European Wax Center, Inc. (EWCZ) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

December 6, 2022

US Consumer Discretionary Diversified Consumer Services conference_presentation 31 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#1

Good afternoon. Sorry. Happy 4:00 hour. It is my pleasure -- oh, I'm Simeon Gutman, Morgan Stanley's hardline, broadline and food retail analyst. My pleasure to welcome European Wax Center to the Morgan Stanley Global Consumer & Retail Conference. It's another one of these companies that is first time here and first real eligible time to be here in person, so thank you. Represented by David Berg, CEO; and David Willis, COO and CFO. I'm going to read a quick disclosure, take a seat, and we'll get underway. For important disclosures, please see the Morgan Stanley research disclosure website at www.morganstanley.com/researchdisclosures. If you have any questions, please reach out to your Morgan Stanley sales representative. Okay. 33 minutes, I will take over most of the questions. If folks have questions, feel free to just wave your hand, and we'll get the runner to you.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#2

Maybe let's start -- I wrote down consumer demand. But let's -- maybe -- I want to hear because this is the first time you're at this event.

David Berg

executive
#3

Yes.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#4

Not a new company. People know what Wax Center is all about. But can you talk about maybe what's misunderstood or what's underappreciated in the market, your perception based on the last 1.5 years or so of interaction then?

David Berg

executive
#5

Sure. And Simeon, thank you for having us. We're delighted to be here. I think we IPO-ed in August of 2021. And even at that time, we kind of said, "Hey, where do we land, right?" We're franchise concepts, we're 99% franchise. So there are some elements of franchising and restaurants. And then there is a membership aspect to our business with something we call a Wax Pass, which is more akin into a Planet Fitness. So we had discussions about how do we present ourselves. In a way, there's a little bit of this tweener notion. So I think that perception, Simeon, is still out there about kind of exactly where do we land. I think we've hopefully done a good job. And in the next 32 minutes, maybe we can do a better job of saying, really, we're much more around a membership-light type of model that has a very recurring, predictable revenue model. We have tremendous stickiness and loyalty with our guests. And for those of you in the room that don't know, very simply, what we do is we remove hair from your body in an out-of-home waxing center. We have over 900 centers we call our store centers in the U.S. across the country and incredibly loyal guests to European Wax Center. And we have something that's called a Wax Pass. And the Wax Pass is really an economical bundle for our guests to come in and pay for 9 services and get the benefit of having 11 or 12 services. Twice a year, we offer 12 for the price of 9. And that guest, our top quintile of guests, kind of to move into the question about the consumer, Simeon, was the top quintile of guests is incredibly loyal and predictable, comes and visits us 10 times a year, spends over $500 a year with us. We know spends more money on retail products that we attach and refers us to more friends, which is one of the top ways that we drive new guests in the system. So long winded set up to say, I think if there was a misunderstanding, what we're trying to really make sure people understand that this is a recurring nondiscretionary service that we offer to our guests across the country.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#6

So let's connect that back to the first question, which is softening consumer discretionary spending, wide range of outlooks for '23. And we're not talking about '23 per se. Are you seeing anything -- what -- we've talked about good or bad and behavior of your customer, high versus lower income or top or bottom tiers behaving different?

David Berg

executive
#7

Yes. I think the answer is yes. I think we have seen some difference in our top decile versus our bottom decile. And we talked about this in our Q3 announcement that if you take sort of our top 4 deciles, so 80% of our guests, their behavior over the last 3 quarters has been consistent. In fact, our top decile guest is actually coming more often and spending more money with us over the last 2 quarters. So that's really good news for us. And that top 20% of our guest accounts for over 55% of our revenue. So we really ring-fence kind of that best guest that, that revenue is protected. Where we saw some softness at the end of Q2 and Q3, and we spoke to this in our earnings announcement, was it that episodic guest, that guest that doesn't have a Wax Pass that maybe comes in 3 or 4 or 5 times a year. She was spending more time in between each visit. So instead of coming every 40 days, she was coming every 47 or 48 days. I use a female pronoun here because 95% of our guests are female today. So that's been the difference. A reminder to the audience that our typical guest is -- skews at a higher household income, so north of $100,000, skews a little bit more suburban and is a little bit older. It's kind of that 38- to 41-year-old demographic. So probably a little bit more immune to some of the inflationary pressures that we've been feeling. But that lower-income episodic guests, we did see a little bit of softening in terms of the time between visits.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#8

Apologies if this was implied, the episodic guess is what portion of sales?

