Graphic Packaging Holding Company (GPK) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

November 17, 2020

New York Stock Exchange US Materials Containers and Packaging conference_presentation 46 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Mark Connelly

analyst
#1

Good morning. I am delighted to be back once again with Mike Doss, CEO of Graphic Packaging; and Steve Scherger, Chief Financial Officer. Graphic Packaging is a company that, from the outside, looks like it really hasn't skipped a beat or been affected at all by COVID despite some pretty obvious changes in what's actually going out there. But Mike, before we get started, I was hoping that you and Steve could just remind us how your careers have taken you to the job you're in right now.

Michael Doss

executive
#2

Yes. Thank you for that, Mark. So I started with the company in 1990 right out of business school in the sales and marketing training program and progressed through a series of increasingly responsible roles. Moved into operations, ran a couple of our facilities, multiple plant responsibility assignments, was the general manager of our consumer packaging business for a long time which is our largest business unit headquartered divisionally up in New Hampshire. And then in 2012, moved to Atlanta, which is our corporate headquarters, became Chief Operating Officer, eventually President and then CEO from January of 2016. So I've been here, I'm celebrating my 30th year with the company and really excited about prospects going forward. I want to thank everybody for joining us this morning.

Stephen Scherger

executive
#3

Yes. Thanks, Mike. Good morning, everybody. Steve Scherger. Like Mike, 25-plus year history in fiber-based packaging, financial background, but many of those years, as well like Mike, in more operational and commercial roles. Joined the team here at Graphic Packaging in 2012, led our consumer packaging business for a couple of years, and then migrated into the CFO role in 2015. So thanks, everybody, for taking the time this morning.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#4

So I was hoping that we could take a step back for a minute. Graphic Packaging, leading fiber-based consumer packaging and food company that had really just turned the corners from a couple of difficult years with price cost, and then COVID hit. And really from the outside, if you weren't paying too close attention, it looks like you haven't really skipped a beat. So can we start by talking about the business lines, the significance of the great mix that you have, the importance of integration to strategy? And then let's dig into COVID after that.

Michael Doss

executive
#5

Yes, sure. Steve, I'll take a shot at this, and you can add some color. But the thing that we've really been able to do over the last 5 years or so is build out our customer portfolio much differently than what the company was before. Specifically, we make center-of-the-store food packaging, we make beverage packaging, we make foodservice packaging, and we make consumer goods packaging. So when you think about all 4 of those verticals now, if one portion of it's down, the others tend to be up a little bit. And that really has allowed us through the pandemic to be able to take a pretty good body blow, as you're mentioning, Mark, around our foodservice business being down roughly 14% to 15% through the third quarter of this year, and make up for it because our food and beverage business has been up 6% to 7%, which is a bigger portion of it, roughly 77% of our overall volume. And so that's why on the surface, our -- we've been able to play and draw on our core volumes. And then the innovation that we've been driving on sustainable-based packaging, which I know we'll get into a little bit later, has allowed us to drive what essentially has been really solid growth this year, 3.5% organic volume growth even with foodservice being down as I mentioned. The other thing that we were able to do, and we did this when we bought IP's consumer packaging business in January of 2018, we acquired the third substrate that we did not have. So there are 3 principal substrates in folding carton consumer fiber-based packaging. We have all 3 of those substrates. We make all 3 of those substrates, and we're vertically integrated and then driving those paperboard production that we've got through our own converting operations. And what that gave us is a lot of flexibility. When foodservice went down, beverage was very strong. We're able to divert some of our CUK business into the SBS profile, keep that substrate very strong. The operating rates for our coated folding carton business is actually quite strong year-to-date. And you put that together, that allowed us to service customers, really meet consumer demand. And to your point, I appreciate you making the comment, we have been able to you kind of not miss a beat. Now the -- if you look at duck in the river, you never know how fast the legs are swimming, and certainly we've been swimming pretty fast with all that stuff. But what we like about the business model and the company we've built is the resiliency of that revenue base through a pandemic like what we've seen here this year. And that holds up really strong, and we think that differentiates us in a crowded market.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#6

So let's talk about that big hit in foodservice because it really is sort of remarkable that you've been able to bounce from it. But foodservice was the fastest-growth business that you had before the pandemic happened. Do you see that growth coming back at the same sort of rate that we had once we have a vaccine in place? Or how are you thinking about preparing for that?

