EuroDry Ltd. (EDRY) Q3 FY2025 Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Thank you for standing by, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the EuroDry Limited Conference Call on the Third Quarter 2025 financial results. We have with us today Mr. Aristides Pittas, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Mr. Tasos Aslidis, Chief Financial Officer of the company. [Operator Instructions] I must advise you that this conference is being recorded today. Please be reminded that the company announced its results with a press release that has been publicly distributed. Before passing the floor over to Mr. Pittas, I would like to remind everyone that in today's presentation and conference call, EuroDry will be making forward-looking statements. These statements are within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Matters discussed may be forward-looking statements, which are based on current management expectations that involve risks and uncertainties and that may result in such expectations not being realized. I kindly draw your attention to Slide #2 of the webcast presentation, which has the full forward-looking statement, and the same statement was also included in the press release. Please take a moment to go through the whole statement and read it. And now I would like to turn the floor over to Mr. Pittas. Please go ahead, sir.

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you all for joining us today for our scheduled conference call. Together with me is Mr. Tasos Aslidis, our Chief Financial Officer. The purpose of today's call is to discuss our financial results for the 3- and 9-month period that ended September 30, 2025. Please turn to Slide 3 of the presentation. Our financial highlights are shown here. For the third quarter of 2025, we reported total net revenues of $14.4 million, and the net loss attributable to controlling shareholders of $0.7 million or $0.24 loss per basic and diluted share. Adjusted net loss attributable to controlling shareholders for the quarter was $0.6 million or $0.23 loss per basic and diluted share. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $4.1 million. Please refer to the press release for the reconciliation of adjusted net loss and adjusted EBITDA. Our CFO, Tasos will go over our financial highlights in more detail later on in the presentation. As of today, we have purchased about 335,000 shares of our common stock in the open market for a total of $5.3 million under a $10 million share repurchase plan, which we announced in August 2022. Our Board of Directors has approved an extension of the program for an additional year. We intend to continue executing purchases after the originally approved amount of [indiscernible] at a disciplined rate, taking into account the company's liquidity needs and relatively small free flow. Please turn to Slide 4 to review our recent developments. On October 21, 2025, we delivered [indiscernible] to have a new one, an unaffiliated third party. They really were one of our older ships and the longer-held vessel in our fleet. She was sold for $8.5 million. On the chartering front, our fixes during the third quarter were remnant softer. Several of our vessels are currently employed under time charters ranging between a month to a little over 3 months, allowing us to position our vessels advantageously as market conditions improve. While the Red Sea disruptions continue to influence route reasons and rate premiums, the impact of dry bulk charter rates has largely stabilized. Towards the end of the quarter, seasonal patterns began to reset in sales, and the market showed signs of recovery would still continue. The specifics of the charters fixed during the period are outlined in the accompanying presentation, most notable amount them due to the length of the charters is the moderator, which secured an extension of its index-linked charters at 115% of the average Baltic support and time charter index until at least November 2026. During this quarter, motor vessel Santa Cruise completed a special survey and dry dock over a period of 35 days. Slide 5 shows EuroDry's current fleet, which consists of 11 vessels, with an average age of approximately 12.8 years and the total carrying capacity of about 767,000 deadweight tons. In addition, we have 2 Ultramax vessels under construction, each with a capacity of 63,500 deadweight tons scheduled for delivery in the second and third quarters of 2027. Upon delivery, our fleet will expand to 13 vessels with a total carrying capacity of just under 900,000 deadweight tons. Now please turn to Slide 6 for a visual update on our current fleet employment. As of September 30, 2025, our fixed trade coverage for the remainder of the year stands at approximately 45% based on existing index charter agreements. This figure excludes vessels operating under index-linked after which while subject to market fluctuations to have secured employment. We