Enel Américas S.A. (ENELAM) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
July 30, 2025
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Operator
operatorGood day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Enel Américas Second Quarter and First Half 2025 Results Conference Call. My name is Victor, and I will be your operator for today. This presentation contains statements that could constitute forward-looking statements. These statements appear in a number of places in this presentation and include statements regarding the intent, belief or current expectations of Enel Américas and its management with respect to, among other things, Enel Américas business plans, Enel Américas's cost reduction plans, trends affecting Enel Américas's financial condition or results of operations, including market trends in the electricity sector of Chile or elsewhere, supervision of regulation of the electricity sector in Chile or elsewhere, and the future effect of any changes in the laws and regulations applicable to Enel Américas or its subsidiaries. Such forward-looking statements reflect only our current expectations, are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements as a result of various factors. These factors include a decline in the equity -- in the equity capital markets, an increase in the market rates of interest in the United States or elsewhere, adverse decisions by government regulators in Chile or elsewhere and other factors described in Enel Américas' integrated annual report. Readers are cautioned not to place undue reliance on those forward-looking statements, which state only as of their date. Enel Américas undertakes no obligation to release publicly the result of any revisions to these forward-looking statements, except as required by law. I would now like to turn the presentation over to Mr. Jorge Velis, Enel Américas' Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveThank you. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to our second quarter 2025 results presentation. I'm Jorge Velis, Head of Investor Relations of Enel Américas. Before we begin our presentation, let me remind you that on July 1, Giuseppe Turchiarelli was appointed as our new CEO, replacing Aurelio Bustilho. We would like to thank Aurelio for his commitment and contribution to our company and welcome and congratulate Giuseppe on this new challenge. In the coming slides, Giuseppe and our CFO, Rafael de la Haza, will be presenting the main figures of this period. Let me remind you that this presentation will follow the slides that have already been uploaded in the company's website. Following the presentation, we will have the Q&A session. If you want to make a question, please send it through the webcast or write us to our corporate e-mail, [email protected]. Now let me hand over the call to Giuseppe, who will start by outlining the main highlights of the period in Slide #3.
Giuseppe Turchiarelli
executiveThank you, Jorge. During the second quarter of 2025, we had an important increase in investment in Greece business of 26%, isolating the currency devaluation impact. This reflects our commitment to our customers to improve service quality and to be a more resilient company. In generation, we increased by 5% of our production, mainly explained by higher renewable capacity and better hydro condition in Colombia and Central America. EBITDA in this quarter reached $1.06 billion. If we isolate the impact coming from currency devaluation, EBITDA reached $1.16 billion, which is 17% higher than the same period of last year, mainly explained by better results in distribution in Argentina and Brazil and generation in Colombia and Central America. Thanks to the deployment of the funds that we received from the sale of Peruvian assets, we have been able to reduce our debt level and financial expense decreased by 37% this quarter compared to the second quarter of 2024. Finally, let me highlight that as of this quarter, due to the accountable reasons, our operation in Peru are no longer considered discontinued operations, meaning that its results are included in the operational part of our financial statement. Before going into details of our operational and financial performance of the period, I would like to present an update of the regulatory topics that we are facing this year in Slide 4. During 2025, occurred several regulatory news in our region. Beginning with Argentina, on June 30, we signed an agreement with CAMMESA and the Energy Secretariat regarding the settlement of outstanding debt of Edesur with CAMMESA . This agreement sets the timing and amount to be paid, improving the previous condition in terms of offering a payment plan of up to 72 installments, giving a 12-month grace period, applying a lower interest rate and changing the indexation of part of our debt from energy price to interest rate. This agreement allows us to recognize a positive impact of USD 99 million at EBITDA level and $59 million on net income level. This, along with the tariff review completed on May 1, allow us to have a better visibility on results for the coming year. Also in Argentina, El Chocón current contract expired in August 11, and we are waiting for the standard condition to be published. Also, we are closely following the potential sector reform that is at this moment in early discussions and among other things, is proposing the possibility of signing bilateral energy contracts and define a minimum contract level for distribution company. Moving to Brazil. The concession renewal process is moving ahead with some delay regarding the original timing. For