Fingerprint Cards AB (publ) (FINGB) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

April 21, 2021

Nasdaq Stockholm SE Information Technology earnings 70 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good morning. Thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Fingerprints Q1 2021 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Stefan Pettersson. Please go ahead.

Stefan Pettersson

executive
#2

Good morning, and welcome to Fingerprint Cards earnings call, following the release of the Q1 report yesterday. My name is Stefan Pettersson. We'll begin the call with a presentation of the report by the CEO, Christian Fredrikson; and then by our CFO, Per Sundqvist. And following this, we'll have a Q&A session. And if you're following the conference call on the web, you can post questions throughout this call. And for those of you participating on the phone conference, you will get instructions on how to ask questions by the operator before we get into that session. And with that, I now hand over to our CEO, Christian Fredrikson.

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#3

Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the call, which will focus on Fingerprint's progress and performance in the first quarter. I'm sorry about the short notice we gave you for this call. But as you know, the company decided to release the report earlier than previously communicated since the work to complete the report could be finalized earlier than planned. So if we start with the financials. I have to say that I'm very pleased with the 32% revenue increase in constant currency compared to the same quarter last year. Our gross margin also improved to 29%. The last months have been a turning point for us, and we are now back to growth. We achieved this despite the prevailing semiconductor shortage in the world, which has affected us, as we have said earlier. The demand for our product and products remained strong in the first quarter. Our limiting factor is really the supply chain constraints, and we do see continued challenges in this area, as I'm sure you are aware what's happening globally also. We are continuing to work hard to secure additional capacity, and we are making progress. This is a priority for us, and we have many improvements going on in this area, but it takes time, and as we have said, that we are making progress. As we have communicated in earlier reports, our product mix has been improving, and this trend has a positive impact on our gross margin this quarter. This is mainly because of the new innovative products, which I am very proud of. And our team has performed well with the new launches. Our profitability also benefited from continued high sales from inventory, continued effective cost control and also a certain positive currency effect in relation to Q4. Next slide, please. We are continuing to make good progress against our strategic priorities. Starting with the mobile area. Demand is strong for our new innovative products. The newest addition, FPC1542, is doing very well. During the first quarter, the first smartphones in the world that have a curved side-mounted fingerprint sensor were launched. This FPC1542 sensor is an innovation made possible by our unique capacitive technology combined with our advanced matching algorithm. We will keep investing in driving innovation in the mobile area. Increased sales of our new products is also having a positive impact on our gross margin, as I just said. Demand for our new product for the PC area is also strong. As previously communicated in January, we could announce the first major purchase order for our new PC solution for several hundred thousand sensors. In Q1, the first computer with this solution launched, the RedmiBook Pro 15 from Xiaomi. Several more products from leading PC manufacturers are going to launch using our sensor solution. And we expect continued favorable growth in the market for fingerprint sensors for computers, partly due to the fact that increased remote working accelerates demands for secure authentication for PCs. I am very pleased with our progress in the PC area, and this is clearly becoming a key new area for us. We announced some good news in the access area during the quarter as well. Pinaka Innovation Private Limited, an Indian digital lock manufacturer, has launched biometric-enabled locks, named Q Touch, for wardrobe and cabinets. The locks integrate our FPC BM-Lite module for a seamless and secure authentication experience for private homes and commercial areas. Also, technology provider and smart card manufacturer, CardLab, and a software house, TrustSec, released a dual interface biometric FIDO2 card that features Fingerprint's T-Shape sensor module for a secure tokenized authentication. FIDO2 is a strong tool for digital access. And by integrating it in biometric card, it will enable passwordless authentication and protect individuals' identity and enterprises against unauthorized access. Finally, we also had a major achievement in the payments area. More about this soon, which is then going to the next slide, please. Fingerprints and Fime have collaborated to achieve compliance with Mastercard's reference specification for the most recent generation of Fingerprint's T-Shape sensor module and software platform for biometric payment cards. This is significant because it will simplify the approval process for card producers, which in turn will save time and money when they start and scale up biometric card projects. The latest generation of our T-Shape sensor module represents a significant step forward, both in terms of performance and cost efficiency. While delivering improved image quality and speed as well as better power efficiency, the design of this new module will also significantly reduce the total cost of producing a biometric payment card. The competitiveness of the new T-Shape in terms of performance and total biometric card cost is already world-leading. The new T-Shape will reach a price below USD 3 in volume production. Also, Fingerprint's close partnership with key ecosystem partners, such as leading secure element and inlay producers as well as card producers, enable the optimization of various components in relation to each other. This makes it possible to reduce the complexity of