Goodman Group (GMG) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
August 11, 2021
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by, and welcome to the Goodman Group FY '21 Results Call. [Operator Instructions] And just please be advised that today's call is being recorded. But without further ado, I'll hand the conference over to our first speaker for today, Mr. Greg Goodman. Thank you, and please go ahead, Greg.
Gregory Goodman
executiveThank you very much, Miles. Good morning, and welcome, everybody. I hope you're keeping safe and well in these very uncertain times. Nick Vrondas is with me on the call. Throughout the year, Goodman has remained flexible and adapted to the changing conditions, enabling our business to deliver strong growth with the health and well-being of our people remaining a high priority. We have continued to build on previous years with operating profit of $1.22 billion, up 15% on last year. The result highlights strong growth in our development workbook, high demand from our customers and positive revaluation outcomes. Operating earnings per security for the year of $0.656 is up 14.1% on the previous year, and statutory profit came in at $2.3 billion when you include primarily the revaluations. Goodman is well capitalized with gearing at 6.8% and available liquidity of $1.9 billion, including $900 million in cash. Our partnerships, importantly, also have $18 billion available for future investment. Market conditions are strong in our sector. Continued growth in the digital economy is giving our customers confidence to grow. Our global portfolio is well positioned to facilitate their needs. Our development workbook increased during the year to $10.6 billion. Our global work in progress is spread across 73 projects and 12 countries. And importantly, the development program has very strong margins. The depth of demand is leading to a high level of pre-commitments with work in progress 70% leased and an average lease term of 14 years. Projects completed in FY '21 were almost 100% leased. Development undertaken on behalf of our partners remains consistent with prior periods at 81%. The activity is following through the partnership's performance and also the assets under management. Assets grew solidly through the year and now stand at $58 billion. Our partnerships delivered average returns of 18% with solid income and capital growth. With strong visibility into the development activity, we're forecasting growth in assets under management this year to an excess of $65 billion which, in turn, will be reflected in revenues in future periods. Regeneration of our existing brownfield sites is an important part of our global sustainability strategy given their lower impact on the environment. Developing brownfield sites decreases waste, preserves greenfields land and generates jobs where people live, reducing commute times and uses existing infrastructure. These sites represent more than half of our development land and will provide us with more development opportunities in future periods. One of our most important areas of focus this year has been to integrate ESG initiatives into everything we do at Goodman. We are focused on our long-term sustainable approach that leads to positive economic environment and social outcomes for our business as stakeholders and the world more broadly. This year, our global operations achieved carbon neutrality 4 years ahead of our target. And looking ahead, we're working with our contractors and customers to decarbonize our developments, a critical part of the solution to emissions reduction. We've established a framework to calculate the embodied emissions from our development projects globally, which will allow us to reduce and offset this in the future. And finally, throughout the year, Goodman Foundation continued its efforts to help its partners support their communities around the world. Now I'll pass over to Nick for a few comments.
Nick Vrondas
executiveThanks, Greg. Let's turn now to Slide 10 for the income statement. We'll first cover the operating profit and then discuss the nonoperating items at the bottom of the table. Overall, though, FX movements reduced the translated value of our foreign income when compared to last year. But this was collectively offset by the $58 million benefit we got in the net borrowing costs. We'll go through the individual impacts along the way but, in aggregate, it's worth noting that operating EBIT was up by nearly $140 million on a constant currency basis. Looking specifically now at the movement in investment earnings. The average volume of directly owned assets is largely unchanged over the past 2 years. So our NPI has been stable. Investment income from our cornerstone interest in partnerships on the other hand, was down of $15 million over last year. And this was exactly equal to the FX translation effect. Underlying rental increases resulted in $13 million of additional income to the group, which equates to like-for-like NPI growth of 3.2%. The majority of this growth came through fixed increases, but we expect to see ongoing support from market rental increases in the locations we operate in. This was offset by the impact of capital transactions, which resulted in a $13 million reduction in net income. Some of this was due to the positioning of assets for redevelopment, which meant that we've made them intentionally vacant. The timing of disposals relative to acquisitions and development completions was also a factor. It's worth pointing out that the disposal program has led to some return of capital to ourselves and our partners. This slows the rate of income growth because we've reduced the amount of equity invested, and what equity we are investing is mainly going into development activity. Another significant driver in recent years was that the net initial yield on the assets sold has been greater than that of the assets acquired. We continue to focus our portfolios in what we believe will be the better properties within our chosen markets, and that this will deliver rental growth and value creation opportunities to enhance total return in the long run. With ongoing investment and growth in like-for-like NPI, we expect our cornerstone investment earnings to increase over time. Management revenue was down $52 million this year, but $24 million of that was driven by the FX translation effect. And our net investments have been relatively stable. But it was the strong valuation gains over the year, especially in the second half, that was the biggest contributor to AUM growth. As a result, base management revenues grew by $20 million over the year. Performance fees and transactional revenues contributed $149 million this year, which is down by $48 million over last year. Performance and activity levels in the partnerships continue to be strong. So this reduction has just been the result of the timing of revenue recognition. We expect that fee revenue as a percentage of stabilized assets under management will average about 1% over time, which is in line with this FY '21 result. Given the prospects for growth in AUM and the ongoing performance of the partnerships, we believe that there's scope for growth in management revenue. Realized development income for the group was nearly $720 million for the year. This is up by over $140 million year-on-year or $175 million on a constant currency basis. In addition, nearly $400 million of development gains are recognized by the group as its share of revaluations. As usual, the revaluation income sits outside of the operating profit. It does, however, demonstrate that we create significant value through the process of site identification, achieving planning outcomes and project delivery and that we've continued to execute these core functions very well. Another feature of the developments that we've been highlighting recently is the impact of their larger scale and, therefore, longer time frames. This has resulted in the extension of the development period for the projects