Globe Telecom, Inc. (GLO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

November 4, 2020

Philippine Stock Exchange PH Communication Services earnings 54 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#1

Good morning, and welcome to the Virtual Third Quarter 2020 Analyst briefing of Globe Telecom. Allow me to introduce our management panel for today's briefing. We have Mr. Ernest Cu, President and Chief Executive Officer; Mr. Alberto de Larrazabal, Chief Commercial Officer; Mr. Gil Genio, Chief Technology and Information Officer; Ms. Rizza Maniego-Eala, Chief Financial Officer; And Atty. Froilan Castelo, General Counsel. Mr. Cu will present the highlights of the company's performance for the third quarter 2020. To be followed by Ms. Maniego-Eala, who will present the financial results. Afterwards, we will open the Q&A session beginning with the questions sent by e-mail to investor relations team at globe.com.ph, prior to the start of the briefing, to be followed by additional questions also sent by e-mail during the course of the presentation. May we now request Mr. Cu for his presentation.

Ernest Cu

executive
#2

Thank you, Jomari, and good morning, and thank you as well to everyone for joining us today. I'll go through our financial performance for the past 3 quarters of 2020 at a high level, and then turn the floor over to our CFO, Rizza Maniego-Eala, to discuss the financials and operating results in more detail. Service revenues for the 9-month period came in at PHP 109.1 billion, a slight 1% contraction versus the same period last year, owing to the impact of the prolonged ECQ period from mid-March to May. In contrast, third quarter revenues showed a 3% growth versus the second quarter indicating continued revenue recovery as the economy opens up. EBITDA was lower, 3% year-on-year to PHP 56.3 billion, while third quarter EBITDA was relatively flat versus the second quarter. Year-to-date EBITDA margin of 52% remained in line with full year guidance, while third quarter EBITDA margin was slightly lower. Similarly, net income declined by 10% year-on-year and quarter-on-quarter. Net income contraction notwithstanding, we continue to beat our own estimates and are performing close to pre-ECQ levels going into the last few months of 2020. Owing to our performance this quarter, our Board of Directors saw it fit to declare fourth quarter dividends of PHP 31.33 per share, up from PHP 24.83 in the previous quarter. This brings total dividends for the year to PHP 108 per share or 64% of 2019 core net income. Moving on to the revenue components of the quarter. The mobile business comprising 71% of service revenue contributed PHP 77.3 billion, a 6% decline versus the same period last year, while the fixed line and home broadband segment rose 11% year-on-year, contributing PHP 30.9 billion. Consistent with the ongoing shift in concentration of data usage to the home, the broadband segment continues to drive the company's performance, growing 22% year-on-year. We continue to see great take-up of our fixed wireless service with subscribers now at 2.8 million, up 119% year-on-year. Fixed wired subscribers also saw a 7% growth year-on-year, bringing total home broadband subscribers to 3.5 million. 82% above the 1.9 million reported last year. On a quarterly basis, home broadband subscribers grew 21% versus the second quarter. The mobile data segment also posted growth, a modest 2% year-on-year, while the while mobile voice and SMS decline is 16% and 29%, respectively. Corporate data, on the other hand, contracted by 3% year-on-year, mostly due to the dip in second quarter from clients choosing to cut their lease line subscriptions during ECQ. On a more positive note, since the easing of ECQ going into GCQ for majority of the country last June 1, third quarter revenues improved versus the ECQ-impacted second quarter with all product segments growing. In particular, third quarter mobile revenues showed some reversal in the year to the trends which points to continued recovery of the business. Similar to the first half of 2020, data-related revenues for the 9-month period made up 75% of total service revenues, with mobile data contributing 49%, home broadband contributing 17% and corporate data contributing 9%. While mobile data revenue growth continued to be challenged, mobile data traffic, on other hand, is still on a rise with third quarter data traffic growing 12% quarter-on-quarter and 51% year-on-year to 656 petabytes. This brings total mobile data traffic for the period to 1,762 petabytes, a 47% growth versus the 1,200 petabytes last year. Monthly ARPU is now at 6.6 gigs per month, up 63% against the 4.1 gigs a month last year -- a month a year ago. This is up 15% against the 5.7 gig per month last quarter. The upswing in data consumption is a function of our -- offering our subscribers more relevant promotions that cater to their changing needs, coupled with more data users becoming more conscientious of their data consumption and spend. This is evidenced in the rapidly expanding data needs of Filipinos, which will only continue to grow as economy recovers. Heeding the call for improved telco services, Globe embarks