Enel Rio, technical team has already issued a favorable report confirming full compliance with all legal, regulatory and operational requirements. For Enel Ceara and Enel Sao Paulo, we still don't have official news, but we are confident that despite the delay, the process is moving ahead as expected. In Brazil, we are also following a sector reform that is under discussion. The key pillar of this reform are tariff justice, market liberalization and sector balance reviewing subsidies for the new renewable generation. We expect to have news about this in the coming months. Finally, in Colombia, the commercialization tariff revision process is moving ahead, while the distribution tariff process, the new guidance for the process were published in July 25 and are open for comment until September, acting as the first assessment step for the process. In Generation business, a low project dropped the cap at 5% the energy sales of hydro projects in the spot market is under discussion. Now let's analyze our investment of the period in the coming slide. During the second quarter of the year, our CapEx increased by 5% compared to the same period of the last year, reaching $539 million. This is mainly explained by higher CapEx in Greece in Brazil and Argentina and in generation in Colombia. 52% of the total investments were devoted to Brazil and 35% to Colombia. We see that Argentina is becoming more relevant in terms of investment with a 15% of the total investment. In terms of business line, 72% of the total CapEx was allocated to grid and 27% to generation. Regarding grid CapEx, this quarter grew by 16% and investment devoted to the network upgrades increased by 39% compared to the same period of last year. Let's now analyze grid operational highlights in Slide 6. Electricity distributed reached 26 terawatt hour in the second quarter, basically flat compared to the same period of the last year. This is explained by higher sales in Colombia and Argentina, offset by lower sales in Brazil. Regarding number of customers, we had an increase of 420,000 in the last 12 months, reaching 22.8 million customers. Smart meter increased by 71%, reaching 1.7 million in this period, mainly due to the deployment in Sao Paulo. Net RAB and net RAB per customer increased 12% and 10%, respectively, isolating the impact of the currency devaluation. This reflects the significant investment that we are doing in our network. In terms of quality indicator, we can see that SAIDI improved in all subsidiaries, except for Edesur, while SAIFI showed mixed results. Finally, regarding energy losses, we improved in Enel Ceara and remained flat in Colombia and Sao Paulo, but increasing in Enel Rio and Edesur. This is mainly a consequence of higher temperature registered in the period and higher injected energy. Let's continue with generation operational highlights in Slide 7. Installed capacity reached 12.9 gigawatts in this period. Compared to June 2024, capacity increased by 0.1 gigawatts due to higher renewable capacity in Brazil. Let me underline that 98% of our capacity is renewable. We're currently working on additional 0.5 gigawatts of capacity under construction. These are 2 solar projects located in Colombia, Guayepo III and Atlantico, which will be concluded between 2025 and 2026. Regarding energy balance, we can see that in this quarter, we increased our sales by 6%, reaching 17.6 terawatt hours. From this 10.6 terawatt hour coming from our own production and 7 terawatt hours coming from purchases to spot market and third parties. The increase in sales is explained mainly by Brazil and to a lower extent, Argentina and Colombia. Now Rafael will comment on the financial results of the period in the coming slides.
Rafael de la Haza Casarrubio
executiveThank you, Giuseppe. EBITDA in this quarter reached USD 1.06 million, an increase of 7% compared to the second quarter of 2024. If we exclude the negative impact coming from the currency depreciation in Brazil, Colombia and Argentina, we get to an adjusted EBITDA of USD 1.16 billion, which is 17% higher when compared to the second quarter 2024. This result is mainly explained by better results in generation in Colombia and Central America due to better hydro conditions as already explained by Giuseppe, and higher tariff indexation in distribution in Argentina and Brazil. In addition to this, in Argentina, we have the already mentioned an extraordinary impact of about USD 99 million coming from the agreement with CAMMESA as already mentioned here as well. Adjusted net income reached 0.19 billion in this quarter, which is 172% higher when compared to the second quarter of last year, and the increase is mainly explained by higher EBITDA and lower financial expenses. Funds from operations reached $0.59 billion, an improvement of around 42% compared to the same period of last year. This is mainly explained by lower financial expenses and lower taxes paid when compared to the previous period. On Slide #10, we will see this quarter's EBITDA evolution and breakdown. Starting from USD 995 million of EBITDA on the second quarter of 2024, we see that generation had an increase of $36 million, mainly explained by Colombia and Central America due to better hydro conditions. Greece improved by $129 million, including the $99 million from the agreement with CAMMESA already mentioned. In addition to this, we have better results in Argentina and Brazil due to tariff adjustments. Customers a slight decrease, while in others, we are considering around 10 million coming from the depreciations in Peru. With this, we get to an EBITDA of $1,164 million for