Gulf International Services Q.P.S.C. (GISS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
May 10, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorHello, and welcome to the Gulf International Services Conference Call. I would like to advise all participants that this call is being recorded. Thank you. I'd now like to welcome Bobby Sarkar to begin the conference. Bobby, over to you.
Saugata Sarkar
analystThank you, Gillian. Hi, good afternoon, everyone. This is Bobby Sarkar, Head of Research at QNB Financial Services. I wanted to welcome everyone to Gulf International Services First Quarter 2023 Results Conference Call. So on this call from Qatar Energy's Privatized Companies Affairs Group, we have Abdulla Al-Hay, who is the Acting Manager; Sami Mathlouthi, who is the Assistant Manager in Financial Operations; and Rashid Mohannadi, who is the Head of IR and Communications. So we will conduct this conference with the management first reviewing the company's results followed by a Q&A. I would like to now turn the call over to Rashid. Rashid, please go ahead.
Rashid Hamad Al-Mohannadi
executiveThank you, Bobby. Good afternoon and thank you all for joining us. Before we go into the business and performance updates of GIS, I would like to mention that this call is purely for the investors of GIS and no media representatives should be attending this call. Kindly note that the MS Teams link is to display the IR deck on the screen. In case you want to participate in the Q&A session, you must dial in through the telephone lines on the phone numbers provided as part of the invitation. Moreover, please note that this call is subject to the GIS disclaimer statement as detailed on Slide #2 of the IR deck. On Monday 7th of May, GIS published its result for the 3-month period ended 31st of March 2023, and today, in this call, we will go through these results and provide you an update on key financial and operational highlights. Today on this call, along with me, I have Mr. Abdulla Yaqoob Al-Hay, Acting Manager for Privatized Companies Affairs; Sami Mathlouthi, Assistant Manager, Financial Operations in the Privatized Company Affairs department; and [ Saud Abdelghani ], Senior Financial Management Analyst and the Financial Operation within the Privatized Company Affairs department. We have structured our call as follows: at first, I will provide you a quick insight on GIS ownership structure, competitive advantages, overall governance, and BoD structure by covering Slides 5 till 8 and slide 28 and 30. Secondly, Sami, we will brief you on GIS key operational and financial performance matrices. Later, [ Saud ] will provide you with insight on segmented performance. And finally, we'll open the floor for the Q&A session. To start with, as detailed on Slide #8 of the IR deck, the ownership structure of GIS comprises of QatarEnergy with 10% stake being the parent shareholder, whereas GRSI, which is the General Retirement Service Authority (sic) [ General Retirement and Social Insurance Authority ], has a stake of 21.8% stake in our company, and it's the largest shareholder. As detailed on Slide #5, QatarEnergy provides most of the head office function through a Service Level Agreement. The operation of GIS subsidiaries are independently managed by their respective Board of Directors along with senior management team. The BoD structure is detailed on Slide #7 of the IR presentation. In terms of the competitive advantages as detailed on Slide #8, all of GIS group companies are strategically placed, having significant market share in their respective business sectors within Qatar. For example, drilling business is the only Qatari onshore drilling service provider and has more than 50% market share in the offshore drilling service in Qatar. Similarly, the aviation business of GIS is a sole provider of helicopter services in Qatar, oil and gas service sector and being 1 of the largest operator in the MENA region. In terms of the business -- insurance business, it's 1 of the leading medical insurance provider in Qatar. For the catering, the merger of AMWAJ and Shaqab has established a local champion in catering service. All of this is supported by the experienced senior leadership, having expertise in relevant business segments. In terms of the governance structure of GIS, you may refer to Slide 28 and 30 of the IR deck, which covers various aspects of GIS Code of Corporate Governance in detail. I will now hand over to Sami.