in WIP to an average of just over 19 months. That means our annualized production rate from WIP has increased from just under $4 billion a couple of years ago to $6.6 billion as at June 2021. This increase in the volume of work is what's driving the revenue growth and providing enhanced visibility into our development earnings going forward. We remain enthusiastic about the demand prospects for our developments. So we expect to maintain strong activity levels in FY '22, which bodes well for future revenue. As for share at the half year result, our borrowing costs were down $55 million on last year. The stronger Australian dollar over the course of the year gave us a $58 million benefit, which offsets the impact of the translation of the other line items we discussed earlier. This outcome is consistent with our hedging strategy that's been in place for a very long time now. In some years, it's up. And other years, it's down. In FY '20, for example, we had a $30 million cost, which offset the translation benefits relating to the other line items in that year. The other main driver of this reduction in the expense was the repayment of high-cost debt that has been occurring over the past couple of years. Partially offsetting that benefit is the reduction in interest earned from our cash on deposit and a reduction in capitalized interest. Our net weighted average cost of debt is currently around 1%. So borrowing costs will remain low in the near term, and any volatility probably come from FX movements. Our tax expense was down due to the changing nature and origin of our income. As far as the nonoperating items are concerned, we saw our share of the total revaluation gains of $5.8 billion increased to $1.3 billion this year. Cap rate compression was again prevalent as were rental increases. As you can see, development valuation gains also represented a significant portion of the total valuation result. With the strength of demand for our assets and the contributions from development likely to continue, we believe that valuation growth will persist in the near term. As usual, we exclude the accounting cost of the employee long-term incentive plan, but we include the tested units in the denominator when calculating our operating EPS. The main drivers of the movement in the share-based payments and accounting costs has been the volatility in the security price and other valuation parameters. And that's another reason why we treat this item the way we do. A few remarks now regarding the balance sheet on Slide 11. The strong Australian dollar reduced the translated value of our net foreign assets and liabilities by $0.3 billion. This was partially offset by the derivative mark-to-market gains flowing through the statutory income statement. The increase in the wholly owned assets portfolio was partially driven by valuation gain, but there has been $160 million added through net investment and transfers of assets upon completion of their development. Our share of the stabilized assets within the partnerships were up by around $860 million. Within that, our share of the valuation gain was $1.1 billion, of which about $160 million came from developments. Net investments and development completions added around $100 million. And offsetting this, we had the FX translation and mark-to-market impact of minus $300 million. Our development holdings are up by $500 million overall. This is net of disposals and completions. We continue to fund the growing workbook across the group and the partnership. Breaking this down, we added $300 million through our share of the partnerships and $100 million to our direct holdings. And then there were some noncash movements. There was a minus $100 million impact from the FX translation and around $200 million of valuation gains for properties that are still under development. Just pausing on that point, that includes $95 million associated with properties that are subject to conditional contracts for sale. You'll find the specific disclosure in the audited financial statements. It's occurred because the development process straddles more than one financial year. With the lengthening time frames of our projects, the situation is likely to become more frequent. If and when those sales are completed, we'll reallocate those valuation gains to the operating profit calculation in future periods. They'll be offset against future valuation results, so we don't double-count them. This replicates the situation that arises when properties are sold prior to their revaluation, which is what usually happens with quicker projects. Importantly, it remains consistent with the principle that operating profit is backed by cash. In terms of the direction of our working capital allocation going forward, there are 2 things to consider. Firstly, development cash flow in any given period can vary depending on the point in the program we're at relative to the settlement process for new projects versus the older ones. And secondly, in terms of trend, we expect that working capital allocation to developments will continue to move up in the near term in light of the increased activity levels. Given the confidence we have in the assets and the returns we're generating, we believe this to be a good use of funds at this time. Our cash holdings decreased by around $860 million over the year. This was mainly due to the repayment of around $700 million of loans and U.S. dollar bonds. We also utilized some of our cash to fund investments into our developments and equity in the partnerships. But in the main, they were funded by retained earnings. This is consistent with the design of our long-term capital management plans and the distribution policy. There was also a minus $100 million impact from FX on our foreign-denominated cash holdings. As far as the borrowings are concerned, FX also had a minus $100 million effect because it's all denominated in foreign currencies. This leaves us in a position where we're down to $2 billion of interest-bearing liabilities. As a result, our net interest-bearing liabilities, net of cash, sits at just over $1.1 billion. That's a good point to turn to Slide 12. Consistent with our financial risk management objectives, we'll continue to operate our gearing within a range of 0% to 25% with the level to be set with reference to the mix of earnings and activity levels. In light of the growth in development activities, we aim to maintain leverage in the bottom half of this range for the foreseeable future. Gearing is currently lower than it was this time last year. Please note that we're expecting to increase development capital allocation near term, and there are less asset sales from partnerships foreseen. So gearing is likely to be a little higher over the coming year. This is why our distribution per security is expected to remain at $0.30 for FY '22, which will enable us to sustainably fund our proportionate interest in the assets we're developing for the long term. That's all for me. Thanks, Greg.
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. Thanks, Nick. Now in closing, after a robust year in FY '21, we expect current development activity and strong returns to continue for the group. We anticipate the impact of COVID to be with us during FY '22 year, and our adaptability and agility is going to be important. We've adjusted to this environment very well, and it gives us confidence moving into this new financial year that we've already adjusted to the climate. The group is forecasting to deliver FY '22 operating profit of approximately $1.360 billion, up 11% on FY '21 and operating EPS of $0.72, up 10% on F '21 year. Forecast distributions for F '22, as Nick pointed out, remain at $0.30 per security. And just in closing, I'd like to thank you for attending this meeting, but also I'd like to thank the Goodman people around the world for delivering on this result in very, very unusual times for us all as a global community. So thank you very much, and we are now moving to questions. Miles?
