Gladstone Land Corporation (LAND) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

May 8, 2024

NASDAQ US Real Estate Specialized REITs earnings 42 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

David Gladstone

executive
#1

Alright, thanks, Latonya — that was a pleasant introduction. And as she mentioned, I'm David Gladstone, and we're glad to have all of you join the conference call we hold each quarter for Gladstone Land. We appreciate everyone dialing in today and for setting aside part of your day to hear what we have to present. Before I get started, we'll have Michael LiCalsi, who serves as our General Counsel, take it from here. Michael, please go ahead.

Michael LiCalsi

executive
#2

Thanks, David. Today's report could include forward-looking statements as defined by the Securities Act of 1933 and the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, among them statements regarding our future performance. Such forward-looking statements involve specific risks and uncertainties based on our present plans, which we believe are reasonable. That said, numerous factors might cause our actual results to differ materially. Regarding the various future outcomes expressed or implied in these forward-looking statements, including every risk factor contained in our Forms 10-K and 10-Q along with other filings we make with the SEC, those can be found on our website, www.gladstoneland.com. Specifically, visit the investors section, or you can find them on the SEC's site at www.sec.gov; furthermore, we assume no duty to publicly update or revise any of these forward-looking statements, whether due to fresh information, upcoming occurrences, or anything else, unless legally mandated. Today, we'll discuss FFO, meaning Funds From Operations. FFO is a non-GAAP accounting term that refers to net income minus gains or losses from real estate sales and any property impairment losses, plus depreciation and amortization of real estate assets. Next, let's cover core FFO, which we typically describe as FFO with adjustments made for specific revenues and expenses that don't recur, along with adjusted FFO, which takes core FFO and further modifies it for particular non-cash items — for example, translating GAAP rents into normalized cash rents. In our view, these metrics provide clearer insight into how our operations are performing and make it easier to compare results across different periods. Head over to our website — again, that address is gladstoneland.com. Please subscribe to our email notification service. We're on Facebook too. Search for the keyword The Gladstone Companies. You can also find us on Twitter at @gladstonecomps. This call is just meant to give you a summary of how we did, so please take a look at the press release and the Form 10-Q we put out yesterday if you want the fuller picture. With that said, I'll hand things back to David Gladstone. David?

