Gladstone Land Corporation (LAND) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 8, 2025

NASDAQ US Real Estate Specialized REITs earnings 54 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

David Gladstone

executive
#1

Okay, thanks. That intro was quite good. I'm David Gladstone, and I'd like to welcome everyone to the quarterly conference call for Gladstone Land. I appreciate all of you spending part of your day listening to what we have to present. Before we get started, Katharine Gorka, who is our Director of Investor Relations and also takes care of ESG matters, will speak to you. Katharine, please go ahead and introduce things here.

Katharine Gorka

executive
#2

David, thank you — and a good morning to all of you. Certain things we say during this call may look ahead, resting on estimates, assumptions, and projections from management. No promise attaches to how we'll perform down the road, and what actually happens may diverge substantially from anything stated or suggested here, because of a range of unknowns — among them the risk factors described in the filings we make with the SEC, which you can find under the Investors section of gladstoneland.com. Apart from situations where the law demands it, we assume no duty to revise any such statements. If you'd like fuller detail, our website has both our Form 10-Q and the earnings press release, each of which came out yesterday. Additionally, registration for email alerts is available, and you can locate details about reaching our Investor Relations team. We also maintain a presence on X under @GladstoneComps, plus Facebook and LinkedIn. For all of those, the search term is The Gladstone Company. During this call, we'll cover FFO — Funds From Operations — which is a non-GAAP accounting term. It's calculated as net income, without gains or losses tied to real estate sales and any property impairment losses, then adding back depreciation and amortization of real estate assets. Additionally, we could cover core FFO, typically described as FFO with adjustments for specific revenues and expenses that don't recur, plus adjusted FFO, which takes core FFO further by accounting for particular noncash items—for instance, translating GAAP rents into normalized cash rents. In our view, these measures may offer a clearer picture of how we're performing operationally and make it easier to compare results from one period to the next. At this point, I'll hand things back over to David Gladstone.

