Fingerprint Cards AB (publ) (FINGB) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to Fingerprints Fourth Quarter 2021 Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session to questions. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. [Operator Instructions] And now I'd like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Mr. Stefan Pettersson, Head of Investor Relations of Fingerprints. Thank you. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you very much, and good morning, everyone, and welcome to Fingerprint Cards earnings call following the release of our year-end report this morning. So we'll start off with a presentation of the report by our CEO, Christian Fredriksson; and thereafter by our CFO, Per Sundqvist. And following this, we'll have a Q&A session. And if you're following the conference call on the web, you can post questions throughout the call. And for those of you participating in the phone conference, instructions on how to ask questions will be given by the operator before we get into the session. And with that, I now hand over to our CEO, Christian Fredriksson.

Thank you, Stefan. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to this call focusing on Fingerprints' progress and performance in the fourth quarter of '21. And as we released our year-end reporting this morning, we will also provide comments on the full year of 2021. I have to start by saying that I am very pleased, very pleased with the progress on all fronts of our business. Yes, I am. Our revenues in Q4 came in at SEK 357 million, which represents a 3% decrease compared to Q4 2020. If we look at the revenue trend, it is very positive for us. For the full year of 2021, we grew our revenues by 16% in constant currency terms. We could deliver this performance even though our access to production capacity was insufficient during the whole year due to the global semiconductor shortage. I believe this demonstrates the strength and stability of our business and our market position, which, during this year, also began to expand to new areas at a much higher rate than before. I expect that we will continue to grow at a strong pace in all our new areas. Let me come back to these different growth areas to give you a bit more insight into the current position and our growth prospects. Now while we expect to continue to be impacted by supply chain constraints also during 2022, the situation is improving and the demand for our product continues strong. Accordingly and as we have previously disclosed, we forecast our number for 2022 to be in the range of SEK 1.6 billion to SEK 2 billion. If we take the midpoint of this forecast, it would represent a 33% growth rate compared to 2021. So we clearly have a positive view on the development of our business. Also when it comes to our profitability, which has been improving steadily this year, our gross margin in Q4 was 32%. Let me repeat that, 32%, up by 8 percentage points year-on-year and by 3 percentage points compared to last quarter. For the full year, our gross margin was 29%, up from 22% in 2020. Next slide, please. Demand for our products in our largest business line, mobile, continued to develop nicely in Q4, particularly for our latest ultrathin sensors that are mounted on the side of the device. This sensor type has been expanding its share of the market, and we have a very strong offering in this area, which we are continuing to innovate in. As you know, we are leading the market in capacitive sensors for smartphones. We are also continuing our efforts to enter the under-display market. And this market has taken longer than we hoped and anticipated, but we have been making good progress here and we have the ambition to enter this segment this year. It would represent a meaningful addition to our product portfolio in the mobile area and would also contribute to further revenue growth. At the same time, we are now seeing that biometrics is being adopted at a faster rate than before in other areas. In fact, we have a very positive view of the development of the market across all our focus areas. PC is emerging as a fantastic new area for Fingerprints and will be an important growth driver in the year ahead of us. And in the access area, biometric access cards are now really beginning to take off. And as you know from last year, in payments, commercial rollouts of biometric payments cards have started in reality and are continuing in different parts of the world. Let's take a closer look at our progress in these 4 areas and the road ahead. Next slide, please. In mobile, our latest innovation, the ultrathin side-mounted capacitive sensor is doing very well in the market. These sensors definitely represent a new higher standard, and we are continuing to drive innovation in this area. In fact, we have started volume shipments of an updated version during Q4. The new ultrathin capacitive sensor models expanded their share of the market in 2021, and the capacitive sensor continues to be the most popular biometric technology in the smartphone segment. About 60% of launched smartphone models from the 10 largest manufacturers of Android smartphones in 2021 had a capacitive fingerprint sensor. The corresponding proportion for under-display sensors was about 30%. These numbers are fairly similar to what we saw in 2020. We continue to be the leader in the capacitive sensor segment and are approaching now 600 smartphones launched with our sensor. Next slide, please. Now on PC, a fantastic new market for us. We are already dominating the market for fingerprint sensor in the Chromebook market, and we are now starting to capture a significant share of the new fast-growing global market for biometric solution within the Windows PC segment. The HONOR MagicBook V14 launched in Q4 with our new biometric solution for PC. And apart from HONOR, Windows PCs with our sensors from Dell, Huawei and Xiaomi have been launched. And we will be able to add to this list several models in the near future. PC represents a fantastic growth opportunity for us. The penetration rate in fingerprint sensors in PC market is now at about 20%, and we expect this to approach the same levels as in Mobile of around 80% in the coming years. As we have previously communicated, our sales to the PC industry have all prerequisites to outgrow the access area in the next 12 to 18 months and developed the second largest application area for our products as we expect very high growth rates for our business in PC. We will go from no sales in this business year to be a leader within less than 18 months or 2 years. There are also much more than we can now do as we continue to innovate within the PC market with biometric. Next slide, please. I am also very pleased that access business is growing for us. Biometric access card are an application, which we have talked about a long time, and this is an area which now really seem to take off in parallel with the uptake in PCs. I believe that one reason for this is the sharp increased focus on cybersecurity in the last year or so. Biometric access cards or tokens support secure, unified access control that is portable across many users. For example, logging on to shared PCs, accessing VPNs and other restricted spaces throughout the whole digital space. Biometric access cards can also bring in the added benefit of combining logical and physical access control using the same card when accessing digital assets and unlocking doors. In Q4, we could announce that the U.K. company, Freevolt Technologies, is launching S-Key, a biometric access card integrating our T-Shape sensor module. Earlier, we have announced that Sentry Enterprises, a U.S. company, is using our technology in its converged biometric credential for physical and logical access, their centric card. This fits well into the integrated approach to security, which is becoming increasingly common and which is addressing physical security and system security in a much more coordinated way. Biometrics will come an increasingly important part of making the modern workplace safer while saving time