currently have 4 vessels. The Maria [indiscernible] trading on index-linked charters with durations ranging till March 2026 to at least November 2026. Turning to Slide 8. We will go over the general market highlights for the third quarter ended September 30, 2025, and up until decently. Panamax export rates rose steadily through the third quarter of 2025, increasing from an average of about $14,500 per day to approximately $14,950 per day by cost rent, reflecting a slight increase. As of November 7, spot rates for Panamax vessels increased further and now stands at around $15,500 a day. Now 1 year time charter rates are a bit lower than the spot rate, and [indiscernible] gives the standard Panamax 1 GTC rate at $15,525 per day. During the third quarter, the Baltic Dry Index and the Baltic Panamax Index recorded year-over-year increases of approximately 6% and 14%, respectively, reflecting a slight market -- a slightly better market compared to the same period last year. This recent recovery in the super [indiscernible] range was supported by stronger-than-expected demand from minor bulks, robust grain trade flows and the marginal tightening in vessel supply driven by longer mortgage distances and retail trade disruptions. Please now to Slide 9. According to the IMF's October 2025 projections, global growth is expected to reach slightly from 3.3% in 2024 to 3.2% in 2025, and 3.1% in 2026 with advanced economies growing around 1.5% and emerging markets and developing economies just about 4%. Persistent trade tensions and ongoing policy uncertainty and dampening investment and trade activity and as tariffs work their way to supply chains and on to consumers, the IMF predicts a gradual but not too severe global growth deceleration. Global inflation is projected to moderate worldwide, lower evenly across regions remaining above target in the United States where risks advented to the upside and were subdued as well. U.S. growth is projected at 2% in 2025 and 2.1% in 2026, a modest upgrade revision from earlier forecast reflecting smaller-than-expected effects from tariffs and more favorable financial conditions. In late October, the Federal Reserve lowered the target range for the federal funds rate by 25 basis points to 3.75% to 4%. Chair Powell has not ruled out the possibility of an additional rate cut at the center meeting. The overall outlook remains fragile with downside risks stemming from persistence and certainty potential [indiscernible] measures and ongoing labor constraints. Among emerging markets, India is growing faster and is forecast to expand by 6.6% in 2025 and 6.2% in 2026, supported by robust domestic investments, resilient technicultural output and the vibrant services sector. The [indiscernible] economies are also expected to post solid growth of around 4.2% in 2025 and 4.1% in 2026. The underpinned by the health in regional trade and the continued industrial activity. China's economic outlook is projected to continue toward decelerating pace. These challenges include the widening gap between industrial supply and weak domestic demand as well as ongoing trade tensions with the U.S. including the new tariffs on Chinese goods extra controls and restrictions on high-tech actors. China's growth is consequently expected to moderate to 4.8% in 2025 and 4.4% in 2026. Despite domestic headwinds, the Chinese economy is being supported by strong export performance to regions like Southeast Asia and the EU and the still the consilience manufacturing sector. Turning to the dry bulk sector to see how the global growth affects the demand for the dry bulk. Claxton research now projects dry bulk trade demand growth at just 1.4% in 2025, 2.1% in 2026 and 1.8% in 2027, indicating a stronger trajectory than previously estimated growth. The recovery supported by steady industrial output in Asia continued demand for minor bulks and improving actual and coal trade flows. Please turn to Slide 10 to review the current state of the order book in the dry bulk sector. As of November 2025, the order book stands at approximately 10.9% of the existing fleet. Although higher than the 7% reported in 2021, it remains amongst the lowest levels in history. For context, the order book accounted for 80% of the fleet in 2008, and nearly 30% in 2015. Current ordering activity remains limited due to shipyard capacity constraints, high new building costs and uncertainties surrounding future fuel technologies and environmental regulations. Turning to Slide 11. Let us now look into the supply fundamentals in a little bit more detail. As of November 2025, the total dry bulk fleet comprises roughly 14,150 vessels. According to Clarksons lastest state with new deliveries as a percentage of the existing fleet are projected at 3.7% for 2025, 4.2% for 2026 and 3.4% from 2027 with actual fleet growth expected to be slightly lower due to slippage and demolition activity. The fleet age profile shows that about 10.6% of the global