David Gladstone

executive
#3

Alright, thanks Katharine. Let me give everyone a quick recap of what we hold in Farmland. Across 150 separate farms, we've got approximately 103,000 acres. As for water, we now hold more than 55,000 acre feet — that figure may not mean a lot to you, but it works out to roughly 18 billion gallons that belong to us, stored in aquifers and various locations. Fifteen states are where our farms sit, while every one of our water assets is located in California. More than 80 tenant farmers lease from us, and on our land they cultivate 60 distinct crop types. The bulk of what they grow falls into the category of items you'd see in the produce aisle at your neighborhood supermarket — things like fruits, vegetables, and nuts as well. We're staying careful and haven't put money into anything new, since interest rates and the costs associated with operating these farms look nothing like they did back when we began. Our cost of capital is still extremely elevated, and cap rates across most row crops remain high. Should you purchase one of these farms and then actually work it, the current period is really tough on farmers. No sales got done this quarter, yet we do have a single property, located in Florida, that our financials list as held for sale; it's made up of 2 farms there that are under a signed purchase agreement, and we anticipate closing shortly, which should give us a pleasant gain. Incidentally, down in Florida, many farms are getting bought up so they can be converted or reclassified for housing. Housing isn't our line of work, so when the housing crowd turns up needing more land, we sell our farms. I'd like to address a few changes we implemented to the lease structure on some of our farms. I realize we've brought this up before, but I want to be certain it's clear, since it meaningfully affects how our earnings are patterned. I believe we brought it up on the previous call — market conditions surrounding quite a few of those permanent crops out West, especially the ones growing nuts and grapes, involve prices that differ, and they're not — they weren't particularly elevated, though this year has a somewhat different set of legs to it. Take almonds — we have plenty, and I'm hopeful. Each year the government releases its estimate of what — the quantity of almonds that will come out. Over the last 5 years, the last 5 estimates weren't conclusive, yet during the first 2 of those 5 years, the government and its projections were. Okay, so they weren't spot on, yet the almond count came in above what the government had projected; after that, in year three, their figure hit the mark precisely, and then across the most recent 2, we simply got — honestly, should the government prove accurate this time around, we stand to earn quite a bit. In any case, we chose to restructure the lease terms across 6 properties, which explains why we lean on these projections so heavily — to keep fixed costs as low as possible while still letting us share in the gains. We've shifted away from functioning purely as a lessor toward something closer to an operator, or even a grower of sorts, since a portion of our lease compensation now comes from part of the crop being cultivated; basically, rather than a set rental amount, we agreed to take a share of gross crop sales. The reason we made that move is that farmers faced an extremely tough stretch over the past 2 years — really the past 3. We also chose to run 2 properties on our own, with assistance from third-party operators. That doesn't mean you'll spot me or anyone else out in the fields bringing in the harvest or anything like that. Like plenty of others in this line of work, we've brought in third-party operators to manage the farms. Our aim is to convert every one of these back toward the more conventional arrangement, fixed base rents included. Whether we can pull that off hinges on a number of outside variables — crop output, pricing, interest rates, and input costs, which haven't fallen. They haven't gone anywhere in the world except upward. Water availability matters too — that one's crucial. On our farms, we bought and stored sufficient water, so we're set for many years ahead. Part of what gave us confidence to take this path is that the specific farms involved — we now have 8 in this — performed really well in earlier years. Thanks to the crop insurance coverage we've secured, you're able to purchase crop guarantees tied to your historical yields. That translates into solid, high-level crop insurance protection. All 8 of these farms carry crop insurance. If a hurricane swept through and flattened everything, we'd still collect what we would have collected; we believe we would have collected that on our existing farms; naturally we're hoping that despite having crop insurance, the base rent reflects strong output from these farms. They've delivered that before, so we needn't depend on crop insurance, in which case our profit could be substantial. As for leasing activity, plenty of farms remain under leases, obviously, and since we're a real estate investment trust, our leasing naturally aligns with that type of structure. On the leasing side, we signed 4 new standard lease agreements this quarter, and we anticipate those will drive a strong lift to annual NOI — roughly $166,000, or about 9%. That portion of the business continues to perform quite well, and we'll see how it shakes out when we harvest the crops that we'll have an ownership stake in down the road. Going forward, 14 leases are set to roll off over the remainder of the period, partly because a number of them carry no fixed base rent, cash leases among them that we're actively working on. During the first half of 2024, these leases in fact represent negative $2.8 million of leasing revenue. Keep in mind, we aren't able to factor that into our estimates even with insurance in place, so they remain a negative drag until the crop arrives. We won't have that answer until the fourth quarter. We'll have a bit more clarity when we next get together in the third quarter. The main reason is that participation rents tied to these leases really won't be recognized until we reach the fourth quarter. That's how the accounting standards work. I'm not sure why we can't recognize a portion of it, but those are the rules. And unless you've sold something and are attempting to collect on it, none of it can be accrued. We're holding discussions with tenants who are both existing and prospective regarding the leasing of these farms, which includes converting some of them back to standard leases carrying fixed base rent. Alternatively, should the price be attractive, we might also consider selling a few of these farms. As I noted, we have one in Florida that's slated for sale. The reason is that the housing boom in that area is extraordinary. I'll pause here and hand things over to Bill Ryman. Bill has been handling everything in California and working diligently, since we've shifted from simply collecting rents to actually collaborating with the folks we brought on to farm the land. Bill, please come on and walk us through that, during the first half of 2020.

