Evoke Pharma, Inc. (EVOK) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
June 22, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Yale Jen
analystGood morning. My name is I-Eh Jen, Senior Biotech Analyst of Laidlaw & Company. We appreciate your attending our fireside chat this morning to discuss the Real-World GIMOTI benefits over Oral Metoclopramide from the recent DDW, Digest Disease Week meeting presentations. We will also have additional discussions of other relevant issues in treating gastroparesis with author, Dr. David Kunkel. Overall, we believe this is the first major academic analysis, providing a tangible and quantifiable benefits of GIMOTI. Let me begin first that we are very honored to have Dr. David C. Kunkel from UC San Diego to provide his analysis and discussion with us. He is an associate clinical professor of Medicine and the Board certified and practicing gastroenterologist specializing in the diagnosis and the treatment of gastrointestinal motility disorders, such as GERD, gastroparesis, bloating and other disorders. He is a member of the American Neurogastroenterology and Motility Society and was a recipient of the Training Award through award in motility in 2013. He also is a member of the American Gastroenterological Association and the American College of Gastroenterology. Dr. Kunkel also has conducted researchers in various gastroenterological disorders such as gastroparesis, short bowel syndrome, and he has been published for more than -- with more than 30 articles in peer review journals. Welcome, and thank you, Dr Kunkel. First, could you provide more information about yourself, if I have missed anything during the introduction. And also, could you give us some information about your MetroPractice, such as average number of gastroparesis patients you have treated per week or maybe per month and how frequent if you need to prescribe GIMOTI. Thank you.
David Kunkel
attendeeThank you, Yale, and good morning. I am based at the University of California, San Diego, as you mentioned. I'm a gastroenterologists who subspecialize in motility disorders, and we have a tertiary referral motility practice. Every single patient I see has a motility or movement disorder in the gut. Gastroparesis, of course, features prominently in that group. Gastroparesis refers to patients where the movement of food from the stomach is slow or impaired giving rise to a number of symptoms. We have a huge catchment area here in Southern California, extending well beyond San Diego County to Imperial County Riverside, Northern Mexico as well. And our practice has a significant proportion of medical tourism. So I'm seeing folks from all throughout the country. With COVID, we've seen a telehealth boom. So anyone in California, anyone in Arizona now can request an appointment with me and can have that without needing to present in person. So I see a lot of gastroparetic patients every week. I'm seeing at least 10 new patients per week, and I've written multiple prescriptions for GIMOTI.
Yale Jen
analystOkay. Great. As I thought, I would like you first to provide us a brief summary of your oral presentation at the DDW meeting and of the reduction of the Real-World Healthcare Resource Utilization or HCRU for the diabetic gastroparesis patient treated with oral versus the intranasal metoclopramide. And afterwards, I will have some questions, and they can be categorized into 2 groups. The first is related to the presentation and the second will be much more broadly in terms of gastroparesis in the use of GIMOTI, and please go ahead for the DDW presentations.
David Kunkel
attendeeAbsolutely. So I'm really pleased to share this presentation with you and our audience today. And to give some background, I'm a reviewer for DDW myself. And so, this presentation made it not only through our section of gastroparesis, but it was elevated multiple runs above our section, meaning people gastroenterologists who don't treat gastroparesis, reviewed this data and said, this is so important that it was selected for plenary presentation, meaning it was designated one of the most important abstracts in the prior year. And in the area of clinical practice, so gastroenterologists to treat patients, not necessarily basic science translational science, but on the front lines. So this research was presented in the abstract in the oral plenary session dedicated to the most impactful clinical practice abstracts. So it was right there with the latest on colon cancer and inflammatory bowel disease. So that really reflects the importance that was recognized by multiple layers of reviewers extending beyond the motility in gastroparesis space. So I'm excited to talk about it. And really, this is about the significance of metoclopramide administration...
Yale Jen
analystI think the signal is...