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our first question today comes from the line of Simon Chan from Morgan Stanley.
Simon Chan
analystFirst question, just on -- how much of the disposals did you guys factor in for FY '22 in your guidance? Because I noticed you guys sold about $3 billion or maybe a bit more last year. Just what should we be expecting next year?
Gregory Goodman
executiveLook, I think in the next 12 months, it's going to be minimal. I think we've done, Simon, what we wanted to do in the last 4 or 5 years, we've repositioned the portfolio globally. We've then positioned that capital back into the infill sites, which we wanted to do around the world. Those infill sites are now starting to crank into production through '22, '23 and '24. So most of where we want to position the portfolio for growth is done. So it will be relatively minor in the scheme of $65 billion to $67 billion of assets will be pretty minor.
Simon Chan
analystGreat. Very clear. And then on your production rate of $6.5 billion or $6.6 billion, can you us just give us a feel for when will that actually translate through to completions, if at all. I mean I'm just trying to reconcile that this production rate from $4 billion to $5 billion, it's now $6.6 billion, yet your annual completions only gone from $1.5 billion to $2.5 billion. And I acknowledge that stuff takes, you were saying, 19 months to complete. So are we close to the point, perhaps back end of FY '22, when we should see a pretty noticeable uplift in completions in AUM?
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. Look, good question, Simon. I'll just make one comment. We're carrying a lot of work through this June '21 and '22. So we're starting '22 very strongly, but I'll just pass over to Nick for a few other comments.
Nick Vrondas
executiveYes, that's spot on, Greg. So yes, Simon, so I think we flagged this a year ago that we'll go through this transition process because we're dropping off a lot of shorter-dated projects and picking up a lot of longer-dated ones. And so until that normalizes, it will take a bit of time. But FY '22, we expect that there will be another step-up and then FY '23 another step-up again. That's the program.
Simon Chan
analystSorry, when you say another step-up, a step-up in what?
Gregory Goodman
executiveIn completions.
Nick Vrondas
executiveIf the production rate remains around this 6%, 6.5% level, over time, the completion rate should get pretty close to that. But it will take a couple of years for us to get to that normalized level. It won't all happen in 1 year.
Simon Chan
analystYes. Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. Putting that together then, I'm just struggling to see how your EPS growth expectations are only 10% for next year, right? I mean Greg said you're not going to be selling a material amount of assets. Your completions is going to go up, you're throwing a little bit of reval. Is there something else I'm missing in putting all that together?
Gregory Goodman
executiveSimon, I think we're looking at the world pretty realistically. We've got a world which is difficult. You've got supply chains that are challenged. So we're just being -- we're just taking a sensible look at the world and putting a sensible number out, which we think $1.36 billion is a good number. It's cash. It's operating profit. We would expect valuations to be also strong. So we think it's just a prudent sensible number at this point of the year.
Simon Chan
analystCan I just pick up on the point you made there, Greg, supply chain has been challenging. Is that increasing your manufacturing costs of your sheds, et cetera? Is that something we're not [ in line ] for?
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. Look, good question. Out of the $10.6 billion, there's about $3.5 billion in concrete, steel and construction. So it's actually not as volatile, even cost increases at the top line. So land and profit and risk is 65% to 70% of the equation at the moment. So look, not from a profitability point of view, I think from a timing point of view, you've got to be realistic this year that things with everyone dealing with the Delta strain slowed down in, certainly, in the construction process in parts of the world. The good news for us of having a global portfolio and a global business, we can sort of work with those cycles as we actually have been in the last 18 months. So I think 10% is a good number. It's a big number. It's a sensible number at this time of the year.
Operator
operatorOkay. We have another question in queue. So I'll next go to Lou Pirenc from Jarden.
Lourens Pirenc
analystA few questions for me, if I may. First of all, on your dividend payout, I mean you flagged quite well that you wanted to bring that down. Do you have a number in mind, Greg or Nick, where you kind of want that payout to be? Or should we just expect $0.30 for the next few years?
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. Look, it will sit around 40% is the reality, Lou. There's a lot of money going into our development pipeline around the world. There is probably an uptick on work in progress of $10.6 billion, even closing in around $11 billion during the year as well. So there's just some really good opportunities for us globally that are big, they're infill, a lot of multistory. So we think 40% for us, bear in mind the growth we're experiencing and the demand we're experiencing from our customers, is where it will sit.
Lourens Pirenc
analystGreat. And then as you say, the majority of that retained earnings will go into development, but you did increase your stake into GMT. So I just wanted to kind of see if there's more -- if you're kind of seeing opportunities to take more stakes into your existing or future funds?
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. Look, as the assets under management, Lou, grow over time, and I've said they'll grow through $65 billion this year pretty strongly that, yes, there will be more investment in the partnerships as we go as well. Just remember, Goodman holds about $1.8 billion of assets on our balance sheet as well, which are rotating. Some of those are being -- getting ready for development. They will be developed, and then that will free up additional cash for investment as well. So it's a combination of the 2 items, certainly, assets on the balance sheet that are rotating plus the retention of the cash flows.
Operator
operatorOkay. Your next question in queue comes from Sholto from Jefferies.
Sholto Maconochie
analystJust touching on some of the points made. If you look at the production, $10.6 billion of WIP, averaging $6.6 billion in production based on the 19 months, it's not hard to see your development earnings being $900 million to $1 billion with a 15% all-in margin. So just sort of trying to understand how you get to that guidance. Obviously, it just seems to be conservative based on what you're saying around COVID and the timing and things of that. Can you sort of elaborate on that sort of the development of WIP and how you see that translate to earnings?
