Evolution AB (publ) (EVO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
July 17, 2026
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorWelcome to Evolution Q2 report 2026 presentation. [Operator Instructions] Now I will hand the conference over to the speakers, CEO, Martin Carlesund; and CFO, Joakim Andersson. Please go ahead.
Martin Carlesund
executiveThank you. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to the presentation of Evolution's interim report for the second quarter of 2026. My name is Martin Carlesund, and I'm the CEO of Evolution, with me, I have our CFO, Joakim Andersson. As always, I will start with some comments on our performance and then hand over to Joakim for a closer look at our financials. After that, I will conclude, and then we will open up for questions. . Next slide, please. So let's start with the highlights. Net revenues were EUR 517.8 million corresponding to a year-on-year decline of 1.2%, but a quarter-on-quarter increase of 0.9%. And EBITDA came in at EUR 341 million, corresponding to a margin of 65.9%. I'm overall happy with the results in the quarter. Revenue and EBITDA both moved in the right direction. The margin is in line with our guidance and cash flow is strong. The volatility in Asia continues to disturb the overall picture, but we will continue to address cyber crime challenges day by day 1 quarter at a time, and I'm certain that we will eventually win. Europe saw a recovery compared to the start of the year with generally good progress across markets. Latin America continued its strong momentum and North America also shows good growth. Live revenue improved to 0.6% compared to the first quarter, but declined 3.6% on a year-on-year basis, mostly related to Europe. At the same time, R&D revenue showed a strong 14% growth year-on-year, and it can be noted that the North American Slots business performs well at the moment. In the quarter, we've launched a second student in Michigan, which is not only hosting several game shows in the state, but also the is the home of our second live brand. And around the quarter end, we also relaunched a studio in Argentina that we acquired from a competitor earlier this year. On the product side, we have launched the first Citerne Haber partnership so all in all, pretty much business as usual, we keep grinding and moving forward. Next slide, please. Here, we have our operational KPIs, first consisting of head count and the Game Rounds index. On headcount, we are growing 2.8% on a year-on-year basis and flat quarter-on-quarter. As highlighted, we have launched 2 new studios in the quarter and are yet some more launches later this year. With every new studio, we are optimizing the distribution and cost mix, and I'm happy with -- the Game Rounds index can be seen as a general indicator of activity throughout our network over time. It varies between quarters, but for the long-term trend should be increased. A session in general, gets faster with small bets. The uptick in Q2 is satisfied, very well. Next slide, please. Looking at the revenue mix by customer location, it looks exactly the same as Europe dominates the picture, followed by North America and Latin America. As we all our customers to carry license in regulated jurisdictions, all our revenues are regulated. Moving to the revenue split based on our customers' customer, which is an estimation based on the IP number of players received from our customers and purchase third-party information North America and Africa takes a slightly larger part of the mix, whereas Asia has decreased somewhat. The estimated share of stemming from regulated markets continue to increase and now stands at 49%. Next slide, please. Now I'll go through each of the major regions based on the estimation of revenue based on our customers' customer IP number. Europe saw a recovery quarter-on-quarter. The regulatory subjective remains and channelization is very weak in a number of jurisdictions, but we have seen an increasing activity in regulated markets. Are we at an inflection point? It's too early to say, but our strong belief is that the only way to win players to the regulated portion of the market is both a balanced regulation and by offering the best and most entertaining content. In the quarter, the games category did really good and demand for class content is on the rise. We continue to work hard and adapt to both the regulatory and the player needs. Later