Foraco International SA (FAR) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
October 28, 2022
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGood morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Foraco International SA Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded today, Friday, October 28, 2022. And I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Daniel Simoncini. Please go ahead, sir.
Daniel Simoncini
executiveThank you, Michelle. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us on our Q3 2022 result conference. I'm Daniel Simoncini, Chairman and CEO. And with me today is Vice CEO and CFO, Jean-Pierre Charmensat. The news release of this result was issued this morning prior to the opening of the TSX through CNW Newswire. If you did not receive a copy of the release, please visit www.foraco.com. We are pleased to report our best quarter since 2009, with revenue up 30% year-on-year, and our bottom line, up 70%. We were able to deliver this bottom line, thanks to an excellent execution of our contracts by our teams and our renewed prices, which now offset the inflation we have been hit with for the last 15 months. We recorded a similar utilization rate at 57%, but with more heavy rigs being at work now. During the quarter, the metal prices index retreated another 15% from last June, with only nickel and lithium rising over the period. Meanwhile, our crewing issues did soften somehow as a growing number of juniors within the industry stopped their exploration programs due to the lack of funding. That freed some workforce mainly in Canada and Australia, which was of a great help. In the same time, our large top-tier customer base confirmed their plan and kept on adding more rigs to our long-term contracts. I will now pass the conference to Jean-Pierre, who will walk through the financials. Jean-Pierre?
Jean-Pierre Charmensat
executiveThank you, Daniel, and good morning, everyone. So revenue for the Q3 '22 quarter amounted to USD 91.4 million compared to USD 70.6 million for the same quarter last year, a 30% increase. The increase in the Mining, plus 28%, and Water, plus 41%, segments is the result of the continued favorable market dynamics with long-term rolling contracts and our capacity to deliver. By reporting segment, the Mining segment represented 86% of Q3 '22 revenue and Water represented 14%. During this quarter, South America and North America were the most active regions. Revenue in South America increased by 109% to USD 29.4 million compared to USD 14.1 million in Q3 '21. New long-term contracts were mobilized during the first quarter of 2022. North America revenue amounted to USD 27.9 million in Q3 '22, an 11% increase compared to Q3 '21 despite continuing crewing issues. Revenue in EMEA for the quarter was $19 million compared to $19.7 million in Q3 '21, a 4% decrease which is a combination of stable activity in CIS, increasing activity in Europe and decreased activity in Africa due to the euro-U.S. dollar adverse foreign exchange variance. Revenue in Asia Pacific increased by 30% at $15.2 million compared to the same quarter last year, reflecting the ongoing improvement of the activity. During this quarter, the geographical activity split was: South America, 32%; North America, 30%; EMEA, 21%; and Asia Pacific, 17%. During this quarter, the gross margin, including depreciation within cost of sales as per IFRS rules was a profit of USD 24.4 million versus USD 14.9 million for the same quarter last year, a 65% increase. Ongoing contracts reported solid performances despite crewing issues and inflationary pressure. Most of the cost increases were compensated in our selling prices. SG&A increased by 7% to $6.3 million compared to $5.9 million for the same period last year, but decreased as a percentage of revenue from 8.3% to 6.9% compared to last year. EBIT, our operating result, was $18.2 million profit versus $9 million in Q3 '21, a 102% increase. The EBITDA amounted to $23 million or 25.2% of revenue, a 67% increase compared to $13.8 million in Q3 '21 or 19.6% of revenue. We do not report adjusted EBITDA or any other adjustment to the IFRS figures. Financial expenses amounted to $2.9 million compared to $2.1 million in Q3 '21, linked to the 3.1% increase in the 3-months LIBOR interest rate. On a 9-month basis, revenue amounted to $245.7 million compared to $200.8 million in year-to-date 9 months 2021, a 22% increase thanks to favorable economic context for the industry and the capacity of the company to deliver. Revenue increased 10% in North America, 106% in South America and 24% in Asia Pacific, compared to the same 9 months period in 2021. Revenue decreased 12% in EMEA, mainly in Africa, due to the phasing of