and giving employees greater flexibility in how, when and where they work. There are also synergies between our businesses in access card and in the biometric payment cards area not only in terms of our products and solutions and innovation, but also in terms of the ecosystem. Many of our partners in payments, which whom we drive joint and business development efforts, are also active in the access card area. To mention, our cooperation with Infineon in the access area. In Q4, we could also announce an agreement with Indian company, Mantra Softech, for our world-leading high-security iris recognition solution. It will be used in multiple devices from Mantra Softech in the coming years. Iris recognition brings great convenience and security with many use cases that we see ahead with -- ahead of us with our partners. I must also raise that we now see much more potential finally in the automotive industry, and we are continuing to invest in product and business development for this area, both in fingerprint sensors and in iris solutions. There is clearly an increase in interest from automotive companies in biometric authentication with the digitalization of cars moving ahead even stronger. Next slide, please. Finally, but definitely not least and last, is payments. We saw yet another commercial launch of biometric payment cards, this time in Poland by Bank Pocztowy. Prior to this, we have had launches in Switzerland, France, Jordan and Mexico. We expect to see an increasing number of commercial launches in 2022. The whole payment ecosystem is gearing up for significantly higher volumes. For example, the world's top secure element providers are all developing advanced systems for biometric cards. All of them have in fact chosen Fingerprint technology for their reference designs. At the beginning of January, one of them, STMicroelectronics, was recognized by winning CES 2022 Innovation Award for STPayBio. It's a biometric system-on-card platform developed in cooperation with Fingerprint Cards and Linxens. I am pleased that we also received the first order for our latest generation T-Shape sensor module, which we call T2, to be used by one of the world's top 3 card manufacturers to commercialize the next evolution of payment cards. The latest T-Shape recently achieved compliance with Mastercard's updated security requirements, and it will be an important part of the next step of the evolution of biometric payment cards. It is smaller, faster, more cost efficient and the predecessor while enhancing our already market-leading convenience and security. This is a fantastic product. It is even simpler to integrate into the standard automated car manufacturing process using the proven and accepted T-shaped packaging delivered in dual role. The result is higher throughput, reduced waste and lowering embedding cost. Also, we have now demonstrated, as we communicated earlier, that this sensor has made it possible to execute biometric authentication entirely within the secure element, in this case, with market-leader, Infineon's secure element. Basically, what we have done is to enable full-on card fingerprint authentication without having to add an extra microcontroller. Many industry experts believe this technological leap to be impossible, and we love that. But we actually achieved it while maintaining biometric performance and increasing the level of security. We have the strongest offering on the market, and we are continuing to drive innovation together with our ecosystem partners. Now let me also say that I am very pleased that Samsung recently launched their fingerprint security integrated circuit for biometric payment cards. I am happy to see that Samsung now also shares and joins in our vision for biometric with payment cards. We love that. I find it fascinating that the largest mobile phone manufacturer and global volume leader in other industry joins the biometric payment card market. How great is that? The fact that we now see credible competition joining and large ecosystem players entering this space clearly supports our long-held view that this industry will happen and is now truly moving towards becoming the next global mass market for biometrics. We are the leader in this market, and we will continue the lead in market share performance as well as total biometric payment card cost. We target 50% market share in this new developing business over time, where speed of adoption remains to be seen. I agree with that. But we believe that the addressable market will be about 3 billion biometric payment cards from 2026 and beyond. What more can I say? We are not alone to create this market. Today, ecosystem players, to name a few, like Mastercard, Visa, Thales, G+D, IDEMIA, Infineon, [ STM MicroLink Sense ], and now we have a credible competition like Samsung coming along with a huge amount of large banks joining. This is a fantastic future that I believe in the biometric payment cards. Next slide, please. Looking ahead, our focus is squarely on innovation, expansion into new areas, profitable growth for cash flow generation. As highlighted before, our gross margin trend is positive with significant improvements both in the quarter and in the full year of 2021. As I have said before in this industry, it should be possible to generate over 30% gross margins, and so we have now. And as we continue to innovate and diversify the business into new areas, there is potential for further improvements for us. Now Fingerprints does not have any proprietary production capacity as hardware solution, and production is conducted using partners, as you know well. We have focused hard on improving core working capital as a share of revenues with positive impact on cash flow all through 2021. Our operating cash flow was affected by strategic decisions to temporarily increase inventory levels and working capital, both as a result of increased demand of Fingerprint products and to ensure supply over the coming periods. I am pleased that our revenue streams are now being diversified at a higher pace than previously into areas with attractive margins, and we will continue to focus on driving revenue growth. Our business model is highly scalable, and we will focus on substantial cash flow generation while maintaining a high level of R&D activity, which is very important for us in this market. Next slide, please. So summarizing, I'm very pleased with our progress when not least when it comes to our strong growth in 2021 while also significantly improving our gross margin. This was a great year for us in our business. Our product innovation is key to this positive development, and we will continue to drive development of innovative products and solutions in all our focus areas. We expect the positive revenue trend to continue in 2022 as we look at the full year. To support our growth, we are continuing our efforts to broaden our supplier base to control our risk and secure access to the capacity we so much need going forward. We work with our existing semiconductor suppliers to ensure a large volume as possible from them while at the same time making continuous efforts to establish collaboration with new producers to increase our access to additional capacity. We are making good progress and adding one more foundry and several other suppliers during 2021. This will, of course, be a very important task for us as there are still challenges in the supply chain during 2022. We have been able to manage them well so far. We have ambitious growth plans, which increase the need for working capital and investments in R&D. I'm therefore very pleased that we secured funding in December by issuing SEK 300 million in senior secured bonds to further accelerate our growth. Let me close by reiterating our positive revenue forecast for 2022, which was between SEK 1.6 billion to SEK 2 billion, which represents a good growth and strong growth over 2021. Also, we expect to improve our EBITDA margin in 2022 to a level of 14% to 18% actually looking at the end of the year step by step. With that, let me hand over to Per Sundqvist. Thank you.