Michael Doss

executive
#7

It's a great question. I don't know that we can speak with a huge amount of accuracy just how fast it comes back. But what I'll tell you this, is that with the announcements in the last couple of weeks about a vaccine from 2 different manufacturers, it would appear that sometime midyear next year that we'll be in a position where a lot of the American public and global public will be vaccinated. And that will create the new normal in terms of how people go out and want to eat again. I think the real question is what does that look like? Because there'll be different patterns. People will be working more from home even in a post pandemic world, we believe. And that creates some opportunities for us for take-home food. Conversely, that might pressure a little bit on our coffee cup business, where that has been a very strong growing business for us for the last few years as you well know. But what we believe is that our foodservice business will be a source of growth for us again in 2022. So we think 2021 will be repositioning, getting the business that we'll see some growth, we're getting back towards kind of where we were when we exited 2019. But we do expect it to be a source of growth again in 2022. It might just look a little different in terms of some of the products that we manufacture. But let's face it. I mean Americans like to go out and eat. They like to be on the go. And we would expect that we'd see that kind of activity again as the pandemic gets tamped down with vaccines and more effective treatment plans.

Stephen Scherger

executive
#8

And Mark, just one thought there to kind of echo Mike's point around a gradual return to growth on the cup side. One of the things we really like about our cup business is it's very highly integrated. That's one of the things that's allowed us to weather through this environment is we're able to match supply and demand, both at the raw material level, the SBS, the one major line that produces the roughly 400,000 tons and our actual cup production. So when you're running a 80-plus percent integrated platform like we are, we're able to very tightly match the supply/demand needs. And we'll be able to do the same as volume returns to that business starting -- like Mike said, starting in '21 and certainly focused out into '22 and beyond.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#9

So the rest of your business, the carton side has benefited on a net basis very substantially.

Michael Doss

executive
#10

Yes.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#11

More people shopping at supermarket, more people eating at home. How do you think about the puts and takes there? Because initially, there was a lot of concern about beverage demand dropping off. So can you walk us through sort of the pieces of the carton portfolio, and where you think some of that is sticky?

Michael Doss

executive
#12

Yes. So within the carton portfolio if you think about it, 77% is food and beverage and then about 22% is foodservice. And we've got some consumer in that food and beverage number there, but it's a smaller portion of the total. So I'll just speak in kind of macro sense on that. The center of the store has been very strong for us through pandemic, and we would expect that to continue to be the case as we go into '21. That's what we're hearing from the customer set. They want us to be ready. They want us to be capable of supplying them because they believe that their demand is going to remain strong. On the beverage side, we've seen growth in both alcohol and nonalcoholic beverages. And we've seen shifts, and again to the innovation conversation, into products that require less plastic and use some of our paperboard. So there's a combination of growth that we're seeing there, both in terms of the increased demand for the off-premise consumption or at-home consumption as well as the innovation side. And we would expect those trends to continue into 2021. As we talked about on some of our calls in the past, if foodservice comes back, you would expect a gradual let off on some of the food and beverage side. But we would expect that core volume base, Mark, to remain very steady. And so the way we would ask investors to think about it is we believe our core volumes will be steady. And what we're going to be able to drive that 100 to 200 basis points of growth is all going to be around sustainability-driven innovation. And we've got 3 distinct platforms that we can talk about here when you're ready to do it around what we're driving in terms of growth, specific product lines that are of interest to customers and are resonating very well with the end-use consumer. So that's how we're thinking about the growth. We'll see some shifts in the portfolio based on how things play out with the pandemic, but what we don't expect is that our core volumes will go negative. We believe our core volume will remain flat, which it has today through the pandemic, and we'll drive the rest of that with innovation.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#13

Well, it's been fascinating to watch the core volume strength through the pandemic. And so it's easier to imagine it's staying strong. But especially with the success that you have had with some of these sustainability initiatives. And that came -- that really got started long before the pandemic and started to show some growth before. So can you give us a sense where the sustainability initiative is going to have the most impact in your portfolio and maybe how that's changed with COVID?

