Energizer Holdings, Inc. (ENR) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
February 23, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
William Chappell
analystGood morning. This is Bill Chappell. I'm the Senior Equity Analyst, covering consumer at Truist Securities, and I appreciate you joining us for our first Truist Consumer Symposium. I chose symposium versus conference. It's not a more highbrow, but it's good quality slate of companies. In this way, you'll get a lot out of these over the next few days. Our start is with Energizer Holdings, based in St. Louis, Missouri. Energizer is a leading player in batteries, personal lighting, in Auto Care category. Key brands includes Energizer, Rayovac, Armor All, Nu Finish and STP. The company finished fiscal 2020 with just about $2.7 billion in revenue and has a current market cap of about $3 billion. Today, we have Mark LaVigne, Chief Executive Officer; Tim Gorman, Chief Financial Officer; John Drabik, Chief Accounting Officer; and Jackie Burwitz, VP of Investor Relations.
William Chappell
analystSo Mark, let's just kick it off, and start [ the quick chat ]. Help us understand kind of the [ state ] of the North American battery market. And when I say that -- I think excluding COVID, since obviously, [indiscernible] about that. But just where we stand [ competitive ] landscape, why the industry has actually grown ex COVID for the past 5 years when [indiscernible] declined for the prior 10? And just kind of -- just thoughts around that and then I'll have some more questions as a follow-up.
Mark LaVigne
executiveBill, thanks, and thanks for having us here today. Look, I'll be happy to kind of walk through. I think it's important to really walk through because the battery category demand has gone through significant fluctuations since the early 2000, but the one consistent thing that's really been driving that is around devices. We frequently talked about devices, demographics and disasters driving the demand for the category, but even demographics and disasters funnel that demand through devices. And if you go back to the early 2000, you had digital cameras, you had portable music players, they were pervasive with consumers. And those high-drain devices used a significant amount of batteries. Then you had the iPhone, which was introduced around 2007. But as smartphones became more pervasive, you started to see a consolidation of those high-drain devices into the smartphone. And as a result, the number of battery-powered devices declined and they -- the use for batteries. That consolidation stabilized around 2016 with -- when the smartphone reached saturation levels. And that really created a new baseline and -- as consumers sort of settled into that new [indiscernible]. In recent years, we've seen technology continue to advance. Consumers have acquired new devices, which require batteries, and that was the number of electronics people have that have remote control, the adoption of connected smart devices. If you look at 2015, the number of total battery-powered devices has increased roughly 14%. Smart devices have increased 28% and about 40% of those devices require primary batteries. There's been an influx of devices that are driving some of the demand for batteries. We've seen doorbell cameras, smart lights, nested cameras, blood pressure monitors, those are some examples of devices that have become more prevalent with today's consumers than in the past. We expect that growth in smart devices to continue. We expect roughly the same proportion of devices that take primary batteries to be roughly [indiscernible]. And so as the device universe is constantly changing, the growth of the new devices that take our product is more than offsetting any decline as you've seen consumers consolidate with the smartphone. If you want to, Bill, we can sort of fast forward into like the pandemic and what was then driving some of that or if you want to pause there for a second and take it in a different direction.
William Chappell
analystBefore we get to the pandemic, [indiscernible] the other aspect of growth in the past few years has been competition. [indiscernible] decade plus, where buy one get one free, bonus packs, [indiscernible] sizes. And so saw volumes [indiscernible] -- as you talked about, volumes picked up, it seems like that the industry's gotten pricing [indiscernible] years and [ you ] only got price cuts for the prior decade. What changed?
Mark LaVigne
executiveWell, what I think you saw from us as well as our competitor is an emphasis on investing in brand building, investing in innovation. What you don't want to do is bonus pack promotional -- extensive promotional activity, just degrades the category value. And I think as category fundamentals have taken over, this is a relatively inelastic category. And so as a result, you don't need to give batteries away, you don't need to go on heavy promotions, you just invest in innovation lines of product, communicating the benefit of that and the demand will be there. So I think what you've seen is a newfound discipline in the category to invest in the items that expand category growth and don't [ subtract ] from it. And that's certainly the way we run the business, and that's certainly what we've seen our main competitors do as well.
