Gland Pharma Limited (GLAND) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

January 28, 2026

NSEI IN Health Care Pharmaceuticals earnings 63 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to the Gland Pharma Limited Q3 FY '26 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I now hand the conference over to Mr. Shriniwas from the Investor Relations team. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Shriniwas Dange

executive
#2

Thank you, Rayo. Good evening, everyone. We welcome you to Gland Pharma Earnings Conference Call for Q3 of FY '26. I'm Shriniwas Dange from the Investor Relations team at Gland Pharma. Today, we have Mr. Srinivas Sadu, Executive Chairman; Mr. Shyamakant Giri, Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Ravi Mitra, Chief Financial Officer from India Office; and Mr. Alain, CEO of Cenexi, who is connected virtually from France. We will begin the call with the business highlights from Mr. Sadu, followed by operational highlights from Mr. Giri. This will be taken up by updates about Cenexi from Mr. Alain. And lastly, the group financial overview by Mr. Ravi. Before we proceed, I would like to remind everyone that some of the statements made today will be forward-looking and are based on management's current estimates. These statements should be considered in light of the risks associated with our business. This call is being recorded. The playback and script will be available on our website shortly. I hand over the call to Mr. Sadu for his opening remarks. Over to you, sir.

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#3

Thank you, Shriniwas. Good evening, everyone, and wishing you all a very happy and prosperous new year. Welcome to Gland Pharma's earnings call for Q3 and 9 months ended FY '26. I will begin with a brief strategic overview, following which our CEO, Mr. Shyamakant Giri, will provide operational updates. Alain will then share an update on Cenexi and Ravi will walk you through our financial performance. Now let me give you a performance overview. I'm pleased to report that quarter 3 FY '26 was a strong quarter, marked by solid revenue growth and improved profitability, reinforcing our confidence in full year FY '26 performance. During the quarter, revenues grew by 22% year-on-year to INR 16,954 million with broad-based growth across businesses, including Cenexi. Adjusted EBITDA increased by 25% year-on-year to INR 4,490 million, supported by higher base business revenues, continued traction in CDMO programs, cost efficiency initiatives and a visible EBITDA turnaround at Cenexi. For the 9 months ended FY '26, revenue grew by 12%, while adjusted EBITDA increased by 26%. This reflects strong execution, better operating leverage and disciplined capital allocation. We remain confident in sustaining this momentum, supported by upcoming product launches, ramp-up of recently secured CDMO contracts and incremental contributions from new capacities. Looking at the growth drivers and pipeline expansion. We are significantly expanding our cartridge fill and finish capacity from 40 million to 140 million units. Beyond cartridges and GLP-1s, our pipeline of complex products, including hormones, suspensions, peptides, RTU bags, co-development programs, biosimilars and specialty injectable platforms provides long-term growth visibility. We also secured multiple new CDMO partnerships across oncology, peptides and prefilled syringes. What are our strategic focus areas? Our strategy is anchored on growth, capability, efficiency and ROCE with a clear objective of building Gland Pharma into a high-end innovation-led CDMO and specialty injectables company. This translates into a focus on CapEx and brownfield expansions to build differentiated capabilities, R&D investments to strengthen the product pipeline, cost efficiency initiatives to protect margins, new contract wins to drive sustained revenue growth and Cenexi turnaround to enhance profitability. On the brownfield expansion front, over the next 5 years, we plan to invest approximately INR 2,000 crores in CapEx, primarily towards BFS and ophthalmic lines as well as CapEx towards CDMO contracts. Brownfield expansions will include new lines, lyophilizers and additional warehouse capacity. India's pharmaceutical industry is undergoing one of the most exciting transformations in global health care. Rising R&D investments are fueling complex molecules, novel therapies and deeper manufacturing capabilities. This is not just growth, its strategic evolution. India Pharma is moving from being the pharmacy of the world to becoming a global innovation hub. Our investments are aimed at not only to support growth of base business, strong pipeline of CDMO contracts, but also a pipeline of complex differentiated and higher-value products and will help us grow not just from volume-led but also from value-led products as well. Selective and disciplined capital deployment will ensure strong ROCE, healthy cash generation and effective working capital management. Cost efficiency and margin sustainability is key to the success. While driving growth, maintaining healthy margins remains a key priority. Our cost savings initiatives include yield improvement, alternate vendor development, alternative energy sourcing, enhanced line efficiencies, operational excellence programs and automation. These measures typically deliver savings of 1 to 2 percentage points, helping offset any pricing pressure or product mix impact. Sustained base margins is supported by process optimization and alternate API sourcing, portfolio rationalization, focusing on higher-margin products, reallocation of capacity to our complex and niche formulations, increased automation and digitalization to improve productivity and reduce waste. R&D is also becoming a core differentiator, both in speed and delivering differentiated products for Gland. Our R&D investments continue to increase, reflecting our commitment to differentiated pipeline. During this quarter, we invested 5.4% of revenues in R&D, primarily focused on complex injectables, advanced delivery systems and platform-based development. We filed 9 ANDAs, received 4 approvals and launched 10 new products in the U.S. Our RTU bag portfolio continues to scale with 20 products filed, 16 approved and 13 under development, addressing an estimated market opportunity of $685 million. Our co-development pipeline now includes 15 products under active development across high potential categories, including 7 505(b)(2) filings and 8 ANDAs, reinforcing our focus on differentiated injectable platforms. There are new contract wins during the quarter. Long-term growth is being driven through new superior and technically differentiated CDMO contracts with large pharma companies, in-licensing opportunities for complex products and expansion beyond traditional B2B models. We have entered into a few long-term CDMO contracts for already commercialized products. While these require dedicated lines, it can add revenues over the medium term with durable revenue visibility. In the GLP-1 and cartridge segment, new partnerships are getting added further strengthening our medium- to long-term growth outlook. I'm pleased to inform you that our partner has received approval for liraglutide in the U.S., and we are ready for the U.S. launch in this quarter. On Cenexi turnaround update, Cenexi delivered revenues of EUR 50 million and EBITDA of EUR 1 million during the quarter, in line with our guidance. Performance improved through focused capacity debottlenecking, contract repricing to account for inflation, workforce optimization, higher utilization and deeper operational integration with Gland. We continue to see steady progress in stabilizing the business and building a foundation for profitable growth with additional synergies expected over the coming quarters. We expect Cenexi to remain on a growth trajectory through the mid- to long term. The overarching objective of these initiatives is to enhance not just scale, but also the quality of earnings and capital productivity, ensuring sustainable value creation for shareholders. Our strategic direction remains clear: to build Gland Pharma into a global innovation-led injectable and CDMO company that consistently delivers revenue growth, margin expansion and superior capital efficiency. Thank you for your continued trust and support. I will now invite our CEO, Mr. Shyamakant Giri, to share his perspective on the operational and business performance. Over to you, Giri.