contracts, logistics challenges and adverse foreign exchange euro-U.S. dollar. The activity was stable in Europe and CIS. Margins continue to improve. The year-to-date '22 gross profit was $52.8 million versus $36.7 million for the same period last year, a 44% improvement mainly due to the increased activity and performance of contract. Year-to-date '22 EBIT was $34.4 million compared to $19.8 million in the same period last year, a 73% increase. And the year-to-date EBITDA for the 9 months period was a positive $49.4 million compared to $33.6 million in the same period last year, a 47% increase. For the 9 months '22 period, the working capital requirement was $18.5 million compared to $5.6 million for the same period last year, mainly due to the activity ramp up. CapEx amounted to $14.1 million in cash compared to $14.7 million in cash during the same period in 2021, relates to acquisition of rigs, major rigs overhauls, ancillary equipment and roads. At June 30, 2022, our net debt including these obligations, IFRS 16, amounted to $86.9 million compared to $91.1 million at June 30, $100.8 million at March 31 and $85.7 million at December 31, '21. Our leverage ratio improved to 1.5. Finally, we posted an $11.1 million net profit in Q3 '22, a 70% increase compared to Q3 '21, despite the 3.1% increase in interest rate. Our profitability and the strong fundamentals of our industry give us headroom for future improvement of our financial structure. I will now return the call to Daniel for his closing remarks. Daniel?
Daniel Simoncini
executiveThank you, Jean-Pierre. As you may have noticed, there is currently a curious disconnect between the financial markets and our mining space reality. Why the first are selling metals related stock among others, are they probably fear of worldwide recession, which may cool down the demand? Most of our senior customers are scrambling to locate, develop and make ready for production more energy transition metals deposits. It seems the large mining companies are convinced the energy transition will happen no matter what, as climate change remind them every day, the urgent necessity to accelerate towards the commodity energy. According to a growing number of analysts, world energy source will evolve rapidly from hydrocarbons to metals. We expect the big miners to be right somehow as there are other strange things happening too in the space, like: Large automakers taking stakes in mines; government declaring strategic emergency on certain metals; and mines opening in Europe as an instance, which is the biggest world market with no or negligible metal production as of yet. This is why Foraco, we braced for a sustained and growing activity going forward. Most of our customers are eager to book more capacity earlier than before, and we hope this will translate into another excellent level of our year-end order book. Meanwhile, we'll work hard to keep our profitability at the current level, so we can deleverage our balance sheet quicker. Thank you for listening. I will now turn the call to Michelle, who will take the first question. Michelle?
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from Gordon Lawson of Paradigm Capital.
Gordon Lawson
analystCongratulations on another outstanding quarter. With your NCIB in place and seeing a sharp decline in your share price versus other drillers, could you talk about your priorities in purchasing shares versus paying down debt?
Daniel Simoncini
executiveYou know that the NCIB is a very strict regulated mechanism whereby we cannot buy more than a certain number. We cannot buy blocks, for instance. So it doesn't help to sustain actually the liquidity and the stock. That's number one. Number two, of course, our top priority is to deleverage our balance sheet. And we do expect the market, sooner or later, would realize that our stock prices is totally disconnected with reality.
Gordon Lawson
analystYes. I'm seeing that as well. I just can't make sense of the current share price.
Daniel Simoncini
executiveNo, it doesn't make sense. We got the liquidity issue, and there are some medium-sized shareholders out there who are having some difficulties elsewhere and who are selling our stock without any bottom. And this is why our stock obviously harmed on a very, very low volume. And that happened during the blackout period when we couldn't buy -- the managers or the insiders, couldn't even buy the stock.
Gordon Lawson
analystI see, so hopefully you'll be active going forward. So the other question, there was a very large year-over-year gain in the European segment, particularly compared to the previous 2 quarters. So could you elaborate on what's behind that? And if it relates to decreased exposure to Russian drilling?
