Gladstone Land Corporation (LAND) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 8, 2020

NASDAQ US Real Estate Specialized REITs earnings 48 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

David Gladstone

executive
#1

Alright, thanks Stacy — that was a pleasant intro. I'm David Gladstone, and I'd like to welcome everyone to the quarterly conference call for Gladstone Land. Thanks to each of you for joining us today. We truly appreciate the time you've taken to hear our presentation. What we're doing today will be a shortened version. Should you wish to hear the complete presentation we gave previously: visit the IR page on our website, which is at Gladstone Land. Then head to the events and presentation page, and you're able to listen to it however many times you'd like. We'll begin today with Michael LiCalsi. He serves as our General Counsel and Secretary. He's also President of Gladstone Administration, the administrator for this fund as well as our other funds that we manage. Michael, please go ahead.

Michael LiCalsi

executive
#2

Appreciate that, David. Greetings to all of you as well. Today's report may include forward-looking statements issued pursuant to the Securities Act of 1933 and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, among them being statements regarding our anticipated future performance. Such forward-looking statements involve specific risks and uncertainties, and they are based on our current plans, which we believe to be reasonable. A number of factors could cause our actual results to differ materially from any future results expressed or implied by these forward-looking statements, including each risk factor disclosed in our Forms 10-K and 10-Q, or in the documents you observe that we have filed with the SEC. Those are available, again, on our website at www.gladstonefarms.com — head specifically to the investor relations page — or on the SEC's website at www.sec.gov. We take on no obligation to publicly update or revise any of these forward-looking statements, whether because of new information, future events, or anything else, unless the law requires it. In today's discussion, we'll also cover FFO, meaning funds from operations. FFO is a non-GAAP accounting term whose definition is net income excluding gains or losses from real estate sales and any impairment losses on property, plus depreciation and amortization of real estate assets. We're going to talk about core FFO as well — that's funds from operations with certain nonrecurring revenues and expenses taken out, which is how we usually describe it. Then there's adjusted FFO, which takes core FFO and makes more changes for certain noncash items, like turning GAAP rents into normalized cash rents. Our view is that these measures provide a clearer picture of our operations and make it easier to compare how we perform across different periods. As we always do, we'd encourage you to stop by our website when you get a chance — that's gladstonefarms.com, once again. You can sign up for our e-mail notification service too. You'll also find it on Facebook, where the keyword to search is "the Gladstone companies." Over on Twitter, you can find us at the handle @GladstoneComps. To start, this conversation will just summarize what we reported, so please look at our press release and Form 10-Q, which both came out 2 days ago, if you want the fuller details. Also, you're able to hear the initial recording of this earnings call from yesterday at 8:30, which is available on the investor relations section of our site. At this point, I'll hand things over to David Gladstone. David?