on another network upgrade to improve voice and data experience of its customers. We have laid out the 3-pronged strategy, the first of which is to accelerate cell site builds to expand coverage and capacity. With the support of the Bayanihan to Recover as One or Bayanihan 2 Act, we have secured over 700 building and CFEI permits and are targeting to install at least 800 cell sites in the fourth quarter. The second strategy is to upgrade and equip all cell sites with 4G/LTE to improve coverage and speeds. We're also encouraging our customers to switch to LTE SIMs and devices to experience faster data speeds and improved data service. Earlier this month, we completed the removal of 3G SIMs for sale across our retail and distribution chains, a move we executed last year to facilitate the shift to 4G/LTE. Ahead of these aggressive upgrades and builds, we are already seeing significant network improvements, the fruit of our sustained efforts to upgrade network coverage and capacity. In fact, Opensignal, recently named Globe as one of the most improved telcos in the world in terms of video experience with a 32.7% improvement in June 2020 versus June of 2019. In other reports, we also cited an 82% -- an 84.2% improvement in download speeds as well as a 20.6% improvement in latency. In addition to our 4G/LTE upgrades, we are also strategically rolling out 5G in select cities across the country. To date, we have expanded 5G coverage to 11 cities within Metro Manila, and the service is now available to all our mobile subscribers. The third strategy is to fast-track the rollout of Fiber to the Home. As more and more Filipinos turn to the Internet not just for entertainment, but also for work and learning, the demand for data connectivity and capacity to a home continues to grow. To meet those needs, we are putting renewed focus on rolling out Fiber to the Home. As of September 2020, we have spent 189% more CapEx on our fiber rollout versus the full year 2019 spend. This translated to a 158% increase in fiber capacity lines versus fiscal year '19. With the pandemic, transforming data consumption patterns and consumer behavior, there is a need to accelerate our rollout even further, prompting us to significantly raise our rollout targets for this year, 3x more than our actual rollout in 2019. In addition to network upgrades, we also continue to provide relevant products and services to serve the changing needs of our customers. To complement our 5G rollout, Globe Postpaid started offering 5G devices at discounted prices. We've also been expanding our e-learning solutions in support of the country's online learning initiatives. Globe Prepaid now offers data promos tailor for students, which include 5G open access data plus additional allocation for GoLEARN apps like Wikipedia, Google Suites, YouTube Learning, Canva and more. In October, Globe won the bid for Quezon City's home-based learning program, which supports over 460,000 students from 160 Quezon City public schools. We also recently deployed the KonekTayo School Bus WiFi program, a service which deploys school buses with special antennas that will broadcast WiFi signal from 7:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. across select covered areas in Manila City for as low as PHP 15 per day. Before I end my report, I would also like to bring attention to Mynt, which has been forging ahead towards its goal of providing finance for all. According to a report by a third-party source App Annie, GCash, Mynt's fintech app, has reigned as the #1 finance app in terms of total downloads and active users, consistently dominating for all the months of 2020. As a matter of fact, at the end of September, GCash has more active users in the country than global lifestyle apps such as Netflix, Twitter, Grab and TikTok as well as being miles ahead of other wallet platforms. With over 10 million app downloads over the last 9 months, GCash is currently leading the revolution towards a cashless lifestyle that has become essential as we navigate through the new normal. With the pandemic accelerating, the shift towards the digital landscape, GCash aims not only to be a mobile wallet but a lifestyle app, offering essential service for every Filipino. Aside from payments, users can also buy load, get insured, save money, borrow money, buy game credits and even play games. In September this year, GCash launched GInsure in partnership with Singlife, which offers medical coverage for Dengue and COVID-19 for as low as PHP 300 a year, providing convenience and relevance to users today. Furthermore, GCash also recently launched [ GLight, ] where users can now find and interact with their favorite brands to play, shop and eat via mini programs embedded inside the app. With GCash, [ GLight ] can effectively help businesses create their digital presence without having them to build their own app and immediately accelerate adoption across GCash's over 26 million registered user base. Enabled by a financial scalable technology, GCash continuously strives to develop its platform to empower the Filipinos and the nation. With this, I end my portion of the presentation. I will now hand over the floor to Rizza.

