Equinox Gold Corp. (EQX) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the Equinox Gold and Calibre Mining Conference Call to discuss their combination to create a major Americas-focused gold producer. [Operator Instructions] The conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the conference over to Rhylin Bailie, Vice President, Investor Relations for Equinox Gold. Please go ahead.

Thank you, operator, and thank you, everybody, for joining us this morning. We will, of course, be making a number of forward-looking statements. So please do visit the Equinox Gold website and our continuous disclosure documents on SEDAR and EDGAR and the Calibre Mining website and their continuous disclosure documents on SEDAR. It's now my pleasure to turn the call over to our Chairman, Ross Beaty.

Thank you, Rhylin, and good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the call today to discuss the combination of Equinox Gold and Calibre Mining. I'm going to start out and then turn the floor over to Blayne Johnson, the Chair of Calibre and then we'll have Greg Smith and Darren Hall, CEOs, respectively, of Equinox Gold and Calibre Mining, present some of the compelling logic behind this deal. From my side, let me tell you why I like this deal and why you should too. It's a rare opportunity to combine 2 great new Canadian gold deposits at the start of their productive lives into a single owner that will become one of Canada's largest gold producers. It will build financial strength, mitigate risk through better diversification and generate amazing cash flow over the near future and for many years to come. It will build scale, which is essential in today's capital markets, enhancing our exposure to passive investors like the big ETFs and generalist investors who are increasingly looking to invest in the gold market today and seek the liquid and large companies like the new Equinox Gold. It will combine 2 excellent management teams into one, reducing overhead costs and consolidating corporate infrastructure. It's a 0 premium deal based on fair merger of equals valuations of both companies. Equinox Gold is a very young company, but we've had a single mission since our inception in 2018 to get big quickly in order to deliver the best possible equity leverage to the gold price. I've been pounding the table since we began that gold had great legs and would likely increase in value profoundly. We began when gold was $1,350 an ounce. We were right about the trajectory for gold, and today, it's trading at record highs. But I see no reason it will decline. On the contrary, all the bullish reasons to support gold's price today remain intact. And in this bullish gold price environment, how can we deliver superior value to equity investors? By increasing our gold production as much as possible and by increasing our reserves and resources as much as possible. The first builds leverage on our income statement, and we will have astonishing cash flow and deleveraging potential from the combined assets. And the second builds leverage on our capital assets, our long-term gold reserves and resources that will keep Equinox Gold as a premier global gold producer for decades to come. This combination with Calibre will move Equinox Gold from a mid-tier producer to a major producer. It should improve our valuation metrics and our ability to withstand shocks in the market. Size matters. I'm convinced that this deal will make Equinox Gold into one of the world's largest and best levered gold producers with a wonderful suite of growth projects and great management team poised to deliver phenomenal value over the long term. And with those introductory comments, I'm going to turn the call over to Blayne Johnson, Chair of Calibre, and then Greg Smith and Darren Hall will go over some of the deal details. Blayne, over to you.

Thank you, Ross. Exciting day. Thanks, everybody, for joining us. We see this -- the merger of these 2 companies marks the creation of a major gold producer. Built on a solid foundation of 2 high-quality, long-life mines in Canada, Greenstone and Valentine, our approach to this merger mirrors our successful business combination of Newmarket Gold in Kirkland Lake. In that case, by combining 2 high-grade underground assets in Tier 1 jurisdictions and leveraging the high-grade Swan Zone discovery, we were able to scale up, strengthen our team and deliver outstanding value, ultimately leading to Kirkland Lake becoming the top-performing gold stock on the TSX in the 18 months following the merger. With Darren Hall to helm once again, we are confident, as with Newmarket, the combination of Calibre and Equinox will follow a similar trajectory. By joining forces, we will become the second largest gold producer in Canada with expanded scale and exciting exploration pipeline that includes 200,000 meters of drilling this year in Newfoundland and Nicaraguan and a robust portfolio of growth assets, including Castle Mountain, California. The potential growth and value creation for this company is immense. It is important for shareholders to think about this company 6 to 18 months from now when both Canadian assets will be running at nameplate capacity, realizing the re-rating from both Greenstone and Valentine. We are absolutely thrilled to be partnering with Ross and his top-notch team as we work together to unlock exceptional value for shareholders. We look forward to this exciting chapter. Over to CEO, Greg Smith.