David Gladstone

executive
#3

All right, thanks, Michael. As usual, I’ll begin with a quick summary. Right now we hold roughly 112,000 acres spread across 168 farms, plus water assets of about 49,000 acre-feet, and that amount is growing at present. A single acre-foot works out to roughly 326,000 gallons, which means we have close to 16 billion gallons of water. That water safeguards our land, since land has little value without it. Taken together, the acreage and water carry an approximate total valuation of $1.5 billion. Our farms sit in 15 states and, more significantly, 29 growing regions, while every one of our water assets is located in California. Those farms are rented out to 90 tenant farmers, and the tenants cultivate 60 crop varieties, largely fruits, largely vegetables, along with plenty of nuts. All of it shows up in the produce aisle at your supermarket, and that’s where the majority of these crops get sold. Let me pause here for a moment. With diversification of this kind — and we are indeed well diversified — you’ll encounter issues in certain regions, and that’s simply part of the diversification you’re working to preserve. Take almonds and pistachios: demand for both has fallen, so prices are weak right now, and rebalancing could take years. Almonds are a globally traded crop, and consumption has dropped compared with earlier times, while inflation and farming expenses have pushed up the cost of growing them. As a result, some consumers can no longer afford almonds and pistachios, and that weaker demand creates trouble for every farmer we have in that area. Certain farms do run into trouble. Michigan blueberries, for instance, enjoyed a fairly strong harvest this season and decent sales, yet one of our farmers there suffered a very tragic accident. He got hurt and was unable to work his farm. So we’re proceeding with selling those farms, and we expect to be fine once the sale is complete. With luck, that closes before this year ends. We also have a handful of grape farms lacking the varietals that wine producers are looking for, so those are going up for sale too — we’ll attempt to sell a few of them. That’s simply what farmland ownership is like. It resembles owning businesses. You don’t want stock. I didn’t want shareholders to believe farmland ownership is shielded from the economy’s highs and lows or from the farming business itself. I expect that over the remainder of calendar year 2024, we’ll resolve these issues. Other areas of farming face difficulties as well, tomatoes being one. Mexico has been providing subsidies for tomatoes, which has damaged tomato growers. We’re extremely fortunate to have no tomato farms, so that difficulty passes us by. In the same way, we never put money into citrus. Florida’s citrus growers have had an awful time. We own a small number of citrus trees, though none of them are in Florida. Florida's groves have been ravaged by disease, and a recovery might never happen. Oranges are being brought in from production elsewhere around the globe, plus people are drinking less orange juice. As a kid, I recall consuming a great deal of orange juice. Consumption today is lower than it was 20 years back, so avoiding the Florida orange juice sector is a wise move on our part. That's the big picture, and I came up with that thought last evening and chose to include it in what we're discussing. Next, a brief report on the tenant matters we've been addressing, which we've described to you before. Right now, 2 properties covering 4 of the 168 farms we own sit empty, along with properties covering 11 farms run directly through the management agreement; we've had to step in and operate quite a few farms ourselves. On top of that, we recognize revenue on a cash basis from leases with 2 tenants who together lease 4 of our farms. As for the vacant properties and the farms we're operating, talks are underway with a range of possible buyers or tenants to purchase or lease these properties, and I believe much of this will get resolved over the next six months; so my hope is that when we report in July, a great deal of it will be behind us. Two tenants are on non-accrual status. One has now caught up on rental payments owed to us, and we keep working to collect from the others. The overall year-over-year effect on our operating results — these tenant problems lowered our net operating income by roughly $750,000 in the Q1. As we've said on the last several calls, we stay cautious about new investments since our cost of capital is still high. Farmland rental rates haven't risen enough to offset all the added costs farmers face. And since farmland values stay elevated — meaning the landowners' values remain high and they insist on a high price — we simply don't believe the risk is worth taking. Consequently, acquisition activity stays slow for us and likely will for another couple of quarters. With inflation still running above the Fed's target, that's the core issue at present: the Federal Reserve has to cut rates, which could start at some point this year, yet it won't come close to being sufficient for the very large farmers. We don't own many of those, but for the small farmer, it really weighs them down quite badly. Still, on the whole, the farmland portfolio we already hold keeps performing roughly as anticipated, apart from those matters I just raised. As you're aware, we sold one property that produced a nice gain for us; it was a big farm in Florida that we acquired for approximately $54 million seven years ago. Throughout our ownership, we enjoyed solid rental income from that property, yet we ultimately divested it for $66 million. After closing costs are accounted for, we realized a gain of roughly $10 million, making it an outstanding success for us. I should point out that the sale price exceeded the appraisal value we had obtained before the transaction by approximately $2 million; consequently, we had marked it down during the quarter, then proceeded to sell it. This strikes me as solid evidence that we have not set excessively high prices across many of our farms. Turning to leasing activity, from the start of the quarter onward, we renegotiated or extended 4 leases covering farms located in 2 separate states. Collectively, these extensions should produce a reduction—rather than a rise—in yearly net operating income of roughly $800,000 each year, measured against the previous leases. That said, most of this decline stems from a single lease arrangement on a nut farm in California, where we lowered the fixed base rent in return for greater participation rent upside. Going forward, 5 leases are set to lapse within the coming 6 months.