Michael Doss

executive
#14

Happy to do that. There's 3 main platforms that we're working off of. So it's around plastic replacement, it's around strength packaging, and it's around enhanced microwave packaging. And so if you think about the plastic replacement, it's a very focused effort for us. It tends to be on the beverage side of the business where we're doing things like KeelClips or -- which are replacing the Hi-Cone rings that you would see on the aluminum cans. We're having tremendous success along those lines. We've already placed over 20 machines in Europe, and we expect another wave of orders to come behind that as they get more into service and work across the system. The early reads from our customers on that on both the alcoholic and nonalcoholic, your customer set is very solid. It's around replacing foam with paper-based products, both clam shells and cups, and things along those lines that are very good. And we've also had some real success with this new product that we profiled on our third quarter called this PaperSeal product, which is a paper tray that we make paperboard for. It still has film on it, but what it allows the customer to do is merchandise it really well with high-end graphics. So think about proteins and cheeses and fish, where they can actually merchandise that material really well with graphics that we can print. And it still has a modified atmospheric packaging-type film over the top of it, but it separates really easy. So the end-use consumer can pull that plastic off, put the paperboard in the recycling bin. Any small amount of plastic then gets disposed into the garbage. And really good success in Europe and Australia on that. We've got a line that we're getting ready to launch in Canada. So North America, you're soon along those lines. So that's a nice profile of things that are really assignable. And we put resources behind that as opposed to trying to chase everything. And we think we can build competitive advantage on those kind of products really well. As containerboard continues to get more expensive, our solutions around paperboard become interesting and attractive to our customers as well, where they can keep the product in their own container and ship it in an e-commerce channel. We see certain verticals like pet food and some of the consumer goods items as being really good targets for that. So we're working along the lines there. And then an ongoing enhanced microwave packaging portfolio of products that really allows the consumer to have convenience and use products at home, this whole home cooking side of things. It's a business we've had for a long time, but it's gotten another resurgence here with COVID. So if you look at all that as we steer through into '21 and '22, our confidence level is high and we can drive 100 to 200 basis points of true organic growth on those kind of platforms.

Stephen Scherger

executive
#15

Yes. I think Mark, one thing to add there from this time a year ago or year-ago September, when we brought Vision 2025 to life, a couple of points Mike was making. We actually believe the addressable market for our fiber-based solutions is larger than even we had expected this time 12, 14 months ago, which is good. And PaperSeal is a very good example of that. Moving into proteins, cheeses, other fresher categories is a good example of continuing to expand our market participation beyond even where we would have said this time a year ago.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#16

It's interesting. As I just think about those categories that you listed, the enhanced microwave ability plus, et cetera, in most of those categories, you're not looking to just replace products that you're already selling to customers you're already selling, you're looking to take new business from somebody else or from someplace else. And so that as we do see these swings back hopefully towards something more normal, this doesn't really get caught up that much in that. This is looking outward to expand the pie. With -- sticking with that for a moment. We know that the compostable cup costs more. As we think about the sustainability initiatives, what do the economics look like for the customer? Are most of these products more expensive? How are customers thinking about the cost? And how long are customers going to be okay spending more where they have to here?

Michael Doss

executive
#17

Steve, why don't you take a shot at that one?

Stephen Scherger

executive
#18

Yes. I think what we've seen is that, yes, oftentimes, the product itself that we're producing versus the prior product is modestly more expensive. And so there is some premiumization that comes along with this from a cost perspective. In many ways though, the consumer has voted, the consumer has a preference and a bias towards the solution. I think our customers are recognizing that and are willing to make some level of investment to support it. And on a relative basis, on a relative basis relative to the overall cost of goods sold for that product, it's typically quite modest. So yes, it's higher value and has such higher consumer preference. Doesn't tend to be material relative to the overall cost of goods sold and giving the consumer an actual product that they prefer. So yes, it's relevant, but we're not finding our customers moving away from the realities of the consumer preference for the solutions relative to prior solutions.