David Kunkel
attendeeTypically comparing the nasal delivery route, which is what GIMOTI offers versus Oral Metoclopramide. My disclosures are listed here. I receive support from Evoke Pharma, the developer of GIMOTI. So diabetic gastroparesis is a chronic stomach disorder characterized by delayed gastric emptying and it leads to cardinal symptoms, including nausea, vomiting, feeling full quickly, what we call early satiation bloating and abdominal pain, which can be severe. In 2022, the prevalence of gastroparesis was $267 per 100,000 U.S. adults with diabetes constituting the most common cause. The symptoms of diabetic gastroparesis not only impact the quality of life for affected individuals, but also lead to poorly controlled diabetes which increases the risk of mortality. To manage these symptoms, patients typically follow dietary restrictions, use antiemetics, which are medicines that reduce nausea and vomiting and undergo treatment with the only FDA-approved medication metoclopramide or resort to surgery and implantation of stimulator devices, for example. However, most patients with gastroparesis have expressed dissatisfaction with the available treatment options. And I would say this is mirrored by physicians and health care providers as well. The economic impact of diabetic gastroparesis is substantial with patients experiencing 3x greater emergency department costs, 3x greater inpatient admission cost to the hospital and twice the outpatient cost compared to non-gastroparesis patients. In the middle of COVID, the summer of 2020, GIMOTI was FDA-approved, and it was the first non-oral outpatient treatment for patients with diabetic gastroparesis. It had to go through bioequivalence testing to oral metoclopramide Phase III, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial and GIMOTI patients experienced significant reduction in their symptoms compared to a placebo group. What's so powerful with GIMOTI, which is going to be abbreviated as MCP on these slides for nasal metoclopramide is what I refer to as the GIMOTI jump, it becomes active, present in the bloodstream within minutes. So keep the GIMOTI jump in mind as we go through this data. That's its advantage over oral nasal metoclopramide provide. So after it became FDA approved, then immediately, it becomes possible to assess the so-called real-world impact that it's had. And so our research objective is to compare the frequency of physician office, outpatient facility, emergency department and inpatient admissions for patients with diabetic gastroparesis who were treated with nasal metoclopramide versus those with oral metoclopramide. By understanding the differences in Healthcare Resource Utilization between these 2 treatment options, we aim to provide insights into their effectiveness and potential impact on patient outcomes and healthcare costs. So that is what we set out to do. Now how can you go about answering that question? Well, we retrospectively identify GIMOTI patients by linking specialty pharmacy data to the Symphony Integrated Dataverse via data app. We included oral Metoclopramide patients who had diabetic gastroparesis and who initiated treatment between June 2020, which is when nasal metoclopramide GIMOTI was approved in December 31, 2021, and were adults. Importantly, patients needed to have a minimum of 6 months data before and after what we call continuous capture. So we needed to have a full data set. We used this validated technique called propensity score matching to match oral metoclopramide patients to demote patients based on age, sex, region, Charleston Comorbidity Score, how sick someone is and any 6-month hospitalization or emergency department visit pre-index. Then we compared mean all-cause visits and also separately diabetic gastroparesis and symptom-related visits for physician office, hospital outpatient, inpatient hospitalization and emergency department between these 2 cohorts for the 6 months following treatment initiation of oral metoclopramide or nasal metoclopramide. And then we carried out a statistical analysis, which I will spare you from going into unless we've got any statisticians on the line. So this is what it looks like. You can see millions of people, millions of oral metoclopramide, and we winnowed that down to 257 that matched the nasal metoclopramide patients. That's what this slide is detailing, matched in what sense, how sick they were, age, insurance, how often they were visiting the emergency department, hospital and their doctor in the 6 months leading up to their -- the comparison point. And so, we propensity score matched the patients on 1 to 1. We wanted to ensure that we captured complete follow-up on these patients. So red dots, our pre propensity score matching and blue-green dots is our post propensity score matching. So I'm going to make this really easy. Red dots are bad, and we want everything to be blue-green, then that means you're matched. So from those $2.9 million, winnowing them down to the 257 that looked just like the nasal metoclopramide patients. That's what this slide is demonstrating. So, after we go through propensity score matching, then we can take a look and see, all right, how did the GIMOTI patients compared to the oral metoclopramide patients. And these 2 groups should be quite similar if the propensity score matching has worked out. And you can see they absolutely are. So here are the clinical characteristics of these 2 cohorts. After matching the average age of patients was 53 years. 