Extendicare Inc. (EXE) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
August 7, 2026
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorThank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to Extendicare Inc. Second Quarter 2026 Analyst Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] The conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jillian Fountain, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Jillian Fountain
executiveThank you, operator, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Extendicare's 2026 Second Quarter Results Conference Call. Joining me today are Extendicare's President and CEO, Michael Guerriere; and Executive Vice President and CFO, David Bacon. Our Q2 results were released yesterday and are available on our website as is a live audio webcast of today's call, along with the company's slide presentation. An archived recording will also be available on our website following the call today. As well, replay numbers and passcodes have been provided in our press release for those wishing to access an archived recording by phone until tonight on August 21. Before we get started, please be reminded that today's call may include forward-looking statements and non-GAAP and other financial measures. Such forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed or implied today. We have identified such factors as well as details of non-GAAP and other financial measures in our public filings with the securities regulators and suggest that you refer to those filings. With that, I'll turn the call over to Michael.
Michael Guerriere
executiveThank you, Jillian, and good morning. Our second quarter results reflect the successful execution of our acquisition strategy over the last 18 months. On April 1, we closed a $570 million acquisition of CBI, making Q2 the first period that CBI contributes to our results. The year-over-year increase in our EBITDA of 71.7% also reflects the acquisition of 9 long-term care homes from Revera that closed June 1, 2025, and Closing the Gap that closed July 1, 2025. All 3 acquisitions are exceeding the originally underwritten adjusted EBITDA that we reported at the time they were announced, reflecting our focus on acquiring platforms that contribute to our organic growth. Q2 also featured Extendicare's inaugural unsecured notes offering with the issuance of $450 million of unsecured notes, supported by a BBB credit rating from DBRS. Together with a new $250 million unsecured senior credit facility, this new investment-grade capital structure gives us flexibility in making future capital allocation decisions, leaving our pro forma net debt to EBITDA at 2.5x, well ahead of our original leverage outlook when we announced the largest acquisition in our history. We are on track to complete the integration of Closing the Gap this year as we now focus our attention on integrating CBI. We achieved another strong quarter of organic growth in Home Health Care, which, coupled with the acquisitions, contributed to 133% year-over-year growth in Home Health Care volumes. Excluding CBI, our ADV increased 31.7% from the prior year, driven by the Closing the Gap acquisition and strong underlying growth of the market. As we previously noted, the unexpectedly rapid organic growth we have experienced recently in the Home Health Care segment has necessitated additional investments in technology and back-office teams to support frontline home health care operations. These investments, along with the lack of a 2026 rate increase in Ontario, contributed to the 60 basis point reduction in Home Health Care NOI margins from the prior year period. Despite the strong volume growth again this quarter, we continue to expect that the underlying market growth will moderate over time to a long-run average of approximately 6% to 8% on an annualized basis, reflecting the 4% demographic growth trend and the expectation that the shortfall in the availability of Long-Term Care beds will continue. Long-term Care occupancy remains strong, with announced funding enhancements and preferred occupancy rate increases contributing to NOI growth of $5.7 million and trailing 12-month NOI margins of 11.8%. Our Managed Services segment continues its record of strong performance, including 8.3% year-over-year growth in the SGP customer base and NOI margins at 57.6%. We continue to expect annualized margins of 50% to 55% for this segment. Driven by the strength of these results, our AFFO per share, adjusted to remove the impact of stock-based compensation payments, increased to $0.448 per share, an increase of 52.9% year-over-year. Stock-based compensation was unusually impactful this quarter due to the retirement of 2 long-tenured directors from our Board. Our payout ratio on a trailing 12-month basis, excluding the impact of out-of-period items, was 37%. Turning to Slide 4. We see updated information on CBI Home Health, as detailed in the business acquisition report we filed on May 12. CBI is tracking ahead of initial expectations with Q2 26 revenue of $145.7 million and adjusted EBITDA of $18.5 million. CBI contributed ADV of 33,609 in the quarter, approximating a run rate of 12 million hours of care annually, about 20% ahead of 2024 volumes, a very similar growth rate to what we experienced at ParaMed in the same period. CBI is highly complementary to ParaMed as it materially expands our presence in Western Canada and introduces business models that offer new avenues for organic growth. The added scale of the combined companies will enable further investment in technology and deliver significant synergies once the integration is complete. This is important to position us to provide reliable, high-quality services more efficiently to the thousands of people that rely on us for care every day. Turning to Slide 5. We continue to advance our Ontario long-term care redevelopment agenda through our joint venture with Axium Infrastructure. At the end of May, we welcomed residents to Extendicare Beauclaire, the new 320-bed home in Ottawa that we opened in the joint venture. We also completed the sale of the Sudbury project to Axium joint venture for net cash proceeds of $18.1 million, net of costs and our [ 15% ] retained managed interest, resulting in a $7.7 million gain after tax. We currently have 6 projects under construction, including Extendicare Forest Trail, a 256-bed home, which is scheduled to open next month in Peterborough. Looking ahead, we remain on track to open 4 new homes in 2027, representing a further 832 beds. We continue to progress an additional 17 projects that are at varying stages of planning and development under the Ontario Long-Term Care Home Capital Development Program, including a 256-bed home in Ottawa, where we hope to break ground by the end of 2026. We are actively working with the government on necessary funding and other elements required to fully realize our development agenda. I'll now turn the call over to our CFO, David Bacon, to discuss our financial results in more detail.
