense for us because new leasing will require a significant amount of investment plus the risk of holdover and waiting of time. And we just thought that there was a great opportunity for us to recycle the capital. And that's what we thought is the right thing to do for the business. Moving on to Pune. Yes.
Ritwik Bhattacharjee
executiveLook, let me start with Pune and Amit, why don't you add on. I think on Quadron, yes, we had spoken to the market about taking it off and maybe if somebody wanted to have it, given sort of the fact that there were a number of issues with the location, the fact that IT services, that was a lot of that was a large tenant and left it and kind of reached havoc on occupancy. And I think the fundamental thing was we did get sort of people kicking it around for a few numbers, but there certainly weren't anything we were interested in. And ultimately, we just took a call internally and even we're having a chat with the Board at various times that, look, at some point in time, look, the cycle turns, right? And I think if we are okay with waiting it out. Clearly, I think we've always approached it from, if there's absent a good price for this, we are more than happy to think about sort of keeping it with us for the moment. Pune is obviously expanding. It's doing well. And yes, while it's not maybe some of the other pricier parts of Pune, at some point when the metro comes in, at some point when Navi Mumbai Airport sort of picks up and you see that kind of traction, we could see a turnaround. I mean we're seeing a turnaround in Noida at this point in time. where you wait long enough for the asset eventually turn. So, I think for now, we're content to keep it, you should just, I'll be totally transparent. We also just look at the portfolio and the numbers of the portfolio ex Quadron for a bit. It's just, I think, the way that we think that it should run, it's a fraction of the value of the portfolio and the contributing analysis of the business. And yes, it's unfortunate that it's reached that position. But I think at some point in time, it will turn. But yes, I'll leave it at that. Amit, did you have anything to add?
Amit Shetty
executiveNo I think you covered it all, Ritwik. And I'd probably move to the third question that Puneet asked is how do we look at the overall market from a leasing perspective. Puneet, I mean, look, the markets look really good. There's a lot of activity happening in the market. It's been a very robust first quarter '19, almost about 20 million square feet getting absorbed and the supply is actually chasing the demand. The IPCs have projected approximately drop in vacancies as well across the country, which is really encouraging. The rental rates are moving up, right, about 5% to 7%. So, I think it's an overall great story for us. And also, Chennai is really firing for us. We've just pre-leased about 0.5 million square feet plus in Chennai. We've done some interesting pre-lease in Bangalore, and that momentum continues in both the market. We've done some exciting work in Noida. We've done about 225,000 square feet that we've already leased, and we've got a very, very active pipeline of about 1.5 million square feet, right? And the market is seeing potentially about 12 million square feet of active RFPs. And we're participating in about 90% of these RFPs. So, the story can't be greater for us.
Puneet Gulati
analystUnderstood. And just lastly, on the walk down from NOI growth to NDCF growth. You did talk about some bit of interest rate impact. But should it have been that stark a 15% NOI growth translates into less than 4% NDCF growth? What are some of the other factors? And how should we think about this? Because a lot of new assets also came in, right, in the last couple of quarters.
Abhishek Agrawal
executiveYes, Puneet. So, there are total 3 parts to it. One is the interest portion. The second one is payment of the property tax. So, what actually happens is the property tax of Bangalore properties was paid for the full year in the first quarter itself. So, there is that second impact. And the third impact is the properties that we delivered in the last year, last quarter. Now the noncash NOI has kicked in right now. However, the cash NOI will kick in from Q2 and Q3 onwards.
Puneet Gulati
analystYou're saying they are not rent yielding per se, they're still in the rent-free period?
Abhishek Agrawal
executiveYes. Yes, because we delivered it in the last quarter. Now the cash rent actually, the RCD starts in Q2, Q3 onwards.
Puneet Gulati
analystBut the interest on the debt you had taken for this, you start paying that now from the last quarter onwards.
Abhishek Agrawal
executiveAbsolutely.
Puneet Gulati
analystOkay. And the property tax, if you could share the quantum? And should it not be a part of pre-NOI expense because NOI also grew 15%, right?