Thanks, Blayne. I think Ross and Blayne said it pretty well. And just to reiterate a few points, the highlight here is we're putting 2 major Canadian gold mines into one company, beginning of their life, and that's going to provide a very substantial foundation for this company for the long term. And M&A is for the long term. But we also have an immediate benefit on day 1 in the combined company and that we've got very substantial production and cash flow today that takes advantage of these very high gold prices. And when you look at the relative valuation of the peer group, where we are today, we're undervalued compared to that new peer group. And there's real potential here for share price re-rate as we execute on both Greenstone and Valentine. And then looking at our balance sheet, it's very solid. The current production cash flow at these gold prices is giving us substantial flexibility to delever quickly while continuing to grow our business. Just look at the slide, everyone. So what are we creating here? The merged company will have a portfolio of mines in Canada, the United States, Mexico, Nicaragua and Brazil with the Greenstone mine in Ontario and the Valentine mine in Newfoundland as cornerstone Canadian assets. We'll have a combined production profile of 950,000 ounces in '25, that excludes any production from Valentine or from Los Filos and that we have a past over 1.2 million ounces per year once both Greenstone and Valentine are ramped up to capacity. And of course, there's further growth from multiple expansion and development opportunities in the portfolio. This production is underpinned by a substantial gold reserve of 24 million ounces and an additional 22 million ounces of M&I resources. Our Greenstone mine poured first gold last May and achieved commercial production in November. Greenstone is expected to continue to ramp up to full capacity and will produce between 300,000 and 350,000 ounces this year. The Valentine mine will be our second Canadian gold mine of scale. I'm going to turn this over to Darren to speak more on Valentine in just a second and also on the other assets. But I will just say, I was in Valentine a couple of weeks ago, and the project is looking absolutely fantastic. Darren, over to you.

Yes. Thanks, Greg. As we communicated last Thursday on Calibre's earnings call, the team continues to make great progress at Valentine with notable recent progress, including the primary crusher is ahead of schedule and ready for commissioning. Mill motors are being set and will be substantially complete by month end. Cable installation is set for completion in March. Reclaimed tunnel steel and [indiscernible] are progressing and on track for commissioning in April. In the ADR plant, gravity circuit are nearing mechanical completion and ready for turnover. We've additionally made a substantial progress on technical studies to increase Valentine's throughput in a Phase 2 expansion. While the feasibility study envisaged an increase in throughput from 2.5 million tonnes to 4 million tonnes per year starting in 2029, we are actively advancing plans to accelerate the time line for scaling up production to in excess of 5 million tonnes per year. I was at Greenstone in January, and it's clearly a quality build, a long-life asset and a great location. What's not to like? The focus is realizing the full potential of the asset as the team worked through the typical ramp-up issues associated with the mine of size. As we progress through 2025, it will be great to see how these 2 Canadian assets producing in excess of 550,000 ounces a year on an annualized basis and establishing new Equinox as Canada's second largest gold producer. While it's great to have these 2 significant assets, let's not overlook the other 500,000-plus ounces of production from the U.S., Nicaragua and Brazil, which continue to reliably fund the business, all with significant organic growth opportunities. On that note, I visited the Brazilian operations in December with Anstruther Bradley, who leads the team and was impressed by the quality of the team and the commitment to the assets. I'm certain that a fresh set of eyes will be able to identify optimization opportunities with the team. In addition to the value that we'll be able to surface from the operating assets with the strength and focus of the combined team, we have great organic growth opportunities across the business, not limited to Castle Mountain in the U.S., Phase 2 at Valentine, the CIL plant at Los Filos and 1 million tonnes of surplus capacity in Nicaragua. Definitely exciting times, and I look forward to working with combined team on surfacing value across the consolidated portfolio of assets. Back to you, Greg.