Shyamakant Giri

executive
#4

Thank you, Mr. Sadu. Good evening, everyone, and my best wishes for the new year. Thank you for joining us today. This was a strong quarter with 22% revenue growth and solid profitability. Adjusted EBITDA margins were 26% and adjusted PAT margins 16%. Growth was broad-based with strong results in both Gland's core business and Cenexi, where we met our near-term quarterly sales target of EUR 50 million. In quarter 3 FY '26, we posted robust growth in regulated market. Revenue rose 19% in the U.S. and 54% in Europe, driven partly by 39% top line growth at Cenexi. Given this momentum, we are confident we can maintain full year FY '26 growth. Let me now walk you through our consolidated performance. In Q3 FY '26, consolidated revenue was INR 16,954 million, up 22% year-on-year. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA grew 25% to INR 4,490 million, supported by Cenexi reaching breakeven. Consolidated EBITDA margin was 26%. Our year-to-date numbers show strong progress. For the first 9 months FY '26, consolidated revenue reached INR 46,879 million, up 12% over 9 months FY '25. Adjusted EBITDA was INR 11,582 million, with margins up to 25% from 22% last year, driven by better base business performance and the Cenexi turnaround. I will now highlight the performance of our base business and Gland, excluding Cenexi, before detailing performance by each key market segment. In the U.S. market, we launched 9 molecules in Q3 FY '26, including Argatroban, acetazolamide and doxycycline. U.S. revenue grew 16% year-on-year to INR 8,290 million in quarter 3 and reached INR 23,446 million (sic) [ INR 23,466 million ] for 9 months FY '26. In other regulated markets like Europe, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, they generated INR 881 million in quarter 3 FY '26, reflecting a 16% year-on-year increase. For the 9 months ended FY '26, revenues from this market reached INR 2,454 million, marking a 17% year-on-year rise. In the ROW market, it grew by 12%, contributing to INR 1,876 million in Q3 FY '26. In ROW, own product revenue grew 7%, while tech-transfer and CMO revenues increased 44%. For 9-month FY '26, ROW revenues were INR 5,044 million, up 5%. India generated revenues of INR 744 million in Q3 FY '26, up 32% year-on-year. For 9 months FY '26, India business revenues were INR 2,002 million, which is 6% of the total base revenues. Cenexi delivered a strong performance. Quarterly revenues were EUR 50 million, up 21% in constant currency. For 9-month FY '26, Cenexi revenue rose to EUR 138 million from EUR 121 million last year, a 14% constant currency increase. This performance reflects disciplined execution over the past year, including higher capacity utilization, contract renegotiations, workflow rationalization, new product ramp-ups and stronger integration with brand in business development, tech-transfer and shared functions. With several strategic initiatives underway, including expanding the ampoule line at Fontenay and adding a vial and a combo lines at BLA, we are confident in Cenexi's medium- and long-term growth despite inherent quarter-to-quarter fluctuations. Overall, this quarter, we strengthened our market footprint, driven by broader reach and more traction from our differentiated high-value product portfolio. Our commitment to quality and regulatory compliance is unwavering and so is the strong cost discipline operational efficiency. We remain focused on building capabilities through organic and inorganic investments, talent development and leadership. We believe these efforts position us for sustained growth and long-term value. In summary, our strong results this quarter reaffirm our strategic direction and ability to deliver sustained value. We are well positioned to seize future opportunities and drive long-term success. I will now invite Alain to provide more details on Cenexi's performance. Over to you, Alain.