David Berg

executive
#9

Less than 10% of our sales.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#10

Right. Got it. Okay. On the TAM, out-of-home waxing, where does your penetration sit today? Where does it go over time? And then we'll talk about the competitive set.

David Berg

executive
#11

Okay. So the addressable market here in the U.S. for all sort of hair removal, that's shaving, laser, sugaring, waxing, is about $18 billion. Within our space, the out-of-home waxing category, that accounts for about $6.5 billion of that. If you think about where we are in terms of our revenue, we're still a small player. Even though we're the absolute undisputed leader, we're 7x bigger than our next biggest competitor from a unit count standpoint and over 10x bigger from a system-wide sales standpoint. The CAGR, the growth for our category, out-of-home maxing is growing at 2.5x the other modalities. So we kind of like where we're positioned as a leader in that category in the modality that's growing faster than the other hair removal options. And I think if you want me to go into competition, I'm happy to do that. I'll sort of...

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#12

Yes. I know. And layer that, who is your best competitor? And do they have any scale?

David Berg

executive
#13

Yes. So the competitive set is quite interesting. There are a handful of regional out-of-home waxing stores or shops, the biggest of which is called waxing the city. They have about 150 centers. We're over 900, and there are a couple of other regional players that have 40 or 50 centers. The vast majority of our competitor set is highly fragmented, about 10,000 mom-and-pop out-of-home hair removal waxing salons. There are also ancillary services and some of the high-end day spas that would offer waxing. But our largest competitor set is really those independently owned salons, so highly fragmented market. Again, we feel great about the efficacy, the time efficiency that you get at European Wax Center, the amount of time that we spend training, the consistency across our entire network position in a market that's highly fragmented, and it's our opportunity to continue to take market share.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#14

I want to jump to the franchise model for a minute. It seems like the European Wax is a best-in-class model and you're doing it with others executing the plan. So one, how do you maintain that level of differentiation on consistency in a, whatever, an intimate type of service that you're providing?

David Berg

executive
#15

I think this really goes back to the beginning of the brand, right, and to the founders' credit. They really -- they focused on 3 things that were -- that have been with us for the past 20 years. First was hygiene. And I think today, that's become, certainly post COVID, that's been a condition precedent, really table stakes. But it's been part of our brand ethos from the get-go. In fact, when they created the brand in the early 2000s, they saw the opportunity because the out-of-home waxing at the time was really relegated to the back of the house of salons, not very hygienic. The estheticians probably weren't trained or licensed, which is the second element, a huge focus on training to ensure consistency across all of our centers. It's always been at the forefront of European Wax Center's brand value proposition. So every esthetician that works for European Wax Center has to be licensed in the state in which they operate, but they then go through our certification program. And until they go through that and pass that certification program, they won't be able to deliver a service to a guest. And then the third element is just the overall 360-degree guest experience, a real focus on making sure, one of our values is that we delight our guests. To make sure that we are enhancing our guest lives, we talk about a guest walking in and strutting out and having confidence after getting our service. Our NPS scores are near 80 across the network from an average standpoint. So those are the things, I think, from an operational standpoint that do differentiate us.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#16

And the pipeline from IPO until today, our perception is that the interest is massive, and the economics are great. How has the interest rate environment changed, if anything, the demand or potential pipeline for interested franchisees?

David Berg

executive
#17

Yes. D.W., you want to?