77% were women and over 60% were commercially insured. Exactly what we would think about in terms of the demographics that we see for patients who have diabetic gastroparesis in the U.S. This is predominantly a female population. And these are folks who are in their fifth decade of life on average. So once we've done that, now we can then see, well, how did things turn out over the 6 months afterwards, specifically with an eye towards patient outcomes and health care resource utilization for this very expensive condition of diabetic gastroparesis. So this is a really important slide and the green here is the GIMOTI or nasal -- excuse me, I have that backward. So the green is our oral metoclopramide patients and then the light blue is the GIMOTI, or nasal metoclopramide patients. This slide is showing that we found that patients treated with GIMOTI experienced a significant reduction in visits and hospitalizations across 3 key health care settings, office visits, trips to the emergency department and the most expensive thing on the planet inpatient hospitalizations. So just in the 6 months following this separation between nasal metoclopramide and oral metoclopramide, patients had an average of 0.68 outpatient visits compared to 1.1 visits for the oral metoclopramide cohort. And so if we do some math, this translates into a reduction in physician office visits of 99 fewer visits for these 257 patients in 6 months. Furthermore, this translates into 84 fewer emergency department visits, 34 fewer inpatient hospital admissions over the same 6-month period. No doubt, this is the data that led to this presentation being elevated to oral plenary at DDW. Now this slide shows all-cause health care resource utilization. So if we look beyond just diabetic gastroparesis, any type of health care visit, was there a reduction? And so this encompasses the full range of situations from COVID-19 infections, which were ranging at that time, broken bones. And sure enough, we found a significant reduction in physician office and emergency department visits, among them GIMOTI cohort. And so this would have led to 124 fewer physician office visits, 55 fewer outpatient facility visits, 37 fewer hospitalizations and 167 fewer emergency department visits for any cause comparing the GIMOTI cohort versus the oral metoclopramide cohort. In terms of diabetic gastroparesis related healthcare resource utilization, the difference in absolute rates of resource utilization led to a 36% reduction in the likelihood of visiting a physician's office, a 68% reduction in the likelihood of being admitted to the hospital and a 60% reduction in the likelihood of receiving care in the emergency room for patients treated with GIMOTI. These reductions were observed over a 6-month period. These are what we call incidence rate ratios. So to put this all together, to wrap this up, our large retrospective cohort study demonstrates that patients who receive nasal metoclopramide experience significantly reduced health care resource utilization in the 6 months following treatment initiation. This finding translates into a substantial decrease in the burden of illness for both patients and providers by avoiding a significant number of visits across outpatient emergency room and inpatient settings. We hypothesized that this improvement is likely due to better control of diabetic gastroparesis vis-a-vis the GIMOTI jump. However, further research is, of course, needed to validate this hypothesis. As with any retrospective study, selection bias is possible when you're applying inclusion, exclusion criteria in a retrospective manner, you can always be vulnerable to confounding the propensity scoring though this validated methodologic approach mitigates potential bias and the impact of confounding factors in our analysis. And so I'm going to pause here and Yale, I'll be happy to go through some questions with you. Thank you for your attention.
Yale Jen
analystGreat. Thanks. And that's a very impressive outcome. And again, as I mentioned earlier, these are very tangible and quantifiable attributes or differences, which is very important, I guess, in physicians' mind when they make the decisions of prescription. So let me start with probably 2 questions regarding your presentation. The first one is, as your DDW presentation illustrate the benefits of intranasal versus the oral metoclopramide is based on aggregate of patients, so, could you give us some yours or maybe your colleagues experience, when you prescribe these 2 type of therapy at the individual patient level and what have you observed a subsequent sort of impact reaction and maybe I have another follow-up after this.
David Kunkel
attendeeAbsolutely. One of the most disputing things a patient can tell you who as gastroparesis is, they were feeling nauseous. They were feeling bloated. They were on the verge of vomiting. So they took their metoclopramide. And then they vomited and they saw the pill in their emesis or material they vomited. That's extremely sole crushing because that pill is of no use once it's been vomited out. It's never had a chance to make it past that morass that is the stomach and get into the intestine where it gets absorbed and then becomes active. So in this space, we've all had our patients report that experience if they have volume. So what I like hearing from patients where I asked them how things are going on GIMOTI, the feedback, of course, that I think resonates most is that it was more convenient and more effective than oral metoclopramide, because they knew they weren't going to vomit it back up, and they started feeling better within minutes because that's how quickly the drug gets absorbed. So that's the kind of feedback I'm listening for. And that is -- makes all the difference for a patient not to worry about vomiting back the medicine that's supposed to help them feel better.