fleet is over 20 years old, representing a pool of potential scrapping candidate, particularly if market conditions were so and environmental requirements tighten further. Overall, fleet renewal remains balanced amongst the various vessel sizes. The majority of vessels are concentrated in the 10- to 14-year old range, where still most vessels built around that time were not eco-ships. Therefore, the number of eco vessels available in the market is still a minority amongst the existing fleet. Please turn to Slide 12, where we summarize our outlook for the dry bulk market. The dry bulk carrier market strengthened notably during the third quarter with average saccharterage for Supramax and Panamax vessels, increasing by roughly 13% quarter-on-quarter reflecting improved demand trends across several key commodities. The red see attacks earlier in the summer disrupted Canal transits further in tightened vessel supply further supporting trade rates. Demand for larger vessel classes remains on smaller segments also recorded strong gains adding to the overall positive event. Looking ahead to the remainder of 2025, market conditions still remain uncertain, shaped by the recent geopolitical and policy developments. In October 2025, as we all know, the U.S. and China escalated the trade dispute, introducing the cyclical for fees on each other's vessels, which added complexity to shipping operations. However, following the meeting between President Trump and [indiscernible] last month, bodies signaled a temporary escalation and port fees postponed. Meanwhile, the ceasefire between Israel and Hamas has also brought attention to potential ceasing of Red Sea resin disruptions. For now, shipping companies are still adopting the causes wait and see stands and no immediate changes in routing patterns have been experienced. In 2026, the market still faces challenges around a broad and potential pattern trade adjustments. However, Chinese demand from bauxite and Iran or will remain the key driver, while global infrastructure spending should continue to support industrial materials space. [indiscernible] harvest in the U.S., Brazil and Russia are also expected to sustain robust grain export for the Supramax and Panamax sector. or expected is a rebound in coal trade and steady minor bulk demand. However, the potential normalization of Red Sea traffic could result in lower ton-mile demand as routes resulted again. On the supply side, ordering activity remains limited due to shipyard capacity constraints and continued uncertainty about fuel technologies. Especially after the recent IMF decision to postpone the adoption of its proposed and by remain friendly new routes, ship owners are confused on what type of ships to order. The order book to fleet ratio currently the historical lows, I said before, provides a solid backdrop for the charter rate recovery should demand trend. Although there is a clear industry shift towards alternative use, the pace of transition is likely to be slower than anticipated, constrained by technical challenges, economic consideration and ongoing delays in the IMO's net zero framework. As emission-related measures such as the [indiscernible], CII, UTS and new maritime are fully implemented, apparent supply could tighten further through increased scrapping and slower vessel experience. By 2027, the dry bulk market is expected to enter a balancing phase with new deliveries declining and scrapping activity picking up, leading to a more balanced supply-demand environment. Let's turn to Slide 13. as of November 7, 2025, the 1-year time charter rates for Panamax vessels stood at $15,525 per day, remaining modestly above the 20-year historical median of $13,675 per day. As of the third quarter, the market for 10-year old Panamax bulk areas remains further. In fact, we have seen approximately 10% increase over the lows seen in Q2 which represented the lowest point since mid-'23. Current asset value stands at approximately $26 million, which are well above the historical $15.5 million and the 10-year average of $18 million, underscoring continued resilience in secondhand pricing. These high secondhand vessel values are attributed to the increase in the cost and prices for new vessels, mainly due to the last few years of inflation, the ample liquidity in the market and of course, the expectation for higher rates going forward. However, today's prices still represents a decline of roughly 12% from the mid-2024 peak of about $29.5 million. Having strengthened our balance sheet through the arrangement of new financings for existing vessels and our new building orders and also the disposal of one of our releases we are in a position to continue modernizing our fleet and preparing ourselves for the next [indiscernible], which will, as usually offer suddenly and possibly when least expected. Let me now pass the floor over to our CFO, Tasos Aslidis, to go over our financial highlights in more detail.