Rosemarie Maniego-Eala

executive
#3

Thank you, Ernest, and welcome again to everyone on the call. Let me now go through the details of our financial results for the first 9 months of the year. For the third quarter, service revenues came in at PHP 36.7 billion, 3% higher than the PHP 35.5 billion in the second quarter. We are pleased to note that we are seeing some revenue recovery in the third quarter consistent with the easing of enhanced community quarantine, or ECQ, in most parts of the country. OpEx and subsidy for the third quarter grew 7%, leaving EBITDA flat for the third quarter. And net income, however, posted a 10% decline quarter-on-quarter at PHP 4.4 billion, mostly due to higher nonoperating expenses. Recall though that in the second quarter, we booked a onetime gain related to a loan revaluation, making the period's increase in nonoperating expenses more pronounced. Core net income, which excludes nonrecurring items, remained flat for the period at PHP 4.5 billion. On a year-to-date basis, service revenues registered at PHP 109.1 billion, a 1% dip versus the previous year, similar to our first half results. We are happy to note that we've been able to keep the negative impact of the pandemic on our revenues to a minimum. At PHP 56.3 billion, 9-month EBITDA declined by 3% year-on-year bringing EBITDA margin to 52%, in line with our revised guidance of low 50s. Net income, likewise, took a hit, declining by 10% year-on-year to PHP 15.9 billion. Moving on to OpEx. We were able to keep our 9-month expenses relatively flat versus last year. Interconnect charges continued to decline year-on-year due to the non-imposition of interconnect charges on mobile voice and SMS transactions that began this year. Staff costs grew slightly by 1% year-on-year, mostly due to higher head count versus the same period last year, while quarter-on-quarter, there was a 4% decline. Subsidy costs saw a sharp increase year-on-year and quarter-on-quarter driven by the higher home prepaid WiFi acquisitions, while marketing and other advertising expenses were almost at par with last year, declining slightly by 1% from less marketing campaigns and promos. Network costs also rose year-on-year driven by higher repairs and maintenance charges due to increased preventive maintenance and communication equipment. Cushioning the growing network costs were lower lease charges and administrative expenses from a decline in interconnection and colocation facilities, lower electricity and power gen consumption, and significantly less travel and transportation expenses. On a quarter-on-quarter basis, network costs also grew as we see lease and utility charges picking up due to an increase in facilities and cell sites following the easing of ECQ in 2020. Provisions registered a 49% increase year-on-year mostly due to the onetime higher trade provisions booked last quarter. For the same reason, we see a significant decline in provisions in the third quarter. Service and other expenses posted a decline year-on-year from lower managed services, customer contract services and subscriber line installation services, and higher other income items versus last year. Sequentially, coming off the lockdown in the second quarter, service expenses are picking back up. Other expenses like spectrum fees also rose due to additional activated network sites during the period. Below EBITDA, depreciation charges continue to grow year-on-year and quarter-on-quarter from sustained CapEx investments. Nonoperating expenses declined year-on-year as this included a PHP 375 million onetime gain on a loan reevaluation. Sequentially, nonoperating expenses decreased for the same reason, plus slightly higher interest charges for the period. CapEx spend for the first 9 months came in at PHP 33.4 billion, with 81% spent for data-related requirements. With the majority of the country already in general community quarantine and the enactment of Bayanihan 2, which temporarily suspend some of the permits and clearances required for the construction of telco infrastructure, we have been ramping up our network build-out to respond to the clamor for better and faster Internet services. We are on track to spend the PHP 50 billion previously guided. And if time permits, even go above that as we try to catch up to our original targets for the year. Onto gearing, our balance sheet remains healthy with ample liquidity to service our current obligations. Debt service coverage ratio improved to 3.45x versus 3x. And despite a 22% increase in debt level to close to PHP 166 billion, we are still comfortably within our covenant ratios. Gross debt-to-equity is at 1.9x, while net debt-to-equity is at 1.5x. Gross debt-to-EBITDA is at 2.3x, while net debt-to-EBITDA is at 1.8x. As Ernest earlier mentioned, our Board of Directors recently approved the fourth quarterly cash dividend of PHP 31.33 per share. This is payable on December 3, 2020, to stockholders on record as of November 17. This concludes my report. We now open the floor for questions. Thank you.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#4

Thank you, Rizza, for your presentation. Before we begin with the question-and-answer session, we would also like to acknowledge the presence of the following Globe Group executives who will be joining as panelists. They are Ms. Issa Cabreira, Globe Consumer Business Group Head; Ms. Martha Sazon, President and CEO of Mynt; and Ms. Yolly Crisanto, Chief Sustainability Officer, Senior Vice President and Head of Corporate Communications Group. In addition to the management panel, Mr. Cu may direct some of the questions to the panelists.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#5

We'll now begin the question-and-answer session. Our first set of questions come from [ Janelle Bunagan ] of UBS. First question is, could you share some indications on trends for October in terms of wireless broadband? I.e., is it still elevated versus normal levels? And mobile top-ups, i.e., is it still growing?