this year, we launched a new studio in billions in Lithuania. A recurring topic when speaking about Europe has been the license review in the U.K., where we agreed a settlement of [ GBP 4.75 ] million earlier this week. I believe the amount is a bit high in relation to the actual issue but I'm still happy to be able to resolve it and move forward. Throughout the review, we have continued to refine our processes. And as you're all aware of, also imposed the stricter in measures among any suppliers in Europe. I can't stress this enough that the Evolution of oil want to do right. We require all our customers to carry the license needed in a specific market, and we're engaged with the regulators to address issues that arise. Moving to Asia. As already highlighted, unfortunately, we took a step back compared to the previous quarter. We have said it before that this is a capital mass gain and the volatility will remain, but we are not stressed. We know what the share is. We will continue to battle it and we look forward to see where we stand in next quarter. Looking beyond the cybercrime issues, performance in the region was good. The regulated Philippine market is growing nicely and the regular situation in the region as a whole has been overall state. Next slide, please. The strong growth trend continues in both North America and Latin America with an all-time high revenue in both regions. In North America, we have launched MONOPOLY Live in New Jersey, Delaware, Michigan and Connecticut. Originally released in 2019 in Europe, it is 1 of our most popular game shows globally. And with MONOPOLY has a very strong franchise in the U.S., we are excited about to finally bring it to the American audience. After the quarter end, we have also expanded our presence in Alberta in Canada, following the introduction of the regulated commercial market. Speaking of North America, I will take the opportunity to address -- to address Alexi Gaming. As everyone is aware, the outside date of the merger agreement is today, after today, either partner issue to terminate agreement 2 years past, and we have spent significant time, effort and resources handling the administration needed to close the acquisition. I really think that Galaxy is a great company. And we have had a strong commercial relationship with them for many years. But due to its side, the transaction is not significant for Evolution. That means that the outcome has no material impact on our existing business, our U.S. operations or our long-term ambitions. We'll come back in due time on the way forward, and I will not comment it further today. Moving on to Latin America, where growth remains solid. We continue to adapt our products to the local markets. And in the quarter, we have launched a localized version of ice fishing in Brazil. It is hosted by native Brazilian Portuguese-speaking game presenters and stemming from our -- streaming from our Sao Paulo studio. A few weeks back, we also relaunched a studio in Argentina that we acquired, which I also mentioned earlier, from our competitor in Q1. It's our second studio in Argentina, and it will support continued growth in the market. We don't display a separate chart for other markets, which mainly comprise of Africa. It's a somewhat volatile rating quarter-on-quarter, but with a clear positive trend and its revenue contribution is increasingly notable. We have a strong position as a premium lab casino supplier, but R&D is also showing good growth. Next slide, please. I've talked so much about our amazing product road map for 2026. So this time around, I will keep it more consistent. During the second quarter, we launched the first title under our new exclusive global partnership with Hasbro, Monopoly at -- and earlier this week, we also launched MONOPOLY Rob. The initial response from both operators and plays have been very strong, and I believe we are on to something really great. Looking ahead, we have many more titles to launch, but I will speak now on only 1, about only 1 of them. This is actually not related to Hasbro, but the spinoff of our own popular anytime. Starting Mr. Funke and the Disco. As the name just Discobalds will bring a lot of action with the discosmosphere. It will be fun and Grovian Satterleased during the third quarter. that is our major upcoming release. And with that, I will hand over to Joakim for a closer look at our financials. And the next slide, please.