the inlay by also simplifying the production process. Fingerprint Cards products are known for their power efficiency. Neither the second or the first generation of T-Shape module require a separate power management unit, which is called PMU, as our harvesting functionality in the card secure element is sufficient. In addition, the upgraded T-Shape is even simpler to integrate into the standard automated card manufacturing process, using our proven and industry-accepted packaging XXon revealXX in dual roles. Now this will increase throughput, reduce waste and lower the embedding cost for card producers. In addition, a significant breakthrough with the new T-Shape and its associate software is that it enables both fingerprint extraction and matching to a core in the secure element, removing the need for including an MCU and further simplify the card architecture. Now the new T-Shape supports secure transmission such as integrity protection and encryption. And we will, of course, continue developing to reach a total card cost below USD 3 by 2026 and above in high volumes, as our strategy is. And next slide, please. We have now entered the commercial rollout phase of biometric cards, albeit still in limited volumes. To date, we have seen 3 launches. Cornèr Bank was the first in Switzerland, followed by BNP Paribas, and now the latest launch by Crédit Agricole in France. So far, user feedback has been favorable. After having tried the card, BNP Paribas customers were even more positive towards using their fingerprints to pay contactless. The initial deployment of around 15,000 card has been a great success, and the bank is preparing to roll out the offer to all their customers in the very near future. Finally, now Crédit Agricole has successfully launched with a few thousand biometric cards so far, so-called soft launch, and are planning to extend the offer nationwide later in this summer. Next slide, please. On Crédit Agricole, this is, of course, over the public years that they have also stated themselves. Let me also highlight the FPC1542, a very important addition to our product portfolio. This is a new volume product for the mobile segment, based on earlier versions in the same product family, intended for side mounting on a smartphone. The FPC1542 is a slim and curved capacitive touch sensor, which works very well in the latest smartphone models. This is an innovation enabled by our unique capacitive technology, once again, combined with excellent work on with the algorithm and the team from there. As demand for side mountains touch sensors grows, the curve sensor offers OEMs enhance design flexibility while you improve the user experience, with a seamlessly integrated sensor that can double as power button or volume control or be used to operate the camera's shutter and to scroll. It has been very well received, and the first smartphones integrating the sensor were launched in the first quarter. As I already said, this, of course, is the product that is contributing to a positive mix and impact on our margins. Next slide, please. I've said earlier as well that we have a very positive view on the development of the market for biometric solutions in the years to come. I do have to say that I feel bullish about the coming years with biometric. We are still only the infancy of development in a uniquely interesting industry of the future. Fingerprint intends to continue to play a leading role. And we are planning for volume growth in the next few years, significant, particularly in XXprioritizedXX areas outside the mobile industry. We are focusing on driving product innovation in the most promising growth areas, which I just went through. Now we also made some organizational adjustment in order to support this growth agenda. The world's top payment card producers are all based in Continental Europe, while most of largest smartphone OEMs are headquartered in Asia. We have then created 2 regional offices, one in Shanghai, China, and the other one in Zug, Switzerland. The Shanghai office is our center for mobile business line, and the office in Zug is our payments and access business line center. Shanghai being the most important economic, financial trade and shipping hub in China is close to our major customers and partners in the mobile industry, while Zug has become a well-respected and established hub in the payments marketplace. We are also setting up sales and distribution hub in Singapore to streamline inventory management and realize economies of scale in our distribution operations. This distribution center will own our inventory as well as invoice customers and pay suppliers. This is an important step for us in terms of also managing the whole supply chain for us, which has become so much more important. As we enter the next phase in Fingerprint's development, I believe that close collaboration and proximity to key customers and suppliers and partners as well as the critical talent will be even more crucial for our success and growth. I'm sure this will benefit our operations. This parent company, as we have said earlier, is listed is NASDAQ Stockholm will remain in Sweden with other main functions already present in Sweden. Next slide, please. So in summary, the positive trend continued in Q1, with a 32% constant currency revenue growth rate compared to Q1 last year. We see healthy demand in the core mobile area as well as in emerging areas like PCs. The first computer launch with our new PC solution is a milestone, and there will be many more in the quarters ahead. It is gratifying that we improved our gross margin, driven by an improving product mix as well as by continued high sales from inventory and continued effective cost control. The fact that the most recent generation of our T-Shape sensor module and software platform achieved compliance with Mastercard's reference specification is also a significant development because it will simplify the approval process for card producers and our customers. And of course, it is just simply a great product. Despite current supply chain challenges, which will continue in the market, our strong market position provides me with a bright view of the future, and we remain strongly committed to our strategic priorities. And with that, let me hand over to Per Sundqvist. Thank you.