Michael Doss

executive
#19

Mark, maybe if I could add to that. I think the other thing that we're doing, if you look at the investments that we're making in Monroe and Sneek and even Kalamazoo, we're investing to make sure we're lowering our overall cost, so that we're able to provide the customer with these materials. But we recognize that we've got to be a cost-effective packaging supplier to them that earns the cost of capital, but still gives them good value. And so when you look at the investments we're making, we're trying to anticipate those things and position the corporation to be able to be responsive and successful over the next decade.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#20

Well, it is fascinating to think about where some of the demand for these products are coming from. Sometimes it is coming from the customer who wants to improve their product. Sometimes it's coming from their distribution channels. The supermarkets themselves are saying, "You're going to change this package or we're not going to carry your product."

Michael Doss

executive
#21

Right.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#22

So for now, at least, we're certainly in a period where it's not as if there isn't a broad-based support for making these kinds of changes. So it certainly feels like sustainability and SIOC have some very broad-based support for them. You mentioned, Mike, you mentioned Europe and Canada. Can you talk about sort of the geography of sustainability initiatives as it exists now and as you see it over the next couple of years?

Michael Doss

executive
#23

Yes. So without question, our experience has been that the sustainability trend started in Europe. And so having a good-sized business in Europe like we do, and 2 innovation centers in Europe tied to the ones we have here in North America as well as the one that we've got in the Asia Pacific region, allow us to move these trends around the globe, if you will, much faster. And so we're able to take those learnings and really apply them and get in front of what we see will eventually happen in the North American market. Usually, I'd say it's 18 to 24 months kind of in advance of what we would see here. And -- but it's really a critical strategy for us to be able to take those learnings and apply them back into our own operations here in a way that supports the customers. Because many of our customers, as you know, are operating in multiple geographies. And so even though one of their business units might have already adopted it, we still have to be in a position to have the capabilities to supply them around the globe. And that's something that we're able to provide as a large global supplier.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#24

Are your customers -- I'm thinking about the complexity of the R&D and innovation process because some of it's pull, and some of it's push.

Michael Doss

executive
#25

Yes.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#26

How are you working with customers to figure out what you're going to be selling them in 2 or 3 years?

Michael Doss

executive
#27

Well, these consumer insights that we get from our innovation centers really help us with that. So our commercial people are out talking to the customers all the time. They're bringing back those ideas. We have a cadence of monthly meetings that kind of roll up and put that all into a meeting that I attend actually as the CEO. We talk about major projects that are going on. We've got a stage gating process for how we're assigning resources to make sure that we're working the critical few that really have the ability to move needle and be responsive to our largest customers. We've actually made some changes within Graphic Packaging. And we're going to put innovation actually it's underneath me now. That's how strongly we feel that it's a key part of our growth strategy here going forward as part of our Vision 2025. And again, I think it speaks to the confidence that both Steve and I have in our ability to deliver this 100 to 200 basis points of growth. And as you say, it's about expanding the pie and then grabbing the biggest share of it that we can at Graphic. What we're not trying to do is just go grab share within the overall market. I mean there's going to be some of that, it happens from time to time, it's a competitive market. But what we're really trying to do is differentiate ourselves on these platforms with new products that actually win and provide the customer and the end-use consumer a new experience.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#28

[Operator Instructions] But let's switch gears just a little bit here. A couple of years ago, you had so many capital projects and business changes going on that it was hard to keep track of all of them on one slide. Now a lot of those are behind you and there's just a few left. Can we talk about the projects that are done, what you accomplished, whether you're seeing the benefits you were looking for? But help us understand what those products were all about.