William Chappell
analystGot it. So -- and that largely goes to not coincidentally when Duracell was sold from P&G to Berkshire that dynamic changed pretty quickly.
Mark LaVigne
executiveWe have seen a different competitive dynamic since that transaction took place. [indiscernible] it's maybe because they were just focused on different things. But we like the way [indiscernible] and when we think it's healthy for the category.
William Chappell
analystSo just kind of understanding on your device comment, why -- if everything -- everybody wants to go with an iPhone and rechargeable [ class ] batteries why -- if I have a $30, $40 product, why don't I just want to put a lithium high-end rechargeable inside of it instead of doing [indiscernible]?
Mark LaVigne
executiveIt's a question device manufacturers ask themselves every time they're bringing a new device into the market. I think a lot of it will come down to cost, cost of putting that rechargeable battery. Is it -- is the space suitable in the device to be able to do that? But then how is the consumer going to use it? I mean there are consumer preferences around whether they want to take the time to recharge or whether they just want to pop in new batteries. And so it's both cost, but then it's also the consumer experience and whether a rechargeable battery is suitable for that or whether a primary battery works better.
William Chappell
analystAnd speaking on just more pre-COVID, help me understand AmazonBasics and private label, in general. I mean, again, the thought is batteries are [indiscernible], they're disposable. And I can go on to Amazon and get a [ 80 ] pack for $5. But at the same point, private label hasn't changed in terms of penetration over the past decade. Why is that? I mean why wouldn't it make more sense? [Technical Difficulty] So welcome back. Sorry for the interruption. It was an overall technical issue, not the fact that -- as I explained that my WiFi does actually reach to my basement office. But -- so let's just jump back in. I'm not sure where everybody got cut off. But what I was asking, Mark, was talk about private label and AmazonBasics. And why -- if I can go to Amazon and get a 80 pack for $5, why doesn't private label continue to grow? And why doesn't that take more market share, but not just from you, but also from your competitors in the whole category? It never seems to have changed.
Mark LaVigne
executiveI think that's right, Bill. I mean it has been a part of the category for a long time. So I would say both we and our largest competitors are adept at dealing with private label. I think one of the reasons it hasn't continued to take market share is that both we and Duracell have continued to innovate our products and we've continued to advertise. And so as a result, consumers are migrating and continue to migrate to brands in the category. Brands continue to matter to consumers when they're engaging with the battery category, and we expect that to continue. What you saw during the pandemic was consumers gravitated to trusted brands over that period of time. I think the question will be, as the pandemic subsides, economic issues maybe take hold, depending upon the level of stimulus, do consumers revert back? And I would say that's where we're uniquely positioned as a company to be able to mitigate any of that impact because we have value brands in our portfolio with Rayovac and Eveready. So we can leverage those. To the extent that there's a desire for consumers or retailers to lean in on the value side of the category, we can fill that need with value brands if there's -- our preference, obviously, is to emphasize Energizer with our flagship brand, but we have the ability to meet that need if it heads that way. But -- and it's continued in the category to ebb and flow a couple of share points here or there.
William Chappell
analystTalk about [indiscernible] the category has improved -- the health of the category with pricing and volume, but you've also gained share. And talk about -- we can go to online in a second. But I'm interested, it seems like a lot of [indiscernible] be it getting in more of the club channel, getting into the DIY channel. Like if it's not on price, why is Energizer winning? What's giving you this incremental share?
Mark LaVigne
executiveI would say it's going in with the right story. And so it was 1.5 years, 2 years ago when Duracell introduced their new innovation. And at that time, you saw market share losses for us for a period of time. And what we said is we wanted to continue to respond in the right way, which is respond with innovation, respond with the right category story to help retailers grow their overall category. We went in with that story. We've been able to get some of that space back, which has resulted in the share gains that you've seen. So it is about communicating our message to consumers. It's about having the story that's going to drive the battery category for the retailer. And then if we grow the category, and then obviously, our brands are going to be there to benefit from that. And it's just about taking that holistic story and basic fundamentals of innovate, communicate and build brands. And it's been a successful approach for us over the last couple of years, and you're seeing in share gains.