Ernest Cu

executive
#6

Well, I think the fourth quarter is showing consistency with the statement we made that as the economy opens, Globe's subscribers tend to top-up more, use the mobile service more. So yes, indeed, there is a pickup that we are seeing, again, just like we did see in the third quarter, replicating itself in the fourth quarter. Wireless broadband revenues, particularly in the prepaid area, have continued to grow. Momentum has been stable, and top-ups are also increasing slightly. Because they are at a very high level to where we were beginning last year -- compared to last year.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#7

Thank you for that, Ernest. The second question is, what is Globe's current 4G coverage in terms of phones? And how is it growing?

Rosemarie Maniego-Eala

executive
#8

Maybe, Ernest, I can take that.

Ernest Cu

executive
#9

Go ahead, Rizza.

Rosemarie Maniego-Eala

executive
#10

Smartphones in our network registered at about 80%. And 70% of that will be on 4G, and that's an 11% growth from last year.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#11

Thank you, Rizza. The third question is any thoughts on Dito having completed their base station targets and recent announcement that they will be ready for a commercial launch by next year.

Ernest Cu

executive
#12

Well, I think it's consistent with the messaging that they've been putting out. One, I guess, as I've said in many of briefing, let's see what happens when they actually go commercial. The telco business is more than just a network, as we know, there's a bit of -- quite a bit of customer experience, distribution that also has to be built out. So I -- just like the rest of you, Globe is waiting and seeing how things evolve with them. And all I can say is we're ready for competition.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#13

Okay. Thanks for that. The next question comes from Gio de la Rosa of Regis Partners. What prompted the increase in the fourth quarter dividend payout?

Ernest Cu

executive
#14

Rizza, do you want to cover that?

Rosemarie Maniego-Eala

executive
#15

Okay. If you recall, our payout ratio in the first quarter was at 64%. And after the first few months of the pandemic, we decided to pull back the payback (sic) [ payout ] ratio to 60% just to conserve cash. But we did say that we would look towards the end of the year with a look back. And given the performance of the company, we had recommended to the Board to move the payout ratio back to 64%. So if you make the calculation, payout ratio is at 64% of last year's core net income.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#16

Thank you, Rizza. The next set of questions come from [ Sevi Sevidal ] of BPI Securities. The first question is in light of the 40% figure of targeted home broadband customers upgraded to high-speed networks, could you talk about Globe's strategy of upselling in the broadband space in the near term. Would it be upgrading current value -- or current fixed wireless plans to higher-value packages? Or will we see an accelerated pace of migrating fixed wireless subscribers to fiber. And also any metrics you could share from year-to-date 2020?

Ernest Cu

executive
#17

Well, let me say that we don't have metrics yet. But there is an effort, quite aggressive one, to migrate consumers that are on the fixed wireless program who opt for higher speeds and higher capacity to move to fiber plans. We are cognizant and very aware of how consumers' needs a change in their homes. I think I mentioned in my talk that the home is not just a home anymore. Today, it's an office, it's a classroom and with probably with multiple students and multiple working individuals. So their needs have actually changed and actually accelerated in terms of the need for higher speed and higher capacity. Hence, I think the product for the future will be biased towards Fiber to the Home, which we have stated in this briefing, that we will be aggressively rolling out, and already are aggressively rolling out and we'll see that happening this year and into the next year as well.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#18

Okay. Thank you, Ernest. The next question is, what are you seeing on the ground from the regulator and the towercos in terms of the common tower policy? Could you provide more color in terms of the trajectory of closing commercial agreements with towercos and the rollout of common towers?

Ernest Cu

executive
#19

Maybe Froi can comment first on the regulatory side. And then, Carlo, if I can call on you to give some color on discussions with towercos.

Vicente Castelo

executive
#20

Yes. So thank you, Ernest. The IRR on the towerco has not yet been really been finalized in the sense that there are still many things that the DICT has to resolve. But just the same, I guess, just to -- for Ernest to pick up the topics that we are right now in conversation with several tower companies to answer to the requirement of this government. But just the same, we shall be complying with the rules and regulations of the DICT once it comes in its final form.