Thanks, Darren. Next slide. This -- I love this slide because it really hammers home just the financial capacity, cash flow capacity of this combined company. The transaction delivers an immediate and substantial in both production and cash flow, and you can really see it here. Equinox produced 622,000 ounces in 2024. This is all based on consensus analyst estimates going forward, but the combined portfolio will more than double production to 1.38 million ounces by 2026. And that production growth then drives a substantial increase in EBITDA and operating cash with EBITDA projected to nearly quadruple to almost $2 billion in 2026 at consensus gold prices and $2.4 billion at spot gold prices today. Next slide. You can see here how this merger really creates a leading Canadian gold producer. With Greenstone and Valentine operating at planned capacity, Equinox will be the second larger producer of gold from mines in Canada, with 590,000 ounces per year from the 2 mines. Canada is one of the most favorable jurisdictions in the world for mining and Ontario and Newfoundland are top jurisdictions within Canada. In addition to production and EBITDA growth, this transaction elevates our market position substantially. The new company will break out of the intermediate space and into a select group of larger producers, which positions us as a top 10 primary gold producer listed in North America and a top 15 globally. This means greater index inclusion ,increased liquidity and stronger institutional ownership. These are all factors that drive long-term shareholder value. Again, this slide is all analysts' consensus estimates. But you can see that this merger will move the combined company into a new peer set, comprising of much larger producers but trading at a much lower price to net asset value. And compared to the new peer set, the combined company has the second largest gold endowment and the most production growth over the next few years to almost 1.4 million ounces. From a value proposition, there's considerable potential here for an upside rerate to our PNAV multiple. And we expect this rerate could be amplified by other factors as well and specifically the increased Canadian focus. Producers of gold in Canada enjoy significantly higher PNAV multiples than non-Canadian producers, thanks to the strong reputation and strong geopolitical standing of Canada. The combined gold production for Greenstone and Valentine of almost 600,000 ounces per year will be the second highest level of gold production from Canadian mines and the 2 operations will represent well over 50% of our net asset value. And I mentioned earlier, the company will generate substantial cash flow. And this cash flow will help to accelerate paying down debt and increasing our financial flexibility and liquidity. More than 200,000 ounces of production from the Nicaraguan operation will be an immediate cash and EBITDA injection to the merged company, and Valentine will contribute additional cash flow as it ramps up later this year. And of course, the sustaining high gold price environment will contribute to even more rapid debt reduction and cash accumulation. Now I'll pass this back to Ross for some closing remarks.

Thanks, Greg. So this last slide here kind of sums it all up. We've talked about every one of these points from our enhanced capital markets profile, obviously, better and more diversified portfolio, the ownership of the 2 big Canadian gold mines coming to us, 100% interest, of course, and the immediate increase in production and cash flow, improved financial strength, all the stuff we've talked about. I really like the pie chart on the right, though. It sort of sums up the impact of the 2 mines coming together and creating this Canadian gold powerhouse. And that's really as much as anything, why we've done this. And I think it's just going to have fabulous long-term value creation for shareholders of both companies. So with all of those comments, I think we'll end the remarks here from the 4 of us, and turn the call over to questions.

Thank you, Ross. Operator, can you please remind people how to ask the questions?

[Operator Instructions] The first question today comes from Wayne Lam with TD Securities.

Obviously, this is a pretty transformational transaction for Equinox in putting 2 big Canadian products together. Just wondering, in evaluating the terms of the deal, do you guys anticipate a high likelihood of an at-market transaction going through without additional competition given the context of a record gold price and the focus on Canadian assets? And then maybe just wondering on the Equinox side, can you give us an idea of whether you guys will be relatively aggressive in exercising your right to match?

Sure. Thanks, Wayne. it's Greg speaking here. Yes, I think there's a very high likelihood of this transaction getting closed. It's been structured very intentionally as all share at-market merger for both sets of shareholders, almost like a merger of equals. So we're going to be sharing Board, senior management, et cetera. Darren Hall is coming on as President and COO. I'll remain as the CEO and then we've got Blayne and Doug from Calibre joining our directors as well as a couple of other directors. So from our perspective, the merits of the combined company are such that we think this transaction will have broad support of sets of shareholders. I don't think that's something we're going to have to worry about. It's a bridge will cross if it manifests. But as for now, we're very confident in this transaction closing.

Very great. And maybe for Darren, just wondering if maybe there's any update on the construction or how things are going at Valentine. Perhaps some would question the timing of the transaction with first golden site. Just wondering if there's any read-through on how things are kind of going versus the timing where we've typically seen the rerate into production from companies building new mines.