Joakim Andersson
executiveThank you, Martin. As usual, I will now go a bit deeper into the financials, but let's start with Slide 8 and our revenue and EBITDA development over time. If we look at the data on the far right, we can see the Q2 revenue of EUR 57.8 million, represented by the blue bar, EBITA of EUR 341 million in the gray bar and the EBITA margin of 65.9% shown by the line above. It's another stable quarter that we add to the last few quarters with a small but yet positive revenue increase. Let's go to the next slide. And on this slide, we have a more detailed look at our profit and loss statement. As before, and you're getting used to this, I have highlighted the key takeaways on the slide, and I will walk through them one by one. First, again, net revenues amounted to EUR 517.8 million, down 1.2% year-on-year, but up 0.9% quarter-on-quarter. Notable here is the continued positive development on the R&D side and solid double-digit growth year-on-year at 14%. Second, total operating expenses were EUR 220 million, which is 1% higher than Q2 last year, up 0.2% down quarter-on-quarter which helped us expand the margin slightly quarter-on-quarter. Generally, it feels we are on top of it, and we manage our cost base in a prudent way. Third, with the addition of a positive financial net of EUR 3.1 million this quarter, it all means that the profit for the period amounted to EUR 251.4 million. And then finally, as the fourth highlight EPS, earnings per share after dilution were EUR 1.27 from this quarter and onwards, there will be a noticeable effect in the number of outstanding shares as a consequence of our buybacks. And in this quarter, we bought back 5.1 million shares. Let's move on to the next slide, where I will show you the development of our cash flow. First, on the left-hand side, we show our operating cash flow after investments. This amounted to EUR 258 million for the quarter. The last 12 months cash conversion remains strong and ended up at 86% shown by the line in the same graph. The second quarter is seasonally weak on cash flow due to tax payments or low, I should say, maybe, but we saw good progress and good positive contribution from the ongoing working capital efficiency initiatives. Turning to the chart on the right, which shows our capital expenditures. Total CapEx related to tangible and intangible assets amounted to EUR 34.7 million for the quarter. This remains stable as a share of net revenues, as illustrated by the black line. Next slide, please. Turning to our financial position. And as you can see, there are no major changes compared to recent quarters. We continue to be in a very strong position with total cash of EUR 1.2 billion. And in the quarter, we used EUR 303 million of our cash towards the buybacks, you can also see that the investment in the bond portfolio was repaid this quarter and booked on the cash line. Total equity amounted to EUR 4.2 billion -- sorry, EUR 4.2 billion, and that concludes the financial deep dive for this quarter. Back to you, Martin, for the wrap-up.
Martin Carlesund
executiveThank you, Joakim brilliant. So let's summarize and then move to Q&A. I am purpose to try to stay to the point -- as much to the point as possible in this presentation. As stated, I believe things are moving in the right direction, and it's very much business as usual in Evolution right now. I'm pleased with the development in Europe, North America and Latin America and Africa and as for Asia, I believe we will come around. What I haven't mentioned yet is the share buyback, which also had begun through by Joakim. It was initiated in May. I know you waited long for the capital allocation decision, and I can assure you that we looked at our options from every possible angle. We're confident that the EUR 2 billion program which, as far as I am aware is the largest ever in the history of Swedish Stock Exchange is the right thing to create engine shareholder value. Operationally, as we move forward, we will minimize time and resource and on things that don't really drive business revenue and cash flow. Our main effort will go even with a stronger focus into building world-leading games and release stores on the largest online gaming network in the world, our OSS one structure. At Evolution, we love what we do, and we do it with passion, and I want to take this opportunity to thank all of you Evolutioners in all parts of the world what a great job you do. So with that, we thank you for listening. And now we open up for questions. And the final slide. Thank you. .
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Ed Young from Morgan Stanley. .
Edward Young
analystI've got to now, if that's okay. First of all, could you give a bit more color on Asia. I appreciate you say it's volatile, but I wonder if you could comment on what you think the background trend is in the industry or the underlying because the revenue has been sort of bouncing around in a range for a while now. Is the right reading of that the market is flat, your growth is underlying flat or the impacts from these kind of volatile issues greater that? I'm just trying to get an idea of the underlying trend when you say that you're confident you'll be able to defeat this in the end. That's my first question, please.
Martin Carlesund
executiveGood morning Ed. Good to hear you. Asia is a large section on earth. It's not -- it's many countries, and they come together something we call Asia. It's not a -- it's much larger than Europe. There are many different countries moving around. I would say that there is an underlying potential growth and the effect that I -- we -- that we see right now is coming from cyber crime. And that is the volatility cost we are focusing to solve that. And unfortunately, it's a little bit up and down step.