David Gladstone

executive
#3

Thank you, Michael. As many of you are aware, March 31, 2019, got off to a very sluggish beginning and ended up being an outstanding year where acquisitions were concerned. Now, quite similar to the prior year, this year finishing March 31, 2020, has opened from an acquisition perspective with a really sluggish beginning. That said, we delivered yet another robust quarter operationally, which you can see reflected in the figures for March 31, 2020. Lease renewals keep going well for our team, and we remain capable of renewing leases on the farms we already hold while raising the net rent rates on certain of our newer farms. In our view, these higher rental rates signal how strongly the company's farms are in demand, and they also point to ongoing recognition of the worth we see in the properties we possess, along with many farms throughout the West Coast and in California too. Let me now briefly address how the government's closures have affected the farm business. Honestly, there is no meaningful effect on any portion of the farming tenants and tenant business. The reason is simply that between 90% and 95% of what gets grown on our farms is sold through grocery stores such as Krogers and Safeways and Costco and Walmart and comparable outlets. Only a tiny share of the produce going to the food services industry originates from our farms. That industry consists mainly of restaurants and institutions, including schools and other locations where meals are provided. And I believe, when you examine it, the entire movement has been in the direction of grocery stores. Nobody has quit eating. They're simply consuming more of it — from grocery stores, so this has been a favorable transition that has helped our farmers and our farm-related products. As for the supply disruption. Someone raised a question about that. We haven't heard about any delivery issues from our farmers. The majority of large farmers who sell to the big grocery stores are doing just fine. Firms such as Walmart and Kroger maintain control over their distribution and logistics and shipping and all of that. Our farmers typically aren't part of that, apart from loading the trucks from the coolers they operate out in California or in Florida. The availability of trucks appears adequate, and although demand is high, it has stayed steady. Gasoline is abundant and inexpensive, so transporting produce to market doesn't cost much. Furthermore, most of our tenants have sales contracts for their produce and delivery agreements lined up long before the season starts. This is simply how the program works. Back in December and January, people were signing contracts for strawberry delivery across the spring and summer. So we aren't seeing anything occur right now with respect to any of that. As I believe most of you are aware, and as our press releases have discussed, we hold roughly 88,000 acres across 113 farms, spanning 10 states. Whether we look at third-party appraisals or what we actually paid for these farms, the total fair value is currently estimated at approximately $892 million. My expectation is that by this time next year, we will comfortably exceed $1 billion. Here's some great news: our farms remain 100% occupied, and they're leased out to 70 different tenants, none of whom are related to us. There is 1 tenant who pays slowly and owes us roughly one payment, and that's because of a delayed payment this farmer has experienced from their processing plants. I believe we've been working with this particular farmer for 7 years; his credit history with us has been solid, and I expect this situation will be resolved fairly quickly. I want to emphasize just this one point. We now own a substantial number of farms, and they're spread across enough distinct regions, with so many different farmers and so many different crop types, that we have sufficient diversification to safeguard the cash flows coming in — and therefore the dividends we distribute. When it comes to diversification, I'd say we're in good shape and fully diversified. In the first quarter, the team purchased 2 new farms for $7.5 million; and the leases on these farms include certain provisions, like annual escalations, so you're going to see those prices rise. And one quick note: these yield figures do factor in the operating expense that falls to us. At this point I'm going to slow down and simply ask whether you have any questions, because I'd prefer to spend this time answering them. And if you'd like to read about us from what we've posted on our website, you're welcome to do so. Are there any questions out there, Stacy? We'll come on, and let's see whether any questions exist from some of the folks who are signed on.

Rob Stevenson

analyst
#4

David, in the current environment — whether we mean right now or before COVID — how fierce is the competition for farm sales and leasebacks in your markets? Basically, how many well-funded rivals operate in your main markets today, doing deals in which the farmer sells you the land and remains on it, or where you acquire farms for a larger operator to work, and so forth? Give us your take on the competitive landscape.

David Gladstone

executive
#5

Of course. Our rivals tend to be neighboring farmers who own the adjacent farm, and they show up to place bids. Conditions aren't as tough as they once were, yet a number of private groups have concluded that what we do is extremely, extremely solid; and they're competing out there. You notice them most often on the West Coast. Florida is a curious case, since it fluctuates week to week, and figuring out who's active there and who will bid is genuinely difficult. Occasionally, folks we've partnered with purchase a farm without involving us. That happened once in the last year. So people are present there, but it doesn't resemble, say, certain Midwestern states. In Iowa, buyers are plentiful. Folks examine what the land is truly rated at and decide what price they'll offer; and in my view, every square inch of Iowa is recognized for soil quality, and nearly everyone bidding understands that soil quality and bids on that basis; that marketplace isn't where we operate. As you're aware, we've completed some deals in the Midwest, but not in the corn, wheat, and soy regions; we're in Colorado doing potatoes and similar things. We don't encounter that type of buyer in those places. So it's a one-on-one kind of relationship. And unless you're prepared to head out and knock on doors and collaborate with people, you need folks on the ground doing that work. And as you're aware, we have staff in every one of these marketplaces where we operate. So competition is really competition for the seller's attention. And I believe a massive transfer of wealth lies ahead as people start selling their farms and moving on. Farms are — achieving any kind of scale in this business is hard. You need hundreds and hundreds of acres for a farm to work. A 100-acre farm alone won't do, the way it could 20, 30 years ago. So I'm not sure whether we've answered your question, Rob.