Abhishek Agrawal
executiveYes. So, what happened is property tax is, yes, you are right. So, it is a pre-NOI expense, but the cash went out, but NOI, the larger chunk was also the noncash. So, all these 3 taken together explains the difference between 13% of NOI and 4% of DPO.
Puneet Gulati
analystSo noncash rent versus interest, I would, should assume is the gap between NOI growth versus NDCF?
Abhishek Agrawal
executiveYes.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from the line of Pritesh Sheth from Axis Capital Limited.
Pritesh Sheth
analystCongrats, Amit, for your elevation. First, on this divestiture, just trying to understand, so these blocks that we are now having off, they were not contributing to rents as of now? Or what is the NOI rental kind of impact? Obviously, it will be miniscule, but just trying to understand whether they were contributing anything or not?
Amit Kharche
executiveYes. So, Pritesh, right now, the occupancy is around 6% and we have received additional notices for these blocks. Post that occupancy will drop to around 32%. And we see the rentals in the range of INR 8 crores, which will be close to 2% NOI post the exit.
Pritesh Sheth
analystOkay. Got it. And this is part of the [MR] block, is it?
Amit Kharche
executiveYes.
Pritesh Sheth
analystOkay. Okay. Second question on Splendid TechZone. I think the first block that's coming up in September saw good pre-leasing. What's the outlook on the second one? Will that also be fully leased before it's, before it's delivered completely or below 5 lakhs leasing a year should be a good leasing run rate in Chennai that we see?
Amit Shetty
executiveAbsolutely. Pritesh, firstly, thank you for your wishes. And from an overall Chennai perspective, the market is actually really, really hot. So, in terms of the overall supply, there is actually no quality supply in the market. And we are probably one of those developers who's actually got stock that's actually coming up into the market in the right point of time. Having said that, to answer your question on Block 4, we've already pre-leased about 14% to a company called Dexian, and we've got a very strong pipeline. The hope is that we will pre-lease this, but we are confident that at least 50% of that building will get pre-leased before delivery.
Pritesh Sheth
analystSure. That's pretty helpful. And just one last on the cash taxes part. It has been like pretty much in the 5% of EBITDA kind of a range. since quite a few quarters. Would that run rate remain like for medium, longer term? Or eventually, we would start paying a little higher taxes, once your previous losses gets completely absorbed. So just guidance on that.
Abhishek Agrawal
executiveYes, Pritesh. So, the expectation is that for medium term, it will remain similar to 5%, but it will increase by, let's say, 1% in the longer term for the reasons...
Pritesh Sheth
analyst1% you are saying. 5% or so. So, it can go to like 6%, 7-odd percent.
Abhishek Agrawal
executiveIt can go to 6% or max 7%. The expectation is 6%.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from the line of Parvez Qazi from Nuvama Group.
Parvez Qazi
analystSo, my first question, I'm not sure if you've already covered this.
Operator
operatorI'm really sorry to interrupt. Paresh, you're sounding a bit muffled.
Parvez Qazi
analystIs it better now?
Operator
operatorThis is much better. Yes, please go ahead.
Parvez Qazi
analystSure. So, my first question is, I'm sorry if you've already answered it. I wanted to get your views on the recent tariff issue. How do you see things panning out for us, especially in the GCCs market? Because there have been talks about global leaders not wanting more U.S. jobs to come to India. So, I wanted to get your views on that. And second is some progress on the ACC front, any denotifications, et cetera, this quarter?
