Essex Property Trust, Inc. (ESS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

September 16, 2026

NYSE US Real Estate Residential REITs conference_presentation 35 min

What were the key takeaways from Essex Property Trust, Inc.'s September 16, 2026 earnings call?

In the third quarter of 2026, Essex Property Trust, Inc. (ESS:US) reported a stable operational performance with a focus on Northern California's multifamily market, which is expected to drive future growth. The company highlighted a rent growth of approximately 150 basis points for 2027, significantly above last year's 65 basis points. Revenue and earnings figures were not disclosed in the transcript, but management indicated a positive outlook for same-store NOI growth in 2027 compared to 2026, signaling potential stock appreciation.

What topics did Essex Property Trust, Inc. cover?

  • Northern California Rent Growth: Management indicated that Northern California's rent growth is supported by strong demand catalysts, particularly in the AI sector. CEO Angela Kleiman stated, "I think we have a long runway here" for rent growth, suggesting optimism for 2027.
  • Rent-to-Income Ratio: The current rent-to-income ratio in Northern California is at 21%, down from 25% pre-COVID, indicating room for rent increases without straining affordability. Barb Pak noted, "Rent growth... is not impacting our rent-to-income ratio because wage growth is also going up at a pretty significant clip."
  • Regulatory Environment: Management discussed the impact of California's AB-1482 and similar regulations in Washington, maintaining a self-imposed 10% cap on rent increases. Kleiman mentioned, "We will do just fine in those situations," indicating confidence in navigating regulatory challenges.
  • Delinquency Rates in Los Angeles: Delinquency rates in Los Angeles remain elevated at 1.5%, double the historical average. Barb Pak stated, "L.A. is really the only market... where delinquency is not back to our pre-COVID level," raising concerns about recovery in this market.
  • Supply Constraints: Management noted that supply in California remains anemic, with only 0.5% of total stock available. Kleiman emphasized, "We have high conviction that the next 4 years, not a lot is going to change," indicating ongoing supply challenges.

What were Essex Property Trust, Inc.'s September 16, 2026 results?

  • Rent Growth for 2027: 150 basis points (vs 65 basis points in 2026, indicating strong improvement)
  • Current Rent-to-Income Ratio: 21% (down from 25% pre-COVID, showing potential for rent increases)
  • Delinquency Rate in Los Angeles: 1.5% (vs historical average of 0.8%, indicating ongoing challenges)
  • Supply as a Percentage of Total Stock: 0.5% (indicating significant supply constraints in California)
  • Operating Margin: 100 basis points above peers (demonstrating operational efficiency)
  • Cap Rates for High-Quality Assets: 4.5% to mid-4s (indicating stable investment conditions despite interest rate movements)

Essex Property Trust's focus on Northern California's multifamily market, coupled with strong demand drivers, positions the company well for future growth. However, elevated delinquency rates in Los Angeles and ongoing supply constraints present risks. Investors should monitor the company's ability to navigate these challenges while capitalizing on favorable market conditions.

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Jana Galan

analyst
#1

Bank of America's 2026 Global Real Estate Conference. I'm Jana Galan, BofA's residential REIT analyst. And we're thrilled to have with us Essex Property Trust's President and CEO; Angela Kleiman and CFO, Barb Pak. I'll turn it over to Angela for opening remarks, and then we can jump into Q&A.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#2

Great. Thanks, Jana. It's great to be here. Thank you all for attending. And thank Bank of America for putting together such a fantastic venue. So it's very productive, I think, for all of us. So we're happy to support this event. As it just a high-level overview. I think most of you I see a lot of familiar faces and know us well. when an S&P 500 company focused in multifamily space in the West Coast of United States, so is California and Washington about Depending on the day, about $24 billion in total market cap and 63,000 units across this footprint. And we focus our markets on in areas where there's low supply and catalyst for demand drivers. And so as a result of that, we have a disciplined capital allocation program that essentially converts the top line growth into the bottom line growth that outperforms the peer, which results in long-term outperformance on a total return basis in the top tier of all the REIT space. But more importantly, we have where a dividend aristograt was 32 years of consecutive dividend growth. And also pleased with that. And with the fundamental backdrop of low supply and demand catalyst with AI in the technology space. We are operating in a stable environment with potential upside in terms of rent growth and which is driven by strong fundamentals.