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveThank you, Rashid. Good afternoon and thank you all for joining us. Starting with the financial performance updates as detailed on Slide #12. During the first quarter of 2023, the group revenue reached QAR 837 million, was an increase of 18% noted compared to the same period of last year. All business segments witnessed growth in revenue. The group reported an EBITDA of QAR 230 million and recorded a net profit of QAR 9 million for the 3-month period ended 31st of March 2023. As detailed on Slide 14, the group direct cost increased by 18%, which is mainly linked to inclined commercial activity. The rise in interest rate has also negatively impacted the profitability of the group. The first quarter of 2023 finance costs has significantly increased by 128% to reach QAR 67 million. GIS is committed to maintain its financial stability and growth, and it is taking proactive steps to address the impacts of the rise in interest rates on its profitability. Moreover, performance of the insurance segment's investment portfolio was negatively impacted amid volatilities in capital markets and a decline of QAR 28 million, at 71%, was noted on account of investment income versus last year. This decline was mainly linked to unrealized losses booked on revaluation of held-for-trading investment securities. In terms of group financial performance, as detailed on Slide 13, the group total assets remained flat compared to last year and stood at QAR 10.7 billion as of 31st of March 2023. The cash and short-term investment stood at QAR 1.04 billion, down by 9% as compared to 31st of December 2022. The decline in cash and short-term investments was mainly linked to payment of dividends for the financial year 2022. The total debt at the group level amounted to QAR 4.29 billion as at 31st of March 2023. The current levels of debt continue to weigh on the group net earnings as finance cost is 1 of the key cost ingredients and specifically limits drilling segment's ability to accomplish the required profitability. GIS is already at its final stages of finalizing a deal to refinance the existing loan terms with the involved lenders with an aim to provide greater flexibility to manage liquidity and ease pressure on the group financial position. On overall basis, our base case strategy will be to continue to focus on market development by focusing on building our market share, reducing operating costs, and continuing to improve utilization of assets. I would now hand over to [ Saud ] to cover the segmental performance.
Unknown Executive
executiveThank you, Sami. We can start with the drilling segments. As detailed on Slide 17, the drilling segment reported revenue of QAR 337 million for the 3-month period and the 31st of March 2023, up by 5% compared to Q1 2022. Revenue growth has been driven by [ higher ] rig utilization, including deployment of an onshore drilling rig, GDI-8, during Q4 '22. In addition, GDI noted higher revenue from the liftboat segment, as both the liftboats remained fully operational during Q1 2023 versus the same period of last year where one of the liftboats became operational during mid of Q1 2022. The segment reported a net loss of QAR 23 million for the 3-month period ended 31st of March 2023, compared to a net loss of QAR 10 million for Q1 2022. Increase in losses was mainly attributed to the increase on finance costs due to higher interest rates. This was partially offset by a growth in segment's top line. Moving into the aviation segment, as detailed on Slide 20. For the 3-month period ended 31st of March 2023, the aviation segment reported a total revenue of QAR 226 million with an increase of 10% compared to Q1 2022. The increase was mainly attributed to higher flying activity recorded within both domestic and international. Total flying hour increased by 33% on a year-on-year basis, where locally the flying hours increased by 23%, while within the international segment, flying hours increased by 50%. Within international segment, the highest increase was reported from the Turkish operations, mainly as a result of local fleet expansion linked to better market penetration. Also, MRO business remained strong, despite a marginal decline in its top line. Segment net profit reached QAR 82 million, representing an increase of 4% compared to Q1 2022, mainly on account of growth in revenue. Now let's discuss insurance segment. Here important to note that comparative figure for Q1 2022 had been restated on account of adoption of IFRS 17. Revenue has been decreased by QAR 5 million, while net profit has been increased by QAR 29 million. Now moving onto the segmented financial performance. As detailed on Slide 23, revenue within the insurance segment for the 3-month period ended 31st of March 2023 increased by 44% as compared to Q1 2022 to reach QR 273 million. Increase in revenue was mainly linked to winning new contracts within the medical line of business. Segmental net earnings decreased by 29% as compared to Q1 2022 to reach QAR 33 million. The reduction in bottom line profitability was mainly driven by lower investment income recognized from the investment portfolio on account of volatilities in the capital markets, which affected the market-to-market valuations of the investment portfolio. Lastly, let's talk about the catering business, which has been classified as discontinued operation under IFRS 5 and reported separately in the consolidated financial statement. We're reporting [indiscernible] as discontinued operation, for the time being, we considered 100% result for March only. Going forward, once we complete the legal process relating to the merger, we need to consider 30% result of the combined entity with effect from 1st of January 2023, i.e., our share in the combined entity. AMWAJ reported revenue of QAR 119 million, an increase of 4% as compared to Q1 2022. Revenue increase was mainly due to the growth in revenue within the manpower segment. The segment reported a net profit of QAR 5 million for the 3-month period ended 31st March 2023, compared to a net profit of QAR 0.1 million for Q1 2022, mainly due to higher revenues. Now I'll hand over the call to Rashid.