Thank you, Christian, and good morning to all. Let's now move to the first slide of the financial results section. Starting with our revenue in Q4, we reported a 3% decrease compared to last year. And however, in constant terms, that would be 4%. And Q4 2020 was quite a good quarter. And if you look at the full year numbers, which is more interesting to see from a long-term trend perspective, the trend is clearly, clearly positive with an 8% growth rate to 2020. And if you use the same constant currency comparison, it's actually even 16%. The demand for our products continued to develop favorably. As Christian mentioned, supply chain limitations of the main obstacle for us, even though we have managed well to improve the situation during the year, which is also, of course, clearly been reflected in our full year growth numbers. In parallel, the very positive development of our gross margin continues and improved the full 8 percentage points year-on-year and also by 3 percentage points compared to the previous quarter. High proportion of new higher-margin products is the key driver of this positive development. Next slide, please. Now looking further into the 12 months trend, it is still positive both from a revenue as well as a gross margin perspective. This is largely due to the continued product innovation and diversification, both in Mobile and in other segments such as PC. Our success in the market has improved our product mix sales with a significant positive impact on margins, as mentioned several times during this presentation. Next slide, please. Operating expenses in Q4 were SEK 107.5 million versus SEK 79.3 million in the same period last year. Development costs of SEK 20 million were capitalized during the quarter, which is to be compared to SEK 32 million in the same period last year. This corresponds to 34% of total development costs compared to 66% in the corresponding quarter of 2020. The reason for increased OpEx is, in fact, that we are driving an even higher number of our R&D and operational projects compared to last year. We are continuing to invest in growth both by driving product innovation and by broadening our supplier base. And as usual, we are pairing the above efforts by maintaining strong focus on cost and efficiency improvements in all aspects of the development. Next slide, please. Our core working capital, that is accounts receivables plus inventory and less the accounts payable, was SEK 217 million at the end of the quarter, which is compared to SEK 132 million in the same quarter last year and SEK 170 million in last quarter. If we look further in the details around the development of the core working capital and put it in relation to revenue, it increased to 16% from 10% in Q4 last year and 13% last quarter. The increase in working capital is solely a result of our growth initiatives with higher receivables and inventory buildup to meet demand increases as well as to mitigate any supply chain disruptions now and as well as in the future. As always, we continue to work very diligently and actively to manage our working capital in the most efficient manner where possible. Next slide, please. As mentioned in the previous slide, this growth-driven increase in working capital, receivables and inventory is the reason our cash flow from operating activities was a negative SEK 17 million in the quarter, which is to be compared to a positive SEK 47 million in Q4 last year. For the full year 2021, cash flow from operating activities was a positive SEK 24 million, which is to be compared to SEK 158 million in 2020. At the end of 2021, our cash position stood at SEK 374 million versus SEK 377 million last year and SEK 121 million at the end of Q3 in 2021. In December, we issued a SEK 300 million financing in a senior secured bond with the aim of securing further financial readiness to our growth initiatives going forward. Cash flow from investing activities, capitalized development expenditures was SEK 24 million compared with SEK 33 million last year. Now thank you, everyone, and we are now ready to take questions.