Ernest Cu

executive
#21

Carlo?

Carlo Puno

executive
#22

Yes, sir. On the commercial front, we are close with a handful of [ floor ] companies. But you have to remember that the negotiations are on a document that's [ 180 ] pages long. So it's not as simple. We have closed several commercial agreements, but the master lease agreement is something that we are working on. I think from a -- on the ground perspective, Globe is still the one pushing on this tower initiative. And hopefully, we are able to close some of these documents within the next few weeks.

Ernest Cu

executive
#23

I guess just to close out and kind of confirm the stand on this particular issue. Globe has always been a supporter of the common tower initiative. We feel it's a good way to defray the large CapEx budgets that telcos, in the Philippines, have to spend and allocate. So the more common towers that are built and allow us to co-locate, I think, is good for us. And so we're just hoping that the Bayanihan 2 Act as well will assist common tower companies and finally building the towers in the right places at the right time. And obviously, the commercials have to be right for Globe as well.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#24

Okay. Thanks, Ernest, for that. Next question comes also from [ Sevi Sevidal ]. It's related also to number 2, could you share with us what you're seeing on the ground in terms of the improvement in the release of permits for constructing cell sites in light of the Bayanihan and other government initiatives. Are you seeing meaningful improvement at the LGU level?

Ernest Cu

executive
#25

The answer is yes. Quite a bit of improvement. We mentioned that we had acquired close to 715, if not more, by now, permits over a very short period of time since the release of the Bayanihan 2 Act. That's not saying, though, that there are still LGUs out there that are kind of saying that they may not, at this moment, apply to them and so on. But I guess after some realization and some support from ARTA themselves, we've been able to convince a lot of these LGUs to allow us to build and provide us the permits within a reasonable amount of fact. Bottom line is, yes, it's been a very helpful act and something we thank the government for.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#26

Okay. Thank you, Ernest. The next set of questions come from Arthur Pineda of Citi. The first question is, what is driving the big jump in marketing expenses into 3Q '20? And should this level sustain into 4Q '20? This appears to have offset the benefit of declining provisions in 3Q '20.

Ernest Cu

executive
#27

Issa, would you like to cover that or would Albert like to cover that?

Issa Cabreira

executive
#28

Ernest, you want...

Ernest Cu

executive
#29

Or...

Alberto de Larrazabal

executive
#30

Let me...

Ernest Cu

executive
#31

Yes, Albert. Why don't you...

Alberto de Larrazabal

executive
#32

So there was a series of product introductions that we did in the latter part of the second quarter to support what we were seeing in terms of lockdown. So a lot of new SKUs to address people's needs. And so there was a heightened need for communications into the marketplace around a lot of those particular SKUs, getting people to understand what was available. And so that was a premeditated effort to increase the level of awareness in the marketplace, specifically targeted for the third quarter.

Issa Cabreira

executive
#33

And in addition, Albert, if I may, we've also made sure that we've driven our customers, especially our prepaid customers towards the digital channels. Specifically GCash, our GCash app and our GlobeOne app, seeing a significant increase in selling prepaid loans. So providing that accessibility and guiding our customers through the journey towards moving from brick-and-mortar towards using our digital channels was also a big investment for us during the period. And hopefully, that continues on. As we move through the opening up of mobility and the economy in the coming quarters.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#34

Okay. Thank you, Albert and Issa. The next question from Citi is, given that Globe's network is very Huawei-centric, what are the contingencies in place if Huawei is not able to deliver LTE-A and 5G equipment into 2021 if they run out of relevant chipsets. What are the risks of network upgrade disruptions and increased network spending to compensate. Thank you.

Ernest Cu

executive
#35

The risk of disruption today is very, very low. We've done significant due diligence with both local management and headquarters staff of Huawei with respect to the supplies that they have committed to Globe. We have been reassured multiple times and have seen evidence that majority of the equipment we use is free from U.S. components as one, manufactured chips. And the chips that do rely on U.S. technology can be replicated in China with SMIC and others, particularly because they're not dependent on the 5- and 7-nanometer chips that are today in danger and only being manufactured by companies like TSMC. The smaller format chips or the newer chips of 5- and 7-nanometer, I think, are more critical to handsets than they are to base station equipment, which are much larger and can take the chips that are also larger in footprint. There is a slight penalty in power consumption. But we think it's not going to make that much of a difference considering that the equipment starting off already has very efficient power usage, as we've seen in the past. So for 2021, we do believe that our suppliers are secure. And again, hopeful that by that time, they would have found a solution to the manufacturing problem that they have today.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#36

Thank you, Ernest. The next set of questions come from Kervin Sisayan of Macquarie. The first question relates to subsidy and marketing costs, which I believe was already answered earlier. The second question is mobile data revenue was up only 1% quarter-on-quarter, slower than voice in SMS. Can you discuss further what happened from ECQ to GCQ why mobile data revenue growth was slower versus SMS and voice?