Bill Ryman

executive
#4

Thank you, David. Yes, of course. Good morning, everyone. I'd like to spend a moment discussing those 8 properties that fall under modified lease agreements or are run directly by third parties. Three of them are wine grape vineyards, and given where wine grape economics stand, we're hopeful we can recoup the bulk of our costs on those. Breaking even would be an enormous victory. The other 5 properties are made up of 2 pistachio orchards, 2 almond orchards, and one large property containing both. Looking at planted acreage, roughly 60% of those 8 properties sit in pistachios, while about 35% of the acreage is in almonds. Our attention is overwhelmingly on these 2 nut crops. Across all 8 properties, we're really pleased with the crop conditions; we expect above-average yields, and quality looks excellent. As David mentioned, every one of these properties carries full insurance coverage. Production history on the nut properties is genuinely strong. They all look above — I'd describe the crop as excellent. Across the 8 assets, we've been working with 5 separate tenants or operators, and all 5 growers are delivering at a very high level for us, hitting what we regard as an acceptable standard. All of it's positive. Beyond that, this past winter brought us an average amount of rain — a wet one, you could say — and across the whole Western U.S., the growing season has been close to ideal, in my view. Obviously, that isn't within our control, yet we've enjoyed a great deal of good fortune. Now, on to crop markets. Generally, prices for a great many of the crops and commodities we deal in have moved downward during recent months. Trade negotiations and tariff discussions definitely contribute significantly to that, though the primary forces are really the classic supply-and-demand factors — especially when it comes to crops like almonds and wine grapes, both of which matter enormously to us. In these industries, orchards and vineyards have been taken out on a scale never seen before. At some point soon, those markets should reverse course. Almond markets have clearly rounded a bend during the last twelve months, moving higher. David mentioned the USDA's objective forecast for almonds that came out in July. What they published was enormous — beyond anyone's projections — and frankly, no one truly accepts it. Even so, roughly four weeks ago it triggered a drop of about 20% in almond prices. That erased every pricing gain achieved over the prior year and pushed things back to where prices stood a year earlier. During roughly the last fourteen days, prices have really come back, rising between 5% and 8%. That reflected where things stood seven days back, and in the week that just closed, we gained an additional $0.03 to $0.04 per pound. Momentum in the almond market is clearly solid, and we look for it to carry forward. Harvest has only just begun. Right now we are shaking trees across every one of our almond orchards. Over the next several weeks, we'll start to learn how the industry's real figures compare with the target. Everybody is tracking that intently, because a slower pace than the USDA forecast would support further price hikes. As of right now, the chatter among coffee shops is that the crop is coming in light. That's likely a plus for us, since it will firm up the market. The fine grape market remains stuck at its lows, and getting contracts has been sluggish this summer, yet over the past 10 days, we've received quite a few inquiries regarding some of our crops for contracts, and pricing is notably above where it stood 12 months ago. Those are a couple of encouraging signs. Pistachio is honestly likely the strongest market around at the moment. Similarly, tariffs and trade discussions have generated a fair amount of uncertainty, yet we're seeing very robust demand, rising demand. In fact, some of that caught us off guard and led the 2024 crop to sell out ahead of schedule. As things stand right now, with harvest of the '25 crop a month off, there's minimal activity because product is so scarce. Our inventories entering 2025 are quite low, so 2025 should deliver what's probably the biggest U.S. pistachio crop ever recorded, yet demand is solid and pricing is stable. In fact, our guaranteed base price was released a few weeks back, and it matches last year's, which is precisely what we budgeted for. One of the unknowns has now become known. Our base pricing for the pistachio crops is settled, so that's a positive. We're pleased with that. Profitability in pistachios is nowhere close to what we saw during the boom five or ten years back, but the fundamentals of this market are still quite solid. Generally, bearing acreage keeps widening and the pistachio harvest keeps getting bigger each year, and at the same time there's some trade ambiguity, particularly where China is concerned. In our view, those two negatives are balanced out by a slowdown in new plantings, with few new trees being put in the ground, plus well water pumping limits connected to Sigma in California, which will hurt certain orchards established in the past ten or fifteen years in areas holding weaker water rights. We're seeing consumption climb very sharply throughout the EU, mostly driven by the Dubai chocolate trend. There are plenty of positives to counterbalance the negatives. I'll wrap up with some comments on water; we've always — in past reports we've described how the Western U.S. has experienced a normal to wet cycle over the last few years, this most recent one included. That has opened up quite a few chances to buy water at prices that genuinely work within our crop budgets. We've been quite aggressive and focused on upgrading our delivery and storage infrastructure throughout the portfolio. Thanks to the fact that water can be obtained cheaply, our efforts to enhance the water security of the farms have truly paid off. To that 55,000 acre feet of water, we keep making additions. There are certain locations where our farms possess sufficient water. Even if no rain fell for 10 years, we would still be able to irrigate them for roughly a decade. A great deal of our time is being spent attempting to determine how to synergize our properties, get them coordinating with one another so they can share water, and simply boost the overall security of the portfolio. This is something we will keep doing — examining long-term and short-term water purchases, enhancing — continuing to enhance infrastructure, and simply striving toward genuinely having a secure portfolio in that respect. That's all from me. I'll hand things over to Lewis Parrish, our CFO.