David Willis

executive
#18

It really hasn't is the short answer. Most of our franchisees are very well capitalized. We've talked before about over the last couple of years, we've had a keen amount of interest from institutional shareholders that want to partner with our existing operators. Those folks that have entered the system have been very active from both an acquisition and a development perspective. And this interest rate environment really has not influenced or tempered their demand to open more centers or require -- expand their footprint. So up to this point, we've been very pleased. The visibility in our pipeline, over 90% of all new centers are coming from our existing franchisee base. So we're really pleased that our existing franchisees want to expand their footprint with us. We talk a lot about kind of the institutional capital-backed players, the multiunit developers because they're really the ones that are making commitments to develop bigger headline numbers, but we're equally interested in the mom-and-pop franchisees. They might own 3 or 4 centers today. They continue to want to build another 2 or 3 centers with us. So we're quite pleased with the demand we've seen on the license pipeline.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#19

Okay. Something -- jumping back to competition for a minute. There is that independent channel. It's -- you mentioned the size of your business and how big the industry is. I guess there's a little bit of a blind spot because of the data that is available and the type of competitors. We know that there is hotel and lodging doing the service. There's probably nail salons, as you mentioned, that are doing this. It's the invisible capacity that creates maybe some uncertainty. You've been around this business for -- I'll mess up the number of years.

David Berg

executive
#20

4 plus.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#21

Okay, 4 plus. What have you learned about that invisible capacity that we don't appreciate?

David Berg

executive
#22

Yes, I think there's -- the -- that's why we talk about independent salons, and that's probably a broader -- it includes that invisible capacity, Simeon, that you're talking about. I think there's a couple of data points. We knew -- we commissioned the study before IPO, kind of a state of the union on what was going on with the competitive set. And they opine that 5% to 10% of those folks would not make it through COVID. We saw evidence of that in 2021 as 1 in 5 of our new guests that came to us, and we had a 30% increase in new guests in 2021, 1 in 5 of those was coming from the competitive set. So we feel good about, again, our space in that category that's growing the fastest as the undisputed leader that we can continue to take market share from those folks, either -- as they don't meet the standards that we have and simply can't compete. I mean there are some other inherent scale advantages that we have. We take a 3% marketing fee from our franchisees, and we spend all that money. That's an EBITDA-neutral intake for us. That kind of marketing power and capacity is not had by our competitor set. We have a proprietary wax mix that you can only get it at European Wax Center. We have proprietary retail products that are actually clinically proven to help with -- to retard hair growth, that our competitor set doesn't have. So we feel like those -- and investments we've made in technology around the guest experience that, that mom-and-pop competitor just can't make.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#23

Okay. One more on macro. Inflation or hyperinflation, is the business priced for it, both from an input cost, labor cost and then the pricing at the end market that -- or to the customer that you've done?

David Berg

executive
#24

Yes. So we -- historically, probably when the founders ran the business, there was more of an ad hoc price taking. Since 2018, we've been more deliberate and scientific about our pricing, engaging in elasticity studies. So we took price in 2021, and we took that across all of our services. In 2022, we took price against particular body part services that candidly are quite inelastic. So the bikini services and Brazilian services are our #1 and #2 SKUs. And I think using that methodology, we take a look at -- we have assumptions on is there going to be a degradation in terms of number of services that we provide. We take a backward look to see if that was the case. And in both instances, where we've taken price, we haven't seen any kind of decline in ticket attrition. I think as we look forward, we haven't guided at all in 2023 about taking price. We do think that's something in our arsenal that we could pull if we needed to. And Simeon, given our leadership position, we see within 60 to 90 days that competition comes along in terms of our price leadership and follows.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#25

So I infer then that the market hasn't moved past you in terms of price.

David Berg

executive
#26

It has not. I think we will probably be marginally higher than the mom-and-pops. We will be lower than certainly the day spas, but we like to think about an amazing experience at a fair price that really, again, came out of the founders that was part of what their brand promise was.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#27

With Wax Pass, you introduced a couple of smaller versions this year to drive frequency. I think it was a 4 for 3?

David Berg

executive
#28

Yes.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#29

How is the uptake? And what's the stickiness of these customers?