David Bacon
executiveThanks, Michael. I'll start with an overview of our consolidated results, review our individual business segment and provide an update on the recent changes to our balance sheet. This quarter's results reflect the full quarter impact from all of our acquisitions. Our consolidated Q2 revenue increased by 59.4% to $611 million, driven by the full quarter contribution of the CBI acquisition, which drove 132.6% growth in our home health volumes, the impact of Closing the GAAP acquisition on a year-over-year basis, and continued Home Health Care organic growth. It was also bolstered by the acquisition of the 9 LTC homes in June of 2025 and our Long-Term Care funding enhancements. Our Q2 adjusted EBITDA was $68.3 million, an increase of $28.5 million or 71% over the prior year, reflecting our acquisitions and strong underlying organic growth, particularly in our Home Health segment. The CBI acquisition contributed adjusted EBITDA of $18.5 million. It's important to note this quarter that both our net earnings and our AFFO were negatively impacted by certain onetime items that we believe should be adjusted for when considering our results. Our Q2 net earnings of $30.9 million, down $1.1 million from the prior year, were impacted by pretax costs of $8.1 million in connection with establishing our senior unsecured credit structure and the early prepayment of certain Long-Term Care home mortgages and loans. In addition, net earnings were further impacted by pretax costs of $8.7 million related to transaction and integration costs primarily related to the CBI acquisition. Additionally, we reported $3.6 million lower pretax gains on the sale of assets to the joint venture on a year-over-year basis. Adjusting for these impacts and certain fair value impacts, net of tax, our net earnings increased by $15.6 million to $36.4 million or $0.38 per basic share. Our Q2 AFFO improved by $11.7 million or 47% to $36.5 million. However, this quarter's AFFO was impacted by the settlement of deferred share units held by 2 long-standing directors who retired in April, resulting in payroll cash withholding taxes of $8.7 million or $6.4 million on an after-tax basis. When this is excluded, our Q2 AFFO increased by $18.1 million or 73% to $42.9 million or AFFO per basic share of $0.448, an increase of 2.9% from the prior year. Turning to our individual segments. Our Home Health Care continues to deliver strong performance, driven by the acquisitions and continued organic growth. Our Q2 revenue increased by $201.7 million year-over-year, while NOI increased by $25.2 million or 117.8%. CBI contributed approximately $145.7 million in revenue and $19.5 million in NOI during the quarter. As Mike indicated, our NOI margins declined 60 basis points to 12.9%, largely due to the increased investment in back office to address recent and future growth and the absence of a 2026 rate increase in Ontario to offset labor cost inflation. Turning to our Long-Term Care segment. Revenue increased by $26.5 million or 12.8%, driven primarily by the contribution of $18.8 million from the 9 LTC homes acquired last June, net of the closure of the Carlingview Manor following the opening of the Extendicare Beauclaire home in the joint venture in May. In addition, our LTC operations benefited from funding increases and improved preferred occupancy. Our NOI increased by $5.7 million or 23.9%, driven by the increases in revenue and the net contribution of approximately $2.5 million in NOI from the 9 LTC homes acquired. Q2 NOI margins increased 110 basis points over the prior year period to 12.7%. Our LTC NOI margins are typically higher in the second and third quarters due to the timing of funding increases and spending under the envelope funding system and the timing of wage rate increases under our union agreements. For the trailing 12-month period ended June, our LTC NOI margin, normalized for out-of-period items, was approximately 11.8%, which is more in line with our expectations that margins in LT will remain consistent with these levels in recent years. Turning to our Managed Services segment. The results were impacted by the loss of the Revera management contracts during Q2 of last year following Revera's sale of 30 LTC homes, 9 of which we acquired and are now included in our LTC segment. The number of management contract beds in Extendicare assist dropped 3.8% in Q2 as 2 third-party assist contracts were not renewed during the quarter, partially offset by the new 320-bed Beauclaire home opening in the JV in May. As a result, our Managed Services revenue decreased by $0.6 million to $17.1 million. Despite this reduction, our NOI improved by $0.2 million to $9.9 million, primarily