Michael Doss

executive
#29

So I'll kind of frame them in some buckets here. So the one thing we did over the last 3 years is we've done 3 recovery boilers. And while no one gets really excited about that, it's work that has to be done if you're truly going to run safe, efficient and reliable mills. And so that works in our rearview mirror, and we're excited about that. And of course I have to say that, that actually sends a powerful message to the mill as well because they know that that's kind of lifeblood. That's the heart of the mill, is the recovery boiler. And if we're taking care of that, they know that the future of that mill is solid. And that buys us a lot of goodwill with our employees, and it motivates them to want to do a good job and want to drive improvement, which we need them to do. So that will be a bit of a tailwind for us going forward. You can expect about a $20 million pickup in EBITDA on the performance side of things here. Because we won't need to do that again for probably the next decade based on our reviews with factory -- and any of our virgin mills. So that's good, and we're glad we're done it, and we're glad it's in our rearview mirror. The investments we made on our beverage platform we've talked about, we had the big investment we made in Monroe, which is 7 miles away from our paperboard mill. We'll process over 300,000 tons of our own material there in 2021. Our timing on that couldn't have been better if you think about the beverage demand and how that's kind of played out. It's a highly automated facility. We're doing the same thing over in the Netherlands at our Sneek facility. They're commissioning that machine here that -- the new process, if you will, in our fourth quarter. So we'll be in a position to take advantage of that growth that we'll get in 2021 as well. So those were 2 big things that we did from a capital standpoint. We've also taken costs out of our mills by installing curtain coaters, which remove TiO2 and latex permanently from our COGS structure. So that eliminates future inflation up or down. We have 4 that we needed to do on our SUS machines. We've now done 3 of them, we've got 1 more to do. We'll probably do that in 2022. It's just a timing standpoint relative to the other things that we've got going on. They've worked. We've delivered the synergies on all of that. And the other big project that remains out there is the Kalamazoo mill that we're building. And that one will be operational in early 2022. It's on time, it's on budget. And we think our timing tiny again for having a low-cost, highest-quality recycled paperboard mill is excellent. I mean because the demand profile for that grade of paper is great. And we didn't justify it on growth. We justified it, as you know, on cost. And we're going to take out a number of our older mills and consolidate that volume into our Kalamazoo facility. So we're excited about that. And Steve, you can comment a little bit on the returns. Maybe with a little bit of the M&A too, and how we're thinking about that.

Stephen Scherger

executive
#30

Yes. I mean and the returns on those investments give us the confidence that we expressed around that kind of core productivity being $50 million to $70 million a year. Those investments that Mike articulated are big supporting investments that give us confidence that we can continue to drive that level of productivity. While not particularly capital-intensive, the integration of the 2 tuck-under acquisitions, the Quad and Greif acquisitions, there was a lot of top line there that came in. And there was pretty modest EBITDA on the way in, which has caused a little bit of a dislocation this year on revenue growth versus EBITDA growth, along with some of the downtime that we had to take to match supply and demand in our cup business. Which is why kind of the ratios this year are a little impacted, but we really like how those 2 acquisitions are playing out. We've made a couple of consolidation moves at the converting plant level. We're integrating the paperboard. We've got a supply agreement with Greif for some of the CRB that nicely unwinds over time that matches up very well with the start-up of the Kalamazoo mill, which will allow us to optimize our own assets there and drive integration rates up. We're operating in the low 70s today in total. And organically, we can see line of sight into the mid to upper 70s over a reasonably short period of time as we drive the projects we just talked about and integrate more of the paperboard internally.

Michael Doss

executive
#31

Yes, and maybe just a little finer point on the point that Steve is making. And we've got 100,000 tons of CRB that we're buying on the outside that we're going to iterate over the next couple of years. And that's, from a value creation standpoint, that will be significant for us.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#32

We actually just got a question in on that point, so maybe I'll jump ahead and insert that here. 100,000 tons incremental shifting from CUK over to SBS due to limited CUK capacity. What, if any, impact is that going to have on how you operate, how you supply customers and margins?

Michael Doss

executive
#33

Yes. So right now, we've got that 100,000 tons running in our coated SBS system. And we're going to need to do that again into '21 because of the demand that we're seeing, the overall growth that we're seeing. And so as we've indicated here on a couple of the calls, we're looking at options with the low-cost pulp that we have around how do we get some more margin on that ultimately by being able to make more CUK. We don't want to make more tons, we want to push it around differently within our overall portfolio. So we're studying a number of different options there, that for a relatively modest investment can create some optionality for us that we can capture. The good news is we've got the demand. And that's why the operating rates on coated SBS have been as strong as they are, because our backlogs are as good now as they've been for the time we've owned that business. And so we have the uncoated side of the business, as Steve mentioned earlier, where we're matching supply and demand based on cup production, but that's something that we can manage. And we would expect that to continue to improve as we get into '21 and into '22 as I mentioned. So that's how we're thinking about it.