David Berg

executive
#30

Yes. So we announced in Q3 that go back to that bottom quintile of guests, that episodic guest that was spending more time in between visits. We thought there was an opportunity for us to deliver a package to a more cost-conscious guest. And one of the things, having been in franchising a long time is that you don't want to introduce something new to the network. So we've always offered that 4 for 3 or 3 plus 1 as we call it, so buy 3 and get 4 services. That had always been an offer that we had in the network, but it was only offered to college students. So you think about probably the most cost-conscious consumer that we have. We just opened that up to a broader set of consumers. We were very pleased with the uptake that we got on it. But we looked at that with, really, a lifetime value mindset. It wasn't just let's go offer 3 plus 1 for 6 weeks to drive transactions. We really thought that this was an opportunity to introduce that cost-conscious guest into the brand. We now have those names of folks. We have a retargeting CRM effort going back to them, thanking them for their 3 plus 1 purchase and offering them the 9 plus 3 Wax Pass, plus an additional benefit with rewards points to get them on that more induced drug, which gets them stickier with that 9 plus 3. So that was kind of the lifetime value. The second thing we did for the cost-conscious guest was we drive average ticket in a couple of ways, and this is our buy-more stool -- leg of the stool. And that's -- you can attach more retail products, so make sure that you buy a retail product or have additional services. So we put an offer out in the fall that said, if you add a new service, so if you come in and just do your legs, if you added your underarms, you would get that for 50% off. Again, as with the 3 plus 1 guest, we're retargeting that guest that took that 50% off and offering them a Wax Pass with some additional incentive that get it for that body part.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#31

Okay. 95% of the customer base, female.

David Berg

executive
#32

Yes.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#33

The 5%, have you seen an inflection in that? Or it's been fast growing because it's a small base and it continues to?

David Berg

executive
#34

Yes. So we've seen a nice lift in our male, but it's kind of going from pimple on a pumpkin to just slightly larger, right? So we've been pleased with the uptake that we've seen from a male guest perspective. We still think we've got opportunity there. We took a good portion of 2022 to ensure that, that service delivery to males was executable across all of our centers. So every service that we'll do for females is now -- it's ubiquitous. We'll do it for any gender. And that -- we had to make sure that, that training was rolled out appropriately. That's done. We now have the opportunity to do more of that targeted marketing to get that male guest into our segment. And they make up $2.5 billion to $3 billion of that TAM. So it's a significant opportunity for us.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#35

In terms of market development and then subsequently future unit growth, what have you learned from your most mature or productive markets that we can extrapolate to less mature markets?

David Berg

executive
#36

Sure. David?

David Willis

executive
#37

What -- say, what we've found, Simeon, in the last couple of years of cohorts that have performed, on average, better than a little bit faster maturation ramp than what we've seen historically, couple of common themes there. One, franchisees are spending a bit more money to build awareness in their guest file before they open their centers, and they're doing a great job of reaching out and building the guest file. So the day they open, they have some appointments already booked. The other thing that we've seen is franchisees are kind of hiring ahead of the curve. So instead of opening with 3 or 4 waxers on the payroll, they're opening with 6 or 7 waxers on the payroll. That allows them to accommodate walk-in traffic. So those are the 2 common threads that we've seen over the last couple of years. I think kind of the third is there's just better awareness of the playbook that's working with the folks that are opening centers over the last couple of years. David touched on, I think, we've had our annual conference a few weeks ago, first in-person conference in a couple of years. We use those as opportunities to put our best and brightest operators on stage and kind of tell what worked for them. We, as the franchisor can say till we're blue in the face, here's the playbook, here's the playbook. But if we put a franchisee on stage and they're the one saying, here's the playbook that corporate came up with. I followed it and here's the results I've seen. So we're also trying to really elevate those franchisees that have had very solid center openings with a lot of momentum share their best practices with the network.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#38

Unit economics for franchisees and then one step further, then the economics back to the company. Can you frame it, just high level?

David Willis

executive
#39

Sure. In terms of opening a European Wax Center, think of these, for those not as familiar with the model, 1,300 square foot box, quite simple, a 6-wax suite configuration. On average, it costs our franchisees about $350,000 to open that box. In year 1, a franchisee can expect to generate $450,000 to $500,000 in revenue. At the 4-wall, our franchisees are breakeven very early on average into year 2, and then they follow that predictable maturation curve. So what we call at-maturity, those centers are averaging just under $1.1 million and 22% 4-wall EBITDA. That's the average across the system. Our top quintile guys, top quartile centers are averaging about $1.6 million and 28% plus 4-wall margin. That model, these centers are actually more profitable -- slightly more profitable in the first and second quarter of 2022 than they were pre-COVID. So our franchisees have been able to maintain margins which, in turn, we feel confident is driving the interest to reinvest and further develop the brand.