the second quarter 2025, which represents 17% higher than the same period of 2024. FX had a negative impact of around USD 102 million, resulting in a reported EBITDA for this quarter of $1,061 million. From our reported EBITDA fell 47% came from Brazil, 35% from Colombia, 13% from Argentina and 4% from Central America. In terms of business line, grids represents 62% of our EBITDA, generation 35% and customers contribute with 2% of the total. Let's analyze cumulative EBITDA breakdown in Slide #11. For the first half of the year, we see that all our business lines had significant increases when compared to the previous year. Generation increased by USD 83 million, mainly due to better hydro conditions in Colombia and Central America, while grid grew by $124 million as a consequence of better results in Argentina and the agreement with CAMMESA. Again, in others, we are including our operations from Peru, which amounted to USD 16 million for this period. With this, we get to an EBITDA of USD 2,305 million, which is 11% higher than the same period of 2024. FX had a negative impact of $226 million, resulting in a reported EBITDA for the first half of the year of USD 2,077 million, in line with the same period of 2024. From our reported EBITDA, 49% came from Brazil, 38% from Colombia, 8% from Argentina and 5% from Central America. In terms of business line, grid represents 60% of our EBITDA, generation 37% and customers contribute with 2%. Now we will focus on the cash flow of our company in the following slide, which is Slide #12. Starting from an EBITDA of USD 2.08 billion, we see that the net working capital of the company for this period amounted to minus USD 0.55 billion, slightly higher than first half of 2024. Taxes paid during the period amounted to $0.2 billion, a lower amount compared with the last year, and this is mainly explained by lower taxable base in Colombia, while net financial expenses that you see in the center of this chart also improved, reaching USD 0.26 billion due to lower debt compared to the first half of 2024. With this, funds from operations amounted to $1.06 billion, which represents an amount significantly higher when compared to the same period of last year. After investments, USD 0.95 billion, we get to a positive free cash flow, and this is very important, I underline this item of around USD 120 million. Let's now analyze the debt of our company in the following slide, which is Slide #13. Gross debt amounted to USD 5.9 billion, an increase of 13% compared to December 2024, and this is mainly explained by FX impact and higher debt in Brazil. Net debt reached USD 4.2 billion, an increase of 97% compared to the end of 2024. This includes positive free cash flow of 0.1 billion, as explained in the previous chart -- in the previous slide, net dividends paid for USD 0.8 billion, extraordinary operations of $0.9 billion, mainly related to the tax payments in Peru. I remind you that we paid more than USD 600 million for the extraordinary for the capital gain that we obtained with the sales completed in Peru in 2024 and due to the payment of the second installment of the pension fund in Enel Sao Paulo. FX, as you see in the right part of this chart, FX had a negative impact of around USD 0.4 billion. In terms of currency and country, we see that EBITDA -- Brazil remains as the largest contributor, while the debt at the holding level represents 10% of the total. Finally, regarding the cost of the debt, we can see an increase for this period, moving from 10.3% to 11.1%, explained substantially by higher interest rates in Brazil. On the next slide, the final chart of the final slide of the presentation, Giuseppe will conclude with some closing remarks. Giuseppe?
Giuseppe Turchiarelli
executiveThank you, Rafael. We continue focusing our investment in Greece, aiming to improve our service quality for our customers. EBITDA improved mainly due to better results in distribution in Argentina and generation in Colombia. We continue improving our FFO, mainly due to lower financial expenses, and we keep a solid and flexible financial position, which allow us to execute our CapEx plan.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveThank you, Giuseppe and Rafael. Thank you for your attention. And now we will begin the Q&A session. First question coming from several analysts is regarding the concession renewal process in Brazil. If you can give us an update on how the situation is moving ahead.
Giuseppe Turchiarelli
executiveOkay. So for what concern Enel Rio, Enel has already issued a favorable technical report confirming compliance with legal, regulatory and operational requirements, as I said during the presentation. Enel Board meeting held on June 24, and one of the directors requested the delay on the vote for further analysis, but this simply introduced some uncertainty about the timing, but not -- but we don't have any kind of doubt in terms of the results. So we remain confident in a positive outcome subject to the Board's final votes and subsequent confirmation by the Minister of Mines and Energy. For what concern Enel Ceara, the renewal process has been assigned to a director, and this is currently under review by Enel technical team, which is also analyzing a quality improvement plan submitted as a part of the request. For Enel Sao Paulo, the process has not yet been assigned to a director.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveThank you, Giuseppe. The coming question regarding generation business in Brazil, do we expect negative impact coming from poor hydrology and curtailment that we have seen during the year?
