Fair Isaac Corporation (FICO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Second Quarter 2025 FICO Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Dave Singleton, please go ahead.

Good afternoon, and thank you for attending FICO's second quarter earnings call. I'm Dave Singleton, Vice President of Investor Relations, and I'm joined today by our CEO, Will Lansing; and our CFO, Steve Weber. Today, we issued a press release that describes financial results compared to the prior year. On this call, management will also discuss results in comparison with the prior quarter to facilitate an understanding of the run rate of the business. Certain statements made in this presentation are forward looking under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Those statements involve many risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Information concerning these risks and uncertainties is contained in the company's filings with the SEC, particularly in the risks forward (sic) [ risk factors ] and forward-looking statements portions of such filings. Copies are available from the SEC, from the FICO website or from our Investor Relations team. This call will also include statements regarding certain non-GAAP financial measures. Please refer to the company's earnings release and Regulation G schedule issued today for a reconciliation of each of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most comparable GAAP measure. The earnings release and Regulation G schedule are available on the Investor Relations page on the company's website at fico.com or on the SEC's website at sec.gov. A replay of this webcast will also be available through April 29, 2026. I will now turn the call over to our CEO, Will Lansing.

Thanks, Dave. Thank you, everyone, for joining us for our second quarter earnings call. In the Investor Relations section of our website, we've posted some financial highlight slides. We'll be referring to them during this earnings announcement. We had another strong quarter, and we are reiterating our fiscal '25 guidance. As shown on Page 2 of the second quarter financial highlights, we reported quarter 2 revenues of $499 million, up 15% over last year. We reported $163 million in GAAP net income in the quarter, up 25%. We reported GAAP earnings of $6.59 per share, up 28% from the prior year. We reported $193 million in non-GAAP net income in the quarter, up 25% and non-GAAP earnings of $7.81 per share, up 27% from the prior year. As you can see on Page 10, we delivered free cash flow of $65 million in our second quarter. Over the last 4 quarters, we delivered $677 million of free cash flow, which would be an increase of 45% over the trailing 12-month period ending March 31, 2024. We continue to return capital to our shareholders through buybacks by repurchasing 112,000 shares in quarter 2. In our Scores segment, as you can see on Page 6 of the presentation, our second quarter revenues were $297 million, up 25% versus the prior year. On the B2B side, quarter 2 revenues were up 31% versus the prior year, primarily driven by mortgage originations revenues. On the B2C side, quarter 2 revenues were up 6% versus the prior year, primarily driven by revenue from indirect channel partners. Second quarter mortgage origination revenues were up 48% versus the prior year. Mortgage origination revenue accounted for 54% of B2B revenue and 44% of total Scores revenue. Auto origination revenues were up 16%, while credit card, personal loan and other originations revenues were flat versus the prior year. FICO continues to build financial inclusion globally. In the quarter, we announced a Kenya-specific FICO Score. Through our partnership with TransUnion, the FICO Score is part of a credit risk solution, which empowers lenders to serve previously underserved consumers in small-, micro- and medium-sized enterprises. We also continue to raise awareness of financial literacy. One way we do it is by encouraging consumers to manage their financial health by checking their free FICO Score at myfico.com/free. Over the last year, FICO has seen nearly 70% increase in users accessing their free FICO Scores via myFICO. I hope you'll tell all of your friends to get their free FICO Score at myFICO. Most importantly, we continue to focus on innovation. FICO Score Mortgage Simulator is now available for lender use through Xactus, the largest credit reseller in the mortgage industry. Mortgage professionals can leverage valuable insight from the simulator to help drive smarter decisions that can present more loan options and favorable interest rates for customers. We continue to drive strong adoption of FICO Score 10 T for non-GSE loans, and we're seeing strong results from our early adopter program. Lenders who use the classic FICO Score today can receive FICO Score 10 T for free through this program so they can evaluate the advantages before fully moving to utilizing FICO's newest and most predictive score. Lenders in the program have been able to validate the power FICO Score 10 T in real-world mortgage underwriting, loan production, execution and servicing. Refer to the February 24 post in our FICO newsroom to see a list of recent additions to our growing list of FICO 10 T adopters. As of today, we have clients with over $284 billion in annualized mortgage originations and about $1.43 trillion in eligible mortgage portfolio servicing that have signed up for FICO Score 10 T. In our Software segment, we delivered $202 million in quarter 2 revenue, up 2% from the prior year. The revenue increase was driven mainly by growth in license revenue recognized at a point in time, partially offset by a decline in professional services. We continue to drive growth in ARR and NRR through our land-and-expand strategy, with expand driven by increased customer usage. As shown on Page 7, the total ARR was up 3% with platform ARR growing 17% and non-platform ARR declining 3%. Total NRR for the quarter shown on Page 8 was 102% with platform NRR at 110% and non-platform at 96%. ACV bookings for the quarter were $21.8 million compared to $16.8 million in the prior year. In our Software business, we continue to expand our partner channels. FICO recently partnered with Fujitsu, a top digital servicing company in Japan. Together, we will accelerate digital transformation support for Japanese financial institutions, delivering a future of smarter, more connected banking and payments. This quarter, we announced a partnership with dacadoo to bring AI-powered precision to the life insurance industry. dacadoo is a Swiss-based technology company that develops solutions for digital health engagement and health risk quantification. By integrating FICO Platform with dacadoo's health risk quantification risk engine, we create a solution that enables insurers to target their life insurance product-specific profiles. This allows dacadoo to design highly personalized insurance products for their customers using advanced decision science. Later in the call, I'll talk about our upcoming FICO World Conference, but first, let me pass it to Steve to provide further financial details.