Issa Cabreira

executive
#37

Let me take that, Jomari. This, I believe, is a function of the additional allocation we provided to the customers during the ECQ period, as Albert mentioned earlier. And secondly, the impact of the new portfolio, which is Go and the Globe Go+ both Globe Prepaid and our TM portfolio, specific to easy Doble Data, which clearly naturally align to the needs, the increasing needs of the market today. So that's what's -- that's the explanation for that specifically. It's us giving more to the customers for the needs they have today.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#38

Okay. Thank you, Issa. The last question from Macquarie, it relates to home broadband. Question is, home broadband subs were up significantly quarter-on-quarter. However, we are not seeing the same growth on the revenue side. Any reason for this? Or is there just a delay?

Ernest Cu

executive
#39

Albert or Rizza -- I mean Rizza or Issa. Any comment on that?

Issa Cabreira

executive
#40

So it's very similar, Ernest, actually to the mobile case because as we move into so with the current allocations, customers are actually maximizing the current allocations that we give, us having given a lot. However, what's really working for us, it's driving a lot of acquisitions and people coming into the base and choosing Globe over the other brands. So they are optimizing the allocation because they are now home, Ernest, and to our investor partners here. What used to be not consumed is now getting fully consumed. Therefore, revenues are slower than the acquisition or the customer base growth. But nonetheless, the customer base growth is just continuing on. And we expect it to continue growing in the coming quarters, actually.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#41

Okay. Thank you very much for that. The next question comes from German de la Paz of Abacus Securities. Is GLOMO a Globe initiative? Or is it a distinct or unaffiliated corporate entity?

Ernest Cu

executive
#42

Well, GLOMO is a virtual brand initiated by a group of young people in Globe, not too dissimilar from the GOMO offerings that we've seen from out of Singapore, now in AIS in Thailand, by.U in Indonesia. This is a virtual brand that it's a fully digital brand that has, I think, been able to transfer a lot of the benefits of -- to subscribers without having the need to spend for billing statements, voice customer care, brick-and-mortar type of stores and so on. And so it is with a sponsorship of Globe. But it is still independent in terms of the teams that have been brought upon -- have been brought together to be able to develop the brand.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#43

Thank you, Ernest. The next set of questions come from John Te of Bank of Asia and America Merrill Lynch (sic) [ Bank of America Merrill Lynch ]. First question is you previously cited the Globe needs to -- get 28 or so permits for 1 single tower with the process taking around 8 months. How many permits and months are now required for a site to be built? And which processes that previously took longer are now streamlined. Conversely, why hasn't the CapEx numbers spiked yet?

Ernest Cu

executive
#44

Well, I answer the last question first. I mean it takes time, despite the fact that there are less permits now, which I'll have, Froi, answer. It just takes time to build up momentum once again. It's not instant coffee that you turn the switch on and suddenly, you're building sites left and right. We have to get scale up to the supply chain, scale up into the contractor base, the number of skilled workers that are out there. Plus, of course, there's still the headwinds of the pandemic. People are still getting infected and waiting for 2 weeks to clear out the infections. But we do fully expect that you will see an increase in the CapEx number going to the fourth quarter. Froi, maybe give some color on the permit situation?

Vicente Castelo

executive
#45

Yes. Before the pandemic or before the Bayanihan Act 2, we were on the average of 26 to 29 permits to secure just to build 1 cell site. But now under Bayanihan Act 2, we only need one in general, that's the construction permit. Except when the location is within the 3-kilometer radius of the airport and the tower is in 50-meter height. And in subdivisions where we need the social acceptance of the homeowners by virtue of the Magna Carta of the homeowners association. But just the same, all of this should take 7 days per approval. So this is a big improvement compared to what we had before. It took us about 9 months just to have -- secure all the permits. Now as a rule, there -- it will only require 7 days. But as mentioned earlier by Ernest, there are certain LGUs who still resist -- or who still have an idea of how to put more permits as required by the Bayanihan Act 2. But this is being now addressed by the Anti-Red Tape Authority and the -- ARTA, the Anti-Red Tape Authority has been very helpful and very proactive in dealing with these LGUs.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#46

Thank you, Ernest and Froi. The next question is -- actually, it's a related question. How does management think about future tower builds now being mandated by the DICT to be shared, particularly on site planning and budgeting?