Rashid Hamad Al-Mohannadi
executiveThank you all for presenting the operational and financial performance updates. I think now we can open the floor for the Q&A.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Your first question comes from the line of Talal Samhouri from Aventicum Capital.
Talal Samhouri
analyst[Foreign Language] Sorry, let me speak in English. It was merged with other 2 companies. So how do you record it accounting wise? I've seen profit from discontinued operation QAR 4.7 million. So was it sold out totally or GIS still owns a share of the new combined entity? Second -- hello?
Rashid Hamad Al-Mohannadi
executiveYes, go ahead. We can hear you. Go ahead.
Talal Samhouri
analystOkay. Second, in terms of the GDI utilization, you mentioned that it is now up to 96% rig utilization, but then it says except GDI-4. So can you elaborate a little bit on this? So once GDI-4 gets utilized, so that gets the utilization to 100% or what do you mean by that?
Rashid Hamad Al-Mohannadi
executiveI think I can answer the second question. I'll hand over the first question to Sami here to address. The second question, we may refer you to the slide where we talk about the utilization rates. Basically, our utilization rate is a function of the revenue from the rigs over the contracted rigs. So whenever the rig -- when it's come back on operation and does have a contract, then it gets reflected into the utilization rate. So that's why we are carrying out that we still have GDI-4, it's not yet on operation, but our utilization is high because our utilization will take into account the rate once the rig is in operation. So we have a note there which says, rig utilization equals revenue earning days over days under contract. So I hope that answered your second question. I'll hand it over to Sami to address your first question.
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveRegarding AMWAJ, so as it has been announced beginning of last year that we had the intention to merge with 2 other partners. So this has been finalized, and we got the greenlight from the shareholder of GIS during the AGM that was during March 2023 to go ahead with the merger. So the merger is going on. However, the legal documentation it's a process that needs to take place after getting the approvals from both shareholders. So this has been made as per the IFRS 5 international Accounting Standards. We need to reclassify AMWAJ's investment from assets under discontinued operations, and this has to be reflected in both the balance sheet and the P&L where we have to reclassify our investment in AMWAJ. So at the moment 100% of AMWAJ is reclassified under discontinued operation. We didn't yet took into consideration our shareholding or our share of profit from the combined entities since the combined entity doesn't exist yet legally. This will be done once the shareholder agreement of the combined entity is signed between all the parties. After that we can book the AMWAJ as a joint venture or as an associate of GIS. And this will be done only once the legal process is completed.
Talal Samhouri
analystAs equity method, so you would [ report it ] as an equity method?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveYes, it will move to equity method once we complete the legal process. And in that case, it will be equity method from the combined entity that is including AMWAJ as a holding company, and then underneath AMWAJ, you will have the 2 other companies, Shaqab and Atyab, which will be owned 100% by AMWAJ.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of [ Harveen Singh ] from [ Shariah Capital ].
Unknown Analyst
analystHi, can you hear me?
Rashid Hamad Al-Mohannadi
executiveYour voice is a bit muffled, but we can hear you to some extent.
Unknown Analyst
analystOkay, let me try this. I have a couple of questions. The first question relates to your insurance business, and I wanted to understand if you have some an upside in case we do have a rollout of the mandatory insurance, that's #1? And any guidance on the timeline of it? And the second question relates to your drilling business. What is the maturity on existing contracts and do you see upside in terms of rollover of the rigs from the older pricing regime to a newer pricing regime and how material is that going to be?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveThe mandatory insurance, I think, it has been started already. Al-Koot is 1 of the insurance provider of the mandatory insurance. The company has started already to put in place the team and the system is now is set up to take into consideration the new segment, that is [ developed ]. So this will slightly increase the revenue from the insurance business. However, as you know, this practice is still new in Qatar. So this is the first year that will be applied. And as you know, the insurance, they work always with some calculation based on the history. So at the moment the company is trying to penetrate slightly the segment by assessing the loss that will come from the segment, since the premiums are not high and the premium are dictated by the services that will be provided and by the market, which is people are charging now around QAR 50 per month. It's not a high premium. However, the expected losses are not yet accounted -- are not yet known and all is based on assumptions. So we believe that the company will explore this segment, and hopefully, in the next few quarters, we will see the impact on the revenue and the net profits of Al-Koot. For your second questions, I think, in the rig side, we are dealing with specific customers at the level of renewal, so we have now most of the offshore rigs are renewed for longer-term contracts. Some of them are expiring in 2025 and 2026, and we have only [ 2 ] rigs that are due for renewal during this year or middle of next year. I think we have good relationship with the existing customers. GDI is 1 of the preferred customers in terms of quality of service, in terms of safety records that it provides in the region. GDI has great service that it provides to the customers and it's well recognized and we don't see any issues in terms when it comes to the new wells. And we are trying our best to get the market rates that could improve the net profits of GDI.