from 8.3% organic growth in SGP clients and our increased management fees from the newly opened homes in the joint venture. Turning to Slide 11. We have significantly enhanced our balance sheet following the acquisition of CBI on April 1. This quarter, we established our new unsecured credit structure, including our successful inaugural senior secured investment-grade credit offering, where we issued $450 million senior unsecured notes priced at 4.345% on a 5-year term maturing in April of 2031. Both company and the notes received a BBB stable rating for Morningstar DBRS. In conjunction with the notes offering and the repayment of the senior secured delayed draw term loan, we amended our senior secured facilities to establish a new $250 million unsecured credit facility. This new facility provides us with lower credit spreads than the previous secured facility and extended the maturity to a new 3-year term ending in April 2029. In addition, we completed a series of repayments on certain Long-Term Care home-related mortgages and loans to address nearer-term maturities, floating rate interest and higher cost debt. This reduces our borrowing costs, improves our maturity profile and provides us with additional flexibility through lower mandatory payments associated with the mortgages and the term loan structures we retired. The result of these changes lowers our weighted average interest rate by 80 basis points to 4.4% and improves our weighted average term to maturity to 5.1 years. Lastly, turning to Slide 12. With the full impact from acquisitions and our capital structure changes now reflected, we exit Q2 in a strong financial position with $208 million in overall liquidity, comprised of $93 million in cash on hand and $115 million available on our unsecured revolving facility. Our pro forma debt to adjusted EBITDA is approximately 2.5x at quarter-end, reflecting the incremental debt in support of our recent acquisitions and the pro forma full year impact on adjusted EBITDA from CBI, which is well ahead of our original estimate of approximately 3.3x post the CBI acquisition at the time we announced the transaction last year. We're very comfortable with leverage at this level, and given our strong free cash flow profile and capital-efficient redevelopment model, we have significant flexibility in considering future capital allocation decisions while maintaining our leverage commensurate with our new BBB Stable rating. With that, I'll pass it back to Mike for his closing remarks.
Michael Guerriere
executiveThank you, David. Our second quarter results reflect the strength of the platform we've built over the past number of years, including a Home Health Care segment that has more than doubled in size. We continue to be very confident about the potential of our Home Care and Long-Term Care platforms and our ability to expand access to care for the growing number of Canadians who depend on us. In the second half of 2026, we will be focused on disciplined execution. We will complete the integration of Closing the Gap, advance the integration of CBI, and continue to progress our redevelopment program, with 5 new homes opening in the next 4 quarters, all without losing sight of the quality imperative that is fundamental to the care we provide to thousands of people who rely on us every day. The demographic trends underpinning our business are relentless in driving demand for care. Our scale, technology platform and the flexibility of our capital structure position us well to meet that demand. Canada's health care system is under significant strain and our services allow us to ease pressure on hospital capacity by delivering care in the settings best suited to each person's needs at the most sustainable cost. We will keep building that capacity, so more Canadians can access the care they need wherever they call home. My sincere thanks to our team members for their unwavering commitment to the residents, patients and individuals we serve. And with that, we welcome any questions that you might have.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Kyle McPhee with ATB Cormark.
Kyle McPhee
analystFirst one for me, just regarding your Home Health Care margins, I understand the small move down versus recent quarters as you go through a round of OpEx investments to support all the growth. Based on your investment needs that you would know, is there more transient margin pressure near term? Or are you kind of back on stable footing now and maybe climbing and leveraging the new cost base going forward from here? And then also, is any of the OpEx investment you're making in anticipation of more Home Health Care M&A that you're eyeing near and midterm?