Thank you very much, Aristides. Good morning from me as well, ladies and gentlemen. Over the next 4 slides, I will give you an overview of our financial highlights for the third quarter and 9 months of 2025 in comparison to the same period of last year. For that, let's turn to Slide 15. For the third quarter of 2025, we reported net revenue of $14.4 million, representing a 2.2% decrease over total net revenues of $14.7 million during the third quarter of last year, which is primarily the result of the decreased average number of vessels we operated in a relatively lower market compared to the same period of last year. Interest and other financing costs including interest income for the third quarter of 2025, amounted to $1.6 million compared to $1.9 million for the same period of 2024. Interest expense during the third quarter of this year was lower primarily due to the decreased benchmark rates on our loan sale, partly offset by the increased other amount of debt that we carry. Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter of 2025 was $4.1 million compared to $0.5 million achieved during the third quarter of 2024. Basic and diluted loss per share attributable to the controlling shareholders for the third quarter of 2025 was $0.24, calculated on approximately 2.8 million basic and diluted weighted average number of seats outstanding compared to loss per share of $1.53 calculating about the same number of basic and diluted weighted average number of shares of sales for the third quarter of last year. Excluding the effect on the loss attributable to controlling shareholders for the quarter of the unrealized loss on derivatives, the adjusted loss for the third quarter of this year would have been $0.23 per share basic and diluted compared to an adjusted loss of $1.42 per share basic and diluted for the same third quarter of 2024. Let's now look at the numbers for the corresponding 9-month period ended September 30, 2025 and compare them to the same period in the 9 months of 2024. For the first 9 months of 2025, we reported total net revenues of $34.9 million, representing a 25% decrease of a total net revenue of $46.6 million that we said during the first 9 months of 2024. And then again, this is mainly due to the decreased number of vessels we operated and the decreased number of rates that [indiscernible] during the most recent 9 months. Interest and other financing costs for the first 9 months of this year, then including interest income amounted to $5.1 million compared to $6 million for the same period of last year. Again, here the decrease is primarily view the decade underlying intertrade we paid and the decrease -- and offset partly by the increased level of debt we care. Adjusted EBITDA for the first 9 months of 2025 was $5 million compared to $7.6 million during the first month of 2024. Again, excluding the effect on the net loss attributable to the controlling shareholders for the first 9 months of the year of the unrealized loss on derivatives and the net gain on sale of [indiscernible], the adjusted loss for the 9-month period ended September 30, 2025, which have been $3.39 per share basic and diluted compared to adjusted loss of $2.77 per share basic and diluted for the 9 months ended September 30, 2025. Let's move now to Slide 16 to review our fleet performance. We'll start our review by looking at our utilization rate for the third quarter and 9 months year to 2025 in comparison to the same period of last year. During the third quarter of 2025, our commercial utilization rate was 100%, while our operational utilization rate was 99.3% compared to 100% commercial and 98.5% operational in the corresponding period of 2024. On average, we won and operated 12 vessels in the first in the first 3 months -- in the third quarter -- sorry, for 2025, adding an average time charter equivalent rate of $13,232 per day compared to 13 vessels in the same period, the third quarter of 2024, adding another $13,105 per vessel per day. Our total daily operating expense including management fees, general and administrative expenses, but excluding diverson costs, were $7,013 per vessel per day during the third quarter compared to $6,850 per vessel per day for the same period of last year. If we move further down in this table, we can see the cash flow breakeven level, which also take into account in addition to the above expenses of the divestment expenses, interest expenses and loan repayments. But for the third quarter of 2025, our daily cash flow breakeven level was $12,482 per vessel per day compared to $,15,145 per vessel per day for the third quarter of last year. We are doing now the same figures for the 9-month period and comparing to the same period of last year. We've had commercial utilization rate about 99.6% in operational utilization rate at 99.2% for the first 9 months of this year compared to commercial and 98.7% operational for the same period of last year. On average, we operated 12.3 vessels during the first 9 months. And there another rate of $10,210 compared to operating 13 vessels during the same period of last year, earning another $13,339 per vessel per day. Similar analysis further down for our operating expenses. Our operating expenses, including management fees and G&A expenses, but excluding dry docking costs, were $7,285 per vessel per day in the first 9 months of this year compared to $6,927 for the same period of last year until we include on this figure, the interest expense, the loan repayments and the very working expense, our total cash flow break level for the first 9 months of 2025 would be $12,071 as compared to $13,789 per vessel per day for the same period of 2024. Please move to Slide 17 to give you some highlights regarding our debt and our forward cash flow get. As of September 30, 2025, EuroDry debt stood at $97.9 million with an average margin of about 2.05%. Assuming a 3-month soft rate 8% of the cost of our senior debt is approximately 5.9%. The repayment state of our debt, you can see on the top right chart of this slide, we saw total debt repayments of $13.1 million in 2025, $10.3 million of which [indiscernible], $12.2 million repayments in 2026 and [indiscernible] in payments in 2027. Mind you, the last figure includes the beginning of repayments for our 2 -- for the 2 loans, we will assume for our new building Ultramax vessels, which are scheduled for [indiscernible] in the third quarter of 2020. In the bottom of the slide, you can see our cash flow breakeven estimate for the next 12 months, broken down by major components. Our EBITDA breakeven level is approximately $7,600 per vessel per day. And on the top of that, we include interest expenses and loan repayments, schedule paying. Our total cash flow breakeven level for the next 12 months is estimated at around $11,900 per vessel per day. This is a net figure, if we gross staff for commissions and some of our time, our time charter equivalent breakeven rate is just below $13,000 per vessel per day, and we need to reach that grade to achieve both cash flow and profitability basis over the next 12 months. Let's now move to the last slide of my remarks to Slide 18 to give you some highlights of our balances. This slide offers a snapshot of our assets and liabilities and gives a concise picture of our financial position. As of September 30, 2025, cash and other assets in our balance sheet stood at approximately $18.8 million, while we had advances for being amounted to about $7.2 million. In addition, on the asset side, we have the book value of our vessels, which was about $176 million, resulting in total book value of our assets of $202 million. On the liability side, total bank debt, as I mentioned in the previous slide, stood at $97.9 million, which is roughly [indiscernible] of the book value of our assets. We had other liabilities of $5.2 million, representing about 2.6% of our assets. This results in the book value of shareholder equity of almost $9 million, translating into a net book value per share of $31.8. Based on our own estimates, though, the market value of our fleet is higher than the respective book value. We estimate it to be $214 million as compared to $176 million as I mentioned a year, approximately $38 million above the book value, implying the net asset value of our fleet on a per share basis to be net $44. If we compare this to the recent phasing rate of our sales, which is around $13 per share, it becomes evident one more time with a significant potential upside potential for share appreciation, so market conditions improve or other categories call but discount to narrow. And with this statement, I would like to pass the floor back to Aristides to continue our call.