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. Look, good question. And I expect this will be a question that we get. Look, we think 10% is a good number because it's a strong number backing up on a very good result this year. It's cash flow and operating profit are very much aligned this year, very, very close, for '22 will be the same. We think 10% is a good number. If during the year, we feel more inclined, we're doing a little better, we'll let you and everyone else know. But we just think it's a good number. Is it conservative? I think it's sensible for all the reasons I've outlined. But are we confident? Yes, we are very confident in the numbers we're putting forward to you today.
Sholto Maconochie
analystOkay. And then just on the payout. You flagged your gearing did tick up a little bit from December about 200 basis points, but you had net debt broadly unchanged. But the -- a lot of it -- was that -- and the revals were quite strong. So was that just the FX impact that made that at the translation at the end that made that gearing a bit higher?
Gregory Goodman
executiveNick, do you want to jump on that one?
Nick Vrondas
executiveYes. Yes, FX did affect it because it did tick down throughout the end of the financial year. And then the rest was just the net cash flow movements.
Sholto Maconochie
analystAnd then just, I guess, it's a good signal when you've kept the dividend flat for several years now, you're saying obviously the WIP going to smash through $11 billion so that -- and you flag in an increase in gearing. So I guess you're pretty confident that you're going to keep investing more into the partnership developments, hence, why the payout ratio remains low so can keep growing your share of that pipeline. So you're comfortable leaving the dividend flat for a couple of years until you grow into -- while that investment is elevated?
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. Well, look, we're talking about this year, so why don't we just deal with this year? We're comfortable at $0.30 because we think that then provides the capital to grow the business. In saying that, we are seeing really, really strong customer demand. And the longer the world has disrupted, the stronger that demand will get. And effectively, we're seeing that in all our regions around the world. We've got demand that's 2 or 3 deep per project effectively. So you will see us -- that demand's strong. You'll see us putting product into the market to make sure we cater for very, very good customers in the portfolio. And in doing so, we're pulling forward sites that we thought we might develop in a year or 2's time. I think they're going to be activated earlier as well. A lot of that is infill as well. So we're in a pretty robust environment for Goodman around that development business. We just need to manage, obviously, the capital going into it and making sure that we're managing the balance sheet conservatively, which is where we wanted to be, bearing in mind we have a lot of active earnings in the P&L.
Sholto Maconochie
analystYes. And then just on the P&L, I noticed you flagged the management earnings part from asset sales and currency but also the timing of performance fees. So would some get pushed into FY '22 in the first half today? Is that -- and what were the number of performance fees? I think you said on the call $149 million this year, so $48 million down on last year, yes.
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes, yes, yes. Yes, that was the number. I think you want to look at primarily, we gave you a number for the average performance of the partnerships. So I think it was 18%. We believe this year will be another very, very strong year as was the last 2 years with mid-teens performance. I think extrapolate that out, and you could imagine that we are pretty strong in regard to aggregate performance moving forward, certainly if the conditions prevail. So the business is performing well, the partnerships are performing well and there's a big buildup of performance in all those partnerships primarily all around the world.
Sholto Maconochie
analystYes. And just finally, how much was this made -- for Nick, was the undevelopment profit of $718 million, how much was noncash again that was -- I may have misheard that on the call, which is obviously a timing issue before they complete?
Gregory Goodman
executiveNick, you can settle that?
Nick Vrondas
executiveYes. So the number you're referring to, Sholto, that's in relation to the conditionally contracted properties, whether we have the revaluation. Yes, it's $95 million.
Sholto Maconochie
analystOkay. And what was the one last year? What was it last year given the PCP number?
Nick Vrondas
executiveThere wasn't last year. It was the year before, it was about $19 million. So in FY -- at the end of FY '19, we had $19 million that was conditionally contracted that then got treated the way we [ treated it ] consistently in FY '20. In FY '21, there was no reversal but we've got the $95 million so that, over the next couple of years, that will come out in the operating profit.
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. But to be clear, there was no $95 million and $700 million of development operating profit.
Sholto Maconochie
analystThat's not in that number. Okay. Okay. All right.
Operator
operatorOkay. And so we'll next go to James Druce from CLSA.
James Druce
analystMy first question is actually pretty basic. Just wanted to get some color on the distribution of the WIP. So how much of the $10 billion or so would be in the top 5 assets, say?
Gregory Goodman
executiveLook, it will be well spread. It's well spread around the world. I think there's 73 projects, but the projects are just getting bigger. So on average, a project is $120 million, $130 million now.
James Druce
analystOkay. And then as a follow-up, just talking to some of the buckets of demand, is there anything to call out across pharma, e-commerce and fresh food over the period?
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes, all of the above. Pharma, obviously, is, for all sorts of reasons, including vaccine storage and things of that nature. But look, I think you're going to find health care and things like that as a big sector, and we're seeing that grow pretty strongly. We're -- the longer this pandemic goes, the more entrenched the way we're living, also means that we're spending more online, and we think we'll do so. So that's accelerating the trends. And I think the world will be at 40% online sales through retail sooner than was forecast 12, 18 months ago. So we're seeing big, big moves and getting supply chains ready for that, getting supply chains really so they're not vulnerable. So we're seeing a tremendous amount of work going on in e-com, and we're seeing it now in fresh as well, which I think there's a lot of articles and a lot of talk about fresh. And that's happening globally. But pharma has been, probably in the last 6, 9 months, a big move on pharma, yes.