Yes. No, thanks, Wayne. It would be great to catch up and have a chat over the merits as well. But yes, things are going swimmingly at Valentine. We're still confident in our Q2 prognosis for first gold. As Greg and I both commented on this morning, the build is going well. We're confident in where it sits. And as for timing, the merger with Equinox provides combined shareholders with a diversified gold production base with significant growth opportunities, right? The combination of 2 new long-life, low-cost open pit gold mines, Valentine and Greenstone will see the cornerstone of exciting new major Canadian gold producer. So -- and people will ask why now? Well, with Valentine approaching first gold and Greenstone having just delivered first gold, neither of those assets have been re-rated in the market. So that's the opportunity that presents the combined company. So I think it's an ideal time. People will look at it and go, why now? Well, I couldn't see a better time, right, given that neither of those assets have been rerated.

Okay. Perfect. And then maybe just last one. Just with the combined entity, you guys will have, I think, something like 11 or 12 operating assets. Do you view that as manageable going forward? And would there be any planned asset rationalization? And then just curious, from the Equinox side, if this transaction has any implications on the importance of the ongoing negotiations at Los Filos.

I'll start with this. The answer to that one, Wayne, it's for sure, we are going to rationalize the portfolio. We are going to have a look at this after we conclude the transaction and seeing what is the best fit for us and what might be returned to the market for a better company to run. So definitely, there will be rationalization. I just can't say which exactly at this point. And then, of course, Los Filos is a significant question mark right now. We had hoped to have it fully resolved by this time, but it has not completely resolved. And so it's still up in the air, and we'll have to just simply provide information to the market over the next -- we expect by the end of March, certainly, there will be a resolution one way or the other at Los Filos, and we'll report on it at that time. Any color, Darren?

No. I mean, again, I'll comment more about the manageability of the asset base, right? However, the organization best determines to extract value was a different discussion. But the ability to manage this is absolutely within our wheelhouse. If you look at the quality teams that are currently in place at each of those spaces, they have and will continue to do what they do. The beauty of this transaction is we'll be able that family together and leverage off the strengths within the organization to identify new opportunities across the business to be able to improve those assets. So I'm comfortable that bolting these things together, we can continue to extract value and grow.

Congratulations on the transformational transaction.

The next question comes from Anita Soni with CIBC.

Wayne pretty much asked almost the same thing that I was going to ask, but I'm going to dig a little further on some of them. So on Los Filos, how did -- when you were coming up with the valuation and the relative deal metrics, how did you treat Los Filos? I see that you don't have it in production, you do have it in the reserve calculation. I'm just trying to understand how Calibre shareholders or Equinox shareholders can determine whether or not this deal is accretive or dilutive without information on Los Filos?

Yes, Anita, this is Greg speaking. I guess I kind of reiterate what I said on the quarterly call, which is that right now, Los Filos is subject to some uncertainty. And because of that, we didn't include it in our guidance for 2025. And when we looked at it in the context of the merger, we risk-adjusted it in terms of its valuation, and we looked at the company a bunch of different ways. If we're able to get Los Filos back into production and bring it back into a world-class development project, which is what everyone wants, it's going to benefit both sets of shareholders. But in the meantime, we don't know exactly how that's going to play out. So it's hard to give you a definitive answer. What I would say is certainly, it's no surprise that Los Filos carries a higher risk given its jurisdiction and our experience there since we acquired the mine. We spent the last 4 years deploying most of our capital into Canada, and we're very happy that we have.

Okay. So I asked this question on the quarterly call, but I didn't get an answer. What's the kind of CapEx investment that you're going to need to put into Los Filos if it comes back into the production fold?

Yes, you're going to get the same response as I gave you at the quarter end. We'll provide guidance to the market when we've got guidance to provide.

Okay. And then just another follow-up in terms of managing, I guess, it will be 11 assets once Valentine's in production as well. Is -- I mean, is the plan just to have Darren be the COO? Is Doug going to be still with the technical team? Is he going to help with the transition?

So yes, Darren will be President and COO on closing. Doug, obviously, has been a big part of our growth over the last 5 years and his role remains somewhat uncertain at the moment, but that's something we'll talk to Doug about, and Darren and Doug will discuss going forward.

Yes. And Anita, let me layer in there. If you think about the quality and the depth of the combined team, I think that's what needs to be focused on. I mean we have a great opportunity here where if you look at that Doug's a phenomenal character with great technical skills and knowledge of the assets. You've got [ Dave Schumer ] coming in from outside as well who has a pedigree of operating and managing large open pit mines, which is look at the future that we've painted for you this morning. Yes, there's more than enough opportunity to fit everyone into a new blended family, absolutely.