Rob Stevenson

analyst
#6

Yes, that's quite useful. Then, Lewis, since you folks are starting the Series C, what goal does the company have regarding the preferred portion within the capital stack? And what would you consider your upper limit for how much you'd be prepared to raise it before you'd have to sell common to pull it back toward a more typical day-to-day level?

Lewis Parrish

executive
#7

At this moment, the objective is — we absolutely don't want to exceed a 1:1 equity split of common versus preferred. So as of now, we sit at 50% leverage on a debt basis, and that figure leaves out all preferred stock. Therefore, I believe we've got some room to proceed with the Series C.

Ben Zucker

analyst
#8

Can you hear me all right?

David Gladstone

executive
#9

We can.

Ben Zucker

analyst
#10

Thanks. I've got a quick one. In your press releases, I saw mention that certain farmers are actually seeing sales volumes that are unusually strong because of the virus, and I'm curious whether that might carry an implication or a read-through for your participation rents. I suppose my question has 2 parts. To begin with, we're aware that you've been bringing on additional rents featuring those participation components, but setting that to one side, based on what you've observed so far, would you anticipate this being an especially strong year for those participation rents? Also, could those come in earlier in the year — maybe starting to show up gradually during the second quarter — since farmers have had such a strong beginning to the year?

David Gladstone

executive
#11

Ben, the major surge came about when the shutdown started and folks went to supermarkets for their food. Since they were at the supermarket, they decided to grab some produce as well. That led to a significant shift. My sense is that in those initial two weeks, prices rose 20% to 30%. After that, things kind of stabilized and dropped back, and what we've observed is inconsistent pricing. At times, the onion category underperformed for a period, and then unexpectedly rebounded with real strength. My sense is that Vidalia onions arriving from Georgia played a role in lifting onion sales. The U.S. government supplies us with the statistics, and while that data arrives with some delay, my expectation is that pricing will stay fairly stable, aside from the customary annual bump that certain farms implement. That said, I don't anticipate any percentage rent payouts happening ahead of schedule, and with luck, percentage rents will deliver another solid year. At this point, my expectation is roughly flat versus a year ago, maybe slightly down. Honestly, I can't say where the — when everything shakes out, what the final figure will be. Every year that late-arriving unknown shows up, and we keep attempting to predict how it will land. I'm constantly pushing the folks on my team for a projection, and they push back, since their visibility is no better than anyone throwing dice in Las Vegas. So predicting what actually arrives is really tough. Apologies. That's the best picture I can offer you, Ben.

Ben Zucker

analyst
#12

No, no — that's still useful. I suppose I'm just shifting over to the market and how quickly new acquisitions are happening. You said you had a slower beginning to the year, which I assume is typical since, the way I see it, activity can sometimes be pushed ahead into the fourth quarter annually. And you recently announced an acquisition worth $3.5 million, so could you describe how you view your liquidity position at quarter end, given the operating environment and your pipeline for the near to intermediate term?

Lewis Parrish

executive
#13

I'll address the liquidity side. What I mean is, at present, we hold a lot of cash. Our liquidity sits at roughly $55 million; that figure includes somewhere around $25 million, $30 million in cash on hand; plus $25 million of availability under the — under our credit lines. There are a couple of unencumbered properties we could also leverage. So when it comes to liquidity, we have ample capital, and our lenders continue extending credit to us on favorable terms, so nothing worries us on the capital front.