Giuseppe Turchiarelli
executiveWell, regarding the generation outlook, the level of the reservoir in the Southeast region currently stands at 64%. So basically, it is in line with the level that we had in 2024. We have seen a slight reduction in hydrology in the last few months, but it is important to consider that the rainy season in Brazil beginning in November. So it's normal to have a reduction in the reservoir at this point. Regarding the curtailment, as of June 2025, Enel renewable operation in Brazil has been impacted by the curtailment volume of approximately 1.6 terawatt hour, basically due to the transmission line and availability that is clearly outside of our control. The estimated EBITDA impact for Enel America totals around $45 million year-to-date. We are, in any case, working closely with the system operator and the CCEE, the Chamber of Electric Energy Commercialization in order to address these bottlenecks and minimize the curtailment risk going forward. Additionally, we are working on potential recovery mechanism through existing regulation or legal alternatives where applicable. In this context, the recent publication of the guidance [ PN 115 ] by the Brazilian Energy Minister, which allows thermal power plant to voluntarily reduce inflexible dispatch during the surplus period is a positive signal. Once implemented, this measure could help relieve pressure on the transmission system, improving overall efficiency and potentially reducing short curtailment.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveThank you. Now moving to Argentina. We have received a couple of questions regarding the El Chocón bidding process.
Giuseppe Turchiarelli
executiveOkay. So let me remind you that El Chocón concession original term finished in August 2023, but has been extended since then and now the expiration date is August 11 of this year. The Ministry of Energy is preparing the terms and condition for a public tender as well as for other major hydro plants like Cerro, Colorado, Salicura and others. As of today, the official bid intent, including duration, remuneration scheme and operational obligation have not yet been published. Due to this, our current expectation is that the expiry date will be delayed until the terms and conditions for the public tender are published. We continue monitoring the situation and are prepared to assess our participation once the final condition are released.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveThank you. And also in Argentina, now that there's greater clarity on the rules of the game, could Edesur become a candidate for sale?
Giuseppe Turchiarelli
executiveEdesur continue to be a part of our company and is fully included in our 2025-2027 strategic plan, which in a certain way, anticipate a growing contribution from Argentina over the coming years. We are encouraged by the recent positive regulatory signs in the accounted related sector, including step toward regulatory modification. We are continuously evaluating all business segments as part of our portfolio management. But right now, Edesur is not currently under strategic review for this investment. We will continue monitoring the evolution of Argentina regulatory and economic landscape. But as of today, we remain committed to the operation and its role within the group.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveThank you. Going now to Peru. Can you give us an update on the process of securing natural gas supplies for Enel Piura?
Giuseppe Turchiarelli
executiveWell, regarding the latest development, let me remind you that Peruvian government has recently awarded Lots 1 and 6 both currently in the license agreement signing phase. In both cases, we have initiated discussion to the secure access to the gas either through precommercial agreements or former expression of interest. These lots are expected to become operational by October 2025, which could enhance gas availability and competition in the Northern market.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveThank you. Now another question from Andrea Segreti. When do you expect to define the group's future capital structure given the company's current balance sheet leverage?
Rafael de la Haza Casarrubio
executiveThank you very much, Andrea for your question. This is a very good question. Just to remind you, as I mentioned before, that following the divestment of our assets in Peru that we completed for both businesses, distribution and generation, Enel Américas entered 2025 with a strong financial position and low leverage and a relevant amount of cash that generate. This has provided the company to our group with the flexibility needed to navigate key developments such as the distribution concession renewals in Brazil, as Giuseppe explained before, and tariff adjustments across the several countries in the region in which we operate. The funds were used mainly to reduce expensive debt mainly in Brazil to capitalize our activities in Brazil to finance our CapEx needs for the following years to reinforce the networks and to avoid new debt, taking into account the current level of interest rate in the country. As these regulatory and operational uncertainty has progressively resolved, we will be in a better position to assess our outlook and potential decisions. Of course, this is something that we are periodically monitoring and evaluating. You saw in the previous slide when we commented the net debt, that also more or less doubling the net debt of the company from December 2024 to the first half of 2025, the company remains close to 1x net debt to EBITDA. So it's a very solid, a very flexible financial situation. We expect to have a better clarity on this front during the second half of the year. But for the moment, we think that is the right position. Thank you, Andrea.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveThank you. We'll move ahead with a question from Fernan Gonzalez about PIS/COFINS. If the 10-year thesis is approved by the Supreme Court on August 13, what would be the impact on your 3 distribution concessions in Brazil?