[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the of Francois Bouvignies from UBS.

I have a couple of questions, if I may. So the first one is maybe first on the top line. And maybe, Christian, it would be interesting to know that in the last few quarters, I mean, you gave some guidance for the next quarter, and I thought you would do it in the future. But this time, I think I didn't see, and sorry if I missed it, the next quarter guidance. So my question is why you didn't provide the guidance. I mean you're saying that it's usually a low quarter, but I just wanted to understand this comment then and the fact that you didn't provide any guidance for the next quarter.

Yes. Thanks, Francois, and thanks for joining again. And yes, a simple answer is we're not giving a quarterly guidance now anymore. We decided that, and we will only -- we only gave the yearly guidance. And you're right. But I can say that Q1 is always low for us, that it's a weak quarter for us in our business. And of course, the growth is coming kind of during the year. It is a part of the seasonality of our business and has been so, and it is going to be so this year as well.

Yes. But then like a follow-up to that is, if you look at last year, the seasonality was much lower because of the shortage asset, right? I mean you had minus 4%, I think, quarter-on-quarter in Q1 '21. And so compared to before, you're right, it was like much more double-digit percentage decline quarter-on-quarter. And shortage, I think, is still there, and you mentioned a couple of times during the year in '21 that the demand was much higher than supply. So the seasonality for me shouldn't be really visible as to achieve, the demand is much higher than the supply, if you see what I mean. So I struggle to understand why all of a sudden it would be in line with seasonality if the demand is much higher than supply. Do you see what I mean? I don't really understand that. So the supply is not a problem anymore or there is a shortage?