Thanks, and good afternoon, everyone. As Will mentioned, we had another good quarter with total revenue of $499 million, an increase of 15% over the prior year. Scores segment revenues for the quarter were $297 million, up 25% from the prior year. B2B revenues were up 31%, driven primarily by mortgage originations revenues. Our B2C revenues were up 6% versus the prior year due to increased revenue from our indirect channel partners. Software segment revenues for the quarter were $202 million, up 2% from the prior year. On-premises and SaaS software revenue grew 4% year-over-year, while professional services declined 9%. We do expect Q3 professional services revenue to increase from the Q2 level. This quarter, 86% of total company revenues were derived from our Americas region, which is a combination of our North American and Latin America regions. Our EMEA region generated 9% of revenues and the Asia Pacific region delivered 5%. Our total software ARR was $715 million, a 3% increase over the prior year. Platform ARR was $235 million, representing 33% of our total Q2 '25 ARR, up from 29% of total Q2 '24 ARR. Platform ARR grew 17% versus the prior year, while non-platform declined 3% to $480 million this quarter. We did see some CCS usage headwinds, both platform and non-platform, as some customers chose to either delay or downsize some of their customer outreach programs due to macro volatility. Our platform land-and-expand strategy continues to be successful. Our dollar-based net retention rate in the quarter was 102%, platform NRR was 110%, while our non-platform NRR was 96%. Platform NRR was driven by a combination of new use cases and increased usage of existing use cases. Our software ACV bookings for the quarter were $21.8 million compared to $16.8 million in the prior year. We have a healthy pipeline for the back half of this fiscal year. Turning now to our expenses for the quarter, as shown on Page 5 of the financial highlight presentation. Total operating expenses were $253 million this quarter versus $260 million in the prior quarter, a decrease of 3%. We expect expenses to be moderately higher in the back half of the year due mainly to our FICO World event and other marketing activities. Our non-GAAP operating margin, as shown in our Reg G schedule, was 58% for the quarter compared with 53% in the same quarter last year. And this means we delivered non-GAAP operating margin expansion of 450 basis points year-over-year. GAAP net income this quarter was $163 million, up 25% from the prior year's quarter. Our non-GAAP net income was $193 million for the quarter, up 25% from the prior year's quarter. GAAP earnings per share this quarter were $6.59, up 28% from the prior year, and our non-GAAP earnings per share were $7.81, up 27% from the prior year. The effective tax rate for the quarter was 23.7%, and the operating tax rate was 24.9%. For the full year, we believe our net effective tax rate will be around 22% and our recurring tax rate will be around 26%. Free cash flow for the quarter was $65 million, a 6% increase from the prior year. Free cash flow was $677 million over the last 4 quarters, an increase of 45% over the trailing 12-month period ended March 31, 2024. Our accounts receivable balance was up this quarter due to the timing of some large payments that were not received until early April. We anticipate our free cash flow will accelerate in the second half of this fiscal year. At the end of the quarter, we had $192 million in cash and marketable investments. Our total debt at quarter end was $2.53 billion with a weighted average interest rate of 5%. Currently, 51% of our total debt is fixed rate. Our floating rate debt is prepayable at any time giving us the flexibility to use free cash flow to reduce outstanding floating rate debt balances in future periods. Turning to return of capital. We bought back 112,000 shares in the second quarter at an average price of $1,849 per share. We continue to view share repurchases as an attractive use of cash. And with that, I'll turn it back to Will for closing comments.