Ritwik Bhattacharjee
executiveYes. Let me take the first one, Parvez. Just look, I think it's very frankly, it's too early to call, right? I think the conversations around tariffs generally points to the fact that the U.S. administration is always looking to make a deal. And it doesn't necessarily always pan out that it tends to be a zero-sum game. There clearly is obviously a lot of noise in the market, but I think the market is also learning to deal with that. And it is something that we don't expect to subside over the coming quarters or even the coming year in this administration. I think, yes, there is, and it's not the first time that we've thought about the fact that, look, could U.S. companies be subject to sort of some kind of conditions about not hiring jobs in India and moving it overseas. I mean these are all sort of capitalistic corporations, right? I mean they exist to return, deliver returns for their shareholders. And I don't think it's sort of just such a binary outcome that you stop hiring and you start doing that. The economics of comparative advantage simply don't lend themselves to that. So, I think it's just, frankly, while there are tariffs, while tariffs do have consequences and they will obviously cause both by the inflationary and at the same time, could even lead to sort of a slowdown in economic activity and output. I don't think necessarily that it just means that people are going to stop hiring in India. And the other thing is that there's effectively, what we are seeing in our portfolio is that there is a massive migration towards GCCs and companies from other parts of the world. We've got Australian banks. We've got Danish health care companies. We've got Japanese companies, there's British companies. There's a whole host of GCCs worldwide and across sectors looking to hire in India simply for the talent. So, I think there's an incredible hedge that we have in the portfolio against sort of some of the American, the risks to the U.S. sort of part of the portfolio that we currently have. But even that, I don't think it's going to be, there might be some degree of rationalization in some form. But that, I would say, is normal course rationalization and not sort of structural sort of fling of labor by U.S. companies. On the SEZ, if you want to take that.
Operator
operatorParvez sir, we have lost the audio from your line.
Parvez Qazi
analystYes, I can't hear anything.
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, we have the line for the management reconnected. Please stay connected while we have the management back on line [Music] So please go ahead.
Ritwik Bhattacharjee
executiveSorry about that guys. Parvez, where did we lose you?
Parvez Qazi
analystThe SEZ issue.
Amit Shetty
executiveOkay. Just quickly recap, Parvez. The total SEZ that we have denotified so far is about 7.8 million square feet. Last quarter, we've denotified about 1.4 million square feet. And in future, we plan to denotify, demarket additionally 3.2 million square feet.
Parvez Qazi
analystAnd how much of the 7.8 million has been already leased?
Amit Shetty
executiveSo of that, about 74% is already leased.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from the line of Vikas from Kotak Securities Limited.
Vikas
analystThe transaction which you guys did in Manyata for INR 530 crores, you are saying that part of it, 145,000 square feet is vacant and some portion of the lease portion also will get vacated. Is there any clawback from the buyer in terms that you had to guarantee a yield for a certain period of time? Or there are no guarantees from the REIT to the buyer? The entire leasing risk and revenue risk is on the hands of the buyer?
Amit Kharche
executiveYes. So, there is no clawback, and we have already entered into a binding agreement. So, there is no clawback.
Vikas
analystAnd no guarantee of returns on the purchase price?
Amit Kharche
executiveNo, this is M&A as usual. Once we do the deal, the risk and reward gets transferred.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from the line of Vishal Parekh from Kotak Alternate Asset Managers Limited.
Vishal Parekh
analystI wanted to check regarding the recent consultation papers, which SEBI has quoted and various news reports regarding classification of REITs as equity for the mutual fund schemes. And there's also a certain one paper which they floated in July, which mentions that the REIT can be part of the residual portion of mutual fund scheme. So, what are your views around that? Is it positive or it could potentially be detrimental if debt and hybrid funds are not able to hold the REIT units?