Alain Kirchmeyer

attendee
#5

Thank you, Mr. Giri. Good evening, and Happy New Year to everyone. This has been a strong quarter at Cenexi, and we are pleased to have delivered on our guidance. Cenexi recorded EUR 50 million in revenue this quarter, a 21% increase over the same period last year and the highest quarterly revenue during CY 2025. All sites showed a major revenue improvement compared to the previous year with a pickup in revenues from Hérouville and Fontenay. We are happy to inform you that we delivered an EBITDA of EUR 1.4 million in Q3 FY '26, in line with our guidance. This underscores that our turnaround strategy is gaining momentum. During the first 9 months of FY '26, revenue stands at EUR 138 million, reflecting a 14% growth year-over-year and an EBITDA improvement by EUR 10 million. I will now provide key site level updates. First, at Fontenay, we are investing in a new high-capacity ampoule line, adding 30 million in capacity by 2027. This will strengthen the position of the site on the market as the largest ampoule manufacturing site in Europe. The site will continue to improve realization by passing on price increases to customers in line with inflation and regulatory requirements. The activity of our Hérouville site continues to grow strongly, supported by the continuous ramp-up in production of 2 products launched in 2025, an inactivated vaccine and a sterile ophthalmic gel. Both sites in Braine-l'Alleud and Osny maintained strong momentum and profitability. At Braine, we are planning to install a new vial line under an isolator. Also, we will install a new combo line for prefilled syringes and cartridges in 2026. This line will significantly increase our manufacturing capacity and allow us to attract new high-value projects. We remain confident in our outlook for calendar year 2026. The strategic initiatives and investments made so far are expected to begin delivering meaningful results from 2026 onwards, setting the stage for sustained momentum. Thank you for your attention. I now invite Ravi to take you through our financial performance in more detail. Ravi, over to you.

Ravi Mitra

executive
#6

Thank you, Alain. Good evening and a very happy New Year to everyone. Thank you for joining us today as we review our financial performance for the third quarter and 9 months of FY '26. I am pleased to share that Q3 FY '26 was a strong quarter for us, marked by healthy revenue momentum across key markets and continued improvement in profitability. Our consolidated revenue for the quarter stood at INR 16,954 million, reflecting a year-on-year growth of 22%. The base business performed well with revenues of INR 11,790 crores, reflecting a year-on-year growth of 16%, supported by broad-based improvement across geographies. Cenexi also delivered a solid performance with revenues increasing 39% year-on-year to INR 5,164 million. Overall, gross margins for the quarter was 66%, broadly in line with the previous year and higher compared to 63% of previous quarter. Excluding Cenexi, base business gross margins stood at 61% versus 63% last year, primarily due to product mix and similar to Q2 of FY '26. Our performance for 9 months FY '26 has been equally robust. Consolidated revenue for the 9-month period reached INR 46,879 million, a year-on-year increase of 12%. Base business revenues came in at INR 32,965 million, Cenexi revenues rose 26% year-on-year to INR 13,913 million. Overall, gross margins improved to 65%, up from 62% last year, driven by a favorable business and product mix. Excluding Cenexi, base business gross margins were 60% compared to 57% in the previous year. Expenses during both Q3 FY '26 and 9 months FY '26 were higher, primarily on account of increased R&D investments, employee costs and certain onetime items. R&D expenses for the quarter stood at INR 650 million, representing 5.4% of sales, up from INR 437 million last year, demonstrating increase in R&D efforts and filings. Our R&D programs, including complex pipeline continue to progress well. For the 9-month period, R&D expenses were INR 1,725 million or 5.2% compared to INR 1,419 million last year. During Q3 FY '26, adjusting for ESOP-related noncash expense of INR 141 million, EBITDA stood at INR 4,490 million, with a margin of 26%. The EBITDA margins were in line with Q3 FY '25 despite increased R&D spend. For the base business, excluding Cenexi, adjusted EBITDA was INR 4,342 million with a margin of 37%. We are particularly pleased that Cenexi delivered positive EBITDA of INR 148 million during the quarter. For 9 months FY '26, adjusted EBITDA after excluding ESOP-related expense and one-off items stood at INR 11,582 million with a margin of 25%. For the base business, excluding Cenexi, adjusted EBITDA was INR 11,965 million with margin of 36%. Cenexi's EBITDA loss narrowed significantly to INR 383 million compared to INR 1,283 million last year, a meaningful improvement. Other income, comprising mainly foreign exchange gains and interest from bank deposits amounted to INR 632 million in Q3 FY '26 and INR 2,049 million for 9 months FY '26. After adjusting for an exceptional wage code-related impact of INR 243 million and its consequent tax effects, net profit for the quarter stood at INR 2,797 million, translating to adjusted PAT margin of 16% against 15% in Q3 FY '25. Adjusted net profit for 9 months FY '26 came in at INR 6,789 million with margin of 14% compared to 12% last year. On a stand-alone basis, our effective tax rate for the quarter was 25%. As of December 31, 2025, total cash and equivalents at the group level were INR 30,525 million, including non-callable deposit of INR 3,960 million. External debt at the Cenexi level stood at INR 3,363 million. Cash flow from operation was INR 337 million for the Q3 FY '26 and INR 6,269 million for 9 months FY '26. Our cash conversion cycle averaged 166 days for the first 9 months, an improvement from 172 days at the end of FY '25, largely driven by better inventory and receivable management. Total CapEx during the first 9 months of FY '26 amounted to INR 3,566 million, primarily directed towards new projects at Cenexi, capacity and capability upgrades at our India facility and regular maintenance CapEx. For this full year FY '26, CapEx for the base business is expected to be around INR 2,500 million and EUR 25 million at Cenexi. With that, I would now request the operator to open the line for questions. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#7

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from Tushar Manudhane from Motilal Oswal Financial Services.