Daniel Simoncini
executiveI mean what we call Europe, I mean EMEA is made of Europe and CIS. And within CIS, now the center of gravity of the activity is moving to Kazakhstan. And therefore, our -- the current contribution I'm speaking [ and Jean-Pierre can tell ], the current contribution of Russia to the quarter consolidated revenue is what, Fabien or Jean-Pierre, 9%?
Jean-Pierre Charmensat
executiveIs under 10%, yes.
Daniel Simoncini
executiveIs under 10%.
Jean-Pierre Charmensat
executiveSo Kazakhstan is growing and Russian is decreasing on a quarterly basis. And we also have -- in EMEA, we also have Africa, which represents a percentage of the EMEA.
Daniel Simoncini
executiveDoes that answer your question, Gordon?
Gordon Lawson
analystYes, absolutely. I appreciate it.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from Steven Green at Ordinance Capital.
Steven Green
analystDaniel, congratulations. Like -- the last call, I said about -- it was an outstanding quarter. Doing a great job. One, I can tell by your last comments in the closing remarks that you're as equally frustrated as we are, as shareholders, that we -- having the best quarters we're having, and there's still plenty of room to go, and we haven't seen anything in the stock price but a cut in half. I have a couple of questions. I usually plan for 20% margins in my models, but you seem to have like getting close to 25% margins now. Is that sustainable going forward?
Daniel Simoncini
executiveYes. As long as the market demand remain within this current, let's say, robust environment, I would say the norm in our business is more 25% than 20%. If you look back in a similar, not exactly similar, but in a comparable period where we were 2007, 2010, '11, we were largely above that, okay?
Steven Green
analystThat's good.
Daniel Simoncini
executiveThe drivers are different today. Then it was China, who was absorbing most of the commodity growth. Today is an energy transition. So it's more global, and we think it's much more powerful. That's number one. Number two, the customer base has evolved in terms of choosing the partners. Back then, it was purely a demand/supply balance. So the more demand, the higher prices. Today it's different. Today, the industry is more mature. And our large senior customers, they choose and they accept to pay a premium, even in a not-that-good market just because they want quality and reliability. But to answer your question, 25% is what we should have.
Steven Green
analystThat's better than I thought. And then you did 57% utilization this quarter. I thought I heard before, I remember we could probably go up to like 70% to 75% utilization to be fully -- all your rigs be fully employed to take into account maintenance and that kind of stuff. So are we -- I mean, that seems like a lot of future growth, if we can get our yields fired up to [ 75% ].
Daniel Simoncini
executiveYes. Yes, we -- it's a kind of contrasted patchwork today. The 57% are kind of global. But we have countries like Australia, which are 72% or 75% already. You have a small, small country like Argentina. They are poised to close to 100% and the demand for lithium is sky high. So we can't import. And on the other hand, as an example again, you take Chile. And in Chile, we have 10 rigs idle because the copper guys are not unlocking the drilling program yet, okay? So we have a diversified utilization rates, a set of utilization rates here and there, and the average being 57%. And this changes slowly, slowly from one quarter to another, depending on the seasonality and depending also on the type of risks we roll out. So we can still report 10% growth with 5% more utilization, to give you an example, just because we are rolling out the most expensive rig, which are usually delivering much better margin and higher revenue, okay? So it's a composite ratio. But you asked -- the bottom line, yes, we still have room to grow.
Steven Green
analystGood. And then in South America, you mentioned that the copper miners are hopefully going to come back hopefully, shortly. So that's exciting. That would be nice to get those rigs. But also, I think, is the big growth in South America lithium mining?
Daniel Simoncini
executiveOh, yes, yes. Yes, it's -- I mean, you cannot open a newspaper or read something on the net today without seeing an announcement on the lithium deal. Lithium, minable lithium are more or less cornered into Chile, Argentina for the solution mining form and Australia for the rocky form. And the pressure to find lithium deposit is super high. Super, super high.
Steven Green
analystBut you guys specialize in that ore, so that gives you an advantage in South America because you specialize in that ore?