Unknown Analyst
analystOkay. Just to follow up on the insurance bit. On the insurance bit, you're saying that it started being implemented, but in terms of the scale of this scheme, have they actually given out the sort of expected losses? And is the combined loss on this -- combined ratio on this going to be materially different from your existing business? Any insight into what you -- how you are thinking about this because it's sort of like a very basic level of scheme and how the enrollment numbers are likely to fare considering it's sort of mandatory?
Rashid Hamad Al-Mohannadi
executiveWell, as you can see from the distribution of revenue in the insurance service, our revenue makes its -- divided between general insurance which is normally in market comes with lower loss ratio. The medical business -- the medical segment in itself, it's coming from more higher loss ratio. However, [ I'll quote ] in the last few years have very well improved its loss ratio especially through much better selection of its customer, much better selection of its contract where we are looking more at the quality of the contract rather than the quantity of the contract. In terms of the mandatory insurance, mandatory insurance is totally different from the medical insurance that we serve because we have been serving in the last decades we have been serving companies and its business-to-business operations. So now we are moving more to another segment where we have to serve individuals. And we -- it's as I said, so it's still new in the country, and we cannot expect with accurate numbers, the expected losses that will come from those insurance contracts.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Lee Beswick from QNB.
Lee Beswick
analystWould it be possible to publish a timetable of the dates for the contract renewal for the rigs? I understand you wouldn't want to publish the rates that you're -- day rates that you're receiving because that's commercially sensitive information, but could you give us an idea or a very clear timetable of when the rigs are going to be renewed on the GDI website?
Rashid Hamad Al-Mohannadi
executiveLee, as we said, I think even in our previous calls, we don't disclose those detailed timetable on how our rigs will become renewed. In our calls, we provide some information about the rigs, about the date of the contract. So as I said in my answer previously, to [indiscernible] that our -- some of the rigs are extended until '25 to '26. So we have around 4 rigs. And out of the existing rigs, we have 2 rigs that they are due to renewal during this year and next year. But providing exactly detailed information when they expire of which rig could affect as well the -- our commercial discussions with our customers since we are not the only provider of the service in Qatar. And we always would like to disclose general information about this.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of [ Nikhil Phutane ] from [ CBFS ].
Unknown Analyst
analystWell, I've got a couple of questions. This is regarding your Drilling segment. You did mention that your finance cost has increased quite drastically during this quarter. I mean, that is the only reason for the losses to come about because what we understand from the past few, I mean con calls, you did mention that your operational cost is coming down, and we could be seeing the same trend continuing in the current year. So I just wanted to get an idea on this. My second question has got to do with your Aviation segment. Your revenue per aircraft has been showing a good progressive increase during 2022. But of late has seen signs of stabilization, say, fourth quarter, first quarter of 2023. Do you think that this is what we could assume to continue to stay, especially in the international operations or you could be seeing better margins to support the continued growth in revenues for aircraft operations?
Rashid Hamad Al-Mohannadi
executiveI'll take your first question and then try to answer that and then maybe Sami can chip in and answer your second question. Majority of the cost lying within GDI is due to the increase in finance cost. The company, as you know, has a significant debt in its own books. And we've seen so this year also a hike in the interest rate. Last year, you've seen basically different kind of interest rates compared to this year. So the hike in the interest rate has basically eaten away some of the profit we made at the net profit level. So therefore, that's the majority of the impact. And we mentioned that during our speech earlier. I hope I answered your first question. I think Sami can take over the second question regarding the aviation and its profit evolution in the future.