Yale Jen
analystOkay. Great. That is very helpful. Maybe I'm going to drill down a little bit more specifically as one of your -- actually, our first data slides suggest that the 2 symptoms, which is nausea and vomiting, which you highlighted. So I just want to get a little bit more color in terms of these 2, why these 2 was something you've been choosing for your presentation? And are those symptoms have the greatest impact on gastroparesis patients, then maybe I have another one in terms of the abdominal pain. And if you want to also elaborate more on that.
David Kunkel
attendeeSo nausea is the most common symptom in gastroparesis. In fact, if someone does not have nausea, I almost question the diagnosis. We know from Henry Parkman and the Gastroparesis Consortium, that of every symptom is the keystone symptom really at the heart of gastroparesis. So when we're talking about symptoms that we want to improve, then obviously, we want to be addressing public enemy #1. It goes without saying, if you improve nausea and vomiting, you're going to have a significant impact on quality of life for these patients. Abdominal pain is a difficult symptom to manage because it's complex, multifactorial, the nature of pain perception, and I would say the pain piece often requires a multimodal approach. But yes, absolutely, I'm happy to dive deeper into that yield.
Yale Jen
analystOkay. And maybe just one follow-up on this one is, once the vomiting and the nausea as well as abdominal pain was alleviated, would patients feel most appreciative of this level of relief? Was that the general experience you've seen from gastroparesis patients?
David Kunkel
attendeeShort answer is yes. If there's one symptom that I can improve, it is the nausea and vomiting piece, that's the most important piece. Guess what? Everyone here on this call, every human experience is nausea and vomiting. So this is not an abstract concept. This is something we've all experienced. And we all know how unpleasant that is. Fortunately, for most of us, the frequency of those symptoms is reduced. If you're gastroparetic this is either a daily or weekly symptom. And so it is the most important to address Metoclopramide is unique among treatments for gastroparesis because it works both centrally and peripherally. What I mean by that is it helps the stomach empty more quickly. It addresses the gastroparesis piece, but it also acts centrally in the brain to reduce the burden of nausea and vomiting.
Yale Jen
analystOkay. Great. That is very insightful and helpful. Maybe I will move to the second part of the question, which is that much broader in general, broader issues related to gastroparesis treatments. My first question here is that among the various symptoms of gastroparesis, which one or a combination that will trigger you to admit this person to a hospital.
David Kunkel
attendeeSo generally, any severe or uncontrolled symptoms of gastroparesis could potentially necessitate hospital admission, but especially intractable vomiting that can lead to dehydration, electrolyte imbalances, malnutrition and in diabetic patients, dangerous metabolic disarray. Folks who have really bad vomiting can't eat, they can't maintain their fluids. And so certainly, that would be a reason to admit them to the hospital where primarily what's done is to just bypass the stomach and put an IV in and start giving fluids and medicines through the IV. That's basically what is done in addition to monitoring for downstream complications, such as diabetic ketoacidosis.
Yale Jen
analystOkay. Great. Also, based on the different levels of severities, what might be the treatment selection for you when you're treating gastroparesis patients.
David Kunkel
attendeeSo treatment selection generally depends on severity of an individual patient's symptoms. Patients with mild symptoms, dietary modification and 1 or 2 medications will suffice. Patients who have more severe symptoms and who have had multiple emergency department visits, multiple hospitalizations. That's where we're going to start thinking about advanced treatments, more invasive treatments and those folks will be put in the severe refractory ban.
Yale Jen
analystOkay. That's very useful. And also, one patient failed there generally probably the first oral metoclopramide therapies. What may be the determined factors in selecting different other treatment options? Then I have another one follow this.
David Kunkel
attendeeYes. So the next line of treatment could depend on the specific symptoms that we're not adequately controlled patient preference, risk-benefit profile, side effects. Certainly, though, adequate absorption of the medication would be assessed based on symptom control. So if somebody is vomiting out their oral metoclopramide, they're not having side effects, the pill is not getting absorbed naturally that would be a situation where we would want to offer GIMOTI.
Yale Jen
analystOkay, and I know most of the patients in gastroparesis have a number of motility at the same time in terms of different diseases. Would you be able to assess patients that because of the throughout the pills that other sort of disease worsened or that kind of situation? And was there something else do you need to managing or treat maybe given in collaboration with other specialists?