Okay. And then just a last question on deleveraging. You guys are talking about sort of accelerated leveraging. Can you just -- like where is the -- where do you see the acceleration just from -- simply from more ounces? I mean, obviously, Equinox has more debt than Calibre does. But it's basically adding the Calibre ounces helping you guys improve your balance sheet? Is that the rationale?

I mean I think it's maybe not the rationale for the transaction itself, but it's certainly a collateral benefit to the transaction that we're going to have the cash flow being generated by Calibre's other mines immediately providing cash flow into the combined company. I think in our quarterly call and in our reporting, we said we were targeting $200 million of debt reduction plus the convertible notes. And that remains. But I think as we said that this transaction should allow us to improve on that. And certainly, as we move into 2026 and 2027, the cash flow potential of the combined company is so significant that we'll be able to deleverage very quickly.

Okay. So one last question, if I may. On Calibre. It's been a while since I've covered that one. But just wondering have you provided guidance in terms of production and capital for this year and what the outlook looks like in '26?

I haven't provided 2026 information yet, Anita. But earlier in January, we provided guidance for full year 2025. So -- but happy to catch up offline and do a bit of a walk through if that would work for you, too.

Thanks, Anita. We'll take a few questions from my line. I've got a bunch of questions for Calibre. Why are you doing the $75 million raise?

Yes. Why the convert? The concurrent financing provides Calibre insurance during the transaction period, which could last 3 to 4 months. Financing during transaction period is somewhat restrictive. So it's a good time to have. It's great to have there, just in the odd chance that anything goes wrong.

I guess the only thing I'd add is that Equinox is taking $40 million of that financing, which will eliminate on closing. So in aggregate, it's like a $35 million convertible financing that just ensures during this period between announcement and close that Calibre has the flexibility to do what they need to do on their balance sheet.

This is a question from Equinox Gold shareholder for Calibre. What should we expect in terms of scope to grow the resource base in Nicaragua and how many years of production do you aspire to there?

Yes. That's a great question. I guess is that since -- yes, if you think about the assets and they've been operating since the 1930s, my guess is there's a fair bit of runway. If you look at recent exploration results at the VTEM Corridor and Limon, we continue to keep track in front of the train. So no, I think that they're enduring assets. They have been and they will be around for a long time. So yes, looking forward to longevity there in Nicaragua as we're doing in Brazil from those engineering assets. So no, it's definitely exciting times and that's why I specifically mentioned, it's great to look at the Canadian leverage with the 2 new assets. But those enduring assets are very, very important in our portfolio going forward as well.

I know you spoke already to the synergies of the mines together, but there's lots of questions online about the financial synergies of the transaction.

Sure. I'll take that. I mean, like any mining merger, you've got mines kind of spread geographically around the world. So each individual mine in combining doesn't necessarily realize meaningful synergies. What I would say is when you're combining 2 corporate offices, obviously, there's opportunities for some synergies there. We also -- between the 2 companies, we'll be able to take advantage of some of Equinox's centralized supply chain, purchasing power that comes with scale, that type of thing, especially with the 2 mines in Canada. So there will be synergies and G&A savings and efficiencies that come out of this transaction. But obviously, on a mine-by-mine basis, it's less clear just given the geographic spread of those assets.

Operator, can we please take some more questions from the line?

The next question comes from John Tumazos with John Tumazos Independent Research.

I know this question was asked, but there's $183 million of cash on the Calibre balance sheet. I know there's a lot of current liabilities, too. Could you elaborate a little bit more on the $75 million financing and how much more money needs to be spent not just to complete the machinery at Valentine, but through the commissioning phase?

Yes. Yes, John, probably a good conversation to have. We can bring you up to speed off-line as well so we can get you familiar with the product as it's been a little while. But as we see Valentine today, with our current treasury and anticipated initial project capital, we're more than funded from existing treasury and ignoring cash flow from operations. So we're in a very solid position. And as we've highlighted, the convert is more about flexibility in the case of an insurance during the transaction period. So no, but...

So how much more money do you need to finish Valentine?

We've provided guidance for the year, and it's included in that guidance. And if we look at IPC, so initial project capital outstanding, it's in the order of about CAD 100 million.