David Bacon
executiveYes, Kyle. I'd say, to address the last part of your question right away, I think we have said, I think, in the last couple of quarters that we had been running quite hot on organic growth, as we all know. We had talked about the fact that that back office that supports the frontline operations, think of those as schedulers and coordinator supervisors, so not accountants and HR types, but the mid-office that supports the front lines, it's a bit of a step function from a cost perspective there. So we had grown quite significantly with a very rapid organic growth with largely an unchanged back office supporting that front line. So we have made investments. It's mostly people and the related technology costs that come with upsizing that back office. And so we've been doing that over the last couple of quarters. I don't think it's -- it's not in anticipation of any future M&A. It's more to support where we're at from the recent growth and future growth. From a margin perspective, I think the -- our view is unchanged. I think we've always felt that this margin, this business would run 50 to 100 basis points higher than where we were at. When we first started talking about that, we were in the high 12s, and we thought we could be into the -- up into the 13s. I think when that happens, part of it was a function of putting some additional investment in the back office, knowing how fast we are running on organic growth. And so I think there's not -- what I'd say is we still believe that this is a higher-margin business. The timing of when that 50 to 100 basis points will come in moderates with the investments we've had to make in the back office. Obviously, rate increases tie into that. And as we know, yet -- as of yet, there hasn't been an increase or an announcement in Ontario for this year on Home Care. So that obviously factors in. From a long-term perspective though, the largest single cost for the business is later, and we do feel that over time that always will even out from a rate increase perspective so that the businesses maintain an equilibrium with labor costs. So I think I wouldn't read too much into a 60 basis point decline year-over-year this 1 quarter. Our trailing 12 margins in the business are still above 13%. And I think that we still, on a medium-term basis to a longer-term basis, feel that there's margin expansion to come in this business. But I wouldn't get too focused on an individual quarter.
Kyle McPhee
analystYes. Got it. Is it fair to say the step-up -- the phase of the step-up in investment is done now? Or is there more...
David Bacon
executiveWe've made quite a significant move on the headcount. I mean I'd say there's probably not another big step coming. I think it was happening ratably over the first half of this year. So maybe a little bit of normalizing that out. But I think, yes, for the most part, we've made a fairly large step up in the last 6 months on the size of the back office. So I don't expect that trend to continue.
Kyle McPhee
analystGot it. And then just on your onetime costs, they were high in Q2, understandably, given you closed the CBI deal and that had costs associated with it. But one of the components of your onetime cost was integration, which I assume is reoccurring near term as you integrate CBI. You broke that out, it was $1.5 million of integration costs. Is that a good kind of run rate to expect over the next year or so as you integrate CBI or will that step up or down?
David Bacon
executiveNo. I think -- I mean, that might be -- it's-- I think we're looking at $3 million to $4 million a year for the next couple of years. So the $1.5 million in the quarter probably a tad high if you try to annualize that. But it's not a bad -- be in that level of what we're looking at.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Jonathan Kelcher with TD Securities.
Jonathan Kelcher
analystJust sticking on the Home Health Care. What sort of rate increases do you typically get from the Ontario government? And are those like -- has those been consistently annual and it's just delayed this year for whatever reason?
Michael Guerriere
executiveJonathan, we tend to see, as David said, over the long term, that it tracks labor cost inflation. So in our current environment, that's in the 2%, 2.5% kind of range. The rate increases in Home Care in the different provinces don't happen like clockwork. It's not as kind of regular as we see in Long-Term Care where it tends to happen at the same time every year. So there can be some lumpiness. But what we have seen over the long term is that the rate increases track labor cost inflation quite closely.
Jonathan Kelcher
analystOkay. And then are they -- do they work like the Long-Term Care one where you might get a retroactive increase?
Michael Guerriere
executiveYes. We've certainly seen onetime like retroactive payments coming in the past. If you look into our past statements, you can see several examples of that.
Jonathan Kelcher
analystOkay. And then just maybe a different way asking about M&A in the space. When you -- like you've now made these investments to be able to grow or scale up. Ultimately, how much do the investments you've just made let you scale?
Michael Guerriere
executiveWell, the technology platform that we've put in place gives us a lot of scalability. And that's the key element that really allows us to scale up. But to be candid, we modeled, a few years ago when we were looking at this, we modeled on that 6% to 8% annual growth. And we've exceeded that by a lot. And hence, the step function that David talked about that we needed to do. But we have been able to get quite significant annual productivity improvements in our back office because of the technology that we are continuing to introduce. AI is giving us a lot of flexibility now as well, in terms of introducing increased tools for our staff to be able to become more efficient. So we see that efficiency trend continuing. But that's been able to absorb volume growth of 10%, even 15% annually in the past without increasing the headcount in the back office. But when we started getting into the high teens and even up to 20%, that was just exceeding our ability to accommodate that based purely on efficiency gains. And so, hence, the step function head count that we added in the first couple of quarters of this year. But we expect that ability to continue to improve our back-office productivity to extend into the future.