David Gladstone

executive
#4

All told, that represents roughly 9% of the lease revenue we bring in. Conversations are underway with various groups about leasing these farms, and at this point we don't expect these to create any further vacancies. That said, a pair of the leases that are ending cover nut farms located in California, and in all likelihood the base rent on those will go down while participation rents go up. Those are a few of the issues currently in play. There's one more thing I want to bring up. As we said during the previous quarterly call, our California team has been putting in place a range of projects and strategies aimed at capitalizing on the excess water that has become available in California. A lot of you are aware that the rains have been enormous. We've gone through 2 extremely wet winters, which California doesn't normally get, and these weren't the small rains we occasionally get back east; the rainfall was of biblical proportions. I mean, people got washed away, and a handful of our farms took a bit of a hit from it. One farm ended up with more water than it could handle, so they weren't able to do as much with it, and now it's coming back this year. One of those projects was building the final groundwater recharge facility across 2 of our farms, and both wrapped up last year. Essentially, these function as water banks, which let us strike a variety of agreements with local water districts as well as private individuals, and those are anticipated to generate extra groundwater credits by permitting water to be held in our water banks. Over the quarter, we also managed to secure 2,676 acre-feet, which works out to about 872 million gallons, in water credits, at a total cash cost of roughly $345,000, or just about $129 per acre-foot, a figure well under market. These are going to be useful down the road. Farm valuations these days hinge on how much water a farm holds, and as a rule they need 2 water sources. Our view remains that projects like these matter for securing sustainable water supplies over the long term for our California farms, and we plan to keep concentrating on water security for our farms across all of 2024. Worth pointing out that, as of now, our portfolio has a sufficient water supply. Not one of our farms has been fallowed or left unfarmed over irrigation issues. Water shortages in certain areas have caused difficulties, and that isn't something we're experiencing on our farms. We also have questions about what government regulations might do. They do have rules governing water usage, and we've been through that process with a great many of our farms, and we appear to be sitting in good shape there; we do anticipate that these projects, together with the reserved water we hold for them, could continue for no less than 1 year without interruption, though my sense is they might last as long as 2 years given the volume of water we've captured. I'll leave it there. Lewis Parrish is going to take over now. Our CFO is the one who has a handle on the figures. Lewis, over to you?

Lewis Parrish

executive
#5

Thanks, David, and good morning, everyone. I'll start with a quick review of our recent financing activity. We didn't take on any new borrowings this quarter, though we did pay off roughly $16 million in bonds that came due. On the equity side, sales of the Series E preferred stock brought in net proceeds of approximately $250,000 during the quarter. Now on to operating results. For Q1, net income came to about $13.6 million, with net income to common shareholders of $7.4 million, or $0.21 per share. Adjusted FFO for the current quarter was roughly $5.1 million, or $0.143 per share, versus $5.9 million, or $0.166 per share, in the prior year quarter. Dividends declared per common share were $0.14 this quarter, compared with $0.138 in the prior year quarter. The main reasons for the drop in AFFO were lost income from the farm we sold in January and lower revenues tied to certain properties that sat vacant or in non-accrual status for parts of the quarter. Declines in certain operating expenses during Q1 2024 partly offset that. Fixed base cash rents fell by roughly $1 million year-over-year. That's mostly because of the factors I just described — namely, lost revenues from the farm we sold and certain other workout properties. Additional rents earned from capital improvements on some of our farms partly offset this decline. Participation rents were down by about $200,000 in the current quarter. This really comes down to the timing of when we receive certain information about crop sales. As of filing, we hadn't yet gotten enough information to record certain participation rent amounts for Q1, so we'll keep pushing for that information and hopefully finalize it in time for the Q2 filing. On the expense side, excluding reimbursable expenses and certain non-recurring or non-cash expenses, our core operating expenses fell by more than $500,000 in the current quarter. Property operating expenses were lower this quarter thanks to reduced spending on protecting water rights at certain California farms, along with declines in both legal fees and property management fees. G&A expenses fell because of lower amounts recorded for the upcoming shareholders' meeting and a decrease in certain professional fees. Notably, total related party fees were relatively flat year-over-year. Lastly, other expenses declined mainly from lower interest expense resulting from loan repayments we've made over the past year. With that, let's turn to net asset value. We had 35 farms revalued during the quarter, all through third-party appraisals. Overall, these valuations dropped by about $3.7 million, or 1%, from their previous valuations roughly a year ago. As of March 31st, our portfolio was valued at about $1.5 billion, and all of that value was supported by either third-party appraisals or actual purchase prices. Taking those revised valuations into account, along with the fair value of our debt and every preferred security, net asset value per common share came to $18.50 as of March 31st. That figure is lower than the $19.06 recorded at December 31st. Most of that decline stemmed from the change in fair value of our preferred securities, plus a drop in valuations for certain farms that were reappraised during the quarter. Moving to liquidity, when you factor in what's available on our lines of credit and other undrawn notes, we currently can access more than $200 million of liquidity, which includes nearly $60 million of cash on hand. On top of that, we hold over $130 million of unpledged properties. More than 99.9% of what we currently borrow carries fixed rates, and those rates, on a weighted average basis, are locked in at 3.39% for another 4.2 years. Because of that, rising interest rates have had only a minimal effect on our operating results. As for our current borrowings, our view is that we are well protected if interest rates stay elevated for a longer stretch. On the subject of debt maturities coming up, roughly $35 million is due over the next 12 months. That said, approximately $17 million of it consists of various loan maturities. Considering the value of the collateral behind them, we don't anticipate any trouble refinancing any of these loans should we decide to do so. Setting those maturities aside, roughly $18 million of amortizing principal payments comes due over the next 12 months, equal to about 3% of our current debt outstanding. Beyond that, we have roughly $6 million of loans that aren't maturing, though their fixed-rate term expires within the next 6 months, pardon me, within the next 12 months. Last, on our common distributions, we just increased our common dividend once more, to $0.0466 per share per month. This is the 34th time we've raised our common dividend across the past 37 quarters, producing a total increase of more than 55% during that span. With that, I'll hand the program back to David.