The supply challenges still continue, yes, in -- we expect that to continue in 2022. We are getting better and we have been able to manage it, but it will -- I do expect it to continue in this year still. And yes, it is a seasonality. And also, of course, all the new businesses are growing from smaller numbers. So they will be growing during the year. And that is, of course, where a lot of our improvement is coming from, clearly, when we go from 1 leg to 4 legs now. That's also a case, Francois. Yes.

So if we assume seasonality that is down in Q1, which is a normal seasonality, usually lower, it means that your revenue growth will be negative in Q1. And so I mean you will need a very significant recovery to reach your target for 2022. I mean, is that the case? It's going to be like a very low Q1 negative growth maybe and then a strong acceleration after that. I mean do you see that happening in your bookings already? Or...

Yes. I think that, yes, we are in a situation when it comes to new businesses. I see -- we see kind of -- when you look at the orders, when you look at the cases, I see very -- when I look at the models that we have won, that we are getting into and the launch is coming, there is a very strong ramp-up there and a lot of wins that are materializing for us. And it is, of course, up to us to be able to deliver. And yes, it will be -- as seasonality comes, that means also we have a weak Q1, and then it ramps up during the year, right? So that's how the growth will come for us, yes.

Okay. So it's just a very significant recovery after Q1 that you need to reach the target. That -- but if you -- yes, if you see your booking, that's helpful. And maybe the gross margin, I mean, it was quite strong this quarter. I mean, is it one-off? Or you -- is it like a new level that you should work on? Because we saw some volatility in the gross margin in the last few quarters, although improving steadily, as you show in your presentation, on a rolling basis. But can you help us understand how we should think about the gross margin from the 32%?

Yes, I think I can say so that we still have, of course. I mean Mobile business is still large for us. So there is, of course, different -- depending on how the mix goes in that business, of course, affects the gross margin. But it's very clear that we have made a trend change here, which is working for us with the growth of all the new businesses that we have and all the cases where we go. And that kind of leads to that. It is a growth trend, as we see, growing and then getting in there into the fourth quarter where we are supposed to be and where we are forecasting to be between 14% and 18% of EBITDA in Q4 2022. So the mix and then, of course, the more we get of the new business, which is now growing extremely well for us. And as long as, of course, we need to deliver into that, then that's how it's going to go, right? But you still have some fluctuations in the quarters for us. But when you look at it on a yearly basis, yes, absolutely. And that's why we forecasted for Q4, 14% to 18% EBITDA as well, right?

Okay. And a quick question on the cash flow. I mean the cash receivable are increasing significantly, but yet you're not really growing, I mean, not this quarter and in Q1. Given seasonality, you're not going to grow. Inventories are barely increasing slightly. So can you provide more details of what exactly the new receivables? I mean what's the growth initiatives you are talking about a bit in more detail? So we can understand why is it going so much when, for now, you're not growing and there is no inventory build up that much at least because of, I guess, supply constrained?

Yes. Well, there's a few things. One is, of course, that we continue to invest in R&D and in innovation, and we will continue that. Now we have 4 legs. We have new product variants into 4 different dimensions as well that come for us. And that is fantastic because that's how our growth now is going to be possible in these new areas. And the second one is actually also that when we go to new suppliers, we kind of need to -- you actually need to fill in those different inventories of all those different supply cases. So not just working capital, because we had to expand to geographically and we have to expand in all parts of our supply chain into double and triple of suppliers, right, in material and in the chains. And that has led to working capital increase. And also, when you're starting those small volumes, in those new cases, you have to always fill up first to even get anything out. And then, of course, you -- typically, I mean, when it comes to the contracts, you kind of get better payment terms when you get more volume. That's how the cases are built up as well. That's basically it, Francois.

Okay. So when are you going to see the volumes and the unlocking of the receivables then? I mean it's -- because it's quite meaningful now.

Yes, yes. I mean that's, of course, why we -- during the year, right, that's what we plan to do. And that's what kind of the order intake shows us as well. And we have to be able to deliver all parts of it as well, and that's why we're working on it.