Lewis Parrish

executive
#5

Okay, thanks, Bill, and good morning to everybody. I want to begin by giving a brief report on what we've been doing lately on the financing side. In the quarter, we completed a refinancing of a $10 million loan that was coming due with MetLife, and once the quarter had closed, we paid off a $10 million bond that was maturing, because we expect to sell the property behind it later this month. No new equity was issued by us in the quarter. Now for how operations performed. In Q2, our net loss came to roughly $7.9 million, with a net loss attributable to common shareholders of $13.9 million, which works out to $0.38 per share. Adjusted FFO came in at negative $3.4 million, or $0.10 per share, versus a positive $3.7 million, or $0.10 per share, during the equivalent quarter a year ago. Common share dividends declared came to $0.14 in each of those quarters. The drop in AFFO compared with last year came from recent adjustments to lease structures on some farms plus continuing tenancy problems that left farms vacant, which cut revenues and raised costs, together with revenue lost from farms that were sold during the past year. Fixed base cash rents fell by roughly $6.8 million versus the prior-year quarter because of the factors I just described, chiefly the vacancies we're still working through and the structural modifications to some leases, under which we lowered or removed fixed base cash rents or, in certain cases, gave cash lease incentives to particular tenants in exchange for substantially raising the crop share components. As other people have pointed out, we won't know what those crop share components produce until harvest finishes and the crops get sold. Participation rents also declined year over year, mostly because certain revenue was recognized on an accelerated basis in 2024. A year ago, some information reached us sooner than expected, letting us record certain revenue amounts during the first half of the year; this year so far, participation rents have largely come from cash collections on wine grape sales. I should mention that we still anticipate greater participation rent levels during the back half of 2025 thanks to lease modifications made on some permanent crop farms; we've talked about this on earlier calls, but those lease changes should lower fixed base rents by approximately $17 million for fiscal year 2025 relative to '24. That number covers both base rents recognized last year under the previous leases and the cash allowances given to certain tenants for the 2025 crop year. It's presented as a reduction in fixed base rents at a pace of about $4 million to $5 million each quarter in 2025, consistent with the first half of the year. In turn, most of the crop share proceeds that result from these leases should be recognized as participation rent in Q4 of 2025, while the bulk of the smaller remaining piece should be recognized during the second half of 2026. Basically, what we're doing is moving that revenue away from fixed base rents and toward participation rents across the next 2 years, so this year's earnings will lean much more toward Q4, with weaker earnings in the first half. On the cost side, if you strip out reimbursable items and certain non-recurring or non-cash charges, our core operating expenses were down roughly $200,000 in the quarter. The capital gain fee triggered during Q1 by property sales got reversed in Q2 because of additional losses on some asset dispositions. If you set aside that reversal, total related party fees dropped by roughly $67,000, mostly from a lower base management fee after recent farm sales. Now, the capital gains fee, should there be one, isn't payable until the fiscal year ends, and it remains subject to further adjustment through '25 if and when we sell more assets. Our remaining cash operating expenses declined by roughly $135,000, as lower G&A costs were partly offset by higher property operating expenses. That rise in property operating expenses came mostly from extra costs to protect water rights on some California farms, along with higher expenses tied to farms that were vacant, direct operated, or on non-accrual status — especially increased property taxes, which used to be the former tenants' responsibility. The drop in G&A expense was primarily from lower shareholder-related costs and reduced professional fees. Lastly, other expenses declined mainly because of lower interest expense, driven by loan repayments made during the past year. Moving to liquidity. Right now we have more than $150 million of available capital, plus nearly $170 million of unpledged properties we could use as additional collateral if necessary. More than 99% of our borrowings carry fixed rates, with a weighted average rate of 3.39% locked in for another 3.3 years. That has helped shield us from rising interest rates over the past few years. Going forward, we have roughly $17 million of scheduled principal amortization payments due across the next 12 months, under 4% of our total debt. We also have about $11 million in loans with fixed rate terms expiring within the next year, though the loans themselves aren't maturing. Finally, on our common distribution. In July, we declared a monthly dividend of $0.0467 per share for the third quarter of '25. At our current stock price of $9.14, that works out to a 6.1% annualized yield, well above the sector average. We're keeping the dividend at its current level for now, and we'll take another look in the coming months as we get more clarity on the 2025 harvest results. With that, I'll hand it back to David.