Ernest Cu

executive
#47

So I don't think there's any mandate at this stage, right, if I'm not mistaken. But I think as I -- I want to reiterate that Globe is actually looking forward to having these tower companies as partners, as Carlo mentioned, there's numerous discussions going on. Just like any business, though, commercial terms have to be right. The locations of these tower companies in terms of their -- where they build their towers has to be correct. And of course, the specifications in the towers have to be in line with the needs. We just went through a massive typhoon, as you can see, and building towers to the standards required, I think it's going to be very, very important and not post a danger to the public and the homes nearby.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#48

Okay. Thank you, Ernest. The third and last question is, actually, it also relates to GLOMO's launched in the Philippines, which I think you answered already earlier.

Ernest Cu

executive
#49

Okay.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#50

The next set of questions come from Varun Ahuja of Crédit Suisse. Globe has been losing market share to competition for the last 9 months. What do you think is the reason for the same? And what are your plans to change the course?

Ernest Cu

executive
#51

Well, the market share loss, I think has been predicated upon the significant improvement in the network of our competition and the large gap in terms of speed. We have narrowed the gap significantly, not only in terms of speed but also in latency. The competition is really leveraging the advantage they have in terms of assets with regard to number of cell sites, spectrum resources and all. And Globe is building faster than ever to catch up and I think the signs are quite good given the validation we received from companies like Opensignal and Ookla, that the services of Globe has improved significantly over the past year, and will continue to do so. We do believe that, that, coupled with the right kind of offers brought about by our consumer team led by Issa, bring to market, I think, will help to bring back, I think, the growth that we have been having over the past few years.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#52

Thank you, Ernest. The next question is, mobile data traffic has increased significantly both year-on-year and quarter-on-quarter but mobile revenues declined both year-on-year and quarter-on-quarter and lacking data growth. What is the plan to monetize the data further as in if the top-up activity is lower due to COVID-19 then data traffic growth should also have been less.

Ernest Cu

executive
#53

Well, it is true. Very good question. But you have to go back and recall that early part of the pandemic, the telcos -- they doubled and increased data allocation for its promo packages, particularly in prepaid. And this has -- those promos are still in market, right? And what has to happen is that the consumers, particularly that of Globe, which we remind again, have a tendency to own more home broadband services than our competition's space. We'll have to probably grow their usage out. And either that or go back to the workforce. Go back to going out of their homes before top-ups start to come up. And I think we saw that happen. There was only 1 week of lockdown in third quarter and it helped us in maybe 1 or 2 weeks. And then, as I said earlier, that we are seeing signs again of another increase happening in the fourth quarter as the economy opens up, more people go back to work. And more people are commuting once again. So all this, I think, is great for the business as we move into the fourth quarter.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#54

Thank you, Ernest. The next question relates to the fourth quarter dividend. The question is, why did you increase the dividend given the investments into the network and potential competition increase from Dito?

Rosemarie Maniego-Eala

executive
#55

I think, Jomari, we answered that already, wherein in the first quarter of this year, our payout ratio was at 64%, which we reduced to 60% at the start of the pandemic. The commitment to do check our financials towards the end of the year. And given that our revenues and cash flows were stronger in the third quarter, management recommended to the Board, which the Board approved, to revert back to the 64% payout ratio.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#56

Okay. Thank you very much, Rizza. The fourth and last question from Crédit Suisse is, what is your vision for fixed broadband segment? It looks like Converge has taken a material lead in the segment. Do you think you will be able to catch up with them in terms of network coverage?

Ernest Cu

executive
#57

Well, we are actually admittedly late in the game in fixed. We played a hand in -- our hand in wireless in the early part of this year and most of the last 5 to 6 years. We did not anticipate, obviously, the sudden change in consumer behavior with the home becoming a very intensive place for data use. And so we've shifted, as I mentioned into my talk, our focus now to building FTTH. We certainly will not leave that market wide open to our competitors. We will be playing and competing actively in that market. You will see us more active there in terms of not only in marketing, but also in a very aggressive builds. We will build more in this quarter alone that we have built, I think, in all of 2019 and maybe even 2018. And we will see an even larger build coming from us in 2020.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#58

Thank you, Ernest. The next set of questions come from Ranjan Sharma of JPMorgan. What was the reason for the decline in wireless customers in 3Q '20?