Stephen Scherger

executive
#34

Yes. Just to put a finer point on that for Mike. When we refer to pulp that's available, that's pulp that we're currently converting into SBS. And so what we're really looking at is not available pulp, it's pulp that we turn into paperboard today. And what we're looking forward to your question around margins is today, we've pivoted that 100,000 tons of demand from CUK into SBS. We haven't changed our pricing with our customers. Obviously, SBS is a higher-cost product to produce. And what we're looking at is how do you actually margin enhance from there. So are there modest investments you can do to drive the cost structure down to meet the demand and actually generate enhanced margins on the same basic capacity? Because as Mike said, we have no need to bring more capacity on, because we're always looking at how do we mix optimize and drive integration rates across the portfolio of paperboard assets that we have.

Michael Doss

executive
#35

I think that's the point, Mark. When we look out 3 to 5 years, our CUK demand is really solid. And so shift in the portfolio, what products we make, what paperboard we make here in a thoughtful way is something we evaluate all the time to figure out how we do that in a very cost-effective, high ROIC return-type environment.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#36

I'd like to come back to your comment about coated SBS being so strong. Because I think investors don't fully appreciate that sort of the distinction within the bleached board market.

Michael Doss

executive
#37

Yes.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#38

So could you talk a little bit about how bleached board splits between coated and uncoated and why those 2 businesses are actually performing very differently?

Michael Doss

executive
#39

Yes. And so on the coated side, we operate 4 SBS machines. 3 of them are -- 3 of them are coated, 1 of them is uncoated. And of course the coated ones, as we just mentioned, are the ones that we're running the folding carton material in that otherwise would be CUK or SUS, our trademark name. The uncoated is for cup. And you can run cups and some clam shells and some other things, depending on if they're printed or not, on that particular line. It's a great machine. It's a low-cost machine. It's just with the COVID impact on paper cups, both hot and cold, we're matching our supply and demand pretty tightly on that. As Steve mentioned, we don't sell a lot of that material on the outside market. In North America, we virtually sell none. So we have 5 cup plants and we kind of move material in. So yes, it cost us $12 million this year for the downtime that we've taken on 30,000 tons. But that's something that's embedded in our EBITDA, and we would expect that to improve as we go into '21 and '22 as the demand comes up as we won't have to take that downtime. To your question around the coated side, I think if you look at one of our larger competitors tuck a machine out, Graphic has diverted 100,000 tons into our coated lines. And we've kind of mentioned, we see good forecast and demand based on what our look of the markets do based on innovation and the products that we can make here on for CUK. The overall production of paperboard, it might shift a little bit in the case of Graphic in terms of the grades that we're making. But it's all aimed at how do we make the products that have the higher growth rates and the better margins and really take advantage of the assets that we have. Because we've got great assets in our 4 virgin mills, and we want to get more out of them. And we think that that's a little bit misunderstood by the marketplace a little bit there. There seems to be a big concern that there's a cliff coming and something is going to happen. I mean I think the major producers have demonstrated by what we have done this year in terms of matching our supply and our demand along those lines. And that will continue to be our approach here as we go forward.

Stephen Scherger

executive
#40

Yes. And Mark, I know something we've talked about before is one of the things that Mike and I are extremely excited about is this, obviously, we're making some large capital allocation decisions here in '20 and '21 with Kalamazoo specifically. And so cash flow generation is modest. But the spring loaded nature of this in terms of the cash flow that we'll be generating as we round that corner into '22 is very material. I mean you can do the math on $600 million plus of CapEx, moving back down to more normalized levels, and margin enhancement coming from Kalamazoo. You can see that path to material cash flow generation, material cash flow generation in 2022, that is where we see the results of making those investments. And that obviously gives us enormous optionality because we are living with a little more debt now for the right reasons with Kalamazoo and the exiting of the IP partnership, which is methodically taking place. But if you look at the capacity for cash flow generation here, $500 million to $600 million as you look out, that is very powerful as you kind of round the corner on these investments coming to life.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#41

Let's stick with that for a moment, Steve. A number of investors were surprised that you bought stock last quarter in addition to paying the $250 million for the IP stake. So can you share your thoughts about how you were thinking about leverage? I think people were just mostly looking around saying, "Hey, companies with leverage should be careful right now."