Thanks, Steve. The macroeconomic environment remains fluid, but our strategy and execution remained consistent. We are well positioned for this fiscal year and remain confident in the fiscal year guidance that we've provided. Our continued innovations drive significant value to our customers. This quarter, we announced several examples. iA Financial Group leverages FICO Platform for expanding insurance underwriting. Nationwide's adoption has led to increased speed in credit decisioning and rollout of new strategies. Lloyds Bank has increased credit card approvals and new-to-bank consumer loan approvals. Next week, we're hosting FICO World in Hollywood, Florida, where many of our customers will highlight their own success stories from adopting FICO offerings. Four-day event brings together customers and prospective customers from around the globe to discuss the benefits of making real-time decisions at scale through the power of FICO Platform. Customers will explain the benefits of optimizing interactions with consumers using FICO Platform. Those customers are realizing improved profits, increased customer acquisition and retention, reduced costs, growth in new product offerings and improved employee efficiency. The event will showcase FICO Platform demonstrations and have exciting announcements related to bringing innovation to the market. Some of the content from FICO World will be available in the coming weeks on our YouTube channel. I'd encourage all of you to view the demonstrations and presentations to better understand our customers' excitement around this innovative technology. With that, I'll turn it back to Dave to open up the questions.

Thanks, Will. This concludes our prepared remarks, and we're now ready to take questions. Operator, please open the lines.

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Manav Patnaik with Barclays.

Will, typically, this is your kind of beat and raise type quarter. So I just wanted some perspective on how you thought results came in versus your expectations? And it sounds like everyone else is just holding the guide given the potential uncertainty. Is that what you're thinking along those lines as well?

Yes, I think that's exactly it. I think we're in an environment with a little more uncertainty than expected. And as usual, we remain conservative though. There's ample time to raise guidance when we're more confident about it, and we're comfortable with where we are.

And then somewhat of a follow-up, I guess, on the software side, I mean, you guys were pretty confident in the reacceleration of software. So I was just hoping you could give us some context on platform. And then even non-platform was down this quarter, so just curious what's happening there.

Yes. I think I'd put that in the same category of macroeconomic factor. What we see on the non-platform side is a little lower, I should say, not lower usage but lower growth in usage of CCS. And I think that reflects our customers' conservatism around the macro environment. And I remain confident that our growth rate on the platform side will be strong, will continue to be strong, will strengthen from where it is today. As you know, we don't work quarter-to-quarter. Deals slip. We're okay with that. We -- our customers and our salespeople know that we don't go to extraordinary lengths to try to close deals by quarter end. And so I think there's all those factors at play. But I think the business is still quite healthy, and we feel good about it.

Our next question comes from George Tong with Goldman Sachs.

Wanted to see if you can talk a little bit about whether you've seen any changes in credit origination volumes through April given all the macro uncertainty out there. And if current trends persist, if you can point to where in your guidance range you would expect to land.