David Gladstone

executive
#14

When it comes to deals in the works, we have quite a few listed here, and ideally they all land at once — I'd prefer a cluster of closings over a scattered pace with nothing finalizing. So there are plenty of opportunities in motion. I'm not sure. One item on the list is a potato farm, roughly $20 million. Basic terms are agreed, but it won't move forward until June. Many of these farmers are extremely busy. Early in the year, they were putting crops in the ground, making their plans, purchasing seeds and plants, which explains the slow pace. We've removed a few from the list I have here, simply because their asking price for the farm is too high, so we'll wait on them. Should they decide to return and accept our figure, that's fine. Looking at some of the newer entries on the list — I've probably got 30 or 40 here — some are early stage. Others are a bit further along. Just to give you a sense of what's in the pipeline: organic feed grains and oil seeds. We've taken a look at that. I'm not sure. I'd estimate a solid $100 million that we'll complete over time. And considering what's currently out there, perhaps $95 million carries high probability, and I believe those will close; it's — I'm not sure. We finalized one of our best deals a year ago. That one sat in the pipeline for roughly 10 years, ever since I spoke with them long ago; so these farmers will engage with you for quite a while. We've also attempted to move into other regions; there are a couple of individuals in North Carolina we're evaluating who ought to materialize at some point; it would be great to have more presence in North Carolina. Once you establish yourself in a region and word spreads among those in that farming area — John nearby sold his farm and leased it back — they grow curious and begin asking questions; so it's a matter of penetration, of breaking into the farming community and building relationships with people, but I believe we're in good shape. I'm not certain we'll match last year's volume. I'm optimistic, though — we ought to post a strong figure and push ourselves to the $1 billion mark.

Ben Zucker

analyst
#15

That's useful. Regarding the farm you recently acquired in Nebraska — I noticed it's a triple net lease property. Could you share whether participation rents apply to it as well, and what the initial going-in cap rate would be?

David Gladstone

executive
#16

The cap rate comes to 5.5%. Participation rents aren't part of that arrangement.

Ben Zucker

analyst
#17

All right, that's great. And the final thing from my side. Clearly, the new Series C preferred program has just been rolled out. I suppose, would it be reasonable to think that in today's climate — does investor appetite exist for that? How would you characterize the demand from investors right out of the gate under these conditions for the Series C compared with the extraordinary speed at which Series B shares were sold? Just so we can factor that in and incorporate it into our model.

David Gladstone

executive
#18

Well, we need to determine the number of contracts that will be signed. My sense is we've only got 5 or 6, possibly as many as 10; we had been operating at roughly 55 sales contracts. You must enter into an agreement with the brokerage firm that employs the men and women doing the selling before they can even head out into the streets and begin selling; therefore, I'd say it will take some time for us to reach the 50 or so that we required to move at a solid pace. The positive side is that this is a significantly bigger transaction, and we may complete deals — we are completing deals with some considerably larger groups; and should we land 1 or 2 of those, things will move quite quickly. I don't particularly enjoy moving quickly because that means I must locate farms and close them. We cannot keep a great deal of money sitting on the balance sheet, not generating income; so my expectation is that it will probably begin to ramp up in the fall, rather than early summer, and that stems from the fact that it's more difficult to get people through the due diligence process. Every one of these groups has due diligence officers, and they must give their approval; and although they approved the B, they now have to go back and approve the C. So from that angle it's a bureaucratic tangle, but they are performing their duties; so Ben, I believe it will go smoothly once we have all the selling agreements in place.

Ben Zucker

analyst
#19

Understood. So I suppose the positive here is that with the new management fee structure, although you'd incur interest expense tied to excess liquidity from the preferred offering, that fee won't go up until the capital has actually been put to work. So I think investors can take a bit of reassurance from that. That's all I had, everyone.

Henry Coffey

analyst
#20

The press only seems to report the negative side. Given the variety of properties, farm types, and product types in your holdings, which areas are genuinely performing well? Which areas are genuinely struggling within the portfolio?

David Gladstone

executive
#21

The best part, naturally, is that every farm we acquired is paying according to the terms. So I'd say the portfolio right now is as solid as it has ever been, Henry. On the downside, naturally, you can't predict what weather will bring, since what you're growing out there is a living crop sitting in the open. And so we got plenty of rain this year in California; it helped for a time and then became excessive. All the planting is done at this point, which is a positive. If you consider the Midwest, those folks got rain last year that prevented them from getting crops in the ground. And so I believe we're in fine shape in that region. Potatoes are seeing strong demand. I suppose, while you're at home, having a potato beats heading out; and because of that, some operations simply can't harvest them fast enough to meet orders, while others proceed at their usual rate; so nothing out there right now is threatening us. COVID-19 isn't the issue. The issue is what the crazy government is doing to halt COVID-19; and until people are back out working and eating and visiting restaurants and doing all those things, I think for us things will continue as they are at present. We're in a solid position. We haven't endured any — nobody in the group has — we don't — I'm not even aware of anyone who has contracted COVID-19. Consequently, every one of our employees is doing well. Everyone we deal with is doing well, and everything is proceeding as though there's no tomorrow when it comes to people purchasing food. I feel very confident about it right now, Henry; and we truly don't see anyone out there close to bankruptcy or facing difficulties. Those few deals that were lagging, we eliminated them, in terms of bringing in new participants. So at this moment, everything looks bright. That doesn't guarantee it'll look bright next week, but it looks bright today.