David Gladstone

executive
#6

Thank you, Lewis. We remain engaged in the marketplace whenever solid chances come along, yet a large number of these growers will simply hold off. Selling their property at a reduced price isn't something they'll do, even though that's what conditions today would require. As a result, farm values haven't gone down. They haven't gone down. A few have dipped slightly, but they need to fall substantially before we stop struggling so much to lease them out. Rates remain elevated right now, though we hold out hope they'll come down by the time autumn arrives, allowing us to resume acquiring additional farms. One last point I want to raise. Our view is that putting money into this acreage and into crops that support a healthy way of living, like fruits, vegetables, and nuts, aligns with the direction the current market is showing us. When it comes to choosing where our capital goes, we're in solid position in that respect. On the whole, appetite for top-tier farmland for cultivating berries and vegetables is, without question, steady to robust, and nearly every region in which we operate sits along the East Coast and the West Coast, specifically Florida's East Coast and California's West Coast. That's where the quality farmland for our purposes can be found. Keep in mind that buying shares of this business amounts to a long-term commitment to farmland. It resembles other tangible holdings, gold being one example. Land that simply remains in place and keeps yielding is a marvelous thing, and provided California has water, I believe we'll be fine. Urban builders are pushing a great deal of what's happening, above all in California and Florida, where a great many of our farms sit. In contrast to gold and other substitute assets, this represents an active holding that generates cash flow for investors, and our view is that we outperform a bond, since with a bond, the interest rate on the one you already hold doesn't rise; thus we anticipate inflation, especially within the food segment, will keep climbing as time goes on, and we anticipate that the worth of the farmland beneath will rise accordingly. We think this holds particularly true for fresh produce and within the food segment. And the pattern of a greater number of Americans consuming wholesome foods keeps expanding. So instead of having me keep describing our activities, perhaps we should take some questions. Latonya, would you like to step in and explain to them the way to do that?

Michael LiCalsi

executive
#7

Hi. We're waiting for the Q&A, please.

Rob Stevenson

analyst
#8

Morning, everyone. David, those 14 Michigan farms — does one single operator hold the leases on all of them, the same one you mentioned had the accident? Or do several different operators run them?

David Gladstone

executive
#9

There are several, though I believe just two remain at this point. We've gotten it down to two.

Lewis Parrish

executive
#10

The same operator had it under lease, but at this point we're in talks with a few separate parties about leasing it, running it, and maybe selling it later on.

Rob Stevenson

analyst
#11

Alright, so every one of those 14 farms in Michigan you mentioned — those are all blueberry farms?

David Gladstone

executive
#12

That's right.

Rob Stevenson

analyst
#13

All right. And so, of those 5 farms in California, are they all nut farms, or does something else there also create problems for you?

David Gladstone

executive
#14

No. Every one of them is nuts. I hate to phrase it that way.

Rob Stevenson

analyst
#15

Okay. And then, I guess, to wrap things up, what is that Washington farm that landed in the non-accruals producing?