Rafael de la Haza Casarrubio
executiveOkay. This is a very good question, Fernan. Thank you very much. At this moment, at this stage, as you know, there are no material updates to report at this stage. The recovery process remains under administrative and judicial review at this moment. As you mentioned correctly, the case is scheduled to be discussed by the Federal Supreme Court on August 13. And regarding the cost of functionality of the law which mandates the full transfer of PIS/COFINS, tax credits related to ICMS, exclusion to end-users is still under discussion. So no news. Let's wait what is going to be decided in mid-August. But for the moment, this is the visibility that we have. The potential impact on our distribution companies for sure ruling, particularly on the interpretation of the establishment of limitations applicable to credit transfer. So we continue to monitoring the process closely, and let's see what is going to happen the next month.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveThank you. Rodrigo Mora about Peru, how much tax did you pay to the Peruvian government on the sale of the assets?
Rafael de la Haza Casarrubio
executiveThank you, Rodrigo. Good question. Previously, we commented, if I am correct, in Page 13 as well, the amount -- the total amount of taxes paid in 2025 due to the capital gain obtained in Peru with the sale of distribution and generation business. And the amount that we paid for this year was around USD 600 million. To be precise, it was USD 590 million taking into consideration the rate of the FX Peruvian soles into dollars. The payment corresponds to the 2024 income tax, I repeat, to the sale of our businesses and in addition to this, just to remind you, the total amount of the taxes paid, we paid as well in 2024, a portion of the total taxes due to the [indiscernible], making the total payment for this transaction for the whole transaction distribution and generation, a total payment of around USD 640 million.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveMoving to Colombia also from Rodrigo Mora. Could you provide us with an update on the government decree that seeks to force hydroelectric plants to sell all their energy to regulated customers and not leave any energy available for sale on the spot market?
Giuseppe Turchiarelli
executiveOkay. So first of all, this draft decree that has been issued by the Ministry of Mines and Energy in April 2025, the target is to limit the spot market sale by hydrogeneration to a maximum of 5% of their output. Clearly, the measure is part of a broader public policy aimed to reducing the spot market volatility, especially during the period in which we have a low hydrology and encouraging long-term contracting to enhance tariff stability. The proposal requires that at least 95% of the hydro generation has to be sold through contracts. Enel Colombia has submitted former comments on the draft supporting the goal of greater stability, but raising concern about the measure of effectiveness in addressing the root cause of volatility and warning also about the potential to limit investment and undermine market freedom. If you think about the direct impact for what concern our assets, Enel Colombia exposure is very limited as vast majority of our generation is already sold through long-term bilateral contracts.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveThank you. Regarding the guidance that we announced to the market, also from Rodrigo Mora and some other analysts are asking to know if you're going to update the results guidance for this year. At profit level, they see some difficulty to reach the figures that we presented in the plan.
Rafael de la Haza Casarrubio
executiveThank you, Rodrigo, and thank you, Javier Suarez, that is connected as well. And I think that has the same question. Well, as of today, we confirm the 2025 guidance communicated in yesterday plan of the company announced in November last year for the period 2027. So, well, we acknowledge that FX volatility and the macro environment has persisted in some of the core countries, core markets in which we are operating. No relevant extraordinary events for the moment that have a good warrant a revision of our outlook at this stage. So I repeat, at this stage, we are confirming the guidance in both in terms of EBITDA and in terms of net income. Our year-to-date performance remains aligned with internal expectations, and we are confident in our ability to meet the lower end of our full year targets. We continue, of course, to monitor macroeconomic and regulatory developments closely. But based on the information available today, no justification for adjusting our guidance.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveThank you, Rafa. Now moving to Argentina. Could you explain the positive one-off in the agreement between Edesur and CAMMESA? I'd like to understand whether the payment for the energy owned is through an additional charge to person A, meaning paid by consumers or whether it will impact person B, meaning the remuneration of the distribution company.