We haven't seen a lot of change there. But remember, we're a lagging indicator.

And in terms of the guidance, I mean, we're comfortable with where we are in the guidance. I mean one of the reasons we probably didn't change our guidance this quarter is that there's a lot of uncertainty, right? This can go a lot of different directions. We're confident in our guidance number, but it's difficult to know with as much volatility as there is even what we would change it to if we were to change it. So we're sticking with what we have.

Okay. Got it. That's helpful. And then following up on the platform software business. ARR growth decelerated. You mentioned that was due to macro factors. Can you talk about how much visibility you have into reacceleration in platform growth? And will it take macro conditions improving to drive the growth to reaccelerate? Or do you have internal idiosyncratic drivers that can get that growth higher?

We have some level of visibility because we obviously booked the deals ahead of when the revenue is recognized. So I would say, we do have some visibility, and that's part of my optimism about the business. But I think it is tempered by the macro environment. And so sometimes that means deals take longer to close. We haven't experienced this yet, but you never know. Deals might not happen because of the macro environment. So we have the conservatism that goes with that. But in terms of visibility, our visibility says our business is healthy and should reaccelerate.

Our next question comes from Jeff Meuler with Baird.

Steven Pawlak on for Jeff. Just on that point, are you seeing any changes in the customer approach towards the platform sales cycles, things -- are you seeing longer cycles, longer decision times? Any changes in sort of the contract terms or anything around that?

Not so far. So I would say that -- we've talked about this in the past. The platform is increasingly a strategic purchase by our customers, and it's part of a bigger strategic plan to be more consumer-focused and to optimize all kinds of interaction with the consumer. So I wouldn't say we're immune from macro conditions, but I do think that we're such a critical part of the strategy for our customers that it's not really going to the back burner. It's not getting canceled just because conditions are not perfect. That said, that's today and who knows how that affects us in the future. But today, we're not seeing it. The deal cycles have not really slowed. No.

Okay. And then on sort of the insurance partners -- or customers that you've announced, if you could just talk about the go to market for some of the nonfinancial services customers, is that direct? Is that through partners? Kind of maybe what's driving maybe some of the traction in some of the nonfinancial services segments?

It's both. It's both. But as you know, we have been putting increasing emphasis on our indirect channel. And so there is more activity there, and we are getting more deals outside of our direct sales force.

Next question comes from Simon Clinch with Redburn Atlantic.

I was wondering if we could just go back to your comments that nothing's really changed in terms of client behavior or volumes through April. But I was wondering if we could perhaps break it down, if -- was that an overall comment around sort of the aggregate level of volumes? Or is there any sort of detail at the sort of vertical level, which you can share with us?

You're talking about the Scores business?

Yes, sorry, in Scores.

So I mean, honestly, we don't have real-time data, frankly. I mean you'd be better off getting information from the bureaus on that. They can track it on a day-to-day basis. We -- as Will said, we get our reporting in arrears. So we have some anecdotal information, but we don't happen to have the real data today with us.

okay. Understood. And then just a secondary, going back to the Software business. And I mean the booking strength was notable this quarter. That's sort of maintained despite everything that's going on. I just wonder if you could give us a little context around pipeline build and that sort of touching on the demand side as opposed to just the deals slipping.

The demand side is strong. The pipeline is strong. The current bookings, as you can see, are strong. So it's all in a good direction.

Yes. I mean, again, where we saw the headwinds were on CCS, and it's just about how a lot of our existing customers are reaching out to their consumers. And if their accounts, growth slows down, then you're going to see a slowdown in CCS volumes. So a lot of this is -- it has nothing to do with the products necessarily. It's just about how they interact with their consumers.

Our next question comes from Jason Haas with Wells Fargo.

I'm curious if you could give us any sense for what sort of price increase you took in auto, just so we can get a sense for maybe in the quarter, how much was volume versus price driven since there was an acceleration there.

We don't comment on price increases until we make them.

Well, the -- are you talking about the ones that are already made, the ones that we have this quarter? So there's definitely an impact from the pricing, what we've done so far.