Thank you, Tasos. Let us now open up the floor for any questions you may have.

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from [ Hans Baldow ] with Noble Capital Markets.

The market fundamentals are looking more promising for 2026, and we've seen the rates push up. And I know you mentioned a breakeven rate of 0 -- can you talk about your threshold for shifting from the short-term index-linked exposure and possibly securing some longer-term coverage? Are there specific rates you're looking for?

Yes. We will switch to longer-term coverage if we see numbers between around 16,000, 15, 16, 17, that's the area where we will be concentrating to get some exposure hedged through time charter or FFAs.

Okay. And is that across the board? Or is that an average between the Kamsarmax, Panamax, Supramax?

It's another, let's say, what I just told you. Obviously, our Ultramax Panamx are less. So we might fix something at a little bit lower rate. the younger Kamsarmax and the Supramax and Ultramaxes, they are probably around the same these days.

Okay. All right. And I see the ex arena is looking for employment. Do you have a time line of when you expect that vessel to start up again?

Eirini was sold.

Not, the Ekaterini.

Ekaterini?

Yes.

The Ekaterini was fixed a couple of days ago, so we didn't make it here in the presentation for trip via South America back to the Far East. So about 90 to 100 days at the level which is about $16,500 a day.

We'll update you when it was very freshly [indiscernible].

Okay. Understood. And then my last question is for the near-term debt. I know with the [indiscernible] sale and the refinancing steps, your liquidity improved recently. But you still have the $12.2 million in current debt. Do you have any plans to improve the near-term liquidity?

Yes. Our liquidity has improved significantly because we did a couple of things. We they are not reflected in the numbers for the 9 months, but because they kept what are about to happen. We're refinancing young speed pipes, which will release about $4.5 million. We have sold [indiscernible] will release about $6.5 million, I think, after we paid a couple of million of debt that was there. And we have also -- it's in the press release, a range to finance the predelivery installment payments for our new buildings. One, it has already been paid by the new -- the debt we are in. So I think we have improved significantly our liquidity. The difference by end of the year is plus $15 million after we stated that we took. As you pointed out, in the fourth quarter, the market is improving and should be contributing tour with positive cash flow. So there should be an additional balance generated from our operations. .

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Poe Fratt with Alliance Global Partners.

Just one to follow up on the new build financing. Tasos,did you say that you're going to draw down the first -- one of the new build facilities in the fourth quarter?