And so the cash flow in Q1, I mean, how should we think about that, an improvement from the last 2 quarters that has been negative on the free cash flow? I mean can you help us understand the seasonality of the cash flow? Or how should we think going forward to manage expectations on that front?

Yes. I think, overall, on -- we expect slightly positive -- I would say, slightly positive cash flow on the full year. And then we don't -- that's how we believe it will go. But we don't give now by quarters. You see fluctuations, I mean, typically on that as well. And now, of course, we're building up a bit into these different channels here, so that might impact a bit. So we don't want to give guidance now of the quarter. But on the overall year, we expect slightly positive on the cash flow as well for our company.

Okay. That's clear. And maybe one quick question on the noncash items. You -- I don't reconcile what is in the noncash item this quarter because it's increasing significantly on a quarter basis, quarter-on-quarter, yet you have SEK 20 million of difference between EBITDA and EBIT, but noncash item of SEK 40-plus million this quarter. So just trying to understand what is the difference between D&A and the noncash items? And where is it exactly in your P&L, this SEK 20 million delta?

This is Per Sundqvist. The SEK 20 million delta there, it's part of the restructuring that we're doing right now. So I'd say between the working capital, as you mentioned here -- in the beginning here, there's a difference there. We will have this new...

Why is it noncash restructuring?

No, no, it's -- do we have -- in this case, it's a valuation change. It's a valuation change. We have -- for example, this quarter, we could say the biggest change here is that we move now the inventory to Singapore. It is the valuation change there because in Sweden, we consolidate in SEK. In Singapore, we consolidate in U.S. dollars. That's why. That was a big move for us. I mean it doesn't really make any real impact on that one.

But where is it then in the P&L then, this SEK 20 million? Because, I mean, it means that it's negative impact on your P&L of SEK 20 million, right? I mean...

No, it's just a balance sheet item. It's just a balance sheet item. It's in moving inventory from one place to another one. It's not changing the absolute number. It's not the P&L effect at all. We're not selling or expensing anything or anything like that. That is a valuation change.

But I don't understand why you adjust that for noncash item then in the cash flow. I'm sorry, I will maybe follow up later because...

Yes, we can follow up on that. We can go through in detail, yes.

Yes. okay. And maybe just on the PC side, I mean it seems to get some traction. This is my last question. I mean -- and it seems to be very strong. Can you give us an idea of how much represent in terms of sales or any growth, how many models you expect to be in '22 versus '21? Just to get a bit more color on where the PC is going in 2022 and how we should think about that market. Christian, you seem very excited about this, so just to get a sense of a bit more of the impact.

Yes. It's, of course, the market is growing and we are growing as we just kind of got into the market. So I can say that the new models, it will be tens of models in the PC market that we will be launching in this year. We will -- we see ourselves within 18 months that it's going to be our second largest business, which is going to be over -- clearly over 10% of our revenues, right? And of course, at this stage, it's -- the growth is in the hundreds of percentages, right?

Okay. And how many models did you have in 2021?

No, I don't remember. Let me check that, Francois and -- how many models it was, I don't remember now directly. Over 5 -- between 5 and 10, right, if I look at the amounts, over 5 models.

Between 5 and 10, and you're moving to 10 at least in '22. Okay.

Tens of models, tens of models, Francois.

[Operator Instructions]

So maybe we'll take a couple of questions from the web as well. So the first one about supply chain issues, how worried are you about any supply chain issues ahead in 2022?

I'm not worried. I think that we have shown that we can handle it. But of course, we work hard on expanding, and we will continue expanding on that one, right? So I think it's going to be -- there is still going to be supply chain challenges, and that's going to -- shortages going to continue in the year. That is for 2022, but I'm not worried about it. I think we have been able to handle it, and we will continue to do so. And that's, of course, part of our growth plan as well to be able to do so.

Thank you. And on biometric cards, how do you view the development of this market in 2022?