Oh, I see. Of course, yes. I mean as the price increase feathers in, as it becomes recognized over the course of the year, price becomes a bigger component -- change in price becomes a bigger component of our revenue increase. And so yes, that is happening as we speak.

But we don't specifically call out the percentage of price increase versus volume increase.

Got it. Okay. That's fair. And then as a follow-up, it looks like the growth in personnel expense has maybe moderated a little bit. I wasn't sure if that was just timing where you're finding some efficiencies there.

Yes, that doesn't even have anything to do with head count. In essence, there was -- some of it's around fringe. Some of it's around some of our truing up our supplemental retirement plan. So it has nothing to do with head count per se. It has more to do with some of the fringe costs around that. So we got a benefit this quarter that we probably won't have next quarter of a few million dollars.

Next question comes from Faiza Alwy with Deutsche Bank.

I wanted to ask about the Scores business. It looks like there was pretty substantial increase in the nonorigination of B2B Scores revenue, and I'm curious if there was something specific that you can point to there.

There's just a lot of -- I mean nothing really anything in particular. There's a lot of things that were kind of -- some of it's in some license sales and some in the international markets. Some of it's a little bit more of a prescreen. There's just a lot of things. Nothing specific to call out, but there's just a lot of things that kind of added to the nonoriginations this quarter.

Okay. Understood. And then, Will, I wanted to ask you about...

We do have some of those -- I was just going to say, we do have a lot of -- quarter-to-quarter, we do have some fluctuation in that number. So there will always be some quarters there are a little bit higher than others.

Okay. Okay. Will, I wanted to ask you about just the regulatory environment. There's obviously been a lot of shifts postelection, and you've had some of these new regulators settle into their new roles. So curious how you're thinking about the evolving situation, if you've had any conversations. And anything you can share in terms of your perspective there?

Well, we're always in conversations with the appropriate regulators and agencies and nothing has really changed. We continue to be in touch with them and talk about our industry and how we ought to go forward with it. I would say that the regulatory environment is a good one for FICO. We're pleased with where we are. It's all basically good news for us.

Our next question comes from Surinder Thind with Jefferies.

Well, maybe could you possibly comment on just kind of the DBNRR number? Obviously, it slowed down a little bit. But is there a way to disaggregate the client behavior there in the sense that is it clients have stopped or slowed down kind of the implementation of use cases in the current environment? Or is it more a case of they're just running existing use cases maybe less frequently?

Yes. I would say usage itself. We're not losing customers. And they're not postponing what they do, but things that are usage-based, we're seeing less usage. And I really think that's an ebb and a flow thing. It has to do with the environment.

Got it. That's helpful.

And Surinder, in most cases, it's not like they're really declining. In a lot of cases, it's just not growing as fast as they were in the past.

Yes. I stand corrected there. It's just the growth rate has slowed down, and it was this idea of whether clients are just slower to maybe adopt new use cases as we move from one division to the next, to the next as well, right, versus just...

I don't know it's so much that. I think it's more of the usage itself. I really think it's an environmental factor.

Got it. And then maybe a question for you, Steve. Just on the expenses, the SG&A numbers, how do we think about the run rate excluding the expenses that are associated with the FICO World Conference?

Yes. So we will have higher expenses in the back half of the year. We do -- obviously, at FICO World, we have some marketing expenses is primarily on the Scores side that we've got in the back half of the year that will add some more expense to it. We're adding head count as well, but it's not all that dramatic. As we've said, obviously, for several quarters, we are having a head count where we can bring in good people, but it doesn't -- it's not all that material. So from that point of view, you're not going to see a lot of increase in expenses.

Got it. So excluding FICO World, not a material increase in expenses in the back half.

I'm sorry, say that again.

So excluding FICO World, not a material increase in expenses because that's a big onetime line item, right?

Yes. I mean there's other expenses that we'll have some marketing expenses, too. So I mean if you look at what's implied in the guide, there is additional expenses that will be in the back half of the year. But obviously, FICO World is a big part of that.