Yes. So we've already done that. The second -- these new buildings had the second payment that was to be made this year, for one of them that the payment was due. We already made we already took a loan and the payment was made using that loan. The other payment is still coming up. And we have another loan with a different bank. I think it's in the press release, which will bring you toward that payment as well.

So I'm trying to figure out when you're going to show the incremental debt on the balance sheet because the newbuild payments, as I understand it, call it, 60% of the total cost of the new builds and those aren't due until mid-'27.So can you just sort of give me an idea of what incremental debt looks like in '27 -- '26 and '27, Tasos?

I mean, by the end of -- by the delivery of these vessels, we would have drawn approximately $53 million debt to finance the 2 newbuildings, 26% and 26.9%, I think, in the numbers. So that's by the delivery of the vessels. And as we draw that to finance predelivery installments we'll show it, obviously, in our balance sheet.

Yes. Okay. Just to clarify that. And then can -- Aristides, can you talk about the market a little bit I'm trying to reconcile the one, the sudden increase in rates on the Alexandria and Cristos K in sort of the August, September time frame. And can you just highlight the reasons you think that the rates went from -- and went from [ 6,000 to 28 ], and then Christos went from call it, the low teens to 28? And then can you give me an idea of sort of the rate outlook for both of those into the rest of the fourth quarter and into the early 2026 time frame?

Sure. So the market -- the overall market is slightly improving, as we've shown also by the very indices. However, the indices are comprised of various different voyages. The voyages from the Far East to the Atlantic generally are low-paying voyages. -- the voyages from the Atlantic to the Paris are high-paying voyages. So if you secure a trip like the Catarina, which starts from the Far East goes to South America and returns to the Fast then you will get the average rate, which today is around $16,500 that we fixed. But in the 2 cases that you're talking, we're talking about, the first 2 voyages were positioning voyages to places where you can get higher rates to go back out. And that is why you see those big differences in the earnings. Is it clear?

Yes. I guess the next sort of question would be then they'll have to probably reposition for the rest of the fourth quarter. So we should look at a lower rate for the rest of the quarter. Is that fair, Aristides, on those 2 teams?

I think on average, you should be looking at average charter rates. So the way we run our models at least, we take those assumptions into in account, and we run our models for 3, 6 months or a year or whatever. So we generally use the index to reflect what we think will be happening because it's very difficult to decide exactly how value every ship. But yes, if a vessel is in the Far East is in China, it will have a cost to go to a place where it will be able to command higher freight rate.

It clearly depends on the type of the mix picture. If it's within the Fares will be closer to the other is back and forth of planting, again, what they are go to the Atlantic will be low the lower rate that ties mentioned because then you get a better rate to go to the past. So wherever the cargo falls from the end of the quarter, so taking the average, you probably say that.

Yes. Okay. Fair enough. And then when -- I just want to clarify that the 115% of the BSI. Is that number on Page 8, so that the 4 that you have on the index right now or earning 115% of right now, it looks like $16, 600 in '25. Is that correct?

Yes, you take the BSI index and multiplied it by 1.15 to get what we are paid for these 4 vessels as today.

Okay. And on your chart that shows your employment on page -- I think it's Page 6. You don't have any dry docks on -- through the middle of '26. Will there be any dry docks over the next 9 months? Or could you just highlight what your drydocking schedule might look like in the...

Yes, there is a dry dock of Viena that is going to happen very soon. Other than that, I don't think we have something else within the next 6 months to 9 months. We only have 1 about dry talk within 2026. I can't remember it shifts and it's towards the second half -- for the whole year, there is just one dry dock. We are extending now and 1 in 2026.

Okay. And then typically, I guess, you talked about your fleet renewal business or program, and it was more in the context of lower rates and making that decision of doing a dry dock on a 20-year-old plus asset versus selling it? And can you just highlight when the dry docks might occur on the Starlight and the blessed buck, which you're still 2 of the oldest Panamaxes you have out there. The Santa Cruz was done in the third quarter, so I'm assuming you're going to keep it for a while.

Yes. I say the [indiscernible] in 2027, I think second quarter.

[Operator Instructions] Mr. Pittas, it appears we have no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the floor back over to you for closing comments.

Thank you. We want to thank everybody for participating in today's call, and we will be back to you in the new year with the results of the full year. Thank you.

Thank you, everybody, for attending.

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a wonderful day.