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveSo I think for both Helicopter the revenue is increasing. So if we look at the revenue increase compared to Q1 2022 so we had a good increase in terms of revenue. So I think doing the average of the revenue by the number of aircraft, I think it will not give you a good indication about the inflow in the business since the business is constituted from various segments. So we have to look at the Aviation segment. We have the training and the MRO businesses as well, which is not related to the aviation in itself. So I think if we want to analyze this business, so we need to analyze, first of all, the increase in flying hours. So flying hours has increased tremendously compared to last year, and that has impacted the revenue. So the flying hour has increased by 33%. The revenue has increased from QAR 106 million to QAR 226 million. And again, so this from a number of 6 aircrafts to 61 aircraft. So the nature of the business in itself in Gulf Helicopter is based on 2 components. So you have the Aviation segment, which is based on 2 components, which is the fixed part, and then the variable part, which is based on the flying hours. So I think making just an average revenue divided by the number of aircrafts will not give you a good indication about the healthiness of the business.
Unknown Analyst
analystOkay. Just I mean to highlight the Turkey earthquake that took place did that also help in the first quarter was negatively impacted. Can you highlight on this? What happened in the first quarter?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveYes, the Turkey operation has contributed by around QAR 15 million in terms of revenue, in terms of total revenue. And I think the main increase in revenue and in the net profit is coming from the Turkey operation.
Unknown Analyst
analystOkay. I mean -- but it's not one-time? I mean it could be recurring that nothing got to do with the earthquake that took place?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveIt's not a one-time. So the Turkey operation has increased. We had an additional aircraft that is allocated to the Turkey base. And that has improved the flying hours in Turkey and then it has improved as well the revenue by around QAR 15 million, as I said in the beginning and this will continue. I think the Turkish business has been improving despite the economical issues that is happening in Turkey and which in some cases, impacting the net profit of GIS either follow the application of IAS 29, which is the inflation or the FX impact, which is impacting as well the conversion of the net profits of Turkey to Qatar. But in general, the business as a standalone is improving, is progressing, and it's contributing positively to the performance of Gulf Helicopter in general and to GIS generally as well.
Unknown Analyst
analystOkay. Okay. Fine. Just a slight different question. On your balance sheet, I just wanted to know what are your current investments held for sale shown on to your current assets.
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveYes. That's relating to Amwaj. I think I reply to the question of Talal in the beginning. It's in relation to the application of IFRS 5 on the major transaction for Amwaj. So Amwaj as you know, since it has been announced as -- it will merge with another company, as per IFRS 5 as per as the International Financial Standards, we cannot continue to consolidate Amwaj as it is and all the operation of Amwaj, including the profit, the expenses and all the components of the balance sheet has to be separated from the normal activities. And hence, we have that amount that you will see in the balance sheet and in the profit and loss as well.
Unknown Analyst
analystOkay. So you are saying that in the first quarter, as of now, it has not been shown, but likely that in the second quarter, it will get reflected in the profit-loss statement which indirectly means for the first half, right, overall?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveYes, depending, as I said in my -- in the call in the beginning. So once the legal documentation is completed, once the new merged entity is set up and it's fully operational so we will record Amwaj not as per IFRS 5, but Amwaj will be recorded as per the equity method. So it will be shown as a one line in the profit and loss. It's our share of profits from the joint venture from the combined entity. It will be taken as 30% from the profit of the new combined entity. That's what you will see in the profit and loss. And then in the balance sheet, you will see as well on line. So it will show as equity accounting. That's our 30% in the combined entity.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Your next question comes from the line of Talal Samhouri from Aventicum Capital.
Talal Samhouri
analystSorry again for coming in for more questions. I have few more questions. In terms of geographical distribution of the Drilling business, can this be provided or also this is not allowed. Second question is, if you have any plans to expand or buy new rigs? Can you please elaborate on that? That's it for now?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveYes, geographical distribution Talal, I think it's very obvious. So I would say 99% or 98% of the total revenue is from Qatar. The rest, it's -- we have 2 [indiscernible], one in Saudi Arabia and the second one is in Maldives and those are contributing marginally to the revenues of the company. But you can assume that most of the revenue are coming from Qatar.In terms of future growth, Talal well. So this is as part of the negotiation that we are having with the lenders. So this is a matter dating to the loan and to the structure of the loan of GDI. It's -- for sure, this would be part as well of the discussion that we are having. At the moment, we cannot disclose any information in that discussion. There is still confidential internal discussion that we are having with all the stakeholders. Once we are an agreement, we will disclose everything relating to the structure of the loan, including if there is any potential growth or any potential acquisition of rigs in the future. But with the existing rigs, I think GDI is capable of generating positive cash flows. The only issue that we have at the moment, which is affecting the profitability is the interest rate.