David Kunkel
attendeeSo I'm on the hook if patients are throwing up their pills because guess what, they're not only throwing up their gastroparesis pills, but they're also throwing up their diabetes management pills, they've hypoglycemic agents, Metformin, Libre. And so the endocrinologists who are the diabetologists managing the patient's diabetes if they've had a solid organ transplant and are antirejection meds, which absolutely can't be vomited up, all of a sudden, all the guns of these other specialists get pointed at me. And so the pressure is on absolutely. We cannot have this patient vomiting. They're going to reject their heart, their lungs. Their diabetes is going to be impossible to control if the oral hypoglycemic agents aren't being taken and processed in a predictable manner. So these are situations where immediately we want to get on that. We want to leverage all the tools available, our full armamentarium. And in some cases, that means just bypassing the stomach completely with use of an enteral tube. That's how important it can be to ensure optimal absorption of medications. Sometimes we just have to skip that waiting room that is these gastroparetic patients stomachs.
Yale Jen
analystOkay. That certainly is important given the severity of the sort of collateral damage, I guess, to the patient other than simply the core problem you are treating. And my next question is that what portion of our patients generally fail the original treatment and may need to go to the second-line therapies.
David Kunkel
attendeeSo estimates vary, but a considerable patients require second-line therapies due to insufficient symptom control or side effects. I'm a tertiary referral center. So I'm seeing generally the more complicated and complex patients that might gastroenterology colleagues are struggling to manage on their own. Occasionally, the endocrinologist will send a patient over to me who hasn't been under the care of a gastroenterologist separately. But I'm biased in the sense that patients I'm seeing tend to be on the more complicated spectrum. But if we're speaking more generally, as a general rule, second-line therapies are going to be coming into play for a considerable proportion of these patients.
Yale Jen
analystSo would that be the case that when given you the academic settings and the treasury referring centers, you mentioned that you're getting more severe patients more often. And so you've been seeing the -- presumably seeing the benefits of being able to bypass the GI tract for treatments that will be -- will have a significant impact compared to other situation community settings.
David Kunkel
attendeeAbsolutely. It's my job to be aware of the latest treatments, the latest data. It's my job to be at the spear tip, and I think that's been one of the hard things with GIMOTI, in that it was -- it came out in the middle of COVID where there was a lot of distractions in health care. And so for me, though, that's my job, I need to know everything. I need to know the latest. And so absolutely, it's a tool that we've been leveraging from the outset for our patients in my motility practice.
Yale Jen
analystDo you have any patient that experienced symptom improvement when they are in the hospital using the IV metoclopramide. But once they continue, it discharged and the oral drug will not be active or effective in those situations.
David Kunkel
attendeeWell, Yale, one of the things that is done for gastroparesis patients who come into the emergency room or admitted to the hospital. The main thing that's done is simply placing an IV and bypassing the stomach. I mean that's the main intervention that can be offered versus in the outpatient route. Put another way, bypassing the stomach is the main thing that stopped. So absolutely, we see patients who do well as soon as the stomach has bypassed. And then if they're put back on an oral regimen, they don't have as good symptom control. So naturally, these are situations where an intranasal formulation seems like a great choice.
Yale Jen
analystSo generally, if I conclude that the bypass stomach over longer long period of time, both in hospital and out of the hospital could be at least a solution for some patients, otherwise, they may not be able to have the benefits leave the hospital, after they leave the hospital.
David Kunkel
attendeeWell, absolutely. And now with the data that I presented, we can say conclusively it makes a difference in terms of reducing health care resource utilization. So it was before that was more of a hypothetical question, Yale, I can now affirmatively and confidently tell you that is very much the case.
Yale Jen
analystOkay. Great. And maybe one more question here, which is under what circumstances you might prescribe GIMOTI, instead of other medication for treating the gastroparesis patients. I understand there's a number of medication theoretically off-label, but being broadly or frequently prescribed by physicians.