Per Sundqvist

executive
#4

Thank you, Christian, and good morning, everyone. Let's move to the first slide in the financial results section, please. Starting with our revenue. We reported a 14% increase compared to the corresponding quarter last year and a 32% increase in constant currency terms, which should be compared to the previous quarter, our revenue was flat in constant currency. Demand for our products is still very strong, as Christian mentioned, and the improving product mix have had a positive impact on our gross margin, which came in at 29% in the quarter, a 5 percentage point increase compared to this last year same period. We're reporting a positive operating profit, amounting to SEK 1.7 million, and also a positive net income of SEK 7.5 million. This is mainly a reflection of a very positive trend in the mobile area, with an increased proportion of new products. Next slide, please. If we then look at the development of revenue and gross margin on a 12-month rolling basis, we can clearly see the impact of the supply chain limitation Christian mentioned, and that we have been experiencing over the last few quarters. The situation eased somewhat in the last 2 quarters, although we do expect continued challenging and challenges within the supply chain. The situation is most significant limiting factor we see at the moment, as the market demand for our products and solutions continues to be very strong. The positive gross margin trend strengthened this quarter, and as we stated in the report, a more favorable product mix contributed the most to this improvement. In addition, we continued to have high sales from our inventory. This, coupled with a high focus on procurement and sales prices, has supported the gross margin situation. We are as always continuing our efforts to improve profitability and the supply chain capacity, paired with a relentless drive to innovate new products. We are also continuously increasing our efficiency by diversifying our business into new customer segments and application areas. Next slide, please. Then if we then turn and look at our operating expenses for the first quarter, they were in the area of SEK 100 million, which could be compared to SEK 92 million in Q1 last year. The increase year-on-year is mainly within our R&D department and the investment area. And that is due to the fact that since we have increased our product development projects and also increased our investments relating to broadening of our supplier base, both types are investments are deemed to be very important to support and grow our business going forward. Development costs of SEK 19 million were capitalized during the quarter, which corresponds to 33% of total development costs and should be compared to 31% for the corresponding quarter last year. Please note in this circumstance that Q1 and Q4 typically every year have a seasonal effect, whereby the capitalization percentage usually is lower due to lower product activity, that is less capitalized cost out of the expense line in the P&L. Q1, slightly more so than Q4. We will, as always, maintain a strong focus on cost and capital efficiency going forward and at the same time making the necessary investments to continuously drive the company growth. Next slide, please. Our core working capital, that is accounts receivables plus inventory and less accounts payables, was SEK 147 million at the end of the quarter, which should be compared to SEK 267 million in the same quarter last year and SEK 132 million last quarter. The increase compared to last quarter is slightly to -- slightly higher accounts receivables. We, of course, continue to work also very actively to manage our working capital in the same manner as with the cost. Next slide, please. Our cash flow from operating activities was a positive SEK 36 million this quarter, which is to be compared with a negative SEK 38 million in Q1 last year. Our cash position stood at SEK 314 million versus SEK 485 million in the same quarter last year and SEK 377 million at the end of Q4 2020. Own shares have been purchased for SEK 241 million since the end of Q1 2020. During the quarter, we, as I've mentioned above already, we continue to focus our working capital -- on our working capital, plus, we also have increased our focus on sales and purchase price control, and pair that with the effective internal cost control, all in all, creating the strong cash flow, and thus enabling overall efficient capital control via the share repurchasing program. And finally, cash flow from investing activities in Q1, meaning capitalized development expenditures, was SEK 23 million compared to SEK 26 million last year same period. Thank you, everyone, and we are now ready to take questions.

Operator

operator
#5

[Operator Instructions] At the moment, we have no questions on the phone lines.

Stefan Pettersson

executive
#6

Okay. Then I think we'll begin by a few questions which were submitted by Francois-Xavier Bouvignies from UBS, who was unfortunately unable to join us in person. So the first one relates to gross margin. Gross margin improved in recent quarters, especially Q1. Do you expect an increase of manufacturing cost in the near term, especially from foundries due to tightness?