Ernest Cu

executive
#59

Albert or Issa, can you answer the question?

Alberto de Larrazabal

executive
#60

Yes. Part of it was the inability to -- due to lockdown, to be able to continue the campaigns on the ground for acquisitions. We have since then been beefing up the online channels to continue to support the needs. As the market did open up, we saw people coming back into the stores to be able to continue acquiring their new plans. So it was really a function of the inability to go out and acquire new subs compared to pre-ECQ.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#61

Thank you, Albert. The next question is regarding the PHP 300 million budget for Fiber to the Home, how many homes passed or ports will that cover? How do you see the competitive environment from Converge following the IPO?

Ernest Cu

executive
#62

Gil, do you want to characterize the build? And how many homes and ports do you think that will build, and I'll speak about your Converge after.

Gil Genio

executive
#63

Yes. So if you think about PHP 300 million, that probably will get us to anywhere between 1.1 million to 1.5 million FTTH considering overall average cost to roll on FTTH. As Ernest explained also earlier, it's geared towards multiple fronts. Fiber, where we don't have fiber today, migration of our existing legacy copper into fiber. As well as migrating LTE home postpaid users that have the most need for critical home broadband infrastructure also to FTTH. So across all of those is going to be where we will play.

Ernest Cu

executive
#64

Yes. In terms of Converge, they did do a very good job and took the early risk of being a player in the fiber market before the market was even mature. When the country and most of the base was only looking for very low speeds, they were already offering high speeds, and that paid off with the pandemic. But I guess the difference will be that the 2 incumbents are now really heavily focused in the market as well. Previously, we were very much focused on the wireless business. We viewed the home market, particularly FTTH, as a secondary market, but I think given the importance of the home these days and the call out from our customers that they need higher speeds and better fiber coverage everywhere, so they can avail of plans, I think it will be a much more competitive market going into the fourth quarter of this year and onwards, particularly in 2021, once Globe has lined up its resources and has taken its build to a higher momentum to a higher level of completion. So you'll see us in the market more. And I think we're going to give Converge a good run for its money.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#65

Thank you, Ernest. The next 2 questions come from David Nuss of Toccata Capital. It's regarding the fintech space, what is the market value of Mynt today. Globe's investment in Mynt is carried at a value of PHP 718 million, which is less than the additional capital contributed that Globe -- capital contributed -- that Globe contributed in 2020.

Ernest Cu

executive
#66

Well, there are quite -- I -- well, I'm going to put it this way, I'm going to tell you what the value Mynt is today. But there are a lot of comparables. If you want to look at announcements coming from other investments made in the region, you can surmise and make your estimates. One could use number of multi-active users as one measure. One could use gross transaction value, number of subscribers or customers of which Mynt has 26 million. There's many metrics out there. Once we do a round, then we will be in a position once again to ascertain the through value of Mynt. But I do agree with you. I do think that the value of Mynt is not yet in the Globe market cap. And once we do and complete a round -- and if ever we do external financing for that, I think it will be a great validation for the true value of the company.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#67

Thank you, Ernest. The second question is, in the light of the IPO, are you considering updating how you value your investment in Mynt?

Ernest Cu

executive
#68

I think it's the same question asked differently. And I'd like to defer that answer to when a funding round does complete.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#69

Okay. Thank you, Ernest. Ladies and gentlemen, there are currently no questions in queue. [Operator Instructions] Thank you.

Alberto de Larrazabal

executive
#70

Ernest, I don't think there are any other questions. I think we can close the briefing.

Ernest Cu

executive
#71

All right. Thank you, everyone. Thank you for attending our third quarter briefing. We can now all go back to watching the results of the U.S. elections, which is, I think, a very exciting one. Good morning, everyone.

Rosemarie Maniego-Eala

executive
#72

Good morning, everyone.

Alberto de Larrazabal

executive
#73

Thank you. Thank you, all.

Jose Mari Fajardo

executive
#74

Thank you for joining us. Okay. This includes the third quarter 2020 analyst briefing of Globe Telecom. We should thank again those who joined us on the call today. We hope you'll join us again for our fourth quarter 2020 analyst briefing in early February in 2021. Again, we wish everyone a pleasant Globe morning. Thank you.

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