David Kunkel
attendeeSo metoclopramide, as mentioned in our most recent guideline from the American College of Gastroenterology from 2022 as a valid treatment for gastroparesis. And so all gastroenterology should be held to our guidelines. And so metoclopramide is once again affirmed as an appropriate treatment. Within metoclopramide, nasal metoclopramide has all the advantages we've discussed bypassing the stomach and being present within minutes, the GIMOTI jump. So in my experience -- my preference would be to discuss this as an option with any patient I meet who is on oral metoclopramide or who is embarking on a treatment for diabetic gastroparesis as a new diagnosis.
Yale Jen
analystOkay. Great. And certainly in the academic settings, you have the latest and the most updated information to make -- for making decisions. But given GIMOTI was launched at challenging time, initially. So what's your -- in terms of the buy-in by the physician or using GIMOTI, is it due to your knowledge, is there a difference between the academic setting and the community settings?
David Kunkel
attendeeSo just a few days ago, this past weekend, I gave a talk on gastroparesis to Southern California GI Society, which is hundreds of mostly community gastroenterologists in Southern California. And I asked how many had heard of GIMOTI and how many had prescriber experience. And I think this is a new medication that was in the launch in the midst of COVID. And so there weren't a ton of people who were aware of it. But once you hear how it works, it's not complicated to understand its advantage over oral metoclopramide. So immediately, after I went through asking how many people have heard of this or prescribed it, then I get a lot of the follow-up questions, well, tell me more, how do I prescribe it. So there's this disconnect between awareness and then, wow, okay, I want to start using this. And that's very real. So COVID was a challenge. COVID took over everything. COVID shut down our colonoscopies and endoscopies. And it's certainly just devoured everything in sight. But now that, hopefully, a lot of that is in our past, useful tools such as GIMOTI, hopefully will emerge. And I don't expect there to be any significant concerns because it's a natural choice over oral metoclopramide based on its mechanism of action. And once providers get their hands on it and get the feedback from patients reporting that reduction in nausea within minutes that will validate everything about this drug.
Yale Jen
analystOkay. Great. That's, again, very, very helpful in terms of we understand the sort of the overall landscape at the moment. And I assume in your expenses when you prescribe GIMOTI, I assume there's also patients we request to refill. What sort of feedback you might get from patients, why they choose to do so? And what are the general characteristic of these -- the patients will request for that if you being able to summarize or group them?
David Kunkel
attendeeSo we know patients are going to refill their prescriptions if they find the treatment effective in controlling their symptoms and manageable in terms of side effects. And I get a lot of refill requests for GIMOTI, so that does, to me, tell me that it's working, patients are happy. The symptom that I most dialed in is the nausea reduction and the vomiting reduction. And then I'm also taking a look at each visit we go through and see, well, how many emergency department visits have you had since I last saw you, were you ever admitted to the hospital. And because with this patient population, that hits absolutely, it's the scope and scale of the symptom burden is so high. There's this enormous health care resource utilization component. So we're also looking to make sure while you haven't had to visit the ED since I last saw you, these are other things that we talk about and we hear from our patients.
Yale Jen
analystOkay. Great. And as you mentioned earlier, GIMOTI has been less than a potential to be used as a first line treatment options. The question here is that do you envision the circumstances for using GIMOTI as first line could increase? And also, if so, what type of the gastroparesis patient initially probably will be suitable to fit the bill?
David Kunkel
attendeeSo I think GIMOTI might be used as a first-line therapy in cases where patients have difficulty with oral medications due to severe nausea or vomiting or if there are other contraindications to oral medications, some patients have difficulty swallowing, pills, it's difficult. And so a nasal spray would also be attractive to that population.
Yale Jen
analystOkay. Great. And another question actually is data came out a year earlier, which indicating that the side effect of the metoclopramide tardive dyskinesia actually is much lower than initially anticipated or expected. And the more recent data even such as there's only 0.1% of these incidents. So to your knowledge, does this information broadly disseminated to the physicians at the moment? And secondly, does that also potentially changing the prescription pattern -- the pattern of prescription for metoclopramide-based medications.
David Kunkel
attendeeSo tardive dyskinesia is involuntary muscle movement is an important side effect for patients and providers. So a lower incidence rate of tardive dyskinesia would certainly increase physicians' comfort in prescribing metoclopramide. The data, I think, if it is hopefully published in a full journal article, this latest data you're referencing, I think that would be very important in providing reassurance to patients and providers regarding this concerning side effect of involuntary muscle movements.