Per Sundqvist

executive
#7

Okay. First of all, as I've mentioned and both me -- by me and Christian in the call here, we have a more favorable product mix with a higher share of new products, and that contributed to improving the gross margin during the quarter. Secondly, the profitability also benefited from continued high sales from our inventories and continued effective cost control on procurement prices and sales prices, as well as paired with certain positive currency effects in relation to the preceding quarter. At the same time, having said that, we still have an issue with regards to insufficient access to production capacity. As previously communicated, we are planning for significant volume growth in the next few years, mainly in areas outside of the mobile phone industry. For this reason, the work to continue to broaden our supplier base is very important, and we have intensified our efforts to secure more suppliers on key components within as well as outside of Mainland China. And we are progressing well with this project. We do not however give guidance on margins. But again, reiterating, we are continuing our efforts to improve profitability by driving product innovation, continuously increasing our efficiency, and by diversifying our businesses into new customer segments and application areas.

Stefan Pettersson

executive
#8

So thank you. Next question is on OpEx. OpEx is volatile and difficult to forecast. Can you help us understand what base we should work on going forward? And how do you explain such volatility?

Per Sundqvist

executive
#9

If I then I can start with the second part of the question. The biggest cost component we have in our OpEx is the R&D part. And the R&D is very much so affected by how much we capitalize. That is how much we'll take onto our balance sheet in terms of new projects. That part is driven by the various projects that we have. And as I have mentioned in one of the slides that we showed in the call, that, of course, depends on what we have in the pipeline. Combined with that, there is also the seasonality effect. Q1 and Q4 is typically a time of the year when we have less activities in the project due to, for example, Christmas and the Chinese New Year. So that in combination creates what you -- might be seen as a slight volatility in how the OpEx is showing.

Stefan Pettersson

executive
#10

Okay. Thank you. BNP Paribas and Crédit Agricole are both supposed to be live by summer this year. Can you elaborate how these launches are evolving? And when should we see an impact on the P&L, if any?

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#11

All right. As I went through this a bit in my start, the feedback from the launches, if I look at the BNP Paribas now, has been favorable and very good, not least about the convenience of the card. Consumers are clearly happy, and they have no particular issues in terms of concerns. And the enrollment is seen as fast and simple. It's our understanding that BNP Paribas is now preparing the extension of the offer to all of their customers in the retail branches at the end of first half this year. So in the summer time frame, as Francois is saying here. The initial rollouts in the Crédit Agricole launch have just started as a soft launch. And they have said that the enrollment is going to be expand into the local branches also by the summer. I don't have any other feedback from the Crédit Agricole at this stage. Now on the P&L impact, we don't give any specific, of course. But I can say that the volumes are still low in comparison to our overall volumes as a company. So we expect 2021 to be the year when this market takes off and has started to move, as we can see with the launches, and we expect higher volume rollouts in 2022. As you know, we have a very positive view of the development in the next few years, but I cannot give you any near-term guidance as we are not doing that. It is still up to the banks how they roll this out. But we do expect more launches from banks this year still.

Stefan Pettersson

executive
#12

Okay. Thank you. T-Shape Generation 2 has been approved by Mastercard. When should we expect it to be on the market? When do you expect Visa approval?

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#13

Okay. So Mastercard approval for T-Shape is a new part of their approval process. That is a new part of the process that they have put in place because of the biometric. Now they test the sensor as well. We are working together with our partners now on integration into cards. Obviously, this is -- we are not the bottlenecks so it's not up to us in that terms, but we expect this to happen in the second half of this year, so that XXfor cardXX is then that's the normal process, how it goes. And when it comes to Visa, we expect similarly as we had with the -- when we did with T-Shape Version 1 that they will come one after the other. So the partners are working also with the process for approvals in there. So that should also come here in this time when it goes through the process. That is, I don't see any particular issues with that, but it just goes on and takes it time to come out.

Stefan Pettersson

executive
#14

Okay. Thank you. And do you have any time line for the next generation of T-Shape Version 3?

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#15

We're an R&D innovative company that always wants to work on the road map. And of course, we are working with our road map which we have also said in terms of our strategic goals to drive the total card cost down together with our partners. We do this together with our partners and -- but I cannot give you any time line. We wouldn't reveal that at this point of time. But of course, as said, we have a road map, and we are working on. But now we are happy to launch T-Shape Version 2 and get out with that into the market from -- getting to the approvals in second half this year.