Henry Coffey

analyst
#22

It also doesn't seem as though any of your farms are struggling with labor, whether that's bringing folks in to bring in the harvest and take care of the crops, and so on.

David Gladstone

executive
#23

Yes, that's correct. And early in the season, there was a bit of concern that there weren't sufficient workers — in Mexico to meet what the market needed, yet every one of them turned up. And since they aren't building anything, they have to look for employment; and lots of the construction guys will come pick strawberries or apples or whatever it is whenever they feel like coming. So at this point, labor isn't an issue. I was concerned about labor since the — my concern was that the administration would not permit people from Mexico to enter the country. Around 70%, perhaps a larger share, of those working on the farms of our bigger groups are simply permanent. They never return. And I'm not sure how many of them are legal, but each one has a green card; and because of that, I believe we're fine when it comes to labor.

Henry Coffey

analyst
#24

Then I had — folks were talking a bit about that preferred issuance of yours and the way you've been handling it. Given how cheap rates are, have you talked at all with institutional investors about placing permanent debt rather than preferred? Or does the market look too wild for something like that?

David Gladstone

executive
#25

No, things aren't too wild out there. The rates we get on those long-term mortgages we place on the farms are really low. I'd say we're at roughly 2.5%, 2.75%...

Lewis Parrish

executive
#26

The most recent one we did this quarter, 4 years fixed at 2.66%.

David Gladstone

executive
#27

At this moment, mortgages represent the least expensive option available to us when it comes to debt or preferred. Preferred is something I favor, and I must pay slightly more for it since I prefer preferred that's permanent. What I don't want is it maturing the way debts do. In the accountants' analysis, they also handle it far more favorably for us, yet it remains an obligation that must be satisfied. Not once have we failed to pay a dividend on either the preferreds or the common, so this company's track record is solid. My sense is that we're in good shape, Henry. I'm aware something will eventually show up; we certainly never imagined we'd face this sort of trouble with the virus, but here we stand with folks terrified out of their wits that the virus will somehow catch them; yet honestly, when you stop and consider it, it's merely another virus, and it isn't taking more lives than a few of the other ordinary viruses do. So my feeling about where we stand today is relatively positive. My only wish is that the government would return all of us to work.

John Massocca

analyst
#28

To build a bit on what was just said, could you weigh in on whether deal activity has been held back by the coronavirus — whether from the purely logistical side of getting a closing done, things that perhaps can't be completed when it comes to underwriting, or other such factors? Or is it maybe that players in the market have hit pause on their selling and buying simply because they're attempting to work out where prices are headed, with all the shifting dynamics in the economy? Basically, have you noticed any change in transaction volumes beginning around late March?