Yale Jen
analystOkay. And so one more practical questions for a lot of physician and patients, which is the only reimbursement side. In general, do you need to have a prior authorization before prescribing GIMOTI, and the sort of reimbursement from the private versus the public side, any difference at least in your experience?
David Kunkel
attendeeSo reimbursement, prior authorization processes for GIMOTI vary depending on specific insurance plan provider and region. Blissfully in my practice, I am somewhat removed from that. We have dedicated personnel who work on prior authorizations and insulate us as the health care providers just to make medical decisions. Occasionally, you'll ask me to end the Journal article or 2 on the efficacy of a particular drug. GIMOTI, like many drugs in the gastroenterology space goes through a particular specialty pharmacy in the real world. I have a list of drugs. I know have to go to a particular specialty pharmacy. I have that on my phone and I pull it up and in our electronic health record. I select that one pharmacy send it there and copy our prior of team so that they're aware and I've not had any substantial problems prescribing GIMOTI.
Yale Jen
analystOkay. Great. That's very important. I guess, a lot of both as well. And maybe the last question here before I open up for Q&A, my audience is that is there any other additional comment you may have regarding GIMOTI in treating gastroparesis?
David Kunkel
attendeeSo I would say a few things to think about. One, metoclopramide is unique for gastroparesis, we all recognize it works peripherally and centrally, that's a really important point because it speeds up the stomach and also works on the brain to reduce symptoms, very, very unique. We have other drugs that just work on the brain. We have other drugs that just speed up the stomach. The dual action of metoclopramide is uniquely well suited for this disease. Secondly, the GIMOTI jump is real. It makes sense. It's not complicated for patients or health care providers to understand when I talk about it, immediately, the light goes on. Certain drugs got to do a lot of hand waving. We need complicated slides. This one really is not complicated as gastroenterologist, we understand the stomach can turn into a morass, a swap, a waiting room. We go in there and they are huge chunks of what we call bezoar or collections of material and pills and capsules. And so we absolutely know why a patient's blood sugar control has been so difficult to manage with oral agents because the timing of those agents getting absorbed is quite variable. So GIMOTI is a really elegant solution for that by just bypassing the stomach. The nose is like a big blood vessel. And so it takes full advantage of that. So those are the 2 things. Metoclopramide, a nice fit for the disease. GIMOTI is jumps into the bloodstream. So that's the story of this drug.
Yale Jen
analystOkay. Great. That's very, very helpful. I really appreciate it. So first of all, I'd just like to see, is there any questions from audience who want to put it out here? And just checking on that, maybe give a half minute to see any things jump in. Okay. This is my 0.5 minutes time clock. So maybe I have one more question here before maybe we can wrap that up, which is an interesting question I thought about, which is not -- which is that given metoclopramide-- I mean the oral metoclopramide might have the problem sometimes the drug doesn't get to the site, and therefore, you have problems to show the effectiveness. Now you have a bypass that obviously, IV bypass that as well. So my question here is, is there a metoclopramide drug resistance issue? Or have we identified anything like that at this moment? Or that's still something to be researched on?
David Kunkel
attendeeMetoclopramide drug resistance. That's an interesting terminology, sort of resistance we generally think of with antibiotics, anti-infective agents. Generally, I would say the limitation with metoclopramide concern side effects. Certainly, there are patients who don't tolerate it. And so that's the biggest limitation, is side effect tolerance. But I wouldn't say that there's any resistance. It's not -- there isn't an immunogenicity problem. There isn't tolerance tachyphylaxis that we see with other agents.
Yale Jen
analystOkay. Great. That actually is very good to know because that seems to provide a metoclopramide based medication of strong -- I mean there's a strong incentive to prescribe this drug because of the -- once you're being able to deliver to the site continuously and that they should be effective and it has -- will be very helpful for the patient across the board. So at this point, we really appreciate your participation and gave us great insight of both treating gastroparesis as well as the GIMOTI information or details of benefits that will be the first time again in a very controlled and combined manner to present to all of us. So I thank you for participating, and thanks all the audience for listening to this story. If you have additional questions, you can send it to us or to the company. I think they will be happy to address that. Again, thanks a lot, and have a good, I guess afternoon, I guess.
David Kunkel
attendeeGood to be with you. Take care. Bye-bye.
Yale Jen
analystBye-bye.
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