Stefan Pettersson

executive
#16

Okay. Thank you. I think we have some questions from the phone line now.

Operator

operator
#17

Yes. We have a question from the line of Farzad Limki calling from Millennium Capital.

Farzad Limki

analyst
#18

I have quite a few questions, if I can just go through them one by one. One is quite topical. Apple yesterday launched Touch ID on the iMacs with a fingerprint sensor on the keyboards. Now I know that you all do not provide to Apple. But given they are always the leaders in this place or in most hardware, it sort of ends up being quite a must-have or a key feature of a lot of products. Do you think that this would actually accelerate the move for having fingerprint ID on laptops' keyboards as well? Because Apple was talking yesterday about the fact that it's not just the ease of use or just security of getting onto your machine, but then using it for making payments and doing all sorts of different secure transactions rather than remembering passwords. That's the first question.

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#19

Okay. Well, I think that my answer is very simple. Yes. Apple has a tendency to impact markets. And at the same time, we see this already in our PC business, right? The fingerprint sensor is coming in. We see this as a great new leg for us, a great new opportunity. And we are looking forward to all these developments. So I think that, absolutely, fingerprint sensors is coming into PCs and into tablets and into the keyboards. And I do also agree definitely that it will be used for payments and to mitigate online fraud. And it helps in that one because then you know the identity of the person really who is actually doing the transaction. So yes to the both, right? So I think that that's -- and this trend is happening clearly.

Farzad Limki

analyst
#20

Second question is on the Pinaka Q Touch that you just mentioned. Just looking on their website, they have quite a few products: Q Touch, Q Pearl, Q Emerald, et cetera, et cetera. But it seems to be like a new product or a newish company. Is there some product that is already on the market in selling? Or is this something to be released? Because they seem to be looking for dealers and distributors currently.

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#21

Yes. It's going to be released right and coming into the market. And it is -- I think -- I just took this as one example of many of these different use cases that is coming out. Yes.

Farzad Limki

analyst
#22

So -- and this would be the same fingerprint sensor that you are using for the mobile phones, not the biometric payments?

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#23

This is the BM-Lite. So it's own product, a bit different version that you can integrate into different access products actually that we are using here. Of course, it's the same capacitive sensor, right? It's just bit -- a little bit different. There are differences in the size, typically in the access. There might be a bigger size that is used there for different door locks and so forth.

Farzad Limki

analyst
#24

Another question is on the capacity constraints that you mentioned even in the release yesterday. If capacity constraints were not a problem or did not occur, what level of uplift could you probably see in your turnover vis-a-vis the demand that you see?

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#25

Yes. I get that question a lot. And you know that -- and I can't answer that. We don't give that information out. And at the end of it, it is, of course, painful for us. And it is a key priority for us now to work on this one. I know it's also, of course, painful for many other players and industries right now. But we don't give out what it means. At the end of it, it doesn't really matter, right, because these are the numbers that we can deliver now, and that's really the only thing that counts. And what we can deliver or opportunities that we can't meet wouldn't -- it doesn't really help. It only adds to the pain right now. So -- but we're not giving any numbers of that one. But I have said before that if it would be below 10%, then it wouldn't be something that we would be mentioning a lot as a constraint.

Farzad Limki

analyst
#26

But clearly, it's, I guess, significantly above 10% for the time being.

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#27

Yes. I don't give you anything more than that.

Farzad Limki

analyst
#28

Okay. Just on the launches that we've seen. You seem to indicate that BNP will launch it to all their customers by the end of summer. From my contacts within France, it seems like BNP is already rolling it out to all their customers, not their premier customers currently. But the problem seems to be the access to branches, et cetera, et cetera. Are there any other pilots, either in France or in different countries, that could result soon in commercial launches elsewhere on the globe, if that you will be aware of?

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#29

Well, Crédit Agricole I mentioned, right? That is a new one that have said himself and have started the soft launch. They have gone out with the -- a smaller mode now. And they have said that by summer, they will go also nationwide. That is what they have said themselves. That is one. That's the third one. That is a commercial launch. And then we believe that there will be more launches, more commercial launches this year from other banks. But of course, I can't say anything more than that, but because it is really up to the banks as they launch it.

Farzad Limki

analyst
#30

May I ask if you are aware of the number of pilots that have been launched already globally which are using your ...