David Gladstone

executive
#29

The truth is, on our end, January, February and March were weak, as you're aware, John. We simply didn't get much closed, and that had nothing to do with any virus. That's simply how the market operates. My sense is the virus has caused some folks to slow down, since they're trying to work out, "What if I fall ill and — then what?" They're going — the press has frightened everyone terribly, so at this moment they genuinely don't know what they ought to be doing. We don't have any guidance to offer. That said, the virus has caused some individuals to free up cash and reduce exposure. There's a particular group in Florida really wrestling with what their next move ought to be, and we're standing by them. We'll purchase the whole lot and lease it right back to them. Even so, everybody feels a bit on edge about this whole having-to-remain-at-home situation. Obviously, no farmer is actually remaining at home. Every one of them is out there on the farm. All of them are exempt. They're putting in hard work. A handful of them have masks on. My sense is that the majority do not. So what that means is, there are folks out there who understand their situation is solid, and for them, spending time outside working the land is a benefit, not a drawback. And this kind of operation is going to keep going pretty much no matter what comes along. Think about it — you've got a plant, or a tree, and it keeps growing, and it keeps turning out its product. And you'd better figure out where that product is going to go, because it's on its way. So nothing shuts this down unless a hurricane or some other event shows up and strips the blossoms right off those trees. Nothing like that is happening right now, but John, this is simply one of those situations that's going to keep moving forward. The only thing this hinges on is putting the plants into the soil. After that happens, anyone can gaze across the farm and see what's on the way. When your strawberry plants are covered in white blossoms, you'd best start preparing yourself, since those plants are about to deliver a huge quantity of berries, and they'll keep yielding fruit for half a year. The way I see it, people are acting as though this were a machine with an on/off switch. Absolutely, you can shut it down. You could plow your fields under, but restarting the whole thing is anything but easy. Once they activate it, things get moving. In my view, the amount of shifting over has been pumped up somewhat because of the coronavirus, the shutdowns, and folks just not having a clue what's coming and feeling on edge about it. Even so, plenty of these farmers are able to look after themselves. They've got other crops in the ground. So if the government stays closed, they will produce enough to put food on the table for their own families. It's a throwback to earlier times, when you'd buy 100, 150 acres and you'd plant your cash crop along with food for your own household. In my view, growers are resilient, and they will show up daily no matter what; we just need to recognize that conditions right now are unusual and that this situation isn't going away. Is there a chance it could escalate dramatically? Certainly. You could imagine something occurring out in the fields involving some kind of — I'm not sure. I came across articles about parts of Africa where massive swarms of locusts are devouring everything in their path. And I remember reading about similar things happening in the Midwest. My understanding is that Florida and California have never experienced them, though a comparable phenomenon might emerge and wipe out — wipe them out; it's just an entirely different reality from the one the majority of us live in. Then we'd return to our residence; we step inside, eat our evening meal, and get up the following morning, after which we head to the workplace and park ourselves here to handle tasks. Alternatively, consider a farmer — you're aware that throughout winter there's leisure time to slack off, yet you must prepare to plant crops and get moving, since conditions are going to shift and off it goes. Figuring out what the government will do next is tough, but forecasting warmer weather is simple. That song stays with me — tomorrow the sun rises, so rise it will. Crops are going to grow, and your job is to be prepared, to pull what's on the vines or trees, pack it into boxes, and send it out. In California we have a box barn, and there they begin making boxes, since everything gets shipped in boxes, including plastic ones. What's remarkable is that they arrive flat. They've got these machines that roll out and basically operate nonstop, since the throughput they deliver is simply outstanding. That side of things functions in an entirely different way, and people need time to wrap their minds around that. Think about the folks doing the growing — a number of them are massive. Look at particular strawberry or vegetable businesses: they're pulling in roughly $1.5 billion to $2 billion in sales, and that figure reflects the gross level, not the final price tag consumers see in stores. So you're dealing with a business built on huge volume, and John, from what I can tell, they're in a pretty strong spot at the moment. When it comes to our own situation, we're feeling pretty good about it.

John Massocca

analyst
#30

All right. And perhaps more precisely — I realize that with the portfolio having expanded, it no longer carries the same weight, relatively speaking — but could you share what you're picking up from tenants about how that early strawberry season has performed? I'm aware a few of your properties depend on that early strawberry season. Any detail at all would help.