Jana Galan

analyst
#3

Great. Thank you. Maybe we'll start off with the operations, and you guys did provide an update. If you can just kind of go over some of those highlights and how did the peak leasing season this year compared to expectations.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#4

Yes, that's a good question. We actually have a presentation published that's available online. So on Page 12 of our presentation, we present the rent curve of what we've experienced to date relative to long-term averages in 2016 to 2019 and also compare it to last year. And so in both of those cases, our rent curve is doing better than long-term average and last year. And the rent curve also shows that we have an extended peak leasing season, which is fantastic that peak is 100% driven by Northern California. So Seattle has experienced a normal seasonality. In Southern California really didn't have a peak. It's pretty much performing on top of last year's performance, and that's understandable with the broad economy. And what we're seeing that rent curve right now is that it's starting to flatten which also makes sense as we now enter into the typical slower seasonal part of our business, especially in the fourth quarter, when employees don't typically hire and tenants don't typically want to move between, say, Thanksgiving and Christmas. And so we'll wait to see how that deceleration trend occurs. But right now, what we are anticipating based on leases that we've signed today through August is about 150 basis points of earn-in for 2027. And which is good news compared to last year, it's 65 basis points above last year. And so things are doing well on the ground here.

Jana Galan

analyst
#5

Great. And maybe focusing first on Northern California, you've been through other kind of apartment rent cycles. Do you think that the rent growth for that region could be even stronger in 2027?

Barb Pak

executive
#6

Yes, that's a good question. I think it's too early for us to predict '27. I do think, though, that the fundamental backdrop for Northern California, the demand catalyst with AI, what we're seeing with job postings and company formation, office leases that are being taken down does and then the affordability component of Northern California gives it -- it does give it legs for several years. What '27 is going to do, we're still working through our budgets, and we'll provide more color later this year. But in terms of in having an extended cycle. I think we're in the early innings of the recovery. In Northern California, if you look back, it really has done nothing since 2019. It was negative and flat for several years, and we're just starting to see rent growth. And so I think given the demand catalysts that are out there and the low supply that is in this market and will be in '27 and into '28 and even into '29 because we know it takes so long to get things entitled and developed. I think we have a long runway here.

Jana Galan

analyst
#7

And can you maybe touch on the opportunity with rent as a percent of income in the region?

Barb Pak

executive
#8

Yes. So if you look at the rent-to-income ratio today, we're at 21%, and this is for the market in Northern California. Historically, pre-covered we were at 25%. And so what that means is we could grow rent, if rents go up 20% from here with no increase in wages, we would get back to our pre-COVID rent-to-income ratio. But what we are seeing is significant wage growth in the Bay Area. And so rent growth, while it is going up significantly, it is not impacting our rent-to-income ratio because wage growth is also going up at a pretty significant clip. . So there is some of the best affordability on the multifamily apartment side that we've seen in years. And as you guys all know, it's very expensive to own a home. It's much cheaper to rent than to own a home in the Bay Area. That dynamic hasn't changed. It's actually gotten even cheaper to rent versus own. It's about 2.5x more expensive to own a home than to rent in the Bay Area.

Jana Galan

analyst
#9

And I've gotten some incoming questions just on the kind of regulatory front or the different types of rent caps for your markets? Maybe if you could share a little bit about that.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#10

Oh, happy to. So for the state of California and actually Washington as well, their state wine control, and they're pretty much on top of each other. So California has AB-1482 that CPI plus 5 kept at 10%. Seattle is CPI+7 capped at 10%. And in both of those scenarios, we view that as an anti-aging measure. And so in that environment, Essex has had a 10% self-imposed cap well before these legislations were passed. And so we will do just fine in those situations. And in terms of where the markets land, Northern California, no surprise, it's pushing up close to that cap on the renewal side. And as far as the other markets, we still have quite a bit of room.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#11

I guess for those that are newer to Essex, and you talk about the philosophy, the history behind the 10% self-governed 10% cap in why is that a good thing?