Daniel Simoncini
executiveThat is correct. That is correct. We just have to be very, very careful, Steven, because -- as you may know, Argentina is not a simple country to work in. Because the country is under very, very fundamental negotiation with the IMF. They have a currency control system in place. So the money cannot flow in and out easily. So we don't want to be trapped at a point of time. So we're going easy, easy there.
Steven Green
analystOkay, but there's opportunity. The last question I have is, I guess Jean-Pierre mentioned this, and it's in the last tenet of the press release here that says opportunities to consider further improvements in the company's financial structure. I guess buying back shares, I guess, is not really the option. So I'm assuming that means paying down the debt more quickly because that -- I guess people don't like to have so much debt in the company when they have -- when the share it seemed like they're so subservient to the debt ownership. So can you elaborate a little more on what that means, the company improvements in the company's financial structure?
Daniel Simoncini
executiveYou said it, Steven. It's exactly what we hope to do is to pay out the debt quickly and deleverage our balance sheet as quick as we can because the market, we hope -- we are hopeful, the market will allow us to generate much, much better cash flow. .
Steven Green
analystBut you did $5 million -- you did $5 million this quarter. I mean would that be accelerated to -- would that be accelerated?
Jean-Pierre Charmensat
executiveWe can until next year. And then we have the possibility to early repay part of the debt before the end of the debt period, okay? So this is what we mean that we -- if we generate more revenue and more margins, we have more flexibility to repay the debt and reduce our financial expenses and improve our ratios.
Steven Green
analystWell, like I said, I'm always very excited about this company, and I've been here for a long time. And we're doing -- the company is in such better shape than it was even in the height when the stock was $5 in 2012 or whatever. So I hope we see something soon. I mean it's just very frustrating.
Daniel Simoncini
executiveIt is very frustrating. We just have to find the right shareholding structure, convince our current shareholders to be more active and not be passive and sleeping, to eliminate a little bit the stock, to [ halt ] some insider trading. The problem being is that nobody knows, but it's a fact that Jean-Pierre and myself as a controlling shareholder, we cannot participate in any trade on the stock. We're blocked. Because I would have loved to buy a ton of stock of Foraco at $1. But we're working on that, Steven. I mean we have the same frustration, we have the same interest. The company is worth much more than what it's worth today, I mean, by the market. We all know that the current situation is kind of volatile on the markets. The market is getting confused, not on Foraco only, but on the fundamentals of what the world is going to consume. Last week, there was Trafigura, which is one of the biggest trader in the world, commodity trader in the world. They said the copper stock, the physical copper stock was about 2 weeks, worldwide. Nobody cared. So let's be patient. And we are 100% convinced that there will be a kind of moment where the real value of Foraco will crystallize.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from John Bair of Ascend Wealth Advisors.
John Bair
analystI want to focus on the water side. We've got droughts and water scarcity globally. And I'm wondering how you are looking at that from the standpoint of expanding your operations or your focus on that area. Certainly the demand for metals materials and so forth, as you just discussed, is out there. Everybody knows it. They're not reacting to it. But water is certainly another very critical thing. And I'm just wondering if you could share some thoughts on that.
Daniel Simoncini
executiveThanks for the question. I'll try to be very short. You have 2 destination of the water: You have the water for human beings; you have the water for industry or agriculture. Foraco is involved in the water for people only in West Africa. This is just a legacy of the past. We've done that 50 years ago, and we are still one of the main players in this area. The point is that we drill for water, but water -- we don't create water. So what we do is usually we link our water services, drilling services, to our mining services because each and every mine in the world has a mining challenge. So it's a kind of tender to the main locomotive, which is a metal industry, and we try to accompany our customers into the needs for processed water. And inevitably, the process water, which is groundwater usually, is becoming more and more precious for the local communities. And therefore there are a lot of contentious relationships between these two, and we don't want to be caught in the middle. But we can help them to drill, monitoring more holes to check the water table level, how it reacts, how it goes, if it shrinks, if it increase, et cetera. And then we can build some dewatering wells or injection wells for our customers. So we are not, in a sense, looking at the general world water depletion problem and positioning ourselves everywhere, because the world is too vast and every country has already their own water well drillers. So we try to focus and to remain and to target on the high-tech end of the water well business. And this is usually industrial installations that we drill either in the mines or in the vicinity of the mines for the local communities. But we are typically overwhelmed by the demand. And therefore, because a water well rig fully equipped is something like USD 3 million, USD 4 million, so our investment capacity is limited. And therefore, we cannot ramp up as quick as the market is ramping up. So we are accelerating in the water but at a very controlled pace. And usually, it is linked to long-term contracts we do have with the senior miners. Sorry to have been a bit long, but I hope I answered your question.