Our next question comes from Ashish Sabadra with RBC.

I just wanted to ask a question on software as well. How do we think about the timing of converting some of that ACV? We've seen pretty strong ACV in the first half of '25, the timing of that converting over to ARR.

It's probably 9 months -- 6 to 9 months before the conversion takes place. It depends on the individual customer. Some customers, if they're a little more sophisticated, they're easier to implement. It could be a little bit quicker than that. But usually, it's in that 6- to 9-month range.

And then, Ashish, it does take 3 months to kind of ramp that up, so you could -- I kind of think of it more like 9 to 12 when it's fully ramped, but Steve's right, 6 to 9 when it kind of kicks off.

That's very helpful color. And maybe just a quick clarification on the auto origination revenues. There was a comment there during the Q&A about pricing getting feathered in. So if our understanding is right, there was only partial benefit of pricing in the quarter, and we should continue to see that incremental benefit as we go forward. Is that a right assumption?

Yes. I mean, well, auto is the same as everything else. So we priced it effective January 1. Sometimes it doesn't all roll in right away on January 1. So sometimes, it takes a little bit of time for the full benefit of that to hit. But auto pricing is the same way as mortgage and auto -- mortgage and credit card as well.

Our next question comes from Kyle Peterson with Needham.

Wanted to start on the buyback and capital allocation. Historically, you guys have been fairly steady and formulaic as to how much you guys have returned to shareholders. Obviously, we seem to be in a more volatile equity market environment. How are you guys kind of thinking about balancing, returning cash to shareholders versus potentially being like opportunistic and maybe stepping up a little bit more if we do get some short-term blips? Any color there on how you guys are thinking about that would be really helpful.

Our philosophy there has not really changed. We've said in the past and continues to be true that we're not market timers. We have a big view of the future value of our company, the value today and the future value. And so we're really committed to the stock buyback. And we don't spend a ton of time thinking about is this a great time to back up the truck versus should we stay out of the market because it feels pricey. We pretty much buy consistently, and we're pretty happy with that. That said, there have been times in our history, as you know, where we felt like the market was punishing us with a bad understanding of our prospects. And so we -- although we've historically tried to match our free cash flow to our stock purchases, there have been times when we have exceeded that by quite a bit. And for a 1- to 2-year period, we did just a few years ago. And that's not out of the question. I think you'll see us continuing to buy regularly into the future. And as opportunities present themselves, we do sometimes heavy up.

Okay. That's really helpful. And then maybe a follow-up on software. I know several other guys have asked about this. But any color on kind of what you guys are seeing maybe a little more under the hood? Is some of the sales cycle changes and such -- have there been any changes in like -- whether it's like by geographies or bank size or anything like that over the last like, call it, 2 months or something? Or is a lot of the decision-making pretty consistent with what you guys have historically seen and kind of shared on recent calls before this?

No, I don't think we've seen any real -- any discernible trends that way. And actually, if you look at the bookings, they've been pretty good. So where we've seen some slowdown is in some of the usage. But we haven't really seen any changes in behavior with -- depending on region or geography or type of -- size of bank.

Our next question comes from Josh Dennerlein with BofA Securities.

Just wanted to touch base on the platform. I know you are continually rolling out new solutions on that side. Could you remind us what you're rolling out solution-wise this year on the platform? And then just maybe provide some context on how, when you've added solutions in the past, it's just impacted growth.

Yes, we -- well, so I would say that the largest number of solutions and use cases are related to the credit risk life cycle and things that we've historically done with our legacy applications, so originations, line management, that sort of thing. I would say that our fraud solutions on the platform are still in process. So some of the fraud solutions are available on the platform. Some new ones are available on the platform that you couldn't get before. And some of the old ones are not available yet. So I would say that's more of a work in progress in terms of where we are. I would expect that virtually all of our fraud solutions will be available on the platform next year.

And Josh, there will be announcements about innovation on FICO Platform at Fico World.

Okay. Appreciate that, Dave. Is there -- do you guys...