David Berg

executive
#40

Okay. And I guess that include the current macro environment, that meaning the recent openings in the last year or so.

David Willis

executive
#41

That's exactly right.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#42

Okay. Talking about the waxers, labor, both in terms of tightening in labor pool and then making it more expensive. That seems to have eased. What's the relative difficulty or ease in hiring waxers at this point? And how does it compare to COVID time?

David Willis

executive
#43

So we spent probably the first 3 or 4 calls after we went public, hyper-focused on recruitment, recruitment, recruitment. As you may recall, our California centers were the last centers in our system to reopen. They started reopening their centers, our franchisees in the first quarter of 2021. They were closed so long as a result of COVID restrictions that literally, we had over 140 centers that had its staff waxers from the ground up. So instead of having to fill in with 5 or 6 waxers, they literally had to go hire 10 to 12 waxers a piece. We learned a lot, helping the franchisees. We've always designed programs. Our industry relations team has always designed programs to help our franchisees develop relationships, drive awareness within their local beauty schools. We had to improvise a bit as a result of the vast hiring needs that we had. So we spent our first 3 or 4 quarterly calls talking about recruitment. It was really second quarter of this year that we were able to turn more of our attention to retention and leveling up of our waxes. For those that don't know, we have different levels of waxers that we grade them, which really drives the proficiency. Red level waxers are most proficient waxers. They can do any service in our lineup inside of a 15-minute window. That enables our franchisees to really maximize revenue per wax suite hour. So we've been able, for the last couple of quarters, to spend more time and effort focusing on how to most efficiently use the waxers that we have on our franchisees' payrolls and how to level them up. If you were to pull the average franchisee, they would say, "I'm probably on waxer short from where I was pre-COVID." They still have an opportunity to drive more red level waxers and orange level waxers, which is more proficient in services.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#44

I think a lot of the companies here, and you don't have to comment but expect some easing of wage pressure into '23. That's fair. And then directionally, has that been a big cost pressure in your P&L or in the franchisees' P&L?

David Berg

executive
#45

I mean it's the biggest piece of their P&L, Simeon, right? So it's about --40% of the 4-wall P&L for franchisee is labor. As the franchisor, we don't set sort of compensation rates. We discuss and suggest. But we -- that 40% pre-pandemic is the same as it is now. So the franchisees have adjusted and our franchisees are actually more profitable now than they were in 2019. So they've adapted to that. If you think about how a waxer gets paid, they get paid a base salary, they get paid a bonus based upon services that they provide, multiple services and retail product attachment and then they get tips. And they typically make $25 to $35 an hour. We have waxers that make $70,000, $80,000 a year. So that hasn't -- we haven't seen that wage pressure impact the 4-wall EBITDA of our franchisees.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#46

I'm going to ask about the wax. I just want to see if anyone has questions, feel free to wave your hand and we'll get to you. We do? Please. We have a mic runner, we'll go to that question. Right here.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#47

Just a question on your name, European Wax Center. I'm just wondering what's your international ambition? Any chance you get actually into Europe?

David Berg

executive
#48

Yes. So the name came out of the founders. The wax comes from Europe. So we have a Spanish and French provider. That's where the wax came from. It's our unique recipe. Franchisees have to buy from us. It's our Comfort Wax. We've talked about international expansion as something that we've -- we're doing some leg work on right now. I can assure the group that we would do that in an asset-light model. We do it via franchising model. I think there's very little appetite for us to put capital to work to deploy internationally. But no pun intended, we certainly think this brand has got legs outside of the U.S.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#49

Go back to -- oh, I was going to ask about the wax. There was some freight pressure bringing it in. Also, I didn't have a chance for you to showcase how proprietary and special is the purple wax, but maybe we'll talk about both. The input cost of moving it in and how that could subside or what kind of headwind that looked like this year and then how differentiated are the waxes.