Tushar Manudhane

analyst
#8

So firstly, on this CMO contract, if you could also share what's the size of this contract and the time line for completing this contract and starting time line for [indiscernible] the one with respect to oncology...

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#9

Tushar, you're referring to the new CDMO contract. That's -- the time line is '28, probably third or fourth quarter, end of '28. And that the expected revenue is around INR 25 million, INR 30 million per year.

Tushar Manudhane

analyst
#10

Usually INR 25 million to INR 30 million per year, starting end '28, correct?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#11

Yes, correct. Yes.

Tushar Manudhane

analyst
#12

So this would require certain CapEx from our side and which is why this contract timing is end of '28?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#13

Yes. So it's a dedicated -- it's a complex product. So we have to create some dedicated compounding area for this product. So that's why we need this time and then the tech-transfer and then the variation filing. It's a commercial product in Europe and many countries. So the variation filing has to happen in Europe in several countries. So that's why the commercialization will happen in third or fourth quarter of '28.

Tushar Manudhane

analyst
#14

And how much CapEx would you be requiring for this project?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#15

About INR 80 crores.

Tushar Manudhane

analyst
#16

Got it, sir. Sir, just secondly, if you could also share U.S., Europe constant currency growth for the quarter on a year-on-year basis?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#17

About 5%.

Tushar Manudhane

analyst
#18

In U.S. And in Europe?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#19

Overall, it's around 5%. You can take overall.

Tushar Manudhane

analyst
#20

For the base business?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#21

Yes.

Tushar Manudhane

analyst
#22

Got it. And just lastly, if I may, if you could share milestone and profit share for the quarter?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#23

Profit share is around 9% and the milestone around 7%.

Operator

operator
#24

The next question is from Tarang Agrawal from Old Bridge.

Tarang Agrawal

analyst
#25

I had 2 questions. One, if you could give us a sense on how the Cenexi trajectory should play out going forward from here on? And second, in your initial address, you did call out about investing INR 2,000 crores. If you could give more color in terms of what is the time line within which you're looking at investing it, the approval time lines and the kind of asset turns that you would look out of these investments given that it's going to be a mix of both volume as well as value.

Ravi Mitra

executive
#26

So I'll take the CapEx question first. So we would be building a brownfield expansion of capacity, which would be adding to existing vial, lyo, other delivery formats. And that is considering the increased demand and other expectations we have. In addition to that, we are also putting up BFS line. We are putting up new ophthalmic line, which is a suspension line. And this would be spent over a period of next 5 years. So next year, our CapEx should be around more than INR 400 crores. And asset turn should be more than around 3x, considering the high-value business we are expecting in this new facility.

Shyamakant Giri

executive
#27

On the Cenexi question -- yes, go ahead, Tarang.

Tarang Agrawal

analyst
#28

Yes. Just to follow-up on this. I mean, what is driving this kind of confidence? I mean, from the point of view of customers, you did call out demand, you did call out India being an innovation hub. So if you could just elaborate in terms of the structure of the industry because it's a sizable portion now from the point of view of where your gross block is today and the kind of investment that you're committing?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#29

So one is on the ophthalmic side, the current capacity, we have almost -- we're not able to cater to actually the demand. And we have several products under approval stage, and we need additional capacities. Ophthalmic line, which also has capability of suspensions. Today, we don't have ophthalmic line with suspension capability. So that's a need. There are several key products in that space. So that's one line we're investing into. The BFS, there are some specialty products on Blow-Fill Syringe technology, which you want to get into. And we also see in the market -- in several markets, the 3-piece is also moving to BFS technology. And currently, we only have a 3-piece line, and we are not able to sell -- cater to the ROW business because of lack of this BFS technology also. So as an injectable company, you need that technology and also the way the market is moving, we need to be ahead of the curve. So that's one of the reasons we want to invest into BFS. But there are also several -- we have done some projects we're doing, which falls under BFS, which are under specialty category. So that's the other one. In terms of additional capacities, we are running, I would say, next 1, 1.5 years we will be running out of lyo capacities. If you see the growth coming from our -- if you look at last few quarters growth, the volume growth is larger. Even last quarter, if you see volume growth is almost 19% in the U.S. So while the prices dropped. So we are aggressively looking at -- while we have reduced our costs internally, we have become more efficient. So we are utilizing that gain to get more contracts in the U.S., and that's why we did mention in our last couple of quarters that we worked on efficiencies, we got on our cost down, and that's why we are able to win a lot of contracts and GPO contracts in the U.S. and the supply started from this quarter. So the volumes are higher, so we need those capacities as well. So it has -- and also the fourth aspect is the CDMO contracts, which we are entering. Some contracts are backed by commercial quantities where the players are entering into different segments and we're trying to move the commercial products to our sites. So we need to invest into that as well. So there are a lot more focus on the CDMO contracts last 12 to 18 months. So that business we are trying to grow substantially. But not into a me-too generic kind of products, more complex specialty kind of products and also focusing on the commercialized products where the revenues are -- you have clear visibility on revenues in next 2 to 3 years with worst case take-or-pay agreements, I would say.