William Chappell
analystAnd how important is having a lithium and having a Rayovac, Eveready into that message?
Mark LaVigne
executiveIt just -- it allows us to fill any need that a retailer or a consumer may want. You can start with an opening price point and go all the way up to the best product out there in lithium. And you can -- you have that full complement of products to offer, and then you have an assortment of brands that you can mix and match the brands with the product to be able to fill the need that a retailer may be looking for.
William Chappell
analystAnd going back, you don't seem -- or the company doesn't seem to be particularly worried about AmazonBasics in particular or just cheap batteries overall. Is that just -- even before the pandemic.
Mark LaVigne
executiveI mean -- and you'll recall, Bill, a couple of years ago, there was a bit of a frenzy around Amazon, particularly AmazonBasics, and it was going to take over the category. We had invested a long time ago with our digital commerce team to make sure that we were going to be able to win on Amazon as well as on other omnichannel platforms, and that investment has paid off. I think at the time, it was just -- if Amazon chooses to invest in a category, then they're going to ultimately take over and dominate it. But what we're seeing is -- play out online is what you see in brick-and-mortar, which [ your ] brands matter. And if you invest in communicating those brands online, you're going to end up getting your fair share. From a share standpoint, private label is a little bit higher than what you would see in some brick-and-mortar retailers, but not disproportionately so. And we think over time, you're going to settle in where brands continue to have the majority of the sales online, just like they do today.
William Chappell
analystAnd can you talk a little bit more about -- I mean -- I know Energizer started early and probably earlier than competitors with Amazon and with e-commerce. And you continue to grow faster than your branded competitors or online, like -- but I don't necessarily walk in store and see the difference. And you're not -- it's not necessarily -- so what do you do? Or what was so important about being in early and how that continues the momentum?
Mark LaVigne
executiveIt's a fairly -- just a fundamental approach. We focused the team on it. We made sure that it was important to the organization and that they had the support that they needed. We made it a priority to invest time and effort into digital. We put a dedicated team against it. We incubated the team to make sure that they could function autonomously. And they weren't impeded by some of the longer processes, maybe that brick-and-mortar. I mean it's a very different dynamic. You have to be able to move at a speed that's much faster. So we just -- and basically, we just started pursuing quick, meaningful wins online. We didn't wait and try to come up with a holistic plan across all portfolios. We basically just dove in and started testing and learning. And we were willing to fail. And I think what we did is we learned a lot in those early stages. We took chances and have paid off. I think having the dedicated resources, the dedicated headcount to digital commerce is critical. You've got to invest with the right outside partners who are going to give you the insights, the infrastructure, the tools and the data you need to be able to do it. And then it's just basic blocking and tackling in terms of getting the content right, making sure that you're going to own search at the right time, making sure you get the right product online the consumers are going to be seeking. And it's that balanced appetite for rapid growth with the right commercial decisions so that you're creating the right value creation. But at the end of the day, it was about putting the right team in place, empowering them to get after it and to fail fast, learn from it, move on. And as a result, we've had a lot of success. In batteries, we've continued to be the branded share leader for a long time over the last couple of years. What we're asked -- what we've tasked the team now is expand categories, do the same thing in lighting, do the same thing in Auto Care and now also expand it to international markets as well. And so really start to get that breadth and expand it, and we look forward to that growth for years to come as well.
William Chappell
analystAnd actually, on that, talk a little bit about the international market. I mean we, as investors, focus so much on U.S., and that's where your business is, that's where we consume, and that's understandable. But I know there was a longstanding belief that -- especially developing markets that you had the zinc carbon to alkaline would drive markets faster. There was opportunities as Duracell was sold that they kind of exited some markets with the distributors. And so -- but with volatile currency, it's kind of tough to see how good or bad you're doing. So maybe you can -- and there's not the same DIY channel. Online is a little bit tougher for us to see international. So maybe help us understand how big is this market. Is it -- how does it do compared to the U.S. or North American market and kind of initiatives there?