The next question comes from Ovais Habib with Scotiabank.

Couple of good questions have already been asked. Just maybe a couple of more questions from me. You talked about synergies, but maybe, Darren, based on the due diligence that you've done on Equinox ops, do you see any sort of low-hanging fruit? And flip this to Greg, when you did your due diligence, did you see any immediate opportunities with Calibre portfolio?

Yes. Well, maybe I'll answer and see what Greg would like to layer in on, but, Ovais, it's a good question. And as we've talked about in the past, there hasn't been an asset that I've ever visited that we haven't been able to identify opportunity. And that's not a hubris comment. It's the same with people follow me in, right? People who follow me into an asset, don't look at what I've done, and they'll see opportunity to be able to extract value as well because it's a fresh set of eyes. So I think that what we've seen during this process is from the combined view that comes from the due diligence. And remember, this was a merger of equals at market. It wasn't trying to negotiate a premium. So the due diligence is very, very useful as we go forward to say, hey, we saw this, what about that, what about this to be able to leverage off. So I think that the due diligence process is going to give us a whole bunch of really cool neat thing that we'll be able to further extract value from this consolidated portfolio of assets.

And I guess from our perspective, I'm not a geologist, and Ross may want to chime in here, but we went down to Nicaragua and very impressive with what the company has accomplished down there and very impressed with the prospectivity of their assets down in Nicaragua. And in Canada, obviously, at Valentine, the exploration potential along that gold belt, both along the current structure and also the ones in the north for us, we see a tremendous amount of potential for long, long time mining there, and that was certainly a very exciting aspect of acquiring the assets. Ross?

Yes. I'd echo that, Greg, what well said. I mean, especially Valentine, for me, it's really got the potential to be a long-life gold camp, multiple deposits along a shear zone and a beautiful infrastructure, location is great. It's really got long-life potential, and it has a ton of potential but [ as Greg said ] but also at depth. And right now, there's 10 drills that are working or there's -- sorry...

I mean there's 3 now.

There's 3 now ...

Do you think we should be 10...

I'm getting a message passed to me here, 10 drills, and I haven't been on site for a few months, but all I can say is, yes, we'd like to add some more drills to what they already have there and just keep exploring that ore body as much as possible. It has really good legs, too. And it has -- I'm looking forward to continuing good results for a long, long time to go.

Just in terms of following up on Wayne's question on rationalization of assets. Obviously, you guys are going to close the transaction, get comfortable with the assets, figure out which operations, I guess, to keep or to sell. But further down the line, is the plan still to kind of add additional assets in Canada? Is that where the focus is heading for the group?

Good grief. Let's digest what we have here. This is a major transaction for both of our companies. There's going to be lots of integration to do of people. And our focus, of course, is getting this tremendous cash flow, using it to delever our balance sheet. We are not looking at anything else for the immediate future. Right now, this is very much an opportunity to create something great. We'll focus on doing...

Yes. And I'd just add to that, Ross. When you look at the combined portfolio of assets without going anywhere, there is so much growth opportunity. You don't need to spend any capital to acquire anymore. We've got Castle Mountain. We've got discoveries in Nicaragua. We've got discoveries in Valentine. You've got the opportunity to improve Brazil. That's an abundance of work and value creation without even stepping out your front door. So no, we'll be looking very much inward to create value with the assets we have.

Got it. Congratulations on the transaction.

The next question comes from James Hayter with Orion.

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I think we'll have to take your question off-line, James. We can't hear you. Okay. Operator, can you move that line, please? Okay. So we have no more questions online, surprisingly. If we didn't ask your question, either Ryan or I will get back to you soon. I also invite all of you to attend the fireside chat that Greg and Darren are doing this afternoon at 5:00 Eastern at the BMO conference. The link to that live webcast is on my website and on the Calibre website, and it will be also be archived on both websites, so you can watch it at your convenience. This call will be available with transcript in a few days. So you can circle back. And if you have any follow-up questions, please don't hesitate to get in touch with Ryan or I. Ross, would you like to do any closing statements?

No, I think we said it all. Thanks to everybody for joining today and watch us as we develop this deal and take it to conclusion and then build the combined company in a very satisfactory manner. Thank you all.

Thanks for joining us today. Operator, you may now conclude the call.

This brings to a close today's conference call. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating, and have a pleasant day.