Edward Young
analystOkay. And then second of all, on R&D, we see double-digit growth in the quarter. You called out North America as a good market. I just wonder if you could give a bit more color is there any particular game leases that are going well? Or do you think this is part of the broader commercial OSS kind of effort sales effort that you're making internally? Or is it just North as being a bit and that sort. Just a bit more color behind the growth?
Martin Carlesund
executiveWe shouldn't overvalue North America and the comment that I made there is North America in the greater scheme of things, still a small market in comparison to others. We are doing better. We are now slowly building and coming to double-digit growth, which we have that we talked about for a long time, and that took a long time to get there. But we are here now, and it's from the total situation in R&D, not any specific market. We very happy with that, very happy with that.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Martin Arnell from DNB Carnegie.
Martin Arnell
analystOn my first question, what can you sort of learn from Asia when you were here, like in Q3 last year, you had noticeable issues with the cyber crime and what did you learn there? And any new tools that you can use this time?
Martin Carlesund
executiveWe learn a lot all of the time. And Internet in general is moving forward. And I think that we are in the absolute forefront and the cutting-edge possibilities. And even though the volatilities here, I'm quite happy with the situation that we have technically and what we are doing, and I look forward to move forward from here.
Martin Arnell
analystAnd you're not overly concerned that this would be -- get worse before better?
Martin Carlesund
executiveI don't guide on quarter-on-quarter growth for any region. But but the volatility is still here. We're not in a stable situation, as you can see.
Martin Arnell
analystAnd on Europe, I think it was fairly broad-based recovery. Anything you want to highlight that's changed compared to the loss of the results?
Martin Carlesund
executiveNo, I think that we are happy -- there are things that make the business that we do a little bit volatile and then things will move around. But we're happy with the recovery and we're growing, and you can also see that from the figures. It's a good quarter in Europe.
Martin Arnell
analystAnd my final question is on the games pipeline. You have released some of the Hasper licensed games, if you can mention anything on the reception so far. But have you tilted the timing for the launch is a little bit more skewed to later in the year? Or are you on track with the release pipeline? .
Martin Carlesund
executiveI think that the reception of the games have been actually very good. And 1 thing that we've learned over the years is that you can see that with ice fishing, which is a tremendous success. So it takes a little while to build that audience that we want to have. So very, very good reception of the games that we're launching. Did we -- are we delayed with the product road I would say that the [indiscernible] road map have been a little bit tilted towards the end all along already when we released it, and we are corresponding it earlier, but it's a little bit tilted towards the end.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Charlie Muir-Sands from BNP Paribas.
Charlie Muir-Sands
analystI've got a couple, please. Firstly, just on the overall group. I know that you talked about Game Rounds being a long-term directional indicator. But Game Round saw quite a nice pickup quarter-on-quarter, substantially ahead of the revenue growth. I wondered if you could sort of talk about whether there's any sort of particular temporary or permanent mix effects. And perhaps it's related to this I wondered if you can talk about what you're seeing in terms of currency headwinds from end player markets and whether those are starting to ease at all in any of those areas? And then the second question topic is the U.K. You've obviously confirmed the settlement and the financial amount. I just wanted to get clarity that there are no further incremental technical restrictions that you've committed to have to undertake from here? I know you took some actions a while ago. And similarly, also on the U.K. market, whether you've seen any particular change in market behavior since the remote gaming duty tax rate increased in April?
Martin Carlesund
executiveIt was a little bit of everything. I will try to remember it. So I mean, we're very satisfied with the Game Round development. As we know, entertainment is important -- shorter pension spend is for the coming generations. So it has to be snap it fun really entertaining content. We can't stay with what the industry did years and years ago and think that everyone will do the same. It won't happen, then we lose it. So Game Rounds will need to increase more than revenue over the coming 10 years. So that you should have in the backlog. Having that said, we're happy with the development this quarter. Yes, Joakim comment on the...