Mark LaVigne
executiveThe international markets, we have broken down into 3 different areas. We've got the modern markets, which are largely similar to the U.S. And so a lot of our commentary with the U.K., Australia and New Zealand would sound very familiar. Then you have developing markets: Malaysia, Philippines. In the fractal data that you'll see out there, a lot of times, that data is going to be largely influenced by China and India, and those are 2 markets where we don't have meaningful businesses today. So I think some of that data -- but you are seeing those developing markets convert from carbon zinc batteries into alkaline, and that does create some growth in the underlying market dynamics. You're also seeing demographic shifts where those consumers will buy more devices. So there's increased demand. So you get the benefit of increased usage, increased device ownership as well as then the conversion from carbon zinc into alkaline. Over a 5-year recent time period, we probably saw developing markets grow at roughly 2% over that time period. But they -- like you said, they also tend to have some volatility. I think that the pandemic hit some of those markets much harder and you saw some more severe lockdowns. But the international business for us, and I'm back to sort of the all 3-market groupings, it's just a unique strategic advantage for us, I believe, because we have an international platform that is unique for a company our size. I think we have a -- the international business won't tend to move dramatically from a business standpoint because you don't have a market of scale, you don't have a retailer of scale similar to what you have in the U.S. So I think what you're just going to see is slow and steady growth out of the international markets. But it's a great infrastructure to have. And I think what you're going to see is some of the rapid growth you're going to see in Auto Care this year is largely driven by using that international platform to grow that business.
William Chappell
analystGot it. And then last kind of on the battery, talk about this past year. I mean, obviously, you've gone from 2% growth to 20% growth, at least in consumer takeaway, virtual school, work from home. So how do you view as we get -- let's go for herd immunity and inoculations, how do you plan for that? It's more -- not -- I'm not asking where does growth drop down? It's more like how do you plan from a production, from a marketing, from other standpoint for at least some pullback?
Mark LaVigne
executiveI mean -- so fast forward today, we talked at the beginning of the session, Bill, like kind of what were the device trends that were leading to some of the recent growth, which was a differentiator from what you saw for about a 10-year period up to 2015. But then you fast forward into the pandemic and the device growth accelerated as well as device usage. And as we all have talked about, the way we changed our lives in connection with the pandemic, it wasn't just where you live anymore. It was where you work, it was where your kids go to school, where you entertain. And some of those activities are going to continue, but not all. But I do think the way people use their homes is going to continue to some extent. If you think about consumers during the pandemic, those with health concerns, they bought more health care devices and those -- more than 50% of those take primary batteries. You've had people with kids at home where they would have needed more home office equipment or school equipment, more than 50% of those take primary batteries. And then you've got the gamer generation, where gaming just continues to expand as well as the use of those batteries. So you had consumers at home using more devices, using them more often. How do we get ready for what's on the other side of this? I mean you and I talked offline, what does January of '22 look like? I mean that's the big question that we need to be able to answer, and it's the biggest question as a company we need to be able to answer. And right now, what we're doing is we have our hands full in meeting the demand of today. So we're focused on continuing to meet the elevated demand today. But what we're doing is watching pockets around the world to say where are the vaccines gotten to a critical point, where has consumer behavior gotten to a point where it's more open, where we think they're representative of what consumers will do in the future. And then what's happening in those pockets to battery demand. And let's isolate on those micro data points, and then that way, inform how we're thinking about things in the future as more and more of the world gets to that point. So it's -- and this is all about -- you hear a lot of companies talk about data and analytics, about making sure that they have the right insights. That's what these types of exercises are really important. We've got to make sure we are ready for where the consumers are going. I think our personal belief as a company is you are not going to have the elevated demand that you have today permanently. But because of the habits and the way that the home is viewed differently today than it what has in the past, you're going to settle somewhere in between. Now there's a lot of room between where we were and where we have grown now. And the critical question we need to be able to answer from an investment standpoint, but also from just a supply chain standpoint is what [indiscernible] demand we need to be ready for, utilizing that every day.