David Gladstone

executive
#31

Yes. Naturally, Florida enjoyed a fantastic year, since they simply kept at it. Out on the West Coast, the season got going behind schedule. As a result, on the strawberry front they earned quite a bit of cash this year. In California, the strawberry side hasn't truly found its rhythm as of yet, though my sense is they're picking up steam now. And I was examining the prices being paid in New York, since New York has a habit of purchasing plenty of strawberries, and those are available to you. You're able to visit the Department of Agriculture's website and locate them; and I receive a daily subscription with pricing information. And it's remaining quite firm. Everyone is consuming plenty of strawberries along with plenty of nuts and plenty of the good things we cultivate, so what we're witnessing is everything progressing at an excellent clip. And I sympathize with all my peers operating in a different region, but this particular one happens to be performing very well at the moment. When you examine pricing, it's robust. It has the capacity to — it has the capacity to shift week by week — have they completed the Mother's Day pull at this point? On Mother's Day, Mama receives a great many strawberries. So it's among those occurrences that simply takes place annually. There's a pull, and everyone is attempting to reach the grocery stores at the proper moment for it. Grocery stores employ strawberries as a means of drawing customers in. They'll mark them down enormously so that people will enter the store. And nuts are simply — they're a once-per-year type of item. At the close of the year they shake the tree, gather it up, clean it up and transport it to the crusher so the shells can be removed. It's a — every single one of these things we do differs from the rest. So if blueberries are what you grow, that differs from strawberries. If you're cultivating something else — and every one of those has its own distinct route to market. It has its own distinct method of being sold. So all of these, if you care to regard them that way, are small industries, and my feeling is that we have a firm grasp on it, given how many capable people with solid experience we've brought on. And a number of our folks have themselves been growers, and they've spent time out in the fields and they understand when is the right moment to sell and to buy. These are merely one component of the entire set of items we handle here. There's nothing we've got that's terribly bad, or where the product itself is terribly bad. I mean, quite a few years back, Georgia's blueberry sector got overproduced, and half the blueberries got discarded. A lot of people aren't aware, but half of all strawberries harvested end up tossed in a ditch, since strawberries generate an enormous amount of volume. Actually, were you to check the Department of Agriculture and look up which items grown in the United States yield the largest volume by tonnage, it comes down to 2 things. Strawberries are one, and you'd never guess that; the other, naturally, is that you must gather the entire stock when processing sugar; and sugar beets are enormous, yet they ruin the soil since they extract so much of what's in the ground that allows things to grow. So John, I can't put it any other way than, if you go through each of the products we work on one by one — I don't understand why people consume so much lettuce, but they do. And California is a lettuce bread basket, if you like thinking of it that way, massive amounts; everyone's always forecasting that these indoor farms will take away the — and they do. They take away some volume, but they're nowhere near what an acre of land in California can produce regarding leafy greens. Regardless, a great moment to be in this business. I haven't observed any shrinking of any of the parts, apart from just a slow acquisition pace. And I wish I knew the reason, but I suppose, if we doubled the price, they'd step up pretty fast. But we won't do that, because then we wouldn't make any money.

John Massocca

analyst
#32

Got it. Then just a final quick item from my side. I understand that after the quarter closed, you signed those two new leases, but aside from those, thinking about the agreements rolling off during the rest of the year, what's a reasonable expectation for how those rental rates might move — could they go up, or possibly even come down? Any insight would help.

David Gladstone

executive
#33

Sure. For a few of those farmers, the soil requires some attention. That means we'll need to invest some money. Alternatively, they could contribute funds and then pay reduced rent, though completing those arrangements will take time. My hope is that once we reach the end of the year, we'll be better positioned to work out the lease terms — though it's impossible to say, John. There's a chance it could drop by 10% on that 5% — roughly 5% of revenue is what we're dealing with...

Lewis Parrish

executive
#34

Slightly lower.

David Gladstone

executive
#35

Under 5% of revenue will go into a legal structure, which lets us see what we'll receive moving forward. So there could be a small drop on that front.

Craig Kucera

analyst
#36

I've had most of my questions answered already, though there were a couple more I hoped to get to. My sense is that during the prior year, several blueberry farms of yours were generating participation rents, while you also closed quite a few deals in that same period that carried participating rent provisions. Since demand has been so robust at certain grocery stores during this quarter, can you help frame or give us a way to think about how you're viewing what participating rents could contribute in Q2?