James Druce
analystOkay. And then finally, just a question around data centers. How do you describe what you're sort of doing in that space at the moment? Is it like an intentional adjacency or a mere product of good real estate? And can you sort of talk to the customer set in data centers, which is a potential customer for Goodman Group?
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. Look, these are big guys around the world. So the biggest data center operators are the Microsofts, the Amazons and people of that ilk, the Equinixes and so. So it's an ilk. What we tend to do and do in most cases, if we're going to own the asset long term, we'll build a pretty generic building that stores data. And if it's not storing data, it can be storing goods. And I think we've done that pretty effectively over the last 12 years when we've been operating in the sector. So we're not pulling it out as a special sector for Goodman. It's storage, a lot of boxes, but of data racks. And we build, primarily if we're going to own them long term, generic buildings from time to time. If the buildings are bit specialized, we might sell the land or we might do a land lease for 25, 30 years to the customer, and then they can build what they want to build. So we handle it in different ways, but we're not building specialized buildings for the data center. What we are doing is building buildings that are generic which stores data, which can convert to something else in the future is the way we approach it from an investment point of view.
Operator
operatorOkay. Your next question in queue comes from Richard Jones from JPMorgan.
Richard Jones
analystWe're obviously seeing phenomenal investment demand for industrial assets in Australia. Can you put the demand in Australia in a global context? How does it compare to the other markets you're operating in?
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. Good question. It's the same everywhere. It's the most popular asset class globally at the moment. I think there's numbers all around the world that sort of bear that out. So it doesn't matter whether you're in the U.S., China effectively in Europe, there's a lot of money, a lot of capital being raised, primarily for core assets. So we know the development activity and the amount of competitors really hasn't changed. It is the same people, a few different faces, but that's always remained relatively competitive. But around core assets, big, big demand globally. I think, Richard, we marked the book, the 4.3% globally, as the global cap rate. That was $5.8 billion of revaluations globally for our partners and Goodman. I think you'll see that will move again this year, primarily off the back of real growth in cash flows. We're seeing a Goodman partnership level, very, very good market rental growth because we've chosen our locations and backed them, and that's paying off. So there's a lot of 4s, 5s and 6% sort of growth rates now coming in a lot of markets, which will impact then the valuations over the next few years moving forward. So I think valuations are going to -- Goodman will have another pretty solid year, but the amount of money looking for core industrial is very, very strong.
Richard Jones
analystOkay. And then just on the development workbook, you talked, I think, in the last couple of quarters about a significant ramp-up coming in the U.S. and sort of a gradual ramp-up in the U.K. It hasn't seemed to have happened or been a big driver of the growth in WIP in the last couple of quarters. So should we expect FY '22 to see the U.S. become a more significant contributor? I think you talked previously more than of build of starts near term.
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. Look, that is in the process of starting in the next month or 2. We've got one site, which we upgraded ready to go. That's about $600 million. There's another site we're pre-letting. That's about another $600 million. So those are going to kick off the next -- this half primarily. We're just regulating what we're doing sensibly. We're watching, obviously, construction costs around the world. But for us, it's not so much around the cost. It's more around the timing. There's plenty of margin in it. Getting the timing right, we're buying steel ahead of time. We're doing things that are smart by procuring things at better prices and in bulk and things like that. So I think from our point of view, pretty comfortable with work in progress at $10.6 billion in the June reporting date. But yes, we've got a lot of stuff to kick off this half. And the second half of the year, which we'll basically maintain, I think, as we've said, a pretty big work-in-progress number over the next year or 2, in that $10 billion -- probably $10 billion to $11 billion range. Which then, if you extrapolate that out, which most of it is being owned by our partners, you extrapolate that out, it gives you a pretty strong growth in your assets under management, probably around that 12% to 14% a year. When you strap on some valuations, it will be $30 billion, $70 billion in the '23 financial year.
Operator
operatorOkay. I'll next go to Suraj from Citigroup.
Suraj Nebhani
analystSo Nick, I just wanted to go back to the question around the development income accounting, the $95 million number. Can you just run through how exactly that will come through earnings over the next few years? Like, will it sort of be a negative reval in a way but coming through earnings? Is that the way to think of it?
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. Nick, you got that.
Nick Vrondas
executiveYes, just getting myself off mute. Yes, Suraj, that's exactly right. Effectively would be a negative reval because we don't want to double-count it, right? So if we don't do that in the future year when you add it up over a number of years, you'll end up with more profit than we've actually generated. But so in the statutory financial statements, we'll keep tracking that for you, so you can continue to follow it, and it's part of the audit process. So the numbers are verified. But then when we do our operating profit reconciliation, it will be a notional reallocation as a negative reval in the future period when we bring it above the line to operating at the time when the asset sale is completed. And only when it's completed. If it doesn't, obviously, we won't.
Suraj Nebhani
analystOkay. And are there sort of similar deals that we should expect to occur in the future? Or this was more sort of one-off in nature?
Gregory Goodman
executiveNick, you got it.
Nick Vrondas
executiveYes, yes. I think it will become more prevalent. Like I said, we had one deal into 2029. There's a few here. And there's a few in the pipe that could go the same way as well. So we'll have to keep calling it out so that it's clear. But yes, I expect that there will be more of these in the future.
Suraj Nebhani
analystMaybe, Greg, just one for you. On the brownfield development side. You obviously talked about the environmental benefit. But I'm just wondering if you can clarify how generally how that is higher margin than other industrial projects.