David Gladstone

executive
#6

Alright, thanks, Lewis. I believe everyone is starting to understand the situation here. The timing for when we can book revenue has been altered, and during Q2, we recorded almost nothing. With any luck, in Q3 and Q4 — especially Q4, when we move a large volume of our crops — we'll return to generating substantial earnings. Something you might be unaware of: I didn't know this was happening until Friday, when Lewis and our legal department gave me a call. A group was out there trading on the market under the ticker dollar sign LAND. These meme traders were simply enjoying themselves manipulating the price amongst one another, and it shaved roughly 1 point off our stock's value. That hurt us, and recovering from being a meme stock and getting back to normal trading takes quite a while. Turning to the acquisition picture, we remain busy in the market, and we're observing many shifts in what farmers can get for their land. I believe we'll manage to divest additional properties down the road. Again, simply progressing in the direction we must, given how we now run this company; with the cost of capital still so elevated, it genuinely concerns me that the marketplace will need to undergo some adjustments. Demand overall for top-quality farmland growing berries and vegetables is holding steady across all regions where we own properties, particularly along California's coastline. As was stated before, pricing for some permanent crops has been weak. By permanent crops, I mean mainly the nut sector — plenty of trees out there. The sole upside regarding all those trees is that machines handle the harvesting. We aren't really troubled by shifts in what you must pay workers to pick crops; that still concerns us, though, since so many of our properties involve strawberries and other items that get picked fast and shipped fast. For us, the difficulty has been that we cannot book any anticipated revenue. Right now we're all sitting around idly, attempting to determine when we'll finally complete some genuine transactions. As Bill noted, he said they're beginning to sell and deliver a portion of the crops — the nut crops. I don't wish to sell anything at this moment, and Bill prefers to hold off and see how the crops actually turn out; we all anticipate inflation, especially within the food segment, will keep rising as time goes on. We anticipate that the worth of the land beneath our farms will rise as time goes on, since crop prices have the potential to climb, and provided that farmers can turn a profit, they'll keep at it. This strikes us as particularly likely when it comes to nutritious items — the fresh fruits and vegetables we cultivate, plus our nut crop. There's a movement of more individuals shifting toward consuming wholesome foods, and in particular the new HDA fellow — let's be honest, he isn't fond of all the junk that people in this country are consuming, which creates numerous issues across the population; we anticipate Mr. Kennedy will keep making noise about it. To my mind that benefits us, because a greater number of consumers purchase wholesome items such as nuts and berries. Among everyone I'm aware of, we run the biggest cabbage-focused operation. Consequently, that continues to generate profit. At this point we'll take some inquiries instead of me rambling on, or we'll have someone join us and pose a few solid questions.

Gaurav Mehta

analyst
#7

I'd like to ask a bit more about what you said regarding participation rents. That $17 million figure you mentioned — how much do you expect to land in the fourth quarter of '25? And how much will carry over into the following year?

Lewis Parrish

executive
#8

As for that $17 million, it's hard for us to give a firm answer at this point, since we can't predict what the final total will look like. If, say, harvest results come in weak, then the participation rent generated by those leases might end up below that figure. Should we see a strong harvest along with strong pricing, it could come in above it. When it comes to how it's divided between this year and the next one, our current estimate is roughly 60% to 65% falling in this year, with the remainder spread somewhat across the year, though the bulk of it would likely arrive in Q4 of next year.

Gaurav Mehta

analyst
#9

With the structure of these leases, do they just switch over on their own into fixed rents, or will renewal happen at the participation rents?

David Gladstone

executive
#10

There's no automatic conversion into fixed — that never happens. So once that time period arrives, we'll need to negotiate it once more, and typically that occurs ahead of this year-end, the calendar year-end.

Lewis Parrish

executive
#11

Right. Those leases are up at the end of this year. We're going to renegotiate them. Should we reach an agreement on a standard lease, wonderful, but should we fail, we might need to keep the structure going for one more year.

Gaurav Mehta

analyst
#12

So let's move over to the balance sheet, if we can. Could you share what you're anticipating for the Series D, which is set to be redeemed in January of '26?

Lewis Parrish

executive
#13

Sure. All our options remain on the table at this point. We've been communicating with underwriters, and internally we're discussing how much cash we have available and drawing on the line of credit. The choices in front of us include retiring it, possibly funded by money coming in from property sales, or using the line of credit, whose rate sits roughly 1.7% beneath what the Series D rate would climb to. Another path is simply leaving it in place. Its rate would rise from 5% to 8%. Given where refinancing rates stand in the market right now, that likely remains the better route, when you consider what the refinancing rate itself would be along with every upfront cost, commission and so forth. As of today, we're continuing to evaluate matters internally — cash on hand, the line of credit — and figure out what the right move is when January arrives: either retire it, or leave it in place for a while, dispose of properties, and then retire it.