Rafael de la Haza Casarrubio
executiveYes. Yes. Thank you. Thank you very much. As mentioned during the presentation, on June 30, Edesur signed an agreement with the Energy Secretariat and CAMMESA to restructure its outstanding commercial debt. This agreement sets terms and conditions for outstanding debt with the previous agreement and improves the conditions of debts that are already under payment agreements. These agreements do not imply any additional tariff adjustment for consumers in the company. This is very important. No additional tariff adjustments for consumers. This is just an impact in our balance sheet due to the agreement reached. As a result, Enel Américas recognized a one-off positive impact that we have mentioned before of around $99 million at the EBITDA level and $59 million at the net income level in the second quarter of 2025 and also a reduction in terms of net debt of around USD 100 million. This agreement, along with the tariff review implemented on May 1, provides in Argentina greater clarity and visibility of Edesur financial outlook for the coming years.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveThank you. Now a question from Francisco Paz from Santander. First, excluding the asset disposals in Peru in 2024, -- what factors explain the net income performance?
Rafael de la Haza Casarrubio
executiveThank you, Francisco. Yes, as we saw in Page #9, we are seeing a 172% increase in terms of net income for the second quarter of this year when compared to the same perimeter for both years. This is mainly explained by a better performance in Argentina, mainly the distribution business, which reported positive figures in this second quarter of 2025 compared to a loss that we registered in the second quarter 2024 due to the accumulated debt with CAMMESA in this period. So this is the main difference, a one-off item that we, let me say, registered in the second quarter of 2024 that we do not see in this quarter in Argentina, and I repeat, other performance in this country, particularly in the distribution business.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveSecond question from Francisco. What actions take the company to be protected against FX impact in Brazil and Colombia?
Rafael de la Haza Casarrubio
executiveOkay. Thank you, Francisco. Again, no news here. We have a natural hedge as we issue debt in the same currency of the cash flow generated in every country in which Enel Americas operates. So this is a natural hedge, I repeat, and we are comfortable with this situation. But in the case of the dividends, we hedge the dividends of each country to avoid the FX risk. This is a real hedging. Every year, we hedge the potential FX impact of the dividends, let me say, forecasted in the strategic plan of the company for every year for [ SG&A ] and we hedge those dividends to avoid the mentioned FX risk. We operate in local currency in every country. So the impact in our results is only a conversion effect when we consolidate or when we translate the local currencies into dollars, which is the functional currency of Enel Américas here in Chile. So no news here.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveThank you, Rafa. And last question from Francisco. Could you give us an update on hydrology expectations for Colombia and Brazil for the rest of the year?
Giuseppe Turchiarelli
executiveYes. So for what concerns Brazil, as I said before, the reservoir level are currently at 64%, so in line with the last year. Rainy season, we said begins around November. So probably the situation should improve by the end of the year. For the moment, we don't see any relevant risk regarding hydrology in Brazil. For what concern Colombia, the reservoir level are above 80% and the drought that we suffered last year is no longer an issue. We expect to maintain with a good hydrology level for the rest of the year.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveThank you, Giuseppe. We received another question from Fernan Gonzalez about the agreement with CAMMESA. This $99 million impact is a one-off event? And is it all cash?
Rafael de la Haza Casarrubio
executiveThis is a one-off event. It's -- at this moment, it's not a cash item. But as I said before, this is going -- this will reduce the level of net debt that we have due to the simulated debt with CAMMESA in the past for around USD 100 million. So this is the effect. So no cash impact at this moment. This is something that we have in the future, but for this moment, it's one nonrecurring item, let me say, with the impact that we have already mentioned, USD 99 million in terms of EBITDA and the impact that we have already mentioned in terms of net income.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveQuestion from [ Juan Felipe Becerra ]. Could you provide more color on the $91 million loss in impairment losses from IFRS related to the worsening in expected credit loss -- what were the main drivers? And should we expect this level of impact to persist going forward?
Rafael de la Haza Casarrubio
executiveOkay. Well, thank you, Juan Felipe. This is mainly explained by our Brazilian operations, particularly in the distribution companies of Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo, and we managed approximately $66 million. We are continuously monitoring performance and actively driving initiatives to improve the collection efficiency within these entities. That's it.
Jorge Velis Espinosa
executiveThank you, Rafa. It seems like we don't have any additional questions. We have covered all the topics. If anything is pending, please send us an e-mail to Investor Relations e-mail. So as there are no more questions, I conclude the results conference call. Thank you for your attention.
Rafael de la Haza Casarrubio
executiveThank you very much...
Operator
operatorThank you. Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Everyone, have a great day.
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