Angela Kleiman

executive
#12

Yes, happy to. Our theory is that our leases do turn pretty quickly. They're 9 to 12 months on average. And so seem like a -- for us, a reasonable number in terms of just being responsible corporate citizens. -- because it doesn't take us long to recapture or get close to where the market is. At the same time, it doesn't create so much stress for the the tenant base, especially in an environment where California produces so little housing. And it's tough for tenants to find alternative places to live, we didn't want to create such distress, and 10% is an environment where you can still operate efficiently and be able to manage your business and invest in capital recycling quite efficiently. I guess.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#13

10% is great, 5% would be awesome. And there's some pretty favorable regulation. Is there any noise at all in upcoming election period of anybody trying to suppressive that changed the legislation to be more restrictive.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#14

We haven't heard proposals less than 10%. Let's start there. And there's always going to be noise because there's a lot of rhetoric. I do think that in the recent years, what we have seen is the California legislature learned from COVID, where owners and less regulation and onerous eviction moratoriums really hurt the state of California and certainly didn't help creation of new housing, which is I think they do recognize that it's needed.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#15

And so before the state had a limit -- you guys had your own limit your I guess, the scale that you had in your markets is not enough to, let's say, impact the market. So your competitors might have been doing the 15, 20, there were a few years where the work boom years, I guess you're saying the shorter leases, you were still able to capture the upside over those couple of years regardless so now the new governor, everyone at this 10%, this would be a new right? This is the first it was enacted a couple of years ago. So this would be the first time that we may see the markets actually pushed to that, potentially, it sounds like it a few years.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#16

Yes. I think that's a reasonable assumption. So this was AB-1482 was enacted in 2018. The Seattle legislation was enacted last year. And when you look at our growth cycle coming out of the great Recession, we had a long tail of high single-digit, low double-digit growth from 2012 to, say, 2016. And because of this legislation that is now market-wide is it possible that going to be longer tail? I think that is a reasonable assumption, especially in light of the current market dynamics, our supply as a percentage of total stock is only 30 basis points. That is record level low. And the rent-to-income ratio, that Barb mentioned, I've never seen a gap like this in my 30-year career in this business. And then you layer on the technology catalysts to as a demand driver. It's like the perfect storm of solid fundamentals, creating a long tail for this market.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#17

So the biggest risk, of course, then would be if the state was able to incentivize supply, right, we've seen in the that the real way to limit rent growth is supply so to confirm, I guess, what are what's the latest on the supply front in California.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#18

It's still very anemic. And part of it is well legislation, there's been legislation proposed to facilitate supply we've seen some tick up. It's mostly in the affordable space, which is actually good because we're not we don't operate in that space in a meaningful way, and we really need more affordable housing than anything else. So if you look at San Jose in the next 2 to 3 years, supply is actually in affordable space. And in L.A., the reason the uptick is mostly unaffordable. So that's a good thing. But as far as generally speaking, we underwrite we underwrote a 100 land sites last year and picked 1. And partly because even though there's accelerated entitlement available and people think about FastTrack, if you take it take that word at a face value, we think, oh, it's like immediate. Well, no, what the practical reality is that when we went through this we're going through this with our loan view site is that, okay, instead of 3 years, it's 2.5, 6 months pickup. Yes. Now and this is by right. We're not rezoning. So this is entitlement by right, and we're just going through the permitting process. So you go through the process, that's 2.5 years to put up a building like a podium mid-rise 250-unit plus type building. So in down the fairway for us 36 months minimum. So you can see in California with high conviction when supply is coming your way. And we have high conviction that the next 4 years, not a lot is going to change. Even if they fast track everything and more likely 5-year. Pocos structuring costs. continued to increase. And so that is construction costs and labor costs are 2 governors that continues to essentially temper supply in addition to the entitlement process.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#19

Could you give us an idea of the rate of increase and compare that to a few years ago in terms of.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#20

It's better than a few years ago. So free coin and even during COVID, not a whole lot happened during covet, ut precoat construction costs in our markets was going up in the low single -- low double digits to mid, so say around 10% to 15%. And Today, it's closer to, say, inflation plus. So it's probably around 4%, 5%. And so it's probably moving depending on your market, right? So if you're in Northern California, then it's better economics. But in Southern California, it's still not going to pencil and of course, Seattle it depends on the pocket.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#21

It's lower than rent.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#22

Slower than Brent. But you have to go back to what's the land cost on the basis as well. So all those components influences our expected yield. .

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#23

And can you give us a little bit of color on land, land cost in the land transaction market. .

Angela Kleiman

executive
#24

It's actually a wide range because every -- most landholders are their individuals, and they all have different holding cycles and different kinds of capital. And so what we have seen is very little land site coming to market, even in Northern California, and land sellers have, for the most part, a higher expectation of what the value of the land is then what the builders are willing to pay, which is why we underwrote over 100 and only picked 1 to move forward with last year.