David Gladstone

executive
#14

Gaurav, one of the great things about the current situation is the potential for us to earn a substantial amount from these product sales. Take, for instance, a rough estimate we could put together at this moment: $8 million from the sale of a single one of our nut crops. We've observed others doing this over many years. Sadly, the expense of capital, along with all the shifts that have occurred in farming, has wiped out many of our excellent tenants. I recall one individual who earned substantial sums in earlier years, yet today has suffered losses of roughly $8 million due to those shifts, so our hope is for a large harvest and for everyone to profit. Another dynamic at play is that a large harvest drives prices downward. If you're the first to reach the market and sell off your supply, the returns can exceed what you'd get by holding back. At present, we think this initial tranche now arriving, the earliest purchasers showing up, includes folks who are far behind and require it since they lack supply. Should you be in the candy industry and require large quantities of nuts, you've got a real issue. I'm not sure where they'll source them, but it's going to be quite fascinating. My expectation is that you'll witness prices climbing quite rapidly over the coming year. From where I sit, I believe we'll see a surge of many individuals eager to enter the business of cultivating crops in the nut sector. The nut sector has proven tough for us; we entered it at precisely the wrong moment. At this point, it's recovering, and it will be a big help if those who've purchased large volumes of nuts internationally — like, everyone involved in this industry leans heavily on the Chinese to purchase large quantities of nuts, and they lean heavily on other nations. I was taken aback when I went through all the reports on this, that much of the crop we cultivate in the almond category gets sold in Spain, sold across numerous Middle Eastern nations; in our case, we typically have little presence internationally; take, for instance, strawberry cultivation — those are grown and eaten right here very quickly. Consequently, they never reach the international marketplace. To me, it's a distinct segment. I don't enjoy it as much as the standard leasing operation we've practiced from the start. I believe that eventually, once profitability returns to the nut-side markets, well, we'll simply switch back to leasing. I'm eager for that since I prefer that aspect of our business. Any other questions, Gaurav?

Gaurav Mehta

analyst
#15

Alright. Perhaps as a final point, you mentioned some encouraging movement in almonds and pistachios. I was curious whether any other crop category in your portfolio isn't experiencing favorable trends and is still facing weakness when it comes to pricing?

David Gladstone

executive
#16

I believe that's accurate. Lewis, anything you'd like to add?

Lewis Parrish

executive
#17

Bill, do you want to give some commentary on that?

Bill Ryman

executive
#18

Gaurav, the question was whether other crop types are also displaying weakness or softness in the market — did I get that right?

Gaurav Mehta

analyst
#19

Right. So, Lewis, you mentioned some favorable movement in almonds and pistachios. What I'm curious about is whether there's anything in your portfolio that isn't trending favorably?

Bill Ryman

executive
#20

I wouldn't say so. With certain annual row crops, you get fluctuations, but that's simply the typical market caprice, if you will; short-term, those tend to be caused by weather conditions, be it frosts, too much rain, or heat waves. When it comes to annual row crops, our leases — we aren't connected to what's grown. There simply isn't a — we have nothing of that sort. The permanent crops are the markets that matter to us, since crop share is a piece of even regular leases; that has consistently carried greater weight.

Steve Dumanski

analyst
#21

Like we talked about earlier on this call, given that possible buyers right now are constrained by what their own cost of capital looks like, can you forecast a timeframe for when more disposition opportunities might show up? And maybe also, what kind of feedback have you gotten from any prospective purchasers?

David Gladstone

executive
#22

Sure, buyers do exist, but every one of them wants farms at deeply discounted prices. They show up hoping to snap it all up. It's good that they're around, but that isn't what we'll use our sales for. If you look at Florida, I'm not sure — someone said 10,000 new families arrive there each week. Things are going quite strong in that region's housing sector, and people have been contacting us with offers to pay significantly more, even if that won't happen for a while yet. I'm not willing to tie up our farmland for that. As long as the rental income stays healthy, I'd like to keep operating in that segment; we're keeping an eye on it. I'd guess we're one of the thousands of farmers who listen to your daily radio program about farming prices. Bill is likely more plugged into that than anybody. He's based in California. He stays connected with every farm we own in that area. When it comes to pricing, he's the go-to person around here; before we put anything on the market, his input is what we follow. That said, we do still hold a few Midwest properties that came into our portfolio over time, and we're in the process of listing those. Once they're sold, our plan is to focus on what we know best — East Coast assets tied to our leasing operation, plus the 8 farms we own, where we're genuinely turning into farmers. We haven't handed out straw hats to everyone yet, but they're all aware that commodity crop prices now play a huge role in our fortunes.