Shyamakant Giri

executive
#30

And Tarang, on your Cenexi question, the performance in this quarter reflects a disciplined execution over the past so many quarters, including capacity utilization, workforce rationalization, optimization, ramp-ups and all of that. So there will be quarter-to-quarter fluctuation. But overall, on an annualized basis, EBITDA to remain positive and we are confident in Cenexi's medium- to long-term growth.

Tarang Agrawal

analyst
#31

And just a follow-up on Cenexi. So would it be fair to presume that EUR 50 million is a good baseline to work with now?

Ravi Mitra

executive
#32

So on an annualized basis, yes, you can take it to EUR 100 million, but there could be some quarter-to-quarter [indiscernible].

Operator

operator
#33

The next question is from Neha Manpuria from Bank of America.

Neha Manpuria

analyst
#34

My first question is again on the CapEx number. The INR 2,000 crores that we had mentioned, how much of this would be for Cenexi versus the base business?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#35

This is for base business, Neha.

Neha Manpuria

analyst
#36

Okay. So that means we are nearly doubling the gross block or nearly doubling the gross block once this CapEx is completed?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#37

Yes, that's correct, yes.

Neha Manpuria

analyst
#38

And what would be the average utilization of the existing capacity that we have? And at what point do you think capacity becomes a constraint for growth? I mean how soon do we need to get this capacity up and running to maintain the mid-teen growth that you've guided to?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#39

It depends on the lines, but most of the lines we are running at 80% to 90% capacity. Some lines are almost top of the output. On the prefilled syringe, we have enough capacity and we're not investing into that. And of course, the cartridge, these are new technologies we got into those, we have enough capacities. But if you look at lyophilizers or liquid vials and also I think those are almost -- we're running at -- most of the lines are at 90% capacity, a few lines at 40%, 50%. So at least for next 2 years, we need to invest into additional capacity. So this INR 2,000 crores will be spread across the next few years.

Neha Manpuria

analyst
#40

Understood. My second question is on the overall guidance. I think we'd had mentioned a mid-teens guidance. I think we're tracking at about 12%. And there was scope of a large product launched by a partner in the U.S., which seems to have been delayed. Based on the 12% growth in the 9 months, do we still have confidence in that 15%? And what's the update on the dalba launch by the partner?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#41

Good thing is we got approval in 6 countries in Europe. So we launched in December in 6 of the European countries. So more countries get launched out of U.S. U.S., we have goal date in February. So hopefully -- we're just waiting for an approval, so they need an additional data, which we submitted this month in January. So we should be able to get some.

Neha Manpuria

analyst
#42

And let's assume dalba does not come through in Feb, would we still be able to maintain the mid-teens growth that we've been guiding to?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#43

So there are actual batches -- actual demand which came from Europe. So that will at least offset some of the gain even some of the losses if you don't get an approval. But hopefully, they're also trying to get a player so that we can ship out some batches. So if that happens, we'll see some numbers coming to the U.S. as well.

Neha Manpuria

analyst
#44

Okay. And how should we think about the growth from here for FY '27 for the base business? So I feel like you mentioned it's EUR 200 million base, which we should grow on. But for the base business, what's the growth? Because even for Europe, if we see the CMO contract, it is ramping up much lower than what I would have -- we would have expected. So is it possible for us to maintain this mid-teens growth going? Or should we see this growth momentum possibly improve given the investments we are making?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#45

I think overall as a company, we should be growing at 12%, 13% at least that's the minimum confidence we have. And if the CMS get faster approval in Europe, where the variation filing is happening and if we get that earlier than anticipated, so we thought at least in second half of this year, we should get some quantities. If that happens, it will be a bit more. But I think 13% -- 12% to 13% is I think the best bet.

Neha Manpuria

analyst
#46

So the CMS approval is expected this year, in fiscal '26, is the remaining two?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#47

That's a meaningful business. The variation filing is happening in different countries in Europe. So approval is expected in 6 months. Yes, if that happens, then it could be a little higher.

Operator

operator
#48

Next question is from Ashish from Leo Capital.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#49

By when do we expect the 140 million Pen/cartridge capacity for GLP-1 to be operational? And what sort of orders from customers or commitments do we have on it?

Shyamakant Giri

executive
#50

So first and foremost, let me take this 140 million is a fungible capacity. If you look at both cartridges and vials, number one. Number two, we have launched our first GLP in Canada last quarter, liraglutide. And we are -- there's a U.S. approval coming through...

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#51

No, already approved in the U.S. Launched in January.