William Chappell
analystAnd the demand has been pretty steady for the past 9 months. It doesn't seem like there's massive or high inventory at pantry. It's not you're expecting like inoculations stop, and then all of a sudden, people stop buying batteries for 6 months because they've got a full pantry.
Mark LaVigne
executiveNo. And that's also something we're watching. We do consumer research on a fairly regular basis, and one thing that has been consistent for the last 10 months has been the percentage of consumers that are saying that they're buying batteries for immediate usage. And the last time we did that research, roughly 75% of consumers said that their recent battery purchases were for immediate usage. So that tells you they're not stockpiling batteries.
William Chappell
analystGot it. And then switching actually to Auto Care. The question I always get and I'm sure you get is, why does this make sense? Why -- just take a step back because I think you and Alan talked about this, years ago, like, hey, this would make sense as a category to pair with battery and lighting. Why? I mean it's not intuitive. So maybe help -- take a step back why this was important for the next leg -- or made sense as the next leg of the stool? Why now that it is the next leg of the stool does it make sense going forward? And what -- from a battery standpoint and the battery infrastructure can you do with the Auto Care to help it out, make it a better business?
Mark LaVigne
executiveOne of the things -- and again, similar to the -- answering the battery category, I'll almost take a step further back than that. I think one of the things that we have the benefit of being in the battery category is the ubiquitous distribution. So we really get to see categories across multiple retailers, multiple channels in a really pervasive way. When we were came off the spin with Edgewell, Energizer was not investing in innovation and brand building to the level that it needed to. So priority one was make sure that we restore leadership in the battery category. It's an attractive category, as we've talked about. We demonstrated that with internal investments. We cut costs, reinvested in products, reinvested in brand-building activities. We've also invested in the Rayovac deal, which gave us nice scale in Latin America. So we've really solidified and built out the battery platform through internal investments and M&A. So we're clear #1 in the battery category. But when you then flip to Auto Care, and you asked why the Auto Care acquisition? We analyzed a number of categories after spin to determine where we felt we could create the most value and Auto Care was one of them that checked a lot of boxes. It had healthy overall growth rates. Between 2016, 2020, you saw roughly a 3.5% growth rate, largely driven by Appearance Chemicals. Brands matter in the category. So we always make sure that -- what are the role that brands play in a given category? And certainly, in Auto Care, they deal with very low percentage of that category with private label. Innovation matters. In fact it matters at a higher rate than it does in batteries and because as much as 25% of the shelf set will change over year-over-year. But then we also saw a category in some businesses that were in need of category management expertise, which we do exceptionally well on the battery side and felt we could apply that expertise to Auto Care. It was a fragmented competitive set, which created opportunities in the marketplace to consolidate also future acquisition opportunities. We also saw a category that was under-penetrated and under-managed in international markets. So we spoke to the international platform that we have and our ability to drive growth through that. All of those things kind of came together. We saw it as an attractive opportunity from a category standpoint. And then some of the companies that we were able to purchase became available. And so it was really the -- those things coming together that made us make the jump into Auto Care. I'm not seeing Bill. I wonder if we lost Bill. [Technical Difficulty]
Jacqueline Burwitz
executiveNatalie, are you there?
Mark LaVigne
executiveThere he is.
William Chappell
analystSorry about that. Can you hear me again?
Mark LaVigne
executiveYes.
William Chappell
analystMaybe my Internet doesn't work all the way to my basement office. Well, I'm sure it was a very eloquent finish [ that you have said ]. We can deal with that. And just sticking on that or maybe a little bit different, like as you look forward on Auto Care, are there other holes to fill? Do you feel like you have the portfolio you need, the brand -- and would that matter? Are there -- is there a white space you can take these brands to tangential categories?
Mark LaVigne
executiveWe have a lot of the right brands. I mean so we have a healthy portfolio of brands. I don't know that there is a need to fill a void. I think we'll always look at potential acquisitions as an opportunity to create value. But I don't know that -- I think we have a nice, robust portfolio of brands. We feel much better about the innovation pipeline that we've been able to build out since we acquired the business. So again, we'll continue to take a look. The Auto Care category, I mean, just has so many subsegments in it. So there's a lot of opportunities to expand where you may play. I think we feel great about the position we're in now. And we can be more selective about where we're going to take the next step and really make sure that it's going to create the value that we expect because from a portfolio of brands and innovation, we feel good about where we are now.