Ritwik Bhattacharjee
executiveOkay. Let me start. I think for me, and this is my view, I've always thought of a REIT as being a high dividend paying stock, right? At the end of the day and the way that it's been structured worldwide is that they actually operate as companies. The enter equity indices. They're part of the S&P 500, the S&P 400 in America. They're part of the STI in Singapore. And I think I could go on and on with every country about how they treat it. I think the problem actually lies in the way we view it. And I think the problem is the fact that there's a lot of, it offers the characteristics, the security of a bond while giving you equity upside, maybe not the way that it does for high growth, but it certainly has mid-level, very attractive growth prospects. And I think it should be in the indices. And I think because now what that does is it brings in a whole bunch of passive money. It brings in, and let me tell you, global investors, we're already in the MSCI. We're already across every passive structure worldwide. So, you can actually buy it as a stock somewhere else. So, I just think that to make the asset class attractive in turn for India, you've got to treat it with that whole thing about being a stock and having that same mind share because I think we get told a lot that people don't know about it. They don't know about it because you treat it like a fixed income security. And I'm not saying, and listen, I have nothing but the highest respect for the security of fixed income. But I think for this asset class to be more mainstream, more liquid and also be safer in a way from the way it trades, it needs to have the balance of sort of an equity, the liquidity and that kind of exposure. Now does that mean that a debt and a hybrid security person doesn't do that? We can have a carve-out. I'm sure that's what I think we're trying to ask ourselves; how does that happen? We value the response of, it's totally up to how you have your mandate and your return profile work within your fund, right? I think if the volatility of the security basically sits there and messes up your returns, I think that's not a good thing for you. But at the same time, if there is a way you can participate because you can assume that, look, this is going to give you x over, let's say, whether it's a GSEC and then X over Y on your cost of capital on an IRR basis, I think it's, you can still invest in it. But I think structurally for us, we think about this, we've been talking to the regulators for, I mean, I've been personally talking to regulators for 6 years on this, right? And it's something that really needs to change at some point because otherwise, it's going to be very detrimental to the growth and the liquidity of the structure.
Abhishek Agrawal
executiveAnd Vishal, on the residual portion, definitely, that is very positive for us.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Sumit Kumar from JM Financial Services Limited.
Sumit Kumar
analystCongratulations on a good set of numbers and congratulations to Amit as well and all the best for the future. My question is regarding the guidance of occupancy, which is in the 90% to 91% range. Given that the deliveries of 3.1 million, a large part of it is already pre-leased. You're guiding for an incremental 4.6 million square feet. I would like to know your thoughts on that. Are you being conservative or it's something that has been built in your business plan that way?
Amit Shetty
executiveSo firstly, thank you for your wishes. Just from an overall perspective, we have about 5 million square feet of total vacancy, right? And we believe that about 2 million square feet of that is sitting in Bangalore. And by the end of the year, we have another 0.5 million square feet of that to be delivered in Chennai and 2.4 million square feet is in Pune, which is a drag. But given that we'll be able to fill our Bangalore and Chennai portfolio, we are pretty confident of achieving our guidance on the occupancy range.
Sumit Kumar
analystYes. But I think my question was more that a lot of these deliveries are already sort of fully leased or 100% preleased, only one block that we have about 14%. Wouldn't this number be a little more given the run rate that you've achieved in Q1?
Amit Shetty
executiveYes. I mean when we started the year, we gave this number because of the global tailwinds that we saw. And it's just, we are hopeful that we'll actually beat these numbers.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from the line of Vibhav Khandelwal from Laburnum Capital Advisors Private Limited.
Vibhav Khandelwal
analystSo recently, there was some news of an IT player cutting some 1,000 jobs approximately across its workforce. I just wanted to ask, are you hearing such news from any other IT players that are in our portfolio? I understand that it's like a relatively smaller portion of our occupancy base around 7%. But I just wanted to sort of get a sense of how you're thinking about it? How do you think this might impact us in the future if other players do the same thing?
Amit Shetty
executiveActually, we are not hearing a lot of noise around this. I mean, yes, obviously, TCS made that. But if you see the [Infosys] results, that is very, very strong, and we felt encouraged by seeing Infosys results. Having said that, like you rightly mentioned, the overall ITES portfolio is about 8%. And some of our existing ITES occupiers have actually taken up more space with us, right? So that's encouraging for us.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from the line of Harsh Modi from JPMorgan Chase & Company.
Harsh Modi
analystI just wanted to double-click on the discussion around risk from some of these discussions with the U.S., AI, all of that. So, I understand you are still getting a lot of inquiries and you are confident on delivering. But are the potential lessees trying to negotiate a contract where they can basically walk out or figure some way of reducing the commitment? Or are there any discussions which allows them to have a rethink if need be at a later date? Anything on those lines happening at all?