Operator
operatorAnd the next question comes from Lorne Kalmar with Desjardins.
Lorne Kalmar
analystJust back to the billing rate increases, has there ever been an instance where you haven't gotten one at all during a year and then you have a big patch the next year? Or are you still expecting to see something either this quarter or next?
David Bacon
executiveYes. Lorne, I think if you go back far enough, especially coming out of COVID, you would have seen examples both in LTC and Home Care where inflation ran quite hot emerging out of COVID. And there were years where we got a catch-up of -- in Home Care, 6.7% 1 year and then 4% the next. We got an 11% roughly increase catch-up. So there's been quite a bit of volatility with that. But I think that, pre-COVID, LTC was quite regular, as Mike alluded to, like an inflationary increase every year around the same time. We're feeling like we're back to that in LTC over the last couple of years. Home Care has always been a little bit more sporadic in terms of when they do the announcements, even a bit before COVID. So yes, there are conceivably a period of time where you'll have a gap where the increase doesn't come when you want it. But again, over time, we do feel that on a long-term basis, it takes care of itself, it finds that equilibrium, whether it's through a bigger catch-up versus regular. So that -- you would see that pattern if you went back far enough.
Lorne Kalmar
analystYes. I was just trying to get at, like, have you ever had a year where they've given you -- like they just haven't announced an increase for Home Health and then done a big catch-up, versus doing one that's maybe below where inflation acts came in and doing a catch-up? Just trying to get an idea from a modeling standpoint and I guess an outlook standpoint what to expect in terms of top line for the Home Health business.
Michael Guerriere
executiveYes. We have -- it's a bit of a hard question to answer because they make the announcement at different times. So sometimes, we've had announcements in November. Sometimes we've had announcements earlier in the year. So I guess, I would say, yes, is the answer to the question. But then we've always seen a catch-up of some sort when that happens.
Lorne Kalmar
analystGot to love the government. Okay. And then flipping over to the LTC developments. Obviously have a big tranche that's expected to be completed by the by 2Q '27 and you mentioned the Ottawa one you're working towards. Do you expect to announce more developments in the coming quarters to kind of keep that cadence in that 5% to 7% project range, or not?
David Bacon
executiveYes. I think we're definitely advancing projects into 17. As you mentioned, we're aiming to start another one by the end of this year. We are tracking, as we've said in the past, looking to start at least 3 a year on average. So there are -- I'd expect more starts towards the back half of next year just based on kind of our current cadence on moving through the development cycle on a few more of the near-term projects. So we still have that target of trying to have 3 to 4 started per year.
Operator
operatorAnd the next question comes from Tania Armstrong with Canaccord Genuity.
Tania Gonsalves
analystA couple for me. So on now that it's closed and you've completed the investment-grade refinancing, how should we think about your appetite for additional Home Health Care acquisitions versus focusing on that integration over the next couple of years?
Michael Guerriere
executiveWell, at this point, the integration is front and center in our focus, and certainly, for the rest of 2026 will be a key focal point. I think it's going to take us some time to integrate this, and we want to make sure that we do that well. That said, our balance sheet gives us the flexibility to be opportunistic. So we'll certainly evaluate things that may come to our attention. But I'd say that likelihood is that further acquisition activity wouldn't be likely until later next year at the earliest. But never say never. I mean I think if something fits real well with our strategy and came to our attention, we would consider it.
Tania Gonsalves
analystOkay. Excellent. And now that you've had CBI under the umbrella for the quarter, can you just give us a little bit more detail, I guess, on where you are in the integration process? What's been completed? What are the next steps? And whether you're seeing opportunities for revenue or cost synergies beyond what you originally underwrote?