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. Look, I think the barriers to entry, whether it's just way, way higher, the land is in the main because of the location of the property and around the major cities, just way, way higher. And the time and planning is way, way longer. So some of these projects, we just bought a couple of sites in the last few weeks, a few hundred million sterling and U.S. Fundamentally, they won't be in the development pipeline till about '24, '25. By the time we demolish plan -- once data center sites we've got to power it up and all that sort of carry on. So yes, that does take longer. So you want more profit and risk because you need it and that's the way we play it. But most of what we're looking at, at the moment is very, very little as greenfield ready to go. Most of it is long-term, strategic 7 to 10 years, some of it out. So you might have income for 4 or 5, you knock the buildings over within 6. By that time, you got it planned and ready to go, and then you're in and out 8 years. A lot of the stuff we're doing now, we're making decisions on 8 years' time. And I think that's -- when you look at our workbook now, that was because of decisions we made some of those 20 years ago, and some of them actually 30 years ago. And that's just the way we think. It's part of what we really like doing. We like trying to pick the good stuff. Backing the trends we're seeing for the next 8, 9 years is the way we like to operate, which then means the competition around the world that is doing that, there's ones and twos of people that think the way we think and you know who those are. So effectively, there's not 15, there might be 1 or 2 people that really take the long-term view and they're fundamental real estate people to be honest, not financing transactions or core buyers. They're real, real estate people that think about these things deliberately and very intimately over a long period of time.
Suraj Nebhani
analystSure, sure. That makes sense. And just one final one for you, Greg. In terms of gearing, I understand the policy is unchanged 0% to 25%. But obviously, we've been through a pandemic. The outlook for industrial properties clearly very strong, and asset values are rising. So I'm wondering why you still maintain a conservative stance on gearing, why not increase it slightly, but within the range?
Gregory Goodman
executiveI've probably been too long in the industry to believe things won't change. And effectively as well that if you look at our P&L, it's a lot of active earnings management, management fees, performance fees, a lot of development revenues. And we just don't think Goodman Group is an entity that should carry a lower leverage. And so I think the net debt equation of about $1 billion is really, really good, and it makes me sleep at night. So it might be a little higher than that from time to time, but it won't be a lot higher. I think the average leverage, though, around the partnerships is also worth to note, that's 18%. And that's where we're running anywhere between 18% and early 20s for the partnerships. Globally -- and once again, we're selling that to the partners as being prudent, and we're more concentrated on really getting good sites that can regenerate good long-term returns. And that means if we do strap on some lower-yielding good infill sites that might be yielding 3% or 4% for a period of time, they can carry those with cash flow covers and things like that. Until I get to the development stage, and most of our partnerships around the world have got pretty substantial development books as well. So I think you've got to look at the gearing and the gearing of the partnerships in context of what we're doing. As you know, we're not big core buyers, we're value-add buyers pretty much exclusively now.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Grant McCasker from UBS.
Grant McCasker
analystGreg and Nick, I guess it's sort of follow up from your remarks and around setting the business up for the long term. I see your LTI is now vest over a 10-year period, which I think is a pretty strong signal. Can I sort of understand that the financial implications in the short and medium term in regards to the quantum and the impact on the P&L from shares being issued and the noncash expense running through the P&L. I know this is difficult to forecast, but heavy one for Nick.
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. I'll make a couple of comments. Firstly, I think the first thing is Goodman Group will maintain the 5-year plan. So that will be 90% of the population, 95% of the population. It's a good plan. It's appropriate. The 10-year plan is being taken up by about 22 people. Those are the people that are running big operations around the world or assisting running big operations around the world. And importantly, at Goodman Group, we want to make sure that all people in our business are partners. But in particular, those people that are actually influencing the program and those 10-year decisions on the land and the way they behave and the way they treat the environment, we believe it's appropriate that they take a really long-term view. They tend to be very entrepreneurial people. They tend to back themselves, which is good. And they're very, very high quality in regard to our industry with a great depth of knowledge. So it's not across the whole business. It's a portion of the population that are entrepreneurial. It's a scheme that is very strongly in favor of the company. I think for the employees, if you ask them, honestly, the 5-year scheme is a better one for them with a lot more certainty. I think this one carries more risk and you need to back yourself and you need to make good long-term decisions, which is exactly where we're driving to. There's a lot of short-term [ ism ] in the industrial sector at the moment. Probably a lot of sectors are no different to technology and other sectors as well. We want to drive through all that sort of nonsense, and we want to make sure that our people are making good decisions for our investors and stakeholders for the very long term. Now to the accounting and the financial impacts, Nick, you can handle that, but look, it's -- the dilution impact, bearing in mind the period of time, is going to be pretty marginal compared to the 5-year plan. Nick?
Nick Vrondas
executiveYes. Thanks, Grant, for that great question. I think the thing I'd like to focus everyone on is the dilution. I think Greg is right. That's something that we can reliably measure. And what we'll encourage people to do is, if you believe that we're going to generate 10% per annum EPS growth, which is now the hurdle for full vesting, so that's up from what it previously was, if you believe we're going to do that, there are limits on how much stock we can grant under the rights. It maxes out at 1% per annum dilution. So if you put that into your projections, then it can be no worse than that, frankly. And I think that's the reliable measure. We can count the number of securities reliably. I think the accounting cost and how that moves around the P&L -- I spend zero time thinking about forecasting it. I really don't think, in my opinion and in the company's opinion, it doesn't accurately reflect the cost to investors. It's just, in my opinion, a relatively meaningless number, frankly. So it could go up, it could go down. It depends on the stock price. It depends on the gammas, the deltas and the vegas. And honestly, we probably don't really need to spend a lot of time thinking about it.
Grant McCasker
analystNo, that's great. You sort of answered it with the dilution comment, the 1%, but it's good to hear that LTI over a 10-year period. You should be applauded for it.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from Benjamin Brayshaw from Barrenjoey.