Amit Shetty
executiveNot really, like all our leases are very structured, very standard. So, leases have a tenure period with a lock-in that is predefined, right? So, there is no claw out of those contracts, right? So, these are all watertight agreements that we have with the occupiers. The second thing that we'd like to highlight is most of our occupiers are actually guys who have fitted out their own fit outs, which means that they've actually invested into the premises, right? And having said that, them walking out midway is very unlikely.
Harsh Modi
analystRight. No. But in terms of, I have a bad example, but there were a lot of put cases when there were [hello] high water contract in a different space. And there was a clause that said I'd pay you X million dollars and then I can walk out of the lease. I forget what's the legal term for that. But is there a request for something on those lines just to create some sort of leeway if things really become tough, let's say, if AI access takes a generic AI takes over. So how are you having those discussions?
Amit Shetty
executiveI mean, honestly, we've not had any discussions even remotely towards that direction. In fact, I've always been advocating a lot of AI work is actually coming into India. India happens to be the second largest AI talent pool across the world, right? And having said that, most of our occupiers within our portfolio are fully doing AI and actually, they're hiring a lot of AI talent, and that's the conversation that I'm actually having with the CXOs today.
Ritwik Bhattacharjee
executiveI think there's just a lot of early-stage sort of ruminations and discussions around what AI does, right? I mean I think there's a lot of stuff that's going to fundamentally change the way we work maybe, but I think it also just means it's an opportunity for people to reskill. But I don't think the first thing that's going to the domino to fall is Indian real estate and people restructuring, right? I mean, and having these sort of contracts that allows them to move out. I mean we didn't even see that during COVID, where you actually saw sort of a pandemic. There people were, a lot of people, because India still represented such value for real estate, they kept the spaces. I mean you've got to realize this is fundamentally extremely, compared to, let's say, New York or San Francisco or London or Hong Kong, this is still 1/3 to 1/5 the cost. So, I think it, and you can still hire people fast, you can hire people at scale, and it just makes sense to keep this. So no, we're not seeing that. I mean I think it takes a couple of more years to play out for what AI really means for the job market, but nothing of this sort right now.
Harsh Modi
analystGreat. And the final question is a bit more housekeeping. Cost of funds, if I'm on Slide 25, seems it declined 35 bps. Is it from annual, the 790 annual number? Or is it fourth quarter? I just want to understand how much has it gone down Q-o-Q? And let's say, knowing where interest rates are, how much more shall we expect decline in cost of funds over second and third quarter?
Abhishek Agrawal
executiveSo Harsh, the number that you are seeing, 7.9% was as at 31st March 2025 and 7.55% is as at 30th June. Now after considering all the refi that we have done out of the NCDs that we raised up to 30th June. Now post that, we also did raise, which is 10-year bond at an average of 7.33%. So that will further reduce this. And now from here on, what will also happen is the loans that we have from banks, which are variable rate now, bank loan interest rate, it's not coming down right now. It will take some time. So difficult to say where we will land, let's say, as at 31st March 2026. But definitely, it should be lower than where we are today.
Harsh Modi
analystNo, that's fair. Where I'm coming from is, one is I just wanted to see if you could quantify to the extent possible, a range is fine. And also, in case there is a, also I just want to understand sensitivity. In case we end up getting, let's pick a number, 50 basis points of cut, what does that mean for your cost of funds? And does it come with 1 quarter lag, 2 quarter lag? Just broad sensitivity is all I'm looking for.
Abhishek Agrawal
executiveOkay. So let me explain it this way. The total debt book is around INR 20,000 crores, half -- 58% is fixed now. Out of that, only INR 2,000 crores come up for refi. So, any rate cut from here on, we'll get benefit only on those. The balance 50% like 42% There, it depends because as of now, the last 50%, 50 basis point reduction, that benefit also we have not received till now because the MCLR of the bank has not gone down, still to bake in. But give you a range, it can be, let's say, 20, 25 basis points lower from here as of 30th March. But I mean, just, we'll have wait and watch game.
Operator
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