David Bacon
executiveYes. I'd say it's still early days. We are a quarter in. Most of our focus at the moment on the CBI side of things is planning for -- there are a couple of elements of that transaction where there's still some transitional services, a couple of our application platforms where we need separate. So our focus is trying to move off of any transition support, which we think is targeted for the start of next year. Behind the scenes, there's a significant amount of work going on now going through analyzing and breaking down their business region by region, office by office. As we've talked about in the past and what we're doing with CTG, we don't do a big-bang cutover. We move things in a very methodical way piece by piece. So the front, ahead of those integrations, you have to understand the nature of the workforce in those particular geographies, how the union versus nonunion grids might stack up, harmonizing wages and benefits, et cetera. So a lot of planning for that. It is 8, 9x the size [ of ETG ] and it's got some nuances with the SCS business and some other geographies that we need to work through. So the real focus now is all of the planning for that. The better you plan upfront, and we've learned this through lots of examples, the more planning you do upfront on the harmonization and the communications plans, the better the cutovers go. And the immediate focus will be on just weaning ourselves off the last couple of pieces of transitional services, is the focus. And some of this team is doing double duty on CTG and CBI, but we are on track to finish the CTG work by the end of the year. So then that same team gets freed up to then turn their minds to a very methodical process of cutting over the business sort of geography by geography, which will take us some time. And then second part of your question, any different view of revenue or cost synergies. I'd say, at this point, there was never really a revenue synergy aspect of these transactions as much as creating the growth platforms and putting ourselves in the right geographies and the right service types. On the cost side, we still have -- still looking at that target of the $7.4 million of cost side on -- from an exit perspective once the businesses are fully bought together. We still think that's a target that's achievable.
Operator
operatorAnd the next question comes from Giuliano Thornhill with National Bank.
Giuliano Thornhill
analystI just want to go to the funding announcement that recently have been in the collectively $2.2 billion. I know you haven't received details on how that's being [indiscernible] prior episodes, how was that? Like with that being earmarked for operators, I'm just a bit surprised that there was no rate increase this year or thus far.
Michael Guerriere
executiveI think you're talking about the 2 $1.1 billion announcement that the Ontario government made for Home Care?
Giuliano Thornhill
analystThat's correct.
Michael Guerriere
executiveYes. So those were predominantly directed at volume. And so that really is what's making these very rapid organic volume increase as possible. And their decisions about rates are handled through a different process. So we'll see what happens now in the fall economic statement. But the pace of growth continues to be quite fast. And so we're anticipating that they'll continue to be making these investments, but it's impossible to tell at what pace until the announcement comes out.
Giuliano Thornhill
analystGreat. And then is the industry growing at similar rates as yourselves right now, like that mid-teens or so area? Or are you anticipating that you're taking share from competitors?
Michael Guerriere
executiveNo, I think the whole sector is increasing at this pace. I mean one of the things that we observed in our management discussion was the fact that the CBI volume growth pace and the ParaMed volume growth pace have been very similar, despite the fact they've had a little bit of a different kind of mix of services and a little bit of a different geographic distribution, remarkably similar growth patterns. So it does appear to be a sector-wide expansion as opposed to us gaining share from other operators.
Giuliano Thornhill
analystI'm just kind of curious as to why then you're thinking it reverts down to kind of 6% to 8%. I guess, is that like a low base, do you think, relative if this ALC issue kind of persists and there's more funding? I know the demographics are poor, but I'm just kind of trying to determine where that range could trend if the issues persist as they are?
Michael Guerriere
executiveWell, I think the first thing to say about this is that we're using our best knowledge of the industry to guess at what may be ahead. It's really very difficult to project what -- how this may go, because a lot of the demand for services is hidden. It's not easy to quantify it. But that said, I think it's unlikely that a service line in health care will outgrow kind of the expansion and demographics for an extended period of time. So that's why we're looking at it and saying the 4% growth in the demographic that we serve, which is kind of an iron-clad projection, and then the fact that Long-Term Care bed additions are not going to keep pace at that kind of rate, means that that 6% to 8% is where we think that it's going to settle. So where is the rest of the growth coming from? Well, it must be coming from unmet needs and the backlog that is based on the 50,000-person wait list for long-term care in the province and the ALC in acute care hospitals, which we have been [ seeing ] declining for the first time in my experience. So we do see some evidence that the -- that that backlog, which is difficult to quantify, is dropping. So how long it will take before I go back down to the numbers that we're suggesting? We really can't say.
Operator
operatorAnd the next question comes from Pammi Bir with RBC.
Pammi Bir
analystI just wanted to come back to the investments in the back office and the technology side in ParaMed. Were any of those perhaps costs unanticipated or maybe even just brought forward just to sort of get it all done as you focus on the integration of CBI?