Jana Galan

analyst
#25

Maybe I go ahead .

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#26

I was just going to add just a follow-up. So we do see some supply numbers hitting. It's really going to saying at least half of it will be affordable housing. And that doesn't impact your more B pricing it does not impact.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#27

It does not really impact our our market rate business. And the affordable, what I'm referring to is San Jose and L.A.

Jana Galan

analyst
#28

Maybe we could shift a little bit to greater Seattle, Leasing improved last quarter, but post COVID, it's really kind of been plagued by stops and starts. Maybe if you could share with us how have trends progressed in your portfolio and the difference between downtown and Bellevue.

Barb Pak

executive
#29

Yes. So Seattle, as you mentioned, has had some pockets of starts and stops. And last year in the fourth quarter, it was a little bit more challenged and even into January, there were some layup announcements with Amazon and Microsoft -- we've got those behind us. We also were dealing with some more heavy supply deliveries. That's starting to abate as well. And so the market is stable. It's not overly strong. but there are some good foundational building blocks for it to improve over the next 12 to 18 months. And really, what we're focused on is when you look at supply, and we do have a chart on Page 14 of our presentation. In 2024, we delivered 2.4% of stock. And then that came down in '25 to $1.7 billion. So those are still pretty elevated years of supply and now we're sub-1% and declining. And so the supply backdrop looks much better now than it has for the last few years, which will allow us to put up better rent growth numbers with less job growth. And then on the jobs front, what we are seeing is AI companies, some of the big names are taking office space in the Seattle market. in Bellevue, a lot of the leases that have been signed are in Bellevue. There are some in CBD, but the vast majority have been taken down in Bellevue, which benefits us because 80% of our portfolio is in the East side or North and South and 20% is in CBD. CBD will do just fine, but I think Bellevue and the Eastside will benefit more. Now it's going to take time for these office leases to turn into employees because it's going to take time for them to build out their TIs and get bodies there. So we think end of next year into '28 is really when we're going to start to see better rent growth than what we've seen in the past. And then just to go back to the Amazon comment, they did retrench last year, but what we have seen more recently is they actually have job postings for the first time in a long time. And so they are back hiring in that market, which we think is a good sign for the overall health of that market. So things are slow right now, but we think there are some green shoots for the future.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#30

Do you anticipate the new mayor Seattle impacting business conditions for yourselves?

Angela Kleiman

executive
#31

Yes. So far, what we've seen from the new mayor is let's start with rent control. The new mayor cannot change that has a statewide measure. And so on the margin, there's been proposals, but it hasn't been extreme from that perspective. And so obviously, we don't really have a whole lot of track record with this new mayor, but I do think that the legislature, including Numero recognize that if you timber, if you make it business unfriendly, well, you've seen what happened using the company will start to look elsewhere. But also what's important is you need to keep that supply coming in order to have affordable housing. And so we haven't seen anything in the extreme.

Jana Galan

analyst
#32

And then maybe just turning to Southern California and curious kind of the evictions or bad debt in L.A. How is that trending?

Barb Pak

executive
#33

Yes. So we are still above our long-term average in all. So around 1.5% of our rent is delinquent versus historically, we're around 80 basis points. So we're about 2x the normal. And really, what's the issue with L.A. is the quarter is still delayed. We're 4 to 5 months to get somebody out that market has always had a little bit higher structural delinquency. But if we can get the courts back to more normal 2 to 3 months versus 4 to 5 months, that will help. So right now, L.A. is really the only market of all of our markets where delinquency is not back to our pre-COVID level. So in total, we are at 50 basis points of delinquency as a percent of our rents historically, we're at 40%. And so when we get L.A. back to normal, we'll get our portfolio back to normal. .