Rashid Hamad Al-Mohannadi
executiveI think what Sami meant here is basically we are cautious of the growth plan. Once we implement the growth plan, we want to make sure it's sustainable, and it will support the company since the company right now is suffering from significant debt built in its books. And we -- yes, we are ambition. But at the same time, we are considering this in the context of the debt existing debt, etcetera. So in that context, we are looking at it. As of now, we have no plans to expand as we stand. And maybe we'll be in a better stance to discuss this once that restructuring is done, and we have more of a clarity on our future cash flows, etcetera.
Talal Samhouri
analystOne last question, if you don't mind. In terms of the Qatar Energy expansion in North Field East and South, how many rigs do they need in your estimate, if I don't know if you've done this study? Hello?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveSo currently, what we have is 5 rigs operating as part of the Qatar Energy plans to expand. In terms of the future requirement, we don't have clarity on what could be the potential. However, we are keeping our eyes open for any opportunity that might come along. And we'll definitely be on that list when it comes to tendering those rigs, etcetera, and we'll competitively bid to basically get awarded.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of [ Nicole Pepane ] from [ CBFS ].
Unknown Analyst
analystYes, I mean such a follow-up question on the last question, which was mentioned in terms of your borrowings and other things. We have seen that your borrowings, yes, of course, has been stabilized over the last few quarters. But on the other side, you also see you have got a lot of investment, financial investments, cash and bank balances, which have been growing. Do you see that you could to a certain extent, given the fact that you have mentioned no CapEx plan is yet reduction from there and so that your overall cost of borrowing comes down because ultimately, your return on investment is quite low, my understanding as compared to your cost of borrowings. So can you just explain how -- will you take that route?
Rashid Hamad Al-Mohannadi
executiveI think, Nicole, we are basically mixing 2 things together. The investment is lying within the insurance segment because it's part of the requirement of the insurance company to have certain investment portfolio as part of the regulation imposed by Central Bank, those insurance companies, they should have investment portfolio. At GIS level, we don't have investment and less expect -- less than what we own in those subsidiaries -- as ownership, direct ownership and those companies we have. In terms of the cost of debt, the debt currently sits at GDI level. We have no debt at GIS level, and we have to be clear on this. So whatever we are talking about right now in terms of constraints, the constraints lies within GDI business. And that's why when we talk about GDI expansion of fleet, we look at it in the context of restructuring the debt of GDI and how GDI will be sustainable in terms of repaying its loan, it's principle, it's future cash flow, etcetera. And this is what is under discussion right now. We made some progress. We cannot disclose this information until we signed the document with the lenders and then we'll be in a position to give some kind of a disclosure on this and how this could eventually evolve or help the business to basically lift that burden of debt gradually somehow with the structure, we will agree with them. So this is what we can disclose so far. I hope that answered your question.
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveAnd regarding, I think the cash that we have, so the total cash that we have as Mohammed explained. So this is based on the cash, which is -- part of it is at the holding level and the other part is distributed at the group company level. So we -- the cash -- we can't use that cash to restructure basically the loan. But that's -- the cash should be used as a buffer in case of anything happening. GIS last year has distributed dividend in relation to the results of 2022 which I think it's around QAR 187 million. And that's from the cash that we are having at the head office. I think the strategy of the company is to keep part of the cash that we have. And then the group companies, they need to have a buffer as well of cash, which is at the group company level, and it cannot be used to pay the debt for one of the other group companies.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] There are no further questions at this time. I turn the call back over to Bobby.
Saugata Sarkar
analystOkay. Thank you, Jillian. If there are no further questions, we can end the call for today. I want to thank Sami, Rashid and Saud for taking the time to answer our questions. And we will pick this up next quarter. Thank you everyone.
Rashid Hamad Al-Mohannadi
executiveThank you, Bobby, and thank you, everyone, for attending.
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveThanks, everyone. Thank you.
Operator
operatorThis concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.
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