Lewis Parrish

executive
#16

Cherries, apples, and wine grapes were part of it. At the moment we're removing the permanent plantings and putting it on the market for sale or lease as open ground, or pretty much as a new development opportunity for a potential buyer. On the subject of upcoming debt maturities, roughly $31 million is scheduled to come due within the next 12 months.

Rob Stevenson

analyst
#17

All right. And while we're on the subject of what was being cultivated on those farms — that Florida property where you recorded the sizable gain, what was grown there? Oranges, or something different?

David Gladstone

executive
#18

No, it was vegetables — the type of produce you'd find in a supermarket. Lettuce, I don't believe, was among them, but I think a great deal of what was grown was the sort of item you'd see in the produce aisle of a grocery store. A really fine farm. Sadly, you're under pressure from folks in Mexico, and they're unable to earn as much, so there were requests for us to reduce the rent, and we chose not to engage in that contest of trying to outdo the people in Mexico. So we listed it for sale, and as you've likely figured out, plenty of parties are interested in Florida farmland since it's undergoing redevelopment; in fact, if you look nearby, not far from that farm's location, you'll see quite a few new golf outing spots. As a side note, we own the large farm adjacent to this one, so another one might come up down the road. We'll see. The water there is a different type, and the state of Florida is compensating us for cleaning the water flowing in. On that front we're in good shape, so we'll hold onto that one for some time, though eventually we may want to — we may want to exit that, and there are parties who enjoy owning farmland leased to Florida.

Rob Stevenson

analyst
#19

All right. Then, I suppose, to close out this subject, Lewis, that $750,000 effect stemming from the 20 farms — does it land fairly evenly per farm across those 20, or do some of those farms account for an outsized share of that $750?

Lewis Parrish

executive
#20

The nut farms would carry greater weight when it comes to the income differential.

Rob Stevenson

analyst
#21

All right, that's useful. Then, I suppose my next question is this: you folks spent a lot of time explaining the water situation. You picked up additional supplies. At this point, quite a bit of it sits on the balance sheet. Is it revalued to market on a routine schedule?

Michael LiCalsi

executive
#22

I think what's really being asked here is whether, given all the rainfall and full aquifers, that water is less valuable today than it would be under drought conditions — meaning it's going to move around, with securities repriced to market every quarter, or does GAAP handle it differently? No; we carry these at cost on our books, and regarding the water we've bought recently, which includes the cash we paid of roughly $130 per acre-foot, a portion came to us as a grant from a water district, meaning no money went out the door directly for it. So on our books, taking the cash paid plus the income we recognized from receiving that water, I believe it's carried at somewhere around $290 or $300 per acre-foot. Even in a wet year like last year, or what people are currently describing as an average year, that remains under market. But remember, only a few years back, water routinely changed hands at somewhere between $1,500 and $2,000+ per acre-foot. That's the period we're truly holding it for. That said, it doesn't mean we'll actually sell at that price. It's quite possible we'll retain it to supply our own farms and ensure those farms maximize their productive capacity; yet even in an average or wet year, the price at which we can obtain water through some of these projects remains below market, and during drier, critical years we'll be that much better positioned.

Rob Stevenson

analyst
#23

All right. And that brings me to my final one. How are you approaching the idea of selectively trimming what's in the portfolio? Clearly, you might end up disposing of a portion or the entirety of those 20 farms you mentioned, and so on, the ones dealing with problems; but are there other farms comparable to the Florida asset, which isn't really under pressure, and so on, that you're considering turning into cash and then either putting that money into something different or repurchasing shares or paying down borrowings or whatever else along those lines right now, given what land is fetching in some of your markets?