Steve Dumanski

analyst
#23

And finally, could you give more detail about why the acre feet of water you possess went down from one quarter to the next? I just want to determine whether that change came from a remeasurement or from something else.

Lewis Parrish

executive
#24

No, it was simply — I believe there was a decline of 44 acre feet from one quarter to the next; the reason was just that we consumed a modest quantity. We now recognize water credit in the quarter after it occurs; this really reflects water usage during the year's first quarter, but it was simply some tenant turnover at one property, as we worked to move wells over between various accounts, the power company, all of that, yet the trees required irrigation at that moment. We simply consumed 44 acre feet of water that we had in storage to irrigate the trees while we were working to get the wells switched over.

John Massocca

analyst
#25

Perhaps we can stay on the topic of water. At this point, how is Sigma affecting some of the properties you own? Is that mostly behind you now? Or do you believe certain individual assets exist that, for one reason or another, possibly lack — where the water your bank provides might be less helpful — and those are still exposed? Has everything sort of — have all the regulatory shifts, all the water requirements already been settled? Where exactly does that process stand?

David Gladstone

executive
#26

No, Sigma is still producing further changes. Up to now, we appear to be ahead of things on that front, though you can never predict what the government will choose to do. They are convening — lawsuits have been brought by farmer groups. As a matter of fact, I believe we are among the parties involved in one of those cases. Should the government turn somewhat hostile and begin favoring certain of their allies, that makes it extremely hard to determine the right course of action. At present, we are in good shape. We're not in excellent shape, but I don't believe we have any issues headed our way regarding water this year. This year has been a good one for us. Frankly, I think most of the farms could endure 2 or 3 additional years without a good year-end. Water prices, in my view, will harm some people if this year turns dry, and that problem won't be ours. You're correct to stress the water side of the business since it matters less than the trees, yet water for the trees is extremely important, and strawberries can't be grown without plenty of water, and many of the vegetables are very water-intensive on the water side, using water, but we do most of our heavy water growing in the East, and certainly in Florida, you stick — put a stick in the ground and water comes up because it's so low down there. Ultimately, concern about water exists throughout California, and we appear to be in great shape. Thanks to the team that located water at a reasonably low price, and we bought it — and we stored it in the aquifers. We've become large holders of water in the aquifers. We did so during the year when it was raining so much, so we built up some of the farms that we have and poured water from the creeks and other places into that. In fact, the kids doing that for us were laughing really hard because they kept calling it Lake Gladstone. We have a lot of water out of the ground. It goes pretty fast. While we have 18 billion gallons, you just never know how dry it's going to be. At this moment, California's weather is lovely, yet for cultivation it works well provided that water is available. Bill, is there anything you'd like to mention regarding the water?

Bill Ryman

executive
#27

John, that's a really good question about Sigma. Right from the start, our approach was — early on we made the call that we had no idea how the restrictions would end up looking, and we understood they'd shift as time went on, but we began with this mindset: fine, we aren't going to chase an acre. Instead, we'd determine how Sigma impacts each individual farm, and then we'd determine how to secure supplemental water. Immediately the emphasis shifted toward a long-term perspective on the issue; that explains the money we put into delivery infrastructure, and into locating groundwater basins suitable for storing water. After that, we got lucky with a few wet winters, which made plenty of water accessible at excellent rates. That's the approach we've taken. We've placed ourselves in a genuinely strong position. Among all the land portfolios across California held by various parties, especially investment companies and investment funds, I'd say the water security of what we hold ranks among the very best. We simply keep at it as circumstances change; we've taken part in 2 water adjudications. Likely there will be another 1, perhaps 2, that affect us, but our emphasis has genuinely been on the — instead of battling over initial allocations, it's genuinely been on this: fine, let's assume this allocation is what we get, what will we do to supplement it and to prioritize projects that assist us in replacing a portion of it. Yes, the major Sigma impact we're genuinely attempting to maneuver around, attempting to steer clear of, is that we're beginning to observe land values splitting apart. Properties with genuinely poor water access are losing value quickly, while properties with additional infrastructure inside a genuinely strong water district are holding their value and perhaps even gaining value. We're genuinely watching the real estate market mirror how Sigma's effects play out. I'd say our team here, the West Coast team, likely devotes 70% of its hours, 75% of its hours, to matters tied to Sigma.