Jana Galan

analyst
#34

I don't know if there's any other.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#35

Just on L.A. long-term thoughts, we do our tour each year just in the last couple of years, it just -- we've seen this -- it feels like I'm sorry, like a deterioration just like the jobs, entertainment, et cetera, what's your long-term view on L.A.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#36

Yes. That's a good question. And it's something that we studied closely because that does impact our long-term view. When we look at LA, we do view that it remains soft because it mirrors the broader U.S. economy similar in diversification, maybe a little bit more in professional services. In the U.S., we've all seen the bless jobs. It's like 0.5%. So it's not going to do much in L.A. What we have seen is that this market has been remained stable. So if we look at the economic occupancy, so that is financial less delinquency. So the true cash flow number L.A. has been hovering around 94% for the better part of the year. It hasn't gone worse. So that's a good sign. And when we look at our total revenue, first half compared to the first half of this year compared to the first half last year, it's up slightly. Once again, nothing exciting, but not deterioration. It's 80 basis points better. So those are some good indications with L.A. But part of that is also to even have a positive revenue number in this market. it's supported by the fact that it's very low supply in an LA supply has been going down similar to what had happened in Seattle peaked several years ago and has been decreasing steadily. So that's 1 element that's helped. But the other on the demand side, what we're seeing is some green shoots and we're not expecting and we have not experienced a whole lot of impact from the entertainment industry. And so with Paramount announcing the layoffs and et cetera, it hasn't made a whole lot of difference because the entertainment industry peaked in 2015 with about 340,000 jobs. Multiplier effect is a little over 2. So the entire ecosystem employed maybe 760,000 jobs at the peak. Today, entertainment industry jobs is only 100,000 and so that Paramount 5,000 here 20 there. For the past 2 years, it's been hovering around 100,000 isn't really going to make a difference. And what we expect is that the areas that benefited from the outflow entertainment industry like Toronto or Atlanta, they're probably more vulnerable to that business shrinking because of application of AI. As far as the green shoot is concerned, we have a presentation on Page 17. So feel free to look at that a little bit more. But what's interesting here is we are seeing this defense jobs and aerospace sector, taking a foothold in the broader L.A. area concentrating in up and down the corridor from Long Beach to Huntington Beach. And what's interesting here is we're seeing job hostings in aerospace incrementally increase. So this is not a robust number, but it gives us some assurance that, okay, things are under margin, it's stable and there's some potential green shoots here. And but more importantly, the VC funding in this space has more than doubled between this year and last year. And 1/3 of that funding has been allocated in Southern California. So there's a great little math there that you can see all the company. But what's interesting here is that this sector is anticipated to grow up to $1.5 trillion in the next 10 years getting 30% of that, I think, will be fantastic. I'd be happy with at this point, even 10%. So there's some pretty interesting things happening on the ground.

Jana Galan

analyst
#37

This would be a good segue to kind of capital allocation and the way that you study markets, Essex has maintained its West Coast focus through many cycles. What's your interest today in potentially entering new markets?

Angela Kleiman

executive
#38

No, that's a good question Jana. So my response has been pretty consistent in that there is a price for everything. And at this point in the cycle, we're seeing cap rates are not a whole lot different from 1 major metro to the other. And when you look to the fundamentals with supply at in our markets that essentially, on average, 0.5% of total stock. And with these demand catalysts coming our way that we're starting to see in Northern California, and in the future, in Seattle and potentially Southern California, we're not seeing these kind of dynamics anywhere else in the country. And so we do have conviction that the West Coast is a place to be. And our focus, and if you've seen us to be disciplined allocators is continue to grow in a way that generates accretion. And we've been able to do that even though we've not need to we not had been able to issue stock to do so, but we've been able to do that over the past several years, acquiring close to $2 billion of assets.

Jana Galan

analyst
#39

And then maybe if you want to just comment on kind of cap rates and the transactions you're seeing marketed and your kind of interest level and growing.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#40

Absolutely. Cap rates for the most part in our markets up and down the coast is around 4.5% to high 4s for high-quality institutional assets. The outside of Northern California. Northern California is lower than that cap rates are in the low 4s to mid-4s. So call it about 25 basis points on average lower. And we've seen that cap rate to be quite sticky despite all the interest rate movements. And in terms of scale, I'll give you 1 data point. Last year, about $20 billion of transactions occurred in our market. So we could have doubled the size of our company and purchase everything, although I think all of you will probably throw tomatoes, I mean, if I do that and dilute the company. So the focus for us is grow and add value concurrently, not just grow to grow. We have the right scale to operate efficiently. And I think scale and concentration are 2 terminologies that may be interchange, but that concentration really matters when it comes to generating operating efficiency. 80% of our properties are within 3 to 5 miles of each other we can run 9 to 12 properties as 1 business unit, which makes it incredibly efficient for us. And there is a point of marginal diminishing return when you start to bolt on more properties to that. And so we've gone through all the analysis and have found the most effective way to run our business. We're currently running at a last year, when we looked and this year is probably better, we're running at a 45-unit to on personnel to on personnel ratio which is industry-leading, and our operating margin is over 100 basis points above the peers, partly because we have this benefit of geographic concentration.