Shyamakant Giri

executive
#52

We launched in January already in the U.S. We are contracted 2 to 3 more GLP players, and there is a pipeline of around 6 to 7 players more to be contracted. From an -- and we are also looking beyond the GLPs for this cartridge line like insulins and insulin analogs. So we are in talks with one of a very important big insulin players for the capacity that we have. So overall, looking at things, we can look at in FY '27 around 15 million to 20 million utilization. It would take some time for us to completely utilize 140 million, but this is what the visibility is as of now.

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#53

So as of now the capacity is 40 million, just to be clear. And then 100 million is getting added this year. But the idea is not -- you're going to fill up the line with GLP-1 in near term. The idea is to have these capacities ready because of the contract what we have. In the meantime, we also -- and that's the reason why we have a fungible line where we can fill vials and cartridges in one line, syringes and cartridges in the other line. So we can utilize for other products also. But I think the 40 million probably will fill up faster because of the insulin discussions of what we're having with the partners.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#54

Got it. Would you say capacities for fill and finish on the pen cartridge side are in shortage right now and there is significant capacity build out ahead of the patent expiry?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#55

It depends how the market pans out, right? I mean if it really stands out like what they are saying, there is not enough capacity, but we also need to see how the molecules will pan out. So our next -- at least next 3, 4 years forecast, we are not considering too much of GLP-1 because one is, of course, the patent situation and also the others, how the pricing will pan out. So the numbers, what we are projecting is very minimum revenue numbers we are allocating to GLP-1. If it really happens like the market is saying, then it will be additional numbers what we could get to in addition to the guidance what we are giving.

Operator

operator
#56

The next question is from Bino Pathiparampil from Elara Capital.

Bino Pathiparampil

analyst
#57

Believe me, partly answered my question, but I just wanted to know are you -- have you already tied up some semaglutide contracts for FY '27 within your capacity? Or is it all liraglutide as of now?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#58

No, we have signed up with several semaglutide generics also. Yes, even that we have signed up.

Bino Pathiparampil

analyst
#59

So including semaglutide, you are saying only about 30 million of your 40 million capacity will be in FY'27?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#60

If you add up what customers are estimating and projected, it will be a huge number. So we don't want to be too optimistic on that. We have to be a little conservative on how the market is behaving because we also need to look at -- one of the key areas is, we don't want to sell at a price where it's not workable. So from a capacity perspective, we have built in. But as a derisking strategy, we took a fungible line so that we can also use it for other products. So -- but what we are saying is, in addition to GLP, we are also -- because we're already making insulin for Eli Lilly for several years. So we also have that experience. So we're talking to insulin manufacturers who have commercialized this product in large numbers. So that could be a big item for this line. It is for the 40 million lines. In the meanwhile, we look at how the market behaves and if we have to sign more contracts or are the contracts what we have signed is good enough to fill those banks.

Bino Pathiparampil

analyst
#61

Got it. And by when do you expect the additional 100 million capacity to be online?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#62

That will be next 5 months. The line is actually getting delivered this week -- next week, sorry. So by the time validations and everything will happen, may be even 4 months. So by second quarter, the line will be ready to take it through the batches.

Bino Pathiparampil

analyst
#63

Okay. Understood. And one last question. After several quarters of U.S. revenue around high $90s million per quarter. This quarter, you have shown some improvement in U.S. of developed markets to around $110 million. Do you think there is a chance that this can dip below that further? Or this will be a new base on which you will grow on a quarterly basis?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#64

I did mention in today's call and also previous calls that some of the contracts of our top 10 products, what we launched the GPO contracts a few years ago, we got it 3 quarters ago. The supplies would be starting from third or fourth quarter of FY '26. And that's why you're seeing the uptick. I mean if you see the volumes compared to previous quarters, it's higher. I mean the volumes are almost 19% higher if you look at year-on-year and I think 16% on quarter-on-quarter. So these volumes are some coming from the new contracts what we have signed up, and this will get annualized next year. So it's basically what we lost, we got it back this year, I would say.

Operator

operator
#65

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from Sajal Kapoor from Antifragile Thinking.

Sajal Kapoor

analyst
#66

Mr. Sadu, beyond the reported turnaround at Cenexi and congratulations, by the way, you have been sounding very positive over the previous few earnings calls that this business will turn around. Now that the turnaround has happened, the question or the optics will now obviously shift to the EBITDA margin and the ROCE because it's relative to our base business where we were before the acquisition, we were a lot higher on the EBITDA as well as the ROCE as both those metrics have been diluted by Cenexi. So what is the steady state, maybe a midterm 3-year kind of a road map to try and bridge the gap both on the ROCE as well as the EBITDA between our base business and Cenexi?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#67