Lewis Parrish

executive
#28

Let me also mention this, John — over roughly the last 3 years, like we've mentioned, California has given us average rainfall that skewed wet, and because of that, as Bill pointed out, plenty of favorable purchasing chances appeared. Those chances, though, were available to any farmer around. The groundwater recharge setups — what we refer to as water banks — that we've constructed aren't something most farmers possess. Anyone could purchase the water, yet unlike us, the majority of growers lack a place to keep it. We've actually had folks with neighboring land approach us about paying cash, or leaving some water behind, so we'd store their water for them. That adds a modest income stream on top of things, though honestly the real upside is this: the water we're holding will give us an enormous edge once the following dry spell arrives. It's not that we want a drought, but at this moment we've got roughly $35 million in cash put into these water assets; on average that works out to around $600 per acre foot. Even so, when you stack that figure against the final water price seen at the close of the last drought, we're talking approximately 1/3 of it. Once more, we aren't hoping for a drought, but that's the moment when the value of all that stored water will truly become apparent.

Bill Ryman

executive
#29

Droughts are something we understand will happen. There's no avoiding it. In the same way, we're certain it will arrive. The timing isn't known to us, yet we're sure it will arrive, and it will end up being the most severe drought on record, so we're simply getting ready for that.

John Massocca

analyst
#30

Perhaps expanding a bit more on those operated properties. Given the crop insurance currently in place, do you see some level that would act as a floor for what probably hits 4Q revenues?

Lewis Parrish

executive
#31

What I'd say is that — not really regarding Q4, but taken as a whole across these 8 properties, roughly $25 million has gone into the expense of — of cultivating the crops, and that figure includes the $17 million, which comes solely from those — from the 6 properties where we changed the leases. Another 2 properties are being run directly by us, with third-party operators assisting. But close to $25 million has been put in across all 8 properties combined, and insurance would — my sense is it would take care of every cost we have and perhaps leave a modest profit. On how that's divided, I'd describe it as likely resembling the division mentioned in the earlier question, around 60% to 65% falling in this year, with the rest landing next year. I mean, that represents the worst case, meaning no crops can be harvested and none can be sold, which we already understand won't happen since we won't suffer a complete crop loss on these properties, but yes, crop insurance would pay for the cost we've committed to these properties.

Bill Ryman

executive
#32

Let me just tack on a brief point regarding crop insurance, and honestly, there's quite a bit of subtlety involved here. Broadly, a superior property tends to be a stronger performer, since this is tied to historical data—but the stronger the performer, the stronger the crop insurance as well. There's a touch of irony in that the most thoroughly insured scenario is likely a property that will never actually face such a situation, given how well those properties perform. So when we mention having solid crop insurance, that ought to signal to you that those assets sit above average. They outperform industry averages, and they are simply strong-performing assets.

John Massocca

analyst
#33

Moving on to my final question about the balance sheet. Since you now have a larger operating piece, at least for the immediate future, what level of comfort do you have — I mean, what minimum would you like that cash position to remain at? I'm considering this in light of the fact that you still hold a fair amount of cash, which could go toward retiring debt maturities. So should we anticipate that the cash amount will aim to remain around its current level? Or might you keep applying it to reduce debt when it comes due?

Lewis Parrish

executive
#34

I wouldn't focus on the cash figure itself; what matters more is our total liquidity, and on 6/30, we held $30 million in cash. We also have an undrawn credit line for — well, in fact, we hold 2 credit lines amounting to roughly $87 million; those are instantly accessible funds for us; we additionally have other undrawn notes. At present, we're looking at roughly $150 million in funds we can access immediately. If we needed to run all of these 8 properties once more, we would budget $25 million for that. We have $17 million in principal payments scheduled to come due. We'd like to keep probably no less than $50 million in availability over the next 12 months at all times, and we're amply covered there; beyond that, we also have $170 million in properties that are unpledged, which would provide another $100 million in borrowing capacity should interest rates become favorable or if we required it for other purposes.

David Gladstone

executive
#35

Well, that’s unfortunate. We enjoy taking questions. We’re hoping all of you will prepare some solid questions for us when we meet again, and we anticipate having far more information about these farms by the time we hold our next session. That brings this discussion to a close, and we appreciate everyone. Until next quarter.

Operator

operator
#36

Thanks. That brings today's call to a close. At this point, you're free to hang up, and we appreciate you taking part.

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