Jana Galan

analyst
#41

Great. And then maybe just touching on the structured finance and preferred equity investments. There was a little bit of a headwind to FFO this year, but now that it's rightsized, just how should we think about that going forward?

Barb Pak

executive
#42

Yes. So you are right. This year, we had about 2.5% negative impact to our FFO growth because -- we had a lot of maturities late in 2025 and then heavy in 2026. The book is rightsized. So today, we are accruing on $100 million. And that seems like a pretty good run rate from here. We have 1 small maturity next year. And we have done 1 small deal this year. So I think $100 million is sustainable for us. We -- if we find deals that make sense for us on a risk-adjusted return, we will do a few more deals, but we're not going to grow the book back to where it once was. We do like a small sliver of this business. It does keep us especially our development team gets to see other deals since we're not actively doing a ton of development. But overall, I think that dilution, that headwind that we had from the structured finance rolled down of our book is behind us, and we won't really see that in the numbers in '27.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#43

Just given that you've emphasized early innings in Northern California, but at the same time, may be constrained by the cost of capital, how can you mean harder into being more opportunistic?

Angela Kleiman

executive
#44

That's a great question. We've been able to do so by a combination of cash flow from operations, which is about us about $200 million before CapEx redevelopment and selling assets and we also have private capital partners that are very interested in our markets. So we have several levers that we can execute for us to achieve our goals.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#45

And is that happening right now? Are you working with these private capital to see if you could do aneagain, you passed on 99 development sites was it because of cost that like could you be doing it for others and generating fees or no, it's it's more acquisitions.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#46

Well, in our philosophy with our joint venture, parters is that we would transact on an asset that we would happily own. So it's not so much for the fees per se. It's really to leverage the cost of capital to make sure we're optimizing the total return to us. And so to answer your question, yes, we could do more development and use the fees to offset that dilution. But then for us, that wouldn't be the best decision because we wouldn't have otherwise transacted on this development on our own balance sheet.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#47

The market is so strong, why I think so short term? .

Angela Kleiman

executive
#48

In terms of well, I'm not sure what you mean by short term because we've...

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#49

I don't want to dilution, which I maybe can correctly translate that you don't want to wait 2, 3 years to get the upside from development. .

Angela Kleiman

executive
#50

It's the it's how we view the risk-adjusted return. So for example, the way when we would transact on a development if we can generate higher basis points of additional yield relative to acquisitions. So it's a relative game. So 20% profit. which means if we can buy a 4.5 in order to greenlight a development, we will want to say based on today's in-place rents, not trended, that development needs to generate $5.5 million. And if it's not hitting the hurdle, we're not going to transact. .

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#51

Achieve those.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#52

Well, we found one.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#53

Finance transactions refers the right purchase or..

Angela Kleiman

executive
#54

No. No, we have found that we went into that business because it's a good complement to the development business because so little gets developed in our market. Having said that, we're not going to give away the yield in the hopes of getting Roper because there's a cost to that. And at the end of that development, we may or may not want to acquire that asset, depending on what our cost of capital is and what the acquisition opportunities may be elsewhere. And so we certainly wouldn't want to give that up. And that has been a very successful model for us. .

Jana Galan

analyst
#55

Unfortunately, we're out of time, but I have 3 rapid fire questions that we were asking all the REITs at the conference. Number one, if long-term rates stay higher for longer, which has the biggest impact on your sector's earnings. Is it higher refinancing costs, lower transaction activity or less new supply.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#56

I'm going to with higher refinancing costs. .

Jana Galan

analyst
#57

Over the next 3 years, will third-party capital become a more important source of growth for public REITs than balance sheet capital, yes or no.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#58

If the stock continues to perform, yes. Where it is.

Jana Galan

analyst
#59

For your sector, will 2027 same-store NOI growth be higher, the same or lower than 2026.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#60

I'm not getting any help from you.

Barb Pak

executive
#61

I think it's higher.

Angela Kleiman

executive
#62

Higher the sector the sector won't go with higher.

Jana Galan

analyst
#63

Thank you so much, Angela and Barbara appreciate it.

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