So one of the initiatives, I mean, of course, we are still working on efficiencies at Cenexi to improve the EBITDA. On the BD front, we have integrated Gland and Europe BD. Sometimes it's not reflected directly into Cenexi's business, but it also -- as a consol company, you should start looking at it. I mean if you look at this quarter itself, our milestone income in the U.S. actually has come down drastically. But overall, it's only 2% decrease because most of the actually milestone came from our contracts in Europe. So you should also see that how the Cenexi and Gland together is also helping the company, which you talked about initially, but the focus was mostly on how to turn around, but also you should see in parallel, what are the synergies we can get out of this business, which was not directly seen from Cenexi's business, but as a consol business, what you can get out of this. So you will see the European business growing. And we also have to see -- now the 35% business is great, but also we have to see how dependent are we on U.S. We have seen 2 years back when we had a setback, we were so dependent on U.S., we decided, okay, we need to derisk ourselves, right? So you should also look at -- today, we are dependent on U.S. for 50% of business and 25% is in Europe. Now the quality of the business we do, we have to improve for sure. One is, of course, getting the efficiencies back. Second, how to improve the portfolios of Cenexi. And that's the reason why you see investments going into higher-end products, not just ampoule business, which is there. And you know in pharma it takes time. So it's that transition we are doing. And also it has capabilities which Gland can exploit, whether it is hormonal products, which you can't make or the control substances which you can't make. Now again, you have to look at from a synergy perspective. So as Gland, we cannot do those kind of products with Cenexi, we can do that product. So in the future, you might see revenues coming out of Gland base business, but it wouldn't have happened if we don't have Cenexi. So as a company, I think we should start looking at how Cenexi has contributed to Gland, how Gland has contributed to Cenexi rather than independently looking at Cenexi and because that's how when you make an acquisition, we just don't look at a single business. You see as a whole how the business works. And I think that's what we tend to tell that, okay, fine, we are turning it around, but how Cenexi is also contributing to us. So in several of our development projects now we have started R&D and some products where Gland cannot do it because of the facilities what we don't have, where Cenexi has. So we will start manufacturing from there. So I think from a long-term strategic perspective, it's a move we consciously took. Yes, it took time for 2 years to get it turn around, and it's our first acquisition and we are integrating it. So you see more positive results independently for Cenexi and also as a consol company.

Sajal Kapoor

analyst
#68

Sure. That's very helpful. And thank you for detailing the response, which kind of helps us better understand the overall synergies and the dynamics because we just absolutely, I agree that you can't just look at the individual businesses as an individual part, you have to look at the whole. So I completely appreciate that. My second and last question is regarding this biologics CDMO, so we are tripling the capacity, right, if I'm not mistaken, from 8 million or 8 KL to 23 KL what is the expected ROCE and is this capacity expansion all backed by sort of contracts that we have signed either with Dr. Reddy's or otherwise? I mean how confident are we in terms of utilizing this enhanced capacity? And what is the hurdle rate in terms of return on capital?

Ravi Mitra

executive
#69

So this is a greenfield. We'll be building this capacity in Shamirpet beside our existing lake care. So we are in a stage where we don't have -- because in particular CDMO business, you have to build the capacity and then sign the contracts. But we are in active discussion with some players for the products there. So at this point of time, we'll not be able to put a number to that. But our hurdle rate for any investment is, of course, 20% IRR. So that we keep in mind when we make our internal investment projections.

Operator

operator
#70

The next question is from Saion from Nomura.

Saion Mukherjee

analyst
#71

Ravi, in case of the ESOP charges that you take, how should we think about this year, next year? And will it sort of come down going forward?

Ravi Mitra

executive
#72

So current quarter is INR 14 crores. And typically, it would be -- it would go down for this grant as we see next year. And of course, this ESOP started from middle of Q1. So full year, if you annualize, it will be a little higher than this year's cost. But -- and then it's not the full ESOP scheme, so we may have future grants also given. In that case, the cost may go up. So we'll not be able to exactly quantify what's going to be the ESOP cost next year. But typically, we have -- where the vesting is over a period of 3 years. So it gets distributed over a period of 3 years for any new plans.

Saion Mukherjee

analyst
#73

Okay. And also this 15 million to 20 million that you mentioned about utilization for the new cartridge line for fiscal '27. How should we think about in '28, if you have any visibility around that?

Shyamakant Giri

executive
#74

So there is -- so we spoke this capacity utilization with insulin as Mr. Sadu also told, we are talking to a big pharma company on the insulin side. And on the other hand, there is a pipeline of 7 to 8 GLP-1 customers also where the talks are going on. So I think '28 will be far better than '27. I don't have a number now, but we are looking very positive and very optimistic about taking the time ahead.

Saion Mukherjee

analyst
#75

Great. So just for fiscal '28, as you see GLP scale up, you see the CDMO contract coming through. And also, you talked about synergy benefits coming out of Cenexi. So for the base business, should we expect stronger growth in fiscal '28 versus 12%, 13% that you talked about for fiscal '27?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#76

So we are looking at 15% CAGR for 5 years as a company other than the inorganic what we may do in the next few years. As organic, we look at 15% CAGR for 5 years.

Saion Mukherjee

analyst
#77

Okay. And just one question, if I can ask regarding the synergy from Cenexi now since of stabilizing, how should we think about that? I mean, if you can give some color on the kind of discussions you are having that the base business can get impacted and the trajectory around that, like I would assume these things take time. So is there a point where you see inflection happening on account of Cenexi, the synergy benefits for the base business?