David Bacon
executiveYes. I wouldn't say unanticipated. I think we -- I think -- we have a large group that we've talked about in the past that supports the front line. We've largely stayed the same size through '24, '25 with multi high-teen-digit organic growth, which proved out sort of the technology and support. We were able to absorb a lot of that growth. I think we've -- as we've been saying the last couple of quarters, it's -- we need to bolster the size of that team and the resources there. So I wouldn't say it was unexpected. I think we've been talking about needing to do that given the sustained level of organic growth. So I think, again, and it's mostly -- it's just mostly -- it scales with the size of our frontline teams and the level of activity and the referral activity, scheduling activity. So it's mostly people supporting that level of growth. So wasn't necessarily looking ahead to CBI. CBI has their own folks in their back office as well. And that's where some of the opportunities will come when we bring everybody together. And longer term, there's, as we've spoken about in the past, there's definitely future opportunities when we're all on one platform to bring further technology into play and looking at AI, et cetera, for that -- the functions that that back office does. So it's really just trying to get back to equilibrium in that group so that we're servicing and supporting the front lines appropriately given just the volume of activity that we're asking those frontline teams to take on.
Pammi Bir
analystGot it. And then just -- not have to keep beating on this, but the Ontario -- the absence of the Ontario billing rate increases. Are there any discussions at the moment underway with -- by the industry with the ministry in Ontario that would suggest that it's really just a matter of time?
Michael Guerriere
executiveSo there are constant communications back and forth in particular where the industry shares the labor cost inflation, what we're seeing in the labor market, what we're seeing in terms of costs. So the government has complete information to make their decisions. But we generally do not get much forewarning about they're thinking until the announcement comes out. So we don't really have any visibility to when a rate increase might come, but that's not unusual.
Pammi Bir
analystOkay. And then just on CBI, on the integration that you've been working out to date. Have there been any surprises at all or any pain points that might maybe shift your view as to the anticipated accretion on this transaction?
Michael Guerriere
executiveNot at all, actually. If there's been any surprises, it's been on the quality of the team there. They've been an outstanding group. I'm very, very excited about just the level of energy as the 2 teams come together. We're seeing a lot of opportunities. And I think the groups are working well together. So as David said, we still are very confident about the synergies that we projected. And we quantified $7.4 million of synergies that we could readily see. But then we also speculated about further synergies farther out based on the common technology platform and some of the new capabilities that we are pursuing with our vendors. So we're very positive about the way that that's unfolding.
Pammi Bir
analystOkay. And then just on that point, in terms of the -- that $7.4 million, can you just remind us what the sort of time line was for that to get, I guess, to get realized?
Michael Guerriere
executiveWell, we don't feel that those will be fully realized until we complete the integration. And we said it was going to take 18 to 24 months to do the integration. We don't have any further refinement of that projection at this point.
Operator
operatorAnd the next question comes from Tal Woolley with CIBC.
Tal Woolley
analystJust in early days, any hitches serving customers as you've integrated the businesses thus far?
Michael Guerriere
executiveNo. I think the strategy that David described where we do it kind of region by region rather than a big bang allows us to mitigate any hiccups that may occur along the way. The Closing the Gap integration has been quite seamless from a customer perspective. So we're quite happy with the way that that's going. And that's allowed us to develop a really solid playbook for how to do this as we move to the CBI segments. So that's been going quite well.
Tal Woolley
analystAnd no staff communication issues or anything like that? I guess like what I'm trying to get is that like service to the customer and labor the labor team is functioning well, in your opinion?
Michael Guerriere
executiveYes. We haven't seen any increase in quality issues or anything of that sort. And from a staff perspective, our turnover has been dropping for the last few quarters. So retention is improved. So if we were if we were seeing an exodus staff from our acquisitions, that might be a concern. But in fact, we've been seeing the opposite trend. So there's every indication that this is coming together well.
Tal Woolley
analystOkay. And then just with respect to provincial funding, like I guess at this point, like as we're seeing demand surge for the product, like is the bigger worry right now to get the province to commit more of like a higher share of its operating budget to Home Health Care or the rates?
Michael Guerriere
executiveSo I would not describe it as a concern at all. I mean there's a few fundamentals at work here. The first is to remember that we're the lowest cost provider of services to this particular demographic surge. So if the government made a decision not to fund the services that we're providing or not to expand those services, then all of that need would back up into hospitals, which is the most expensive place to provide the services. So I think we have a dynamic in the market that supports the continued expansion of the services that -- to meet that constant kind of demographic need. So as we've talked about, there can be shorter-term kind of considerations that might kind of interrupt the cadence of those rate increases or volume increases that we believe that, over time, those long-run averages are going to prove out the 2 thesis points that our whole business model is built on, which is that 6% to 8% annual growth in volumes and rate increases that track labor costs. So we don't see any indication that that won't continue to be the dynamic that drives the market.