David Gladstone

executive
#24

Well, hand us a big enough check and we'll hand you everything. But the pricing isn't all that far apart, so we're not actively out there marketing at the moment. That said, I do believe that going to market with a few of the farms we've flagged, as we've discussed with you, for disposal might reveal that we ought to move some additional acreage too. But we aren't out chasing deals on a daily basis. It's a fascinating market, Rob. When I look at it and see these farmers, and you bring up the idea of them selling the farm to us, they trace things back through two or three generations of family ownership, so parting with it becomes an emotional matter. We're no different. We hold good farms, and getting rid of them would be somewhat foolish if we're able to keep them leased and generating income for us; holding farms and leasing them out is what we do, so we're likely less eager than certain folks who might simply want out, but we won't go and dump everything we own. There is, I believe, and there's no way to demonstrate it at present, a gap between the value we assign to these and what a sale could bring, though it isn't enormous. Those brokers who constantly buy and sell farms understand what a farm is actually worth. Sadly, the majority of them have been engaged by families hoping to pass the farm from dad to son or daughter, and because of that, they're after the smallest possible valuation for the farm. So these folks in the appraisal trade have been conditioned to produce really lowball figures, and that works in our favor when we're about to acquire something, yet it isn't the real value; so I can't say whether any farm we currently hold is worth dramatically more than the number it's been assigned. So as far as we're concerned, if someone walked in and said, "Your farm's worth $1 billion," it's sold. So unlike some others, buying and selling farms to capture capital gains isn't our line of work. Did that address what you were asking, Rob?

Rob Stevenson

analyst
#25

Yeah, David, that worked, and I really appreciate it. Thanks for making room in the schedule, everybody.

David Gladstone

executive
#26

All right. Is there anything else anyone wants to ask?

John Massocca

analyst
#27

Good morning.

David Gladstone

executive
#28

Good morning, John.

John Massocca

analyst
#29

So when I look at the farms you're running right now, or those you have under something like a management agreement rather than a lease, how likely is it that some of them shift to a more standard lease over the coming couple of quarters, considering where we sit in the growing cycle for whichever farms are involved?

David Gladstone

executive
#30

Yeah. That first point you raise matters a great deal here. Nobody purchases farms during the off-period for the crop they grow; buyers prefer to close about a month ahead of when their season begins, yet we've already entered that window, and we recognize that opportunities will emerge over time. So if I had a farm destined for leasing while we kept it inside an operating business, we would announce that to everyone, so all of us experience the impact of leasing. And my sense is that many of these farms, John, simply hinge on how the economy performs. When the economy is humming and folks have cash, they'll purchase berries, and they'll purchase nuts. But with the economy as strong as it is today and the lower end that eats berries and nuts, that's one thing they aren't doing. They aren't consuming those items as much as they once did. That doesn't really hold for strawberries, even though berry prices have gone up and plenty of other items have gone up too; but I doubt we'll be out there attempting to find a method to sell off each farm tomorrow. That simply isn't our business.

John Massocca

analyst
#31

Alright. Though I suppose maybe when we consider, say, that other operating revenue line item, should we expect that it won't sit where it was in 1Q, yet will still be fairly meaningful across the coming two quarters, simply because you could hold certain operating farms in the portfolio here through 4Q?

Lewis Parrish

executive
#32

John, two points regarding that. To start, that other operating revenue did not come from direct farm operating revenue. It came from water we were granted by a water district in exchange for letting others store water in our water banks; thus it was non-cash income tied to our estimated fair value of the water credits we received through those projects; yet regarding your question about the farms held under operating management agreements, the revenue we anticipate recognizing from those across the coming two quarters will be very minimal. Whether to convert those properties to a standard lease instead of just outright selling them, that's something we're currently working through. I can't say that we can assign a probability of X% will be leased, X% will be sold. We've kind of got a lot of moving parts right now, talking with a few different groups, but the revenue recognized over the coming two quarters from those operations, I would expect to be very minimal.

John Massocca

analyst
#33

All right. Thanks for clearing that up. Now, thinking about it more, I believe you said that among the 2 tenants paying on a cash basis, one had either fully or partially paid rent. Did that happen during the quarter, or after the quarter closed? And how should I think about what portion of the yearly rent that was owed got paid during that time?

Lewis Parrish

executive
#34

For those properties, we didn't recognize anything in Q1, since the tenant who's up to date has payments that come due in May and November. So we recognized roughly 6 months of revenue — 6 months of revenue from those properties — in Q4, and nothing in Q1. His next payment comes due this month, so if we do receive those amounts, we'll recognize them in Q2. Altogether, that's roughly $300,000-$400,000 of revenue across all the farms that single tenant leases from us. Okay. And is that for each payment period, or for the year? That's the six-month figure. So double that amount would be the yearly rent from those farms.