William Chappell
analystI mean, looking on the back end with the Dayton plant, I mean, I know that was an initial focus of getting that back up and running and -- or getting it as efficient as it needed to be. Where are we now? Or maybe you can start by what were the problems to start with? And then where are we in terms of kind of efficiency?
Mark LaVigne
executiveWe're well past the problems. I mean so that was priority #1 when we bought the business, and we dropped the team in there and helped them work through it. It was just the way they were organized. Some of the stuff they brought in-house from a distribution and logistics standpoint, we've subsequently moved on and leveraged a third-party for that. We've been able to help them with their layout, with the way they're running their lines, staffing. It was just the ability to get in there and help them manage their facilities like we do our battery plants. And that facility has run very well since we acquired it. It actually has run very well throughout the pandemic and with not as nearly as much disruption as you've seen with some other companies. So it has done -- Dayton is operating very well. I think the key for us and we've mentioned it before is, one of the key things that we can capitalize on this new -- with this new consumer trend is on wipes. And so we're looking forward to adding another wipes line in the Dayton facility in the spring and get that up and running, which will help us capture even more of the demand that we've been able to in the past because we were capacity constrained in that area with the existing operations. But very pleased with where that facility is now.
William Chappell
analystWell, and same question for batteries, though a little bit different. I mean, how do you plan for this upcoming season? I mean in terms of it's a seasonal business. It didn't hit on all cylinders because it was kind of full lockdown for part of the season, and people weren't going anywhere in their cars. So they were spending a lot of time in their cars and starting to clean them out. I mean, how do you view -- do you look at vaccination rates and say, hey, we're going to be half open, 3/4 open? I mean it just -- I understand on batteries, like I think everybody is looking at Israel and saying, okay, what do consumer habits look like because they're furthest along, but it seems like a little bit tougher to do for Auto Care.
Mark LaVigne
executiveIt will be a challenge for us to predict with great specificity how it's going to play out. I think we've made appropriate investments to make sure that the new product development gets on shelf, that we advertise behind it, we drive demand. What's going to become critical is understanding where demand is and being able to react to it more quickly than maybe you otherwise would. I think one of the things and one of the lessons coming out of the pandemic for companies is the need to shorten that demand planning and supply planning process down as much as you can because that's just going to allow you to react to opportunities or mitigate issues much better than you have in the past. So I think what our teams are trying to do is get those sensors out there as far out as you can reasonably predict and really start to plan around what you're seeing. That's a new discipline for companies because, I mean, if I just use batteries as an example, other than hurricanes, it was a fairly predictable demand model where you could predict how demand -- even with natural disasters in recent years, that's become less easy to predict in terms of how big the spike and how long the spike is going to be. Same thing in Auto Care. We've got to be able to read and react in a much faster level, and we're building teams and processes and technology to allow us to be able to do that. So -- for instance, Bill. What we want to be able to do is see where the demand is going and then seamlessly carry that information through from a production planning standpoint and then a raw material procurement standpoint and just let all the teams be able to read and react at the same time and not have as an elongated process as what we've had in the past. That's the best way to plan for that unpredictability is to acknowledge it's there and shorten the time period that you'll give yourself to react to it.
William Chappell
analystGot it. And Tim, just a couple -- kind of as I look at gross margins. How much variability -- I mean, the thought would be your -- especially battery. The plants are running at 110% utilization. So as they go back to 90% or 80%, I mean, how much of an impact does it have on the business? Is it -- is there high labor? Does it -- or is there not much variability as I would expect for other ones? And then maybe also talk about just your commodity outlook, kind of key inputs and what's your hedging and what you see there.