Tal Woolley
analystOkay. That's helpful. David, you're still carrying about $95 million, I think, on the balance sheet in cash. I think since Extendicare sold the retirement business, the cash balance on your balance sheet has been pretty elevated. Just wondering, is that the number you need to be carrying going forward?
David Bacon
executiveNo. Tal, the quick answer is no. I think the short-term answer is we're -- we've just taken on CBI. We want to get a sense of how that factors into the needs and the timing of working cap swings, get used to the new -- some of the new cash flow patterns on the SCS business, which are a little different than what happens on Home Care and Long-Term Care. So I do suspect you'll see us carrying lower balances. And in the immediate term, given the flexibility and we have now with the new structure, we would redirect some of that to the revolver pay down. But no, I don't -- I think that's just where we ended up, but I do think over the next quarter or so and towards year-end, you'll probably see that balance lower. And an obvious place to direct that cash would be to just pay down the revolver draws in the meantime, which would delever us a little bit further.
Tal Woolley
analystPerfect. And can you talk about just the SCS business? Can you just maybe give a little bit of a broader explanation of what that involves, how big a piece it is of the combined puzzle and how it might grow going forward?
Michael Guerriere
executiveYes. SCS was about 20% of the CBI operation. And the business model there is residential homes that are leased and house typically residents with long-term needs. And currently, there's just under 100 of these leased homes in operation, and the services are provided by the Home Care team. So at this point, the pace of growth in that group is something that we're becoming more familiar with. So I don't have a number at this point to suggest, but given what we're seeing in Long-Term Care and the Long-Term Care waiting lists, we feel that a number of people on those waiting lists could be served by this different business model. And the volume that we're currently serving is predominantly western provinces. There's very little in Ontario and provinces east. And so we see potentially quite significant growth opportunities in that segment. But as to what those trend lines might look like, I think it's just too early for us to hazard a guess. Yes.
Tal Woolley
analystGot it. And then I guess just lastly, like when we're talking about the stock with clients, like we're talking to a real estate client, talking about FFO and AFFO, I'm talking to someone else, probably talking about EBITDA and EPS, where ultimately would you like the market to sort of train its eye when we're looking at quarters? And are you thinking longer term about how to sort of present your results to the market? Because obviously, this has been a company in transition for the last several years.
David Bacon
executiveYes, it's a great question, Tal. And we spend a lot of time talking about it. We have been in transition, but I think we feel now we're past that, like we kind of -- we have a view now of kind of our business model and strategy, which is an asset-light base focused on growing the services side and advancing redevelopment in a capital-light model. With the CBI deal now in there, where 2/3 of our NOI is coming from services businesses, and we expect that to grow. Even if we do nothing else other than redevelop the 17 homes, that's going to push more into Managed Services on the services side. So I think what you'll see -- we are thinking about evolving our view and focus. I would say, absolutely moving away from AFFO over time is something that we likely will do. There's a lot of variability down between FFO, AFFO, and we've seen that even this quarter with the DSU treatment. Whether FFO is the right cash flow measure or something that's less real estate kind of looking. But quite frankly, at the FFO level, it's not dissimilar to other free cash flow measures where you could factor in EBITDA less interest and CapEx needs, et cetera. For us, the CapEx is more maintenance related as the big growth CapEx will -- those are more transient because we're doing the growth -- big growth CapEx through the JV off balance sheet. So I do think over time, we're going to try and hopefully tell the story with a focus on EBITDA and a focus on a cash flow measure that doesn't have some of the volatility variability that comes into play, is probably more of a focus for us going forward. But we're also -- we're in and in between. So we've grown our analyst coverage over the last year, as everybody knows, and we've got some new folks that are covering us that aren't sort of coming from the REIT side. And we have folks like yourselves that are evolving their thinking about us together. I do think EBITDA, sort of a cash flow measure that's not AFFO that eliminates some of that noise, that I think is a problem. And hopefully try and bring everybody to focus on consensus numbers that are everybody looking at the same number. We do have a bit of variety out there, which I think sometimes causes some of the disconnect because people are focused on different things. So that's, I think, where we're going, Tal, and you'll start to see us do give more prominence to those measures certainly next year, for sure, as we start thinking about some of that for '27.
Operator
operatorThis concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Jillian Fountain for any closing remarks.
Jillian Fountain
executiveThank you, operator. That concludes our call for today. This presentation is available on our website along with a link to a replay of the call. Thank you all for joining us, and please don't hesitate to reach out if you have any further questions. Goodbye.
Operator
operatorThis concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating, and have a pleasant day.
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