Joakim Andersson
executiveOn the FX side, I can pick that up. As you can read in our report in this quarter, it was a little bit less of FX headwinds on the revenue side compared to last quarters. Then if this is kind of a sustainable thing or not. I mean that's something we can't guess on any of us on the call, I guess. But yes, a little bit lesser headwinds in this quarter.
Martin Carlesund
executiveU.K. Gaming Commission. I mean we settled with them. There's no -- there's no changes in our way of doing business in the U.K. for a while and we have no changes coming up. When it comes to the balance of the regulatory situation in any jurisdiction, not in particular the U.K., but as soon as you raise the tax to a certain limit, at certain bar, you will lose. You have seen that in many use such as U.K. and the Netherlands and the channelization reached 50% levels and that is not good. So we need to see to and hope for a better balance in the regulatory, what the regulators do. But it's not for our -- to decide and we just act on the rules that are there, and we are very respectful to those rules, and we understand why they do them and of course, raising the taxes negative for the channelization.
Charlie Muir-Sands
analystUnderstood. I'm sorry, just to clarify, when you talked about the 50%, I assume you're referring to the estimates around the Netherlands not to a new estimate for the U.K.?
Martin Carlesund
executiveI didn't refer to any specific country, but if you reach realization of 50%, it's of course, very tough. .
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Ben Shelley from UBS.
Benjamin Shelley
analystI've got 3 questions, if that's okay. The first 1 is on Asia. Could you just elaborate more on the cyber crime issues you're seeing in Asia are they affecting player access payments, operator activity or something else? .
Martin Carlesund
executiveIt's the same as we commented before, it's simply that the they take our product, make a copy and redistribute it. That's what they do. So they use our product in 1 way or the other, and they redistribute it and resell it, just like they would do with bad comparison, but the handbag or anything else that they would make a copy and sell, they will do the same. .
Benjamin Shelley
analystGot it. Got it. And then just on recent trends in Asia. Have trading trends in Asia improved, worsened or remained broadly unchanged since the end of Q2? .
Martin Carlesund
executiveWhat? Sorry, what do you mean? .
Benjamin Shelley
analystSo trading trends improved in Asia since the end of the quarter? .
Martin Carlesund
executiveI don't comment within the quarter. We are -- the volatility is in the quarter, as you see, and the figures are there, and we look forward to the next quarter. .
Benjamin Shelley
analystOkay. And then just on Europe, Europe's returned to quarter-on-quarter growth for the first time in several quarters. Do you view this as the start of a more sustainable recovery? Or is it still too early to draw that conclusion?
Martin Carlesund
executiveI wish that I had a clear answer to that. I mean I even asked that in the telco like is it an inflection point. I'm happy with it. And I look forward to the next quarter, that's the best Europe. That's the best I can give you on that and better activity, nice to see. .
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Nikola Kalanoski from ABG Sundal Collier.
Nikola Kalanoski
analystSo the first 1 is just on the stabilization of Europe. What would you say has contributed to that stabilization on the game show front this quarter? Has it been driven by these relatively new and popular games such as ice fishing or has the broader game shows portfolio performed strongly, would you say?
Martin Carlesund
executiveI think that all games have performed well. Then, of course, it's ice fishing is a tremendous success. It's it's becoming 1 of the biggest games in the whole industry. And we have done that before, and we've seen it now. So of course, that contributes, but I don't think that we should overvalue. It's the total situation that makes the figures. .
Nikola Kalanoski
analystYes. And indeed, ice fishing looks to be a great game. And then just quickly, I guess, on the U.K. market to the extent that you can answer this question. Curious on the initial impact of this high remote gaming duty you started to see a significantly negative impact from the tax hike in Q2? And has that adversely impacted your Europe revenue significantly recently?
Martin Carlesund
executiveWe don't comment on specific market in euros, as you know. But while back also commented on the size of U.K. and U.K. market is not really a huge market for Evolution. So even with an impact, it's not that big. .
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Monique Pollard from Citi. .