It's going to grow, obviously. We're going to see -- we have tens of banks that are in discussions with, and so I think that there is -- once again, the year that it happened was last year, 2021. I think it's going to be fantastic and it's going to, of course, grow now every year. And I expect that to happen this year as well. So we will see many launches. That's, of course, very important for it now. There's very good traction in the ongoing banks that have launched, the 6 of them, which are, of course, all with our solution and a very good feedback from the consumers. And as we have stated and, of course, that's very important for us, there is work on the enrollment and the decision of the bank to work on enrollment. That is one of the key issue, of course, to solve as well or making better. It is working, but we have good solutions coming out from that. And then I have to say that it's not our -- it's not we who are launching, it's the banks. So in that perspective, of course, it is. That's why it's always easy to give a specific number on how it goes and how fast and how much and aggressive they put it out there. But we see good growth in that business as well, of course, from small numbers from last year.

Okay. Thank you. And maybe a last question on Samsung's launch of a Fingerprint solution for payment cards. How do you view this? Do you view it as a threat to you?

No, I think that it is great that Samsung -- as I said earlier, maybe I repeat that, I think it's great that Samsung has also come to the same long-term vision that we have had about moving payment cards into biometric. I think it is the largest manufacturer of mobile phones and huge volume player in many other industries. So obviously, when they move into payment card with biometric, they believe strongly that this will be -- and this is a credible competition now, which was needed. And I think it's great that it's happening. And then if I look at the solution, I am -- we are certain that we are competitive. Samsung has, from the secure element point of view, about 20% market share. We are working, for example, now in Infineon, which is 50% market share in the secure element. I think that we are absolutely competitive. We are leading this market when it comes to performance and as well cost for the full card. And we will continue to innovate, and we have to. We have to. I think it's fantastic. This is -- the game is on. That's only -- it's just beautiful that it's happening now.

Okay. Thank you. Maybe we have time for a couple more questions on how do you view under display and iris for 2022?

We have said that, obviously, we have been delayed with our entry with optical or the under-display. We expect to enter this year. We have done good progress. And of course, I can't say more than that. I mean now we need to win and get into that. It's a fantastic thing for us still, of course, because it's a market where we have 0 sales and 0 market share. So -- and it is 30%, so it's still a very -- it's a great market to get into as I look at it for us. And then I think when it comes to the iris, we have a lot of activity now in iris here. It's spreading into much more places. We have launched in hospitals as access. We are working in the automotive industry. We are getting into payments industry. So I think that iris, it has taken longer, yes, but it is a fantastic biometric modality. And I'm very, very pleased to see now our case is moving. There is a lot of work going on in the funnel to work on, our touchless solution as well. So I'm optimistic about that opportunity also. It is a fantastic modality. It is the most secure modality. And of course, we need to get more partners, getting to more form factors, and that's the work that is happening and I see a lot in the funnel. So that's a great thing for us, I have to say. Thank you.

All right. Thank you. And how about ID cards with biometrics, do you see a potential market for this?

Absolutely. And I was saying access cards. Access cards, for example, combining that for physical, logical access is clearly picking off now. As I talked about, Sentry cards and the other examples. So I think that this is finally also happening. And now we see a lot of activity there. And it is, of course, a huge market if you look at all the access cards and dongles that are out there for physical and logical access. So yes, we have very, very good funnels, and I love that, I have to say. I think that that's -- in a way, it's been obvious that, that market should happen. It's been so different standards and different ecosystems in it that has taken time for players to come. And I think now we're increasing in cybersecurity hacks and attacks and just too easy to go through. I mean that is now kind of starting to hurt companies, so they want -- there's clearly much more need for physical and logical security. This is such an obvious, obvious solution to that dilemma right now.

All right. Maybe one last question on T-Shape 2. When do you think that we'll see commercial launches using this latest sensor generation?

I mean we have already gotten our first orders for T-Shape 2, so it is basically going on. So of course, you will see it this year and you will see a lot of it in the market. And we will have more orders coming for T2, for sure, also. So I think, as I said, it's a good growth, very strong growth if you look at -- from a small numbers, of course, but very strong growth. T2 is a fantastic new product. First POs in hand coming out this year, for sure. It's already running.

Okay. Thank you very much, Christian. That's it for web questions.

All right. Thank you very much, everybody, for joining, and I look forward to talking to you soon again. Stay healthy, and have a good day, everybody. Talk to you soon. Thank you very much, and bye for now.

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