Stephen Scherger

executive
#42

Yes. And what it really speaks to it, and Mike can weigh on, I mean it's a conviction statement. If you look at the confidence in our cash flows and the resiliency of this business relative to food, beverage and foodservice consumption and our belief in the intrinsic value of the company, we felt that it was still the right time to continue to repurchase the company when we have a perspective on the future of the business that is quite -- has the appropriate confidence in it. And as we've said, I mean we'll live probably a little outside of our range of 2.5 to 3x, probably be in the low 3s for a 12- to 18-month period of time. But we're borrowing very effectively. We've been in the market several times this year on securing and replacing debt in the 2% to 3% range. And our confidence in the cash flow is as high. And so that's what provided us with the confidence to do what we're doing relative to the forwards for the business, and as I just mentioned, the powerful cash-generating capability that's forthcoming.

Michael Doss

executive
#43

Yes, I think just to add a little bit onto that. If you look to third quarter, we bought back roughly $250 million worth of our stock in addition to the 2 tranches we did with IP. And the purchases that we made in the open market, I think, we averaged around $13.30 in terms of what we were paying for those. So if you compare that against the $14.26 that we did the IP deal at, we're averaging that deal down. We've got a 2% dividend that we pay. If you look at the net on the interest rate on what we've been borrowing the money for, it's a good arbitrage for our shareholders. We certainly aren't cavalier where we look and we talk with our Board of Directors around our leverage ratio. But we also have a really good line of sight to our cash flows and the revenue that we see coming into the business, and to Steve's point, the normalization of CapEx that will occur as Kalamazoo winds down the end of next year. And so we think that that's a prudent allocation for our shareholders, and they'll be happy that we did that over the long term.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#44

So let's just talk about that bridge for a moment. If we think about starting in 2,000 -- sorry, in 2020, we have the IP payments that go out. We have Kalamazoo and the other projects coming in. Can you sort of walk us through the big pieces of that cash flow bridge?

Stephen Scherger

executive
#45

Yes. No, I'll be glad to. I mean if you kind of look at this year's cash flow as we've looked at '20, was kind of leap off into the call it the $200 million to $300 million range, if you look out over the next couple of years, as we talked at the end of Q3, we see organic growth and EBITDA growth continuing into '21. It would obviously then continue into '22. So you've got -- as Kalamazoo comes to life. So you've got ongoing EBITDA growth from our midpoint of this year's number at about $1.70 billion. So continued growth of EBITDA year-over-year, consistent with what we talked about. And then a material step down in the CapEx that's required to support the business down into more normalized levels, which is in more in the mid-3s. You kind of do that, just do the math on that, and you can see a significant step-up in cash flow generation as you kind of have 2 years of modest, and we recognize that, and the patience that that's required from an investor perspective. But then the step-up is quite substantial. Because the non-CapEx cash flow of the business that goes out, interest costs, pension, taxes, it's pretty modest. I mean it's under $200 million. And so you can just do the highest-level math between 1 1 and 1 2 on EBITDA and more normalized CapEx and a more normalized spend for the traditional things that are additional uses of cash, and you can -- the math speaks for itself in terms of what the potential lies ahead.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#46

Right, particularly with the IP stuff out of the way.

Stephen Scherger

executive
#47

Exactly. Because it takes, as you know, that's -- given how we've been doing it, it's a methodical march. That would have a couple of transactions again next year and then probably a cleanup one beyond. And those numbers are pretty obvious. And it's also why we live a little bit above the traditional norms on leverage. But just to finish the point, EBITDA growth from 2018 to '20 is in the 4% range. But EBITDA per share growth is 14%, adjusted EPS growth CAGR 16%. So the leverage that's arriving is not insignificant relative to the value to the shareholder.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#48

Right, Right. Okay. I'm going to go back to the Q&A again. We -- I'm going to have to paraphrase this question because we talked a little bit about the European sustainability driver. How quickly will the U.S. catch up? And does a Biden presidency materially change your view of that speed?