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#31

23. There are 23 pilots all together now, and we are in all of them. It's not so much about new pilots anymore actually because it's more about getting -- I think it's more -- the card players are not so much interested or pushing for pilots anymore. It's more about getting the soft launches and getting going, actually more about getting banks are making directly that decision. Maybe you'll see a few more pilots here and there now, but it's not like that is going to be the defining anymore of how many pilots there are.

Farzad Limki

analyst
#32

Sorry. Perhaps I used the wrong -- what I meant was these sort of soft launches, because pilots are sort of more to test proof of concept. Are there any -- what I'm trying to figure out is how close are we to many more commercial launches over the next 12 to 18 months?

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#33

That will time tell. We believe that you will see more commercial launches this year still. And of course, many banks are looking at this right now. But then the timing, I don't -- I wouldn't dare to go into when they will come out, and we will happily tell about it when they launch.

Stefan Pettersson

executive
#34

Okay. We have a few more questions from the web. First one, on the T-Shape 2 sensor. What is the total cost for a card with the new T-Shape 2 sensor for the banks?

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#35

We have -- I mean the banks don't really buy our T-Shape. They buy it from the card manufacturers such as Thales or G&D. And they are then delivering the card. And what we have -- and that card price has been coming to -- it was in the $20, and then $15, and now you can go at below $10 for the cards that go to the banks, right? And we have said that our T-Shape 2, we are going below USD 3 for the sensor. That's what we have said.

Stefan Pettersson

executive
#36

All right. Do you see different kinds of wearables integrating sensors like the FPC1542? And could it become even smaller?

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#37

Well, 1542 as a curb sensor is right now in the phones. I can see that now when we can do curvatures, that, that can be used in other different form factors and designs, yes. Maybe a different version of that as well, and -- but that remains to be seen now. Depends very much on the form factor of the devices, right? So somehow it has to be a use, something that has use of the curved form factor. On the question, can it become even smaller? The answer for us is yes, and that's a question of design again and -- but we will have to see how we develop that side. It can become smaller. It can become bigger. It can become longer. There are many ways that it can go depending on the need right there. I'm pleased with our capability to do -- keep the efficiency and the performance with even smaller sensors with our great work on both hardware and the algorithm. So we will see what new launches we do. We will definitely continue innovating in this space.

Stefan Pettersson

executive
#38

All right. And a clarification on the Crédit Agricole launch. Do you think that this launch means that they will be offering the biometric card as their standard card for all customers or as a card that the customers can choose if they want to?

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#39

Well, I suppose that is up to the banks on what time that is. I think that so far, the -- what we -- what they have said themselves is that they will offer it as an option for the customers. And so it's not so that they -- it is the only thing they offer, but it is an option. That's the way banks seem to start with it, right? So customers can choose it. Typically that's how -- if you look at the trends in the card business, that's how it starts, and then over time, it changes, right? But you have to get the big mass volumes -- bigger volumes before you actually start to make the only standard obviously.

Stefan Pettersson

executive
#40

And maybe a final question then. What new application areas is Fingerprint is looking to expand into? For example, law enforcement or any other areas or biometrics.

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#41

Well, at the moment, we have gone, as you know, mobile PC access. Access is, of course, very, very broad. It has thousands of different sub-segments. So that in itself is, through our thousands of partners, is expanding into different places, including even in some cases, law enforcement. But it is not us who are then in that channel, right? So we are looking at then, of course, into the payment area, as you know, and the PC I said already. So we will look at new -- I think in the access, there will be many opportunities. We're also working, of course, with the iris and expanding that. And we have iris also used by our -- some of our partners in kind of border control applications. So there is so many applications, so many different areas to go into. I think this payment area is, of course, very interesting for us as well as the whole electrified or digital identification as a whole for us as a company. So we are already in the access area. It is in a huge amount of different use cases and applications.

Stefan Pettersson

executive
#42

Okay. Thank you. That was it for the questions. And Christian, do you have any final comments before we close the call?

Christian Fredrikson

executive
#43

Yes. Thank you. And once again, that was the end of the call, our questions and answers from our side. And thank you very much for joining again. And we will speak soon as time flies by in the next quarter in this format and after Q2, and look forward to that. And with that, I wish you well. Stay safe. And talk to you soon. Thank you, everybody, and bye now.

Operator

operator
#44

Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect.

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