John Massocca

analyst
#35

All right. Turning to those California leases set to run out during this quarter — what share, or roughly what volume, of the leases rolling off this year would that represent?

Lewis Parrish

executive
#36

As we mentioned, there are five leases coming to an end within the next six months. Two of them involve nut farms. That said, I can't give you the precise percentage, though most of the — actually, let me step back for a second. My understanding is that those five leases account for roughly 9% of annualized revenues. I'm not sure of the exact split, but over two of the five leases — that's 40%. Yet a share exceeding 40% of that revenue comes from the nut farms. I don't have the precise breakdown in front of me at the moment, but it represents over half of that 9% of annualized revenue.

John Massocca

analyst
#37

All right, that's useful. Now, stepping back a bit — with all the pressure we've witnessed in California's market, there have been some bankruptcies. Are you spotting any distressed acquisition possibilities, situations where certain corporate farmers are in serious trouble, where perhaps despite every risk tied to how things currently operate in California, it would still make sense for you to buy assets?

David Gladstone

executive
#38

Well, we haven't come across many attractive buys. Some enormous bankruptcies have occurred — not involving us, not our folks, but certain operations we've watched collapse — and those turned into fire sales; we've noticed a couple of smaller farms that could be fire sales, yet the effect so far hasn't really matched what you'd anticipate, since a lot of these farmers are, to put it properly, simply small businesses. Small businesses, particularly under today's conditions, likely get hit far harder than bigger businesses do, and that's because of interest rates. We do have farms that lenders will extend us credit against; that isn't an issue on our end. The agricultural banks keep approaching us about taking on more debt, and they're fond of us since we've never missed paying what we owe. Consequently, running short on money hasn't been our difficulty. Our difficulty has been what money costs. That holds true for every small business owner. If you examined Small Business America, the rates as they stand now, factoring in all the inflationary pressures at play, have damaged small businesses more severely than large ones. When you're a big business, you're sitting on enormous piles of cash; so John, I can't tell you how to make that judgment. I mean, I stay up at night asking myself, "What will this quarter look like?" It's a shifting puzzle trying to predict what happens in California. Florida is likely steadier than California, which we're happy about since we hold plenty of land there. As you're aware, soil doesn't disappear. Eventually someone will farm it, and that's the positive side. The negative side is you simply can't tell when a farmer will manage to come forward, lease additional acreage, and produce more crops. The government has to bring the inflation rate down, because every input rises, yet that doesn't automatically reach the farmer — I mean the individual purchasing those goods at grocery stores. We encountered a strange scenario where numerous grocery stores were raising prices on certain items we produce, but they weren't forwarding that to the growers. So grocery stores ended up earning more, while the sellers weren't earning more. And when you look at how split up each of these sectors is, I mean, there are genuinely a huge number of players across every one of those spaces, and you'd figure that would create some kind of squeeze on the grocery stores, yet it doesn't. So it's really the grocery stores that set the terms for what they'll hand over for goods; and among everything grocery stores are concerned with is whether they've got the item in stock. If a grower turns out those strawberries and sells them to the store, everyone's satisfied. They simply aren't prepared to part with additional dollars in order to secure that guarantee. That's occurring somewhat more often these days, now that certain farms have disappeared and aren't out there going head-to-head with other farms, but even so it's not yet a one-to-one sort of ratio. I'm not sure, John, was that of any use to you?

John Massocca

analyst
#39

No, that really helps clarify things. Thanks for that. That's all I had. Thanks so much.

David Gladstone

executive
#40

All right. Latonya, I believe there aren't any further questions, correct?

David Gladstone

executive
#41

Honestly, we're not pleased. Having people pose questions is something we enjoy, since that gives us a chance to respond, and ideally it lets everyone get a better grasp of the business we operate in. So that wraps up this conference, and we appreciate all of you for joining the call.

Operator

operator
#42

Thanks. That brings us to the end of today’s call. At this point, feel free to hang up. We appreciate you joining us, and enjoy the rest of your day.

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