Michael Doss

executive
#49

Yes. I don't think the President really changes our view of that. I think these wheels were in motion and have been in motion for some time. And as I mentioned, I think that delay, that 18- to 24-month delay is pretty relatively consistent on -- along those lines on probably the last decade or so. I think the real question for Graphic is can we go faster with our customers here by being able to move better ideas around faster and execute on with customers. And that's the real opportunity for us. We're investing in resources to be able to do that. I mentioned again we've realigned our innovation and product -- new product development group to be underneath me now. And so it's part of my staff. The leader of that function is part of my staff. So we want that to be able to cut across the enterprise and be able to move quicker. And I think to the degree we're able to be more successful doing that would be more towards the top end of the range that we put out there, and that's really our goal.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#50

Okay. And the next question. Your Kalamazoo mill will have production capabilities that are broader than the mills that they replaced. Are you looking to expand the CRB target market or deliver lighter basis weights to your existing clients?

Michael Doss

executive
#51

Yes. I mean we're going to be able to go down to a 12-point sheet pretty comfortably there in the -- there isn't one in North America that goes down to that level. Having said that, again, every one of those tons is already sold because we got other mills that we'll be shutting down as part of that and more tons that will be coming in as a function of these program we talked about earlier. So what we're going to want to do is mix manage along those lines to make sure that we're driving the most EBITDA through that mill. But over time for sure, we're going to want to leverage the lower basis weights and higher quality that we've got there. And we think there are markets that we can penetrate differently. I would also add that we think we can do that on CUK and we're looking at that as well, some lighter weight options that are capable there for different types of wraps. And the consumer really likes that brown package. To them, that resonates with them as being earthy. We've said before, maybe brown is the new green. And that particular specification seems to really hit the mark with many end-use consumers. So it will be a combination of those 2 things.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#52

The next question, yes, I'm going to paraphrase this one, too. A few years ago, you were talking about Europe as an answer to sluggish CUK market growth in the U.S. Now you can't make enough of it. Has that made Europe less strategically important?

Michael Doss

executive
#53

No, I think just the opposite. I mean we've grown our CUK demand in Europe from, if you go back to 2012, we sold 100,000 tons into that market and didn't make much money on it. Now we've got a converting business there that's approaching $800 million. And this year, we'll ship 230,000 tons over there, and we expect that number to be higher next year. And as Steve mentioned, we do so profitably. So it's really a core integral part of our strategy and why we need to make more CUK over time.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#54

And I think probably the last question we're going to have time for, and you get this question a lot, so I think it's not a bad place to end, is price cost. The company has gotten in trouble with price cost before. You've made some changes. How do you think about both the risk of price cost? And how are you managing it to try to avoid those kinds of issues that we suffered through?

Stephen Scherger

executive
#55

Yes. I mean I think if you look at -- certainly, we had the dislocation well chronicled that you referenced. Since that time, we've made significant moves on compression of lags so that at least twice a year, we're moving prices with customers on an as-needed basis. So the lags have been tightened. I think more relevantly, industry structure, supply/demand, backlogs, operating rates, those are your real indicators of ability to move price through. And on CRB, very well chronicled relative to the supply/demand environment. We've shut down the White Pigeon mill. We have a price increase in the marketplace there that's been partially recognized, and we'll see more of that here probably even this month relative to how that plays out. We've got a CUK price increase that's in the marketplace that we're executing on. So 2 of the 3 substrates have price increases in motion to make sure that any dislocation price cost is shallow and modest, so that over time, we do what we've committed to do, which is to have price/cost be in balance. We've successfully gotten to that point, and we've got to maintain that as we look out. And we've seen some small pockets of inflation. And the minute we see them, you can certainly -- you've seen us be assertive in taking the appropriate reaction so that we keep price cost in the right narrow bands, and over time, offsetting each other.

Mark Connelly

analyst
#56

I think that's an important point. We tend to talk a lot about the shortened lags that you've put in place. But the industry is managing supply and demand in these businesses drastically differently than it was in 2017. So clearly, a healthier approach to supply management is a piece of that solution as well. Well, we are unfortunately out of time. I want to thank you, Mike and Steve. And thank you, everybody, for joining us.

Michael Doss

executive
#57

Thanks, Mark. Really appreciate the time.

Stephen Scherger

executive
#58

Thank you, Mark.

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