Monique Pollard
analystI have a couple of questions, if I can. The first question was whether you could provide any update beyond what you've written in the press articles about the article from Investigator Europe and whether it's possible to access Evolution games on [indiscernible] from the U.K. IP address? .
Martin Carlesund
executiveWe take all possible measures to make that not possible, and we have not been able to replicate any type of game play that has been stated. .
Monique Pollard
analystOkay. That's clear. And the second question I had, have 1 for a just about the working capital initiatives that you've been putting in place, whether you could give us some examples of those initiatives, and I don't know if you're able to quantify or give us some sense of the benefits that they're providing, please? .
Joakim Andersson
executiveYes. Sure. Thank you. I mean we talked about this for a couple of quarters now, and we could see that the trend of accounts receivables were negative for us where we're building and hiring capital in receivables up until kind of the peak, probably end of this year. So then we talked about it and I explained that we have put some more effort and more resources to really go through the AR and then making sure that our customers pay what they are supposed to pay and they pay on time. So it's kind of those initiatives that we've been working with for a few months now. And even if it takes some time and it does because it's long cycles, then now we see some benefits of that coming through. I kind of -- you can quantify, you can see in the cash flow statement and you can see on the AR side that has, I mean, an effect on increased efforts. So we're quite happy with it, but we continue to work with it as well. .
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Pravin Gondhale from Barclays. .
Pravin Gondhale
analystFirstly, on M&A. Now following the GLS development, could you just talk about your M&A pipeline? Are there sort of any other opportunities that you are pursuing size and scope of those opportunities? And then secondly, on cost and margins. Could you just offer some steer color on expected cost development through second half of this year and early next year? And how should we be thinking about the margins from here? Are you comfortable with your previous EBITDA margin guidance is so that last year's results?
Martin Carlesund
executiveWe constantly evaluate vertically and horizontally if there's any opportunities to acquire something. But I also firmly believe that you should deliver what you state that you should deliver. And that's why even though we don't make a headline of it, but -- this quarter is the quarter of double-digit growth for R&D, and it took a while, but we're here now. And we're proud of that because we stated that we're going to do that. And that has to do with M&A, but not directly. So we're always evaluating what we could buy. When it comes to cost of margin, I think that we're happy with the progression of margin we're in line with our guidance for this quarter, and we are in good cost control. Managing our cash flow, Joakim and his team is doing a great job. And we are where we should be with those. .
Joakim Andersson
executiveAnd the margin -- the EBITDA margin for the full year remains. So I mean, no question about that. .
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Karan Puri from JPMorgan. .
Karan Puri
analystA couple from my side as well. First 1 on Galaxy Gaming. I know you mentioned it's not a very meaningful transaction. But just sort of understand better in terms of what went drawn there. That's the first question. Second 1 on Asia. Is it possible to share some color on the competitive landscape evolution over the last 12 months? Has competition intensified or been somewhat stable? Any sort of color or data point that would be really helpful. .
Martin Carlesund
executiveI won't give more comments on Galaxy Gaming that than what I did earlier. We are on the outside date, meaning that the time period for closure is ending actually today. We will now continue to evaluate. It's been we put more resource and focus to close and handle the administrative burden that is related to this transaction. And of course, I also point out that -- as a matter of the size, it's not anything that is significant and it doesn't affect Evolution's plans or anything else in U.S. or elsewhere. The competitive landscape in Asia, not really changed. I don't know this much change there. There's always been a lot of competition all from the start, and I think it's about the same.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Rasmus Engberg from Kepler Cheuvreux.
Rasmus Engberg
analyst2 questions remaining. I don't know if you can answer this, but are there any further regulatory hurdles to complete Galaxy acquisition?
Martin Carlesund
executiveI can't comment on that right now. We will come to the decision and make an evaluation very soon. Unfortunately, I can't give you more information than that right now. .
Rasmus Engberg
analystOkay. And second question, we're approaching the end of the World Cup, how -- has that had any impact on you? Do you anticipate any impact from it in the second half of the year?