John Bair
analystWell, yes, and I appreciate that. I guess I'm looking at it as well. I think the mining industry is lumped in very much like the traditional oil and gas industry, that they're bad actors and destroying the earth and so forth. And given these big surge in the ESG movement and so forth, the fact that you have exposure and experience in water drilling, albeit in conjunction with mining operations, would that not possibly be an area or a focus that you could look at as an add-on to your existing operations that would, therefore, perhaps painting a better color or provide more interest in folks to help move us out of the price range that we're in, because you're being perceived as more environmentally friendly and so forth. Kind of a big picture thought but throwing that out there for you. I mean we need water as much as we need minerals, I mean.
Daniel Simoncini
executiveI understand -- I mean -- yes, yes. I mean -- okay. Number one, we don't do any greenwashing, okay? I mean we are truly and fully drilling for water, for freshwater in the world. Number two, we do believe -- and let me give you a very simple example, we do believe that our little action because we still have a very -- we are a little company, but our little action can help out our senior customers big deal in terms of environmental protection. Of course, you have to move earth to get access to a deposit, of course, right? This is a given fact. But to give you an idea with an example, we recently performed the first inclined water well near a huge open pit, which was built decades ago. In doing so, we were able to dewater the bottom of the open pit on a much efficient way, and that will save our customers' gazillions of ton of rock scrapping, because we are much closer to the action. And our dewatering is much more efficient because it dewaters exactly where the miner wants to take the deposit out. And that can be, I would say, quantify as multimillion dollar savings and much less environmental damages, okay? So it's a little example of where we can help. We don't pretend that Foraco is a green value. We don't do greenwashing. But we -- if you remain well, 2 quarters ago, we published our first ever ESG report. And as far as I know, maybe I'm mistaken, but we are still the first mining and water drilling company to ever publish such an ESG report with our greenhouse gases impact, et cetera, et cetera. So we are very sensitive to that, and we do our best. But of course, we still have diesel engines.
John Bair
analystI didn't mean to imply that you were a bad actor or anything like that. So having -- I didn't mean it that way.
Daniel Simoncini
executiveNo, I got your point.
John Bair
analystI'm just -- I'm looking at another possible area to go in. Let me ask another question, shifting gears for a minute. What is your outlook or your situation on your personnel and labor crews, that kind of thing, say, turnover?
Daniel Simoncini
executiveI mean -- yes, the turnover is -- after COVID, we had a turn of turnover that we reported in the years 2021 because that disrupted heavily the circuits and the fly-in, fly-out schemes. And today, we have been helped somehow as a kind of contradictory effect by the slowdown within the junior space. The juniors were full speed ahead in the years '20 to 2021. So they sucked a lot of crews in the industry to grow their own greenfield campaigns. And they came to an abrupt stop over the last quarter. And that freed a ton of good guys who were lured by higher premiums and stuff, because this is how the juniors can attract people, and we are presently enjoying a much stable position. And therefore, our, let's say, no show or half crew impact is getting negligible as of today.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] There are no further questions. So at this time, I will turn the conference back to Mr. Simoncini for closing remarks.
Daniel Simoncini
executiveThank you, everybody, for listening to us. I wish you a great weekend, and we talk next February for our full year end results. Have a good day. Bye-bye.
Jean-Pierre Charmensat
executiveGoodbye.
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, this does conclude your conference call for this morning. We would like to thank everyone for participating, and you may now disconnect your lines.
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