I would encourage anyone who's interested to -- if you're not attending FICO World, check out the FICO World YouTube videos because we'll go into a lot of detail on what's being released.

You guys typically end up getting -- like with people who are coming to FICO World, do you see like a sales growth bump from that? Does that convert to a lot of sales?

Oh, yes, absolutely. I would say that it's our #1 sales pipeline building effort. What happens is we put a ton of energy into making available all of our top technical personnel so that customers, prospective customers can really get a deep understanding of what we can do for them. We couple that with meeting other customers who have implemented our solutions. And there's a lot of transfer of knowledge, and frankly, we don't do a lot of selling. It's really being done by our customers explaining to other customers and potential customers what they're doing and where they're having success and where they're not. So it used to be just a show and tell, and now I would say that most of the customers who come get a very personalized, customized several days focused specifically on the needs of their bank, the needs of their financial institution and how we best can serve them and typically, with references and introductions to other customers who've already done what they'd like to do. So it winds up being a huge channel pipeline building activity.

Our next question comes from Scott Wurtzel with Wolfe Research.

Just one for me. The color on some of the channel partners that you're working with in the Software business is helpful. Just wondering how you feel overall about the partner network in the Software business and how that's running right now.

We continue to believe it's a big opportunity for us. We don't have as much indirect sales as we would like, and we continue to invest in the indirect channel with a view to increasing it. We've talked about this in the past. We have a really dynamite direct sales force. That said, it's quite small. If you compare our IP with our distribution strength in direct sales, it's fairly obvious that those are mismatched. And although we're taking a lot of initiative around that, we're adding salespeople, we're growing our direct sales, we recognize that the real opportunity is to expand the indirect sales. And so we have. We've been investing in it. We have a lot of people working on it right now and for different kinds of things. We have geographic reach that's occurring. We have diversification into nonfinancial services verticals. We have work going with SIs. And interestingly, the work with the SIs is not just the transfer of our professional services work to them, but they're actually taking our IP and building proprietary solutions for themselves that they use with their customers. And so I think it's really nice. It's a partnership where we get the professional services extra capacity, if you want to call it that, coupled with them as a channel, a true channel for moving our IP to market.

Our next question comes from Kevin McVeigh with UBS.

Great. Would you expect some of the -- this lower kind of usage in CCS to kind of capture that in the back half of this year? Or is that something that you think potentially gets pushed out to '26?

Wow, your guess is as good as ours. It's just so hard to say. Our business is built around doing some amount of kind of base level revenue for getting something underway and then built on usage. And we can't really control the usage except to the extent that we teach our customers how to get more value out by expanding the usage. But kind of the economic activity level of the usage is something we can't really control. And I don't really have visibility there. I don't know which way it goes.

It's helpful. And then with the partner channel on the implementation work, is that explaining some of the recent trends in the professional services? Because it seems like the bookings have really scaled. Or is it just the size of the bookings? Just trying to reconcile the professional services trends against, obviously, what's been pretty good bookings overall.

Yes. I would say this quarter, some of it was actually timing. We had some milestones that had to be met in order to reclaim the revenue, and it ticked over from March into April. So there's a little bit of a timing there. You will probably see the -- I think we even referenced this in the prepared remarks, that we expect the PS -- actually, the revenue to come up a little bit in the back half and even in our third quarter.

Our next question comes from Matthew O'Neill with FT Partners.

Many good questions asked and answered here. So I thought I would open -- ask a more open-ended one just around sort of strategic priorities. But recognize that FICO World is next week, so whatever you may be willing to preview as far as kind of the focus for the remainder of the year and beyond would be really interesting.

Well, I think what you'll see at FICO World is a whole bunch of new capabilities. You'll see a little bit more on the way we're using AI. On the Scores side, you'll see some of the innovation that we have coming. We're just gearing up on FICO 11, so you'll get a little taste of that. So those are the kinds of things that we expect to be announcing next week.

And I'm not showing any further questions at this time. And as such, this does conclude today's presentation. You may now disconnect, and have a wonderful day.

Thank you.

Thank you.