Shyamakant Giri

executive
#78

So as Mr. Sadu said, we have integrated the BD, which means we have a lot of customers who wanted to make in Europe. This integrated BD thing will cross-sell each other's capacity. This is one part of it. The second part of it is also we will have full year of Line G, which is a high-speed line that we installed last year, okay? We are also installing another high-speed line there. We have seen ramp-up in HSC of the inactivated vaccine and also on the ophthalmic gel. With respect to synergy, yes, BD, as I told you, is a tech transfer synergy of -- there's a knowledge transfer happening between both the tech transfer team. There is a synergy around efficiency, there's a synergy around quality teams and all of that. Yes, a lot of synergies, a lot of synergies are at play, okay? Difficult to quantify at this point in time, but we have seen -- we have taken baby steps and we have seen benefit coming out of this synergy.

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#79

So just to add to -- on the software aspects, from the BD perspective, several customers, we are doing a joint tendering now, especially we have -- we discussed about capacities earlier in the call. We have a lot of ampoule capacities and there are a lot of tenders, global tenders coming from the big pharma to consolidate the ampoule business. So we have actually participated in 2 tenders where some volumes we have quoted from Cenexi and probably 70% from Gland. So this kind of stuff will happen. I mean when I'm saying 15% CAGR, they are not included this because these are happening. But we are pretty confident because if you look at how the entire market scenario is, even the companies are trying to integrate 15, 16 CDMO services to one company, and we have all that under one roof. So we did participate in 2 large tenders, 60 million, 70 million ampoule tenders jointly. And there are also products -- the companies who are taking the CDMO services from Cenexi, they are actually talking to us to in-license products from Gland. So that will open up. So we have licensed 4 products last quarter in Europe. That's where you see some milestone income from Europe as well. So that has also panned out well. So if you start launching those products in Europe, you see some revenue coming out of -- in that market also. So that's again ongoing process where it's a new entry for us in terms of filing dossiers in Europe. We had the 4 approvals, which we have licensed out, but that is a growing business. So in that sense, a lot of companies are going to in-license products. That's one area we're looking at. And also -- we're also giving the company opportunity to grow their business because of the cost structure in Europe, they're not able to compete well in the ROW markets. So they're losing share. So we are offering services to them in India so that they can get a better pricing so they can increase the volumes as well. So yes, so several areas we are working together.

Operator

operator
#80

Next question is from Abdulkader Puranwala from ICICI Securities.

Abdulkader Puranwala

analyst
#81

Congrats on a good set of numbers. Sir, my first question is pertaining to your Europe business. So for Gland and Cenexi, both of these segments, we are seeing very good growth in this particular quarter. Sir, just wanted to understand here that what is the kind of opportunity you're seeing in Cenexi first on this inactivated vaccine and the sterile gel. And for Gland as well, would this quarterly run rate be sustainable in the quarters ahead as well?

Shyamakant Giri

executive
#82

Okay. So on these 2 products, inactivated vaccine and sterile gel, there is a ramp-up that we have seen. And these are products from the innovative pharma side, okay? Inactivated vaccine though is seasonal, but we have seen more ramp-up quarter-by-quarter. This will continue to grow. And similarly, the ophthal sterile gel. On the other question that you asked on the growth, yes, as I told in the past that all the effort still continues, but all the efforts that we started beginning of 2025 is now showing results in some way. We'll push the pedal more and we make sure that on an annualized basis Cenexi remains on course and we're confident on Cenexi's medium and long-term growth.

Abdulkader Puranwala

analyst
#83

Understood. And on your gross margins for the base business. So despite your share going up significantly as compared to where we were last year, I think the gross margins are still better. So would it be fair to assume that the new businesses are at par at what you are currently doing in U.S. or in Europe itself?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#84

To be honest, actually, if you look at the prices wise, it is down, but we are -- we became more efficient, I would say, with initiatives which we took. So that's why we're able to maintain the margins and be more aggressive in terms of pricing. So if you see there was a price drop of almost 5%, 6% if you compare to the previous, but still we're able to maintain margins because our costs have come down and that's why we are seeing more volumes, same margin but lower pricing. So it kind of nullified that. And that's only because of the internal efficiency, we came out increasing batch sizes. We have invested -- there was a question around CapEx, actually we invested into large capacity tanks, so that we will increase the batch size. So some investments went into that so -- to reduce the cost. And that's what you're seeing now. So basically, it's aggressive pricing, reduced cost internally to be more attractive in terms of market scenario, which gave us volumes also.

Abdulkader Puranwala

analyst
#85

Okay. And one more on the co-development partnership products. So the 15 products what you have, which will begin in '28. So what was the TAM for these 15 products? And from FY '28 perspective, how many products of that we should see getting commercialized?

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#86

We will come back to you on this question Abdul.

Abdulkader Puranwala

analyst
#87

Can you hear me?

Operator

operator
#88

Mr. Abdulkader, can you hear us? And due to time constraints, we'll have to take that as the last question. I would now like to hand the conference over to the management team for closing comments.

Srinivas Sadu

executive
#89

Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. We appreciate your participation in the question-and-answer session during the call. If you have any follow-up questions, please feel free to reach out to us. We look forward to connecting with you again next quarter. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#90

Thank you very much. On behalf of Gland Pharma Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us. Ladies and gentlemen, you may now disconnect your lines.

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