Benjamin Brayshaw
analystGreg and Nick, just a question on your development book. Just on Slide 36, you are forecasting a yield on costs or project commencements of basically 40 basis points higher than 6 months ago, up to 6.7%. I was just wondering if you could comment around what's driven the increase and broadly your expectations for where you see that trending over the next 12 months?
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. Look, good question. I think the 6.7% is a function of making good long-term decisions on sites a number of years ago. And I think, go back to my earlier comments where we're rebasing the portfolio looking at where we wanted our partners owning real estate, and we had a good hard look at it. And at the time we were selling, we're also buying closer and in higher growth markets. And I think we're doing that again today right now with a view of 5 years' time. And I think if we keep honest and we stay true to the process, and we buy not for expediency but we buy for long-term performance, I think you'll find that we'll be doing pretty well on that line. That might be 6.7%. I think that's a really good number. But -- it will be in the 6s, I suspect, but the exits are probably -- I think the $10.6 billion number is on exit to $4.7 billion, where you could quite easily see those exits being $4.2 billion, not $4.7 billion. So that $10.6 billion might have a little bit more in it, I suspect, when we actually get to mark-to-market effectively through the process. So look, yes, I think we will maintain 6s for a while longer, but it's all benched against where you think the exit is. And probably the exit for that global portfolio we're building at the moment is no worse than 4, and it's probably unashamedly some of the best stuff being made in the world, and it would be some of the best available for our partners in the world as well.
Benjamin Brayshaw
analystAnd Greg, in terms of underwriting assumptions on land that you're currently active on insofar as acquisition is concerned, are you able to comment on your incremental yield on cost?
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. Look, look, I think if something is near term and it's easy, right, that would probably be a rarity for us because nothing we seem to do is easy. But that's got a 5 in front of it. If things are hard and long and, like I say, things we're buying today, we won't even be in production probably for 3 or 4 years. I think we've been down in South Sydney working with planners and council on one multistorey site for 3 years now and will probably go another 6 to 9 months because we're going through a design award program now. So good stuff takes time. And but then you've got this wall of demand coming through that wants the good stuff. And what's it now? And it's really in a scenario globally where it's undersupplied. So if you look around New York and you're looking at stuff in the Bronx or through Jersey, to go and actually get a contemporary modern warehouse, might be 1 or 2 available, the same in most of our markets around the world. So the tensions on the rent and the cash flow growth, so I think if we keep getting the cash flow growth in those locations of, say, 4% or 5%, beating the 2% to 3% type averages, yes, I suspect by the time you get through the production, you're still in that sort of range.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from Alex Prineas from Morningstar.
Alexander Prineas
analystYes. Just I guess following up on that last question in terms of the sort of modernization of supply chains and increasing investment in e-commerce. The differences -- there's a journey going on where retailers are investing, there are differences around the world in terms of how retailers are in that journey.
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. Look, it's fair to say and good questions. It's fair to say, if you look at Europe and the U.S., way more advanced than Australia. China is the same actually. I think just look at the penetration rates over there in regard to e-com through 30%. Here, I think we're still in the mid-teens, might have spiked a little bit up because of people being locked in their houses in Sydney and Melbourne and Queensland. But effectively, yes, we're quite a few years behind. And we're seeing work we're doing now in Sydney that is going to cater for the next 3 or 4 years to get to the sort of penetration rates where we're sitting in the U.S. and Europe. So I think we've got a long way to go here. And when I look at the workbook and the number of big boxes and automated sheds and things of that nature, certainly see a big pile of demand coming through, I think the thing is going to be the amount of land and the amount of infill sites and the amount of development you can actually get really because of planning and infrastructure is going to be the constraint, but it won't be the demand, I suspect.
Operator
operatorOkay. We've got another question. So I'll go to Peter Davidson from Pendal.
Peter Davidson
analystLook, I just wondered if you could decompose the like-for-like rent growth at 3.2% across the geographies. Maybe talk about what's happening with market rents. And also a query, is some of your portfolio under-rented? And if so, by how much? And then finally, if you've got all this let? And then the last one is just the leasing spreads like what's happening where you get vacancy and relet, how are you getting the bumps? And I guess the whole drift of that question is really around these cap rates, which are very fine. Behind those cap rates, there's implied or expected market rent growth, and so they're in the query.
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. I'll answer the last question first. A full cap works if you got full growth, full cap doesn't work if you got 0 growth, in my opinion. That might be different in some investment houses, but that's the way we look at it. And effectively, you'll see the like-on-like was 3.2. That is being held back effectively by the constructed releases, which might be fixed bumps or might be CPI plus margin type markets running ahead of the like-for-like probably by a good 1% and 2%. Some markets in the world, it's almost double that. Because I go back to the scenario, in the big infill markets around the world, around the big cities, there is more demand than there is supply. And you can't get supply quickly enough as well. And planning and environmental concerns in regard to what everyone is doing is also going to make it a longer-term program as well. So you're going to have this scenario, I think, particularly in the locations we are globally where you're not going to be able to meet that demand quickly. And effectively planning environmental issues means it takes longer vis-a-vis you need more rent and you also need more capital and patience, which I think is what we've got abundance of. I think patience is the big thing. Nick, do you want to hit a couple of those other points just around the rent growth? Just on locations, Pete, if you look at our numbers around the world, Japan is probably we're actually getting on now. That's more like rental growth, maybe even 2. But where the rent growth is really strong is U.K., but particularly infill U.K. U.S. where you've had almost a double digit for the year in infill locations. Australia is starting to see it big in infill, a little less so in greenfield. Effectively, China has bounced back pretty well. So they're in the 4%, 5% range. Hong Kong has been pretty flat for the year to be clear. So that's diluting the number a little bit. But now that is, with not a lot of supply going into the market, they're starting to bounce back. But U.S., U.K., Europe is with a 0 negative bond, 10-year treasury rate and very low inflation, that's obviously in the good infills, probably more like the 2% to 3% range. But Nick, would you like to make some further comments?