Martin Carlesund
executiveVery good question, to be honest. Every time we have these situations when there's World Cup or Olympic Games -- we come in with it and think about that there should be huge activity boost. Honestly, I have -- we don't see that as clearly. It's not in any way negative, but maybe it's the time zone, maybe it was like, but we don't see that boost out of world championship. That's the remark. .
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The next question comes from Jack Cummings from Berenberg.
Jack Cummings
analystTwo questions, please. First, just on RNG. Obviously, you're now back into that double-digit growth number. You've not been there for, I think it's about 3 years or so I think is the start of 2023. Are you confident in holding that double-digit growth rate going ahead. And then my second question is on costs. You've talked about kind of cost control within the business. I think head count was broadly flat quarter-on-quarter. Should we anticipate that if you get back into year-on-year revenue growth, we'll also see growth in head count and growth in personnel expenses?
Martin Carlesund
executiveWe are happy with where we are with the R&D. We look forward to the coming quarters. I won't guide on that, but now we took a good step forward with the 14% growth. So we're happy with that. Coming to the cost control, I think that we are -- and you saw my comment that -- we are adding studios, but we're enhancing the distribution and cost mix. And don't forget that we, during a while, had a very unfavorable cost mix and distribution. So we're coming out of that, and we are in good cost control and look forward also to that part of the year. But of course, if we see a great growth in revenue, we will also expand the cost base and expand the footprint in different markets.
Joakim Andersson
executiveLeaving us back to the margin. That's why we also guide on margin, right? So if the revenue is coming up, the cost will come up that we will then maintain the 66% margin target.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Adrien de Saint Hilaire from Bank of America.
Adrien de Saint Hilaire
analystFirst 1 on your Slide #12, you said that you have an ambition to grow in line with the market in your regions in Live and RNG. Do you think that's the case right now in live or might you be underperforming the market -- and then maybe for Joakim, can you talk about how much buyback should be coming through in Q3 and Q4, I think you've spent already above EUR 300 million. So how much should we expect for the remainder of the year and phase between Q3 and Q4?
Martin Carlesund
executiveI think we can always do better. I expect more when it comes to live growth. So looking forward to the rest of the year. When it comes to the buybacks, you can comment? .
Joakim Andersson
executiveYes, sure. I mean for the second quarter now, we have kind of maxed out on what is possible -- and it's max is 25% of the daily volumes over the last 20 days daily volumes. What will happen in Q3 and Q4 is difficult to say. It depends on the volumes in the market trading volumes, so kind of mathematically. And then also on share price, obviously. So share price goes down or up and the volume changes, then it will be changing for us as well. Having said that as well, I mean, we have a EUR 2 billion program, as you know. And we -- I mean, looking at the cash flow, cash what we have on the balance sheet, we couldn't spend the EUR 2 billion tomorrow. So even if the volumes in share price will be allowing it. So it needs to be pissed at the proper level.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Martin Arnell from DNB Carnegie. .
Martin Arnell
analystI just had a minor follow-up on -- on the Game Round index slide, we can see that it's the highest ever in Q2 after the temporary dip late last year. I think it's up like 12%. And versus Q4, but your revenue is fairly flattish here. So I'm just trying to understand, is it like mainly driven by the new game shows would lower bet amount? Or is it also an improvement in the more traditional live table games that you see here? .
Martin Carlesund
executiveI'm very satisfied with the development. There's always some lags. It's not only about Game Rounds. It's not only about how many pays or on tables and so on, there's a lot to it in the different markets. the development of the game rounds is good, and it's all-time high, and I'm very happy with that. It looks good. .
Operator
operatorThere are no more questions at this time. So I hand the conference back to the speakers for any closing comments.
Martin Carlesund
executiveThank you very much for listening. I appreciate all your questions. Look forward to see you soon again. And I look forward to Q3. Thank you. .
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