David Gladstone

executive
#37

I — none will show up in the second quarter; there could be a few toward the close of this quarter or as the third quarter gets underway; it's a solid business. I'm a big fan. A new product has hit the market. The bulk of it comes from Peru, and they've begun planting some over here; these are the giant blueberries. In lots of cases they're bigger than your thumb, and the inside is fairly consistent. And a California-based group came up with that blueberry. So growers are putting that in the ground. There's also a blueberry plant I haven't seen grown commercially, which blooms two times per year. That would mean double, if you could make it work properly for the — for every one of the commercial operators; so blueberries are a fantastic segment. Everyone adores blueberries, and because of that, the volume of blueberries is enormous. One thing that has always concerned me about blueberries is that you can harvest them — and they grow in bunches. You can grab the bunch. You can remove the majority of the berries from a single bunch and place them in a pile, and there's no telling which will be sour and which will be sweet. I have no means of figuring that out, and I wish that at some point someone would solve why a blueberry bush turns out some that aren't as sweet as the rest. But that's what happens, and no particular variety seems to exist that yields only the very sweet ones. Because, as you know, in the United States, folks have a sweet tooth, so they want everything sweet. Does that answer your question?

Craig Kucera

analyst
#38

Yeah, that sounds right. What I meant was, I wasn't really referring only to blueberries — I was asking whether there were any kinds of crops you purchased in the prior year, since you truly began increasing the use of participation rent provisions in your deals, where you'd likely enjoy a fairly strong upside from the surge in grocery demand we're seeing in Q2? And perhaps that's only those blueberry farms located in North Carolina. Perhaps that's the case — or perhaps it isn't. I simply hoped to get some sense of that.

David Gladstone

executive
#39

Yes. I don't — to provide any sort of answer, I'd need to revisit and examine the yields we received from every one of those farms, but my sense is there won't be a significant shift regarding how much comes from participation rents during this year that wraps up in December.

Lewis Parrish

executive
#40

Craig, as far as the second quarter goes, we aren't counting on much — possibly nothing at all. Much like what we've seen in earlier years, everything, or at least the bulk of it, will land during Q3 and Q4.

Craig Kucera

analyst
#41

Understood, that's clear. One additional thing from me: across many other REIT sectors where competition is fierce, quite a few purchasers got eliminated because of how they'd finance things and their ability to reach capital. For you, that obviously isn't an issue, but in the competitive environment, are you noticing perhaps a smaller number of buyers? Or is it truly just a different sort of buyer group compared with what we'd likely observe in other REIT asset classes.

David Gladstone

executive
#42

Our stocks have done really nicely, so having buyers doesn't strike me as an issue. What really matters is how do we turn this into a $10 stock instead of — and move a lot of shares. I suppose the way to accomplish that is by cutting the dividend, something I have never done, and I have no desire to do either. In any case, if we could push this to roughly $20 per share, that would make me quite pleased. Where are we, $15 — $14 right now. $14 is a fantastic price. On one hand, I'd want to sell plenty of shares at $14 apiece. The sole distinction is that I hold a large position here and I don't wish to be diluted, so I'd prefer something along the lines of the preferred or — and before we toss out some insane figure. And I'm not sure. You understand the marketplace better than I do. If we could get the stock to climb — there are REITs in this world yielding 2% and 3%. Considering what this company is built on, which is land, I simply can't see why we aren't grouped with some of them that appear so shielded from everything happening globally. We appear so unlike everything else out there. I watch some of my colleagues in the REIT industry who've been hurt so severely by these shutdowns. I question whether it might take 10 years before they regain their strength. I see us moving straight through this and, across the coming 10 years, simply being steady output, carrying on unless there's some — what they refer to as the black swan arriving from somewhere we didn't — we don't know since we aren't thinking far enough outside the box. Still, this is a fascinating period we're in, and I'm simply glad we can retain every one of our people without needing to lay off anyone or do anything of that sort. And I believe it speaks to the team here, in how they choose crops and how they choose sales and build relationships that have sustained the company for so long and so effectively; and if we can bring this up to approximately $2 billion in assets, certainly by then we'll be at a 2% or 3% yield rather than wherever we currently stand.

David Gladstone

executive
#43

Alright everyone, I apologize for handling it in two stages, but it was nice getting input from each of you. And with that, we're wrapping up this discussion.

Operator

operator
#44

Everyone, that wraps up the conference calls for today. We appreciate you joining us, and enjoy the rest of your day. You're free to disconnect now.

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