Nick Vrondas
executiveI think you covered actually most of it. Specifically, Pete, you asked about the reversions as well. I think that was the other part of the question. So I think it goes with the rental growth that Greg was talking about. So big reversions happening in U.S. I mean we don't have a huge reversionary portfolio now because it's still growing. Most of it is coming through the development business. But as we are starting to get to reversions, they are quite significant. The South Sydney market, big reversions, double-digit type numbers. So in those locations, we are seeing pretty strong reversions. The rest of them are a little bit closer to the like-for-like.
Operator
operatorAnd your last question comes from Stuart McLean from Macquarie.
Stuart McLean
analystAppreciate the time, so I'll try to make this relatively quick. But the $65 billion of AUM that you're targeting to go through, does that just assume income growth on the reval side of things and the remainder driven by completions?
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes, pretty much. That's right. I think when we're looking at forecasting valuation growth this year. We're primarily looking at the rental growth to come through. I think it will be a combination of both, to be honest. I don't think our book at [ 4 3 ] is finished yet. I think it's better than that when you look at what's happening at the moment. So I expect there will be a combination of -- the 2 would be rental growth. To Pete's question before, in our view, full caps only if you can actually get good growth, not full caps, if you can't. So I think you want to see that rental growth coming through, but I also think there's probably 20, 30 points in it as well, just where we're seeing things getting marked around the world now and where we're seeing things trade at volume, certainly, it's good industrial global cap rates 4% currently.
Stuart McLean
analystGreat. And then on Slide 28, has the management development margin, it seems like it's grown by 8% to 75% over the last 5 years. What's the trajectory there? How do you think about that operating expense line item going forward?
Gregory Goodman
executiveNick, you can grab that one, if you want.
Nick Vrondas
executiveYes. Look, I think if you're trying to extrapolate from that revenue and cost of goods sold equation, it's not going to help you that much because that is dependent upon the nature of the contracts and the mix of the types of developments we're doing. Some of them is profit on sales. Some of it is fixed price contract. Some of it is fee-for-service and related. So I think if you just look at the net line and look at it relative to the production rate, look at it relative to return on assets and overall sort of margins on the projects rather than trying to extrapolate that line item because it can be quite volatile. If you look back over the years, it has moved around significantly, depending on how we structure the transactions. So I encourage you to look at it that way rather than trying to extrapolate out from that, yes.
Stuart McLean
analystSo it's more about -- Slide 28 management and development income was $1.2 billion, operating expenses were almost $300 million, so 75% margin. Do you expect operating expenses to now start growing in line with management and development income? Or should we expect kind of flat operating expenses of that $294 million number going forward?
Gregory Goodman
executiveI can grab that one, if you want, Nick. I think from a cost point of view, we've got really good infrastructure and people around the world. I think also with the 10-year plan, there's a lot of people that are going to give the rest of their career to Goodman, which I think is great. And effectively, we've got a very solid cost base. And incrementally, around assets under management and development, we can do more with the cost base we've got. So it will grow as we add people, but it won't grow to the extent anywhere near where the revenues will grow. And effectively, we have a margin over cost of probably 80%, 90% is the reality because of good infrastructure we've already got all around the world.
Stuart McLean
analystGreat. And a final one from me. Greg, you mentioned that WIP will be circa $10 billion to $11 billion going forward, production rate around that $6.5 billion kind of give or take the next couple of years. Development has been the driver of earnings. And so eventually, if WIP stops growing, how do we kind of sit back and think about growth for Goodman on a 3- to 5-year view? And I'm not expecting guidance, but if development earnings might not be growing, what does that mean more broadly for the business? And how do you counter that?
Gregory Goodman
executiveYes. I think you'll see it through the investment line and hopefully growth in cash flow because of the locations we've chosen. So we think that will start to stand out. But the big driver is the assets under management where, for the last 6 or 7 years, we've had the hand brake on it effectively because we've been selling, I think, $25 billion of assets. And we've built our way through it by cranking up the development side of the business, which was a sensible thing to do with the change and the structural change we've seen in industrial. But if you look forward 3 to 5, you can imagine assets under management sitting at $100 billion. You could see close to $1 billion of revenues coming off those $100 billion by themselves. And I think the other thing on development, we're in a very big world. You've got to apply $0.73 sort of U.S. type dollar value in Australia to the U.S. dollars. And effectively, can we do USD 5 billion, USD 6 billion, USD 7 billion globally, pretty consistently around the world? Yes, we can. We've seen it extrapolates out to $10 billion plus, particularly with what we're seeing around the world on the structural demand and the way people's lives are changing, which have been accelerated through COVID. And when we talk about through COVID, quite frankly, we're going to have to learn to live with COVID. I don't think it goes away anytime soon. So those trends we're seeing are only accelerating. Our customers are more determined. And we're peddling pretty hard to make sure we can cater for them and have the right locations. So I think you'll see a 4-, 5-year development program pretty large, but you'll see the assets under management growing, which will start to move the earnings profile back to management, not away from development but the percentages and management will just be bigger. We think development will be consistent, pretty consistent and will still grow quite strongly.
Operator
operatorWith that, there's no further questions. So I'll hand the call back to you now, Greg, for any concluding remarks.
Gregory Goodman
executiveLook, thank you, Simon, and thank you very much, everyone, for your time. That's gone through the hour, so that must be a good session. Thanks very much.
Operator
operatorOkay. Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's conference call. Just once again, thank you all for participating, but you may now all disconnect.
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