Timothy Gorman
executiveYes, Bill. So if you look at our cost structure on -- particularly on battery and globally, we're 80% variable, 20% fixed. So when we have had the elevated demand, we have been running flat out. I think the one thing that we've had because of the elevated demand and how sustained it has been, we incurred some incremental costs to support that demand level. As we move forward, those costs are now kind of behind us as we go forward. To your point, the other thing that we are seeing is on the cost side, we're seeing some headwinds from a commodity standpoint as well as from a logistics standpoint. I think that's consistent with what you're probably seeing with other companies. We hedge our commodity exposure. So as we look to the balance of this year, we're 80% hedged on our commodities. Commodities for us in terms of direct commodity procurement is roughly 20% of COGS, and then if you layer in third-party finished goods acquired, takes that to about 30%. There's not one significant commodity that's driving our exposure. So we manage over that basket of commodities through either financial hedges like we do with zinc or forward contractual arrangements with our third-party suppliers. So 80% on '21. And then we continue with a 12- to 18-month rolling hedge, and so we're 20% hedged on '22. On the transportation side, you're seeing a little bit of increased exposure, particularly on ocean freight, as you see some of the increased demand is causing some pressures, both from a container standpoint and a port standpoint in terms of delays. So we're managing through that. All of that's reflected in the outlook that we gave for this year. I think some of those costs are going to be transitory as we move through this period. And as you move into '22, you should start to see some of those costs received as we move forward.
William Chappell
analystGot it. No, that's helpful. Mark, last -- a couple of questions for you. I mean as you look longer term, does the company need a third leg to the stool? Does it need a fourth leg? Does it -- or do you feel like there's more enough opportunity for auto and battery lighting to be who Energizer wants to be for the next 5 years?
Mark LaVigne
executiveI think that's an interesting time period. I would say for the next 12 to 18 months, our focus is going to be on battery and auto. And you will not see us introduce a third leg over that time period because we've got ample opportunity just with those 2 categories. And frankly, we understand we need to continue to show the promise of those acquisitions that we've made already. Longer term, I would hate to say, we don't need a third leg, but I think we will continue to look if there are areas where we think we can create value, deploy capital where we think we would have some outsized returns. It's something we would explore. But right now, we've got enough opportunities on the plate with battery and auto. I think executing those with excellence will deliver the value our shareholders expect. And then beyond that, you can always replicate that in a third category, but I'd like to prove the premise with Auto Care first.
William Chappell
analystGot it. And then last question, just 3 years from now, as you look back, would you say you think the pandemic strengthened your business, weakened your business or had no impact on the long-term kind of opportunity?
Mark LaVigne
executiveOh, I think, without a doubt, you don't have a choice but to ensure that it strengthens your business, but I think without a doubt that it has. You cannot go through an experience like we've been through and not be fundamentally altered because of it. If you had any soft spots in your organization, they showed up over the last 12 months. And you cannot wait until the storm passes in order to fix them. You've got to fix them on the fly. I think we have been very proactive about doing that. Any weakness or any vulnerability that we felt like showed up, we were very aggressive about changing it. And then it gets down to, Bill, I think what we said. I mean, right now, it's almost become a buzzword for companies to talk about agility and how fast they need to move. And I think it's become that way because it's so true, and it's -- but you can't just say it. I mean it's -- saying it isn't going to make it happen. And you've got to really enable your organization, and that starts with what we've talked about earlier, getting those insights, getting those facts as quickly as you can to enable quicker business decisions. And that is going to become more and more critical for companies going forward because in this digital world, consumers are always on, digital commerce is always open and the shelf's always got more room. And so opportunity and disruption can occur at much faster pace than it's ever been able to in the past, and you've got to be able to address that and move on it very, very quickly. And so that's -- to me, I think this past 12 months has shown the need for that. And I think you're going to see companies really dig in. And the ones that are going to come out of it stronger are going to be the ones that learn to move faster and really lean into this digital transformation that's occurring.
William Chappell
analystThat's fantastic. Well, I'm sorry we don't have more time. I have a lot more questions, but I had a few technical difficulties. So sorry for the blemishes on the first symposium. But I really appreciate everyone's time and the conversation, and I look forward to hearing more soon.
Mark LaVigne
executiveGreat. Thank you, Bill.
Timothy Gorman
executiveThanks, Bill.
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