David Willis

executive
#50

Yes. The 2 primary ingredients in our proprietary formula are natural bees relaxing gum [ resin ]. We've really not seen those -- our manufacturers have really not seen those input costs for the grades that they put into our wax rise significantly. We spent more time talking about international freight rates and so many other public companies that have talked about freight. We import on certain lanes from France and Spain. Those rates peaked in the second quarter of this year. They started stabilizing a bit in the third quarter, but they have not fallen back down anywhere close to pre-COVID levels. We had guided within second half of this year that we were going to shoulder some of those higher freight rates. Last year, we passed on an international freight surcharge as we started seeing rates creep up. We pass it on to our network, but we thought as good partners in this we decided that shouldering these higher rates in the back half of this year was the right thing to do. We will continue to evaluate it. If we feel very confident that we're well positioned, a, that there's enough between our different manufacturers of wax, we've got a nice balance. So if one group wants to raise prices, we can swing mix back-and-forth to the others. We're qualifying a third group out of Asia to manufacture our wax. So we feel like there's healthy tension in our suppliers that we can manage our exposure there. If freight doesn't continue to fall, then we can certainly revisit passing on freight rate -- the higher freight rates to our network. Our goal is not to do that, but they are -- fortunately, their 4 walls are in a position that they could absorb a slightly higher cost without dramatically impacting their respective P&Ls.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#51

I'm going to transition to leverage, financial leverage. What do you think the business can support? What do you do with cash besides grow? I'll leave it at those 2 to start.

David Willis

executive
#52

So we are very confident the business can support 5 to 6x leverage. As we see here today, on net leverage basis, we're just over 5. We would envision, through our normal EBITDA growth, we'll continue to delever. This whole business securitization that we put in place in the second quarter, we think just provides optionality. As we grow the business, we delever the balance sheet. We have the option to go back and relever back up. Obviously, Simeon, the market saw that our Board declared a special dividend with the excess proceeds raised from the whole business securitization in the second quarter of this year. If we go back to the well, so to speak, in 18 to 24 months, then we'll work with the Board to evaluate what is the best measure to either reinvest excess proceeds to accelerate growth or return that capital to shareholders.

David Berg

executive
#53

Yes. I should just remind the audience that the debt that we have is 5.5% fixed rate for 5 years. That's what we put in place in the whole business securitization. So we feel very comfortable with our sort of our EBITDA growth projections in our leverage.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#54

Going back to something we talked about in the beginning, the consumer. Is there enough good data on this business in the last downturn to see what happens? I mean you have lasering, but that should be a trade out. That should be a benefit. This is more value seeking. I suppose it could be -- the in-home waxing could take its place. But what can you share about how the business performed through a different cycle?

David Berg

executive
#55

Do You want to take that?

David Willis

executive
#56

Yes, I wish on we could say this is a great data set. So we were 7 centers in the system in -- as we went into the last recession in 2008. And they were young centers. They were 3-year old centers. So they were still ramping. So I can tell you factually, the entire system comped up 30% in 2009 and 30% in 2010. It's a bit artificial because they were young centers still growing through their maturation curve. So the brand simply hasn't been around since we've had 4-decade high inflation. And as David touched on earlier, with 80% of our guests file visiting just as much, spending just as much if not more, we're feeling as confident as you can. It would be crazy not to say that we're not monitoring activity.

David Berg

executive
#57

And I think, not a perfect analog, but as we came out of COVID, we saw that pent-up demand from when you couldn't come to -- and get waxed for 6, 8, 12 weeks, that rush back into our centers, which we expected. But the good news was, then 4 weeks later and 8 weeks later and 12 weeks later, the guests got back on that regular regimen and really did make it part of their nondiscretionary recurring beauty care, and we expect that'll be the same through a recession. We had an interesting discussion this morning, maybe some of the folks who are in the room, but don't you just kind of want this recession to happen so you can get through it and show people how strong our model is. And candidly, we do and we're just going to continue to focus and deliver on what we're doing.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#58

So just take 30, maybe split the difference between 30 and 0. And...

David Willis

executive
#59

Yes, we would love that.

David Berg

executive
#60

We'd take 15.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#61

One more call to the audience. Otherwise, we will end it. Thank you very much for your participation.

David Berg

executive
#62

All right, Simeon. Thank you for having us.

Simeon Gutman

analyst
#63

Happy holidays, and congratulations on your success.

David Willis

executive
#64

Thank you.

David Berg

executive
#65

Thank you, everybody for taking the time. Thank you.

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