Gulf International Services Q.P.S.C. (GISS) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
May 7, 2024
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Operator
operatorThank you for standing by, and welcome to the Gulf International Service First Quarter 2024 Results Call. This call is being recorded. I would like to welcome Bobby Sarkar from QNB FS to begin the call. Bobby, over to you.
Bobby Sarkar
analystThank you, [ Polly ]. Hi, hello, everyone. This is Bobby Sarkar, Head of Research at QNB Financial Services. I wanted to welcome everyone to Gulf International Services First Quarter 2024 Results Conference Call. So on this call from QatarEnergy's Privatized Companies Affairs Group we have Abdulla Al-Hay, who is the Manager of Privatized Companies Affairs; we have Sami Mathlouthi, who is the Assistant Manager in Financial Operations; and we have Saoud Abdul Ghani who is the Senior Financial Management Analyst. So we will conduct this conference with management first reviewing the company's results, followed by Q&A. I would like to now turn the call over to Sami. Sami, please go ahead.
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveThank you, Bobby. Good afternoon, and thank you, all, for joining us. Before we go into the business and performance updates of GIS, I would like to mention that this call is purely for the investors of GIS and no media representatives should be attending this call. Moreover, please note that this call is subject to GIS's disclaimer statements, as detailed on Slide #2 of the IR deck. On Tuesday, April 30, GIS published its results for the year-ended 31st of March, 2024. And today, in this call we will go through these results and provide you with an update on the key financial and operational highlights. Today on this call, along with me I have Mr. Abdulla Yaqoob Al-Hay, Manager of Privatized Companies Affairs; and Mr. Saoud Abdul Ghani, Senior Financial Management Analyst. We have structured our call as follows. At first, I will provide you with a quick insight on GIS ownership structure, competitive advantages and overall governance structure by covering Slides 6 till 8 and Slides 28 and 29. Secondly, I will take you into GIS key financial and operational performance [ metrices ]. Later Saoud will provide you with segmental performance and review. And finally, we'll open the floor for Q&A session. To start with, as detailed on Slide #6 of the IR deck, the ownership sector of GIS comprises of QatarEnergy with 10% stake being the parent shareholder, well as GLSI was 22% stake is the largest shareholder. As detailed on Slide #5, QatarEnergy provides most of the head office functions throughout service level agreement. The operation of GIS subsidiaries are independently managed by their respective Board of Directors, along with the senior management team. The BD structure is detailed on Slide #7 of the IR presentation. In terms of competitive advantage, as detailed on Slide #8, all of GIS group companies are strategically placed, having significant market share in their respective business sectors within Qatar. For example, drilling segment is the only [ Qatari ] onshore drilling service provider and we have more than 50% market share in the offshore drilling service in Qatar. Similarly, the aviation business of GIS is the sole provider of helicopter services in Qatar oil and gas service sector and being one of the largest operator in the MENA region. In terms of insurance business, Alkoot is one of the leading medical insurance providers in Qatar. For the catering, the merger of Amwaj and Shaqab has established a permanent local champion in catering services. All of this is supported by an experienced senior leadership having expertise in the relevant business segments. In terms of governance structure of GIS, you may refer to Slides 28 and 29 of the IR deck, which covers various aspects of GIS code of corporate governance in detail. Starting with the financial performance updates. As detailed on Slide #12, during the first quarter of 2024, the group revenue reached QR 940 million with an increase of 12% noted compared to the same period of last year. All business segments witnessed growth in revenue compared to last year, supported by improved day rates, higher asset utilization from the aviation and drilling segments, and higher flying hours in addition to improved premiums from the insurance segment. The group reported an EBITDA of QR 268 million and recorded a net profit of QR 161 million for the 3 months period on the 31st of March, 2024. Growth in the group revenue coupled with a reduction in finance costs by 49% on the back of the new debt restructure contributed positively to the group profitability. Now we can move to the quarter-over-quarter comparison. Revenue for Q1 2024 increased by 4% compared to fourth quarter 2023, mainly on account of higher revenue reported from the aviation segment due to higher revenue from the domestic and MRO segments, in addition to higher revenue from the drilling segment due to the Rumaila commencing operations starting mid-March of this year. On the other hand, net profit of QR 161 million was reported during Q1 2024, as compared to a net loss of QR 23 million during the previous quarter. Significant increase by 801%. This increase in group net profitability was mainly due to higher profitability from the aviation segment, due to increase in revenue and lower net monetary losses arising from the accounting impact of hyperinflation from Gulf Helicopter Turkey subsidiaries. While the drilling segment reported profit compared to loss in the previous quarter mainly due to lower direct costs associated with lower maintenance costs and lower G&A expenses in addition to lower finance costs amid the debt restructure and one-off upfront fees related to the debt restructure paid in the previous quarter. Moreover, loss of QR 27 million was reported in the previous quarter as a result of the merger of Amwaj subsidiary. I will now hand over to Saoud to cover the segmental review.
Saoud Abdul Ghani
executiveThank you, Sami. Moving on to the segmental revenue and starting with the drilling segment. As detailed on Slide 17, the drilling segment reported a revenue of QR 355 million for the 3 month period ended 31st of March, 2024, up by 5% compared to last year. Revenue growth has been driven by higher revenue from the offshore segment mainly due to higher management fees for certain rigs within the JV and the poor day rate for the offshore rigs this half. Moreover, the onshore segment also contributed positively to the revenue growth due to the deployment of the onshore drilling rig GDI-4 during late Q3 2023. The segment reported a net profit of QR 18 million for the 3 month period ended 31st March, 2024, compared to a net loss of QR 23 million for the first quarter. Profit reported was mainly attributed to the growth in revenue and reduction in finance costs by 49%, due to lower interest rates amid the [ debt ] structure. On a quarter-on-quarter basis, the company reported a net profit of QR 18 million, compared to a net loss of QR 14 million in the previous quarter. Profit reported was mainly due to reduction in direct costs, due to lower maintenance costs, in addition to lower finance costs and lower G&A expenses as compared to the previous quarter. Moreover, Rumaila commenced operations during mid-March of this year, which contributed positively to the revenue growth. Moving into the aviation segment. As detailed on Slide #20, the aviation segment recorded a total revenue of QR 270 million for the 3 month period ended 31st March, 2024, marking an increase of 19% compared to the corresponding period in the previous year. The increase was mainly attributed to higher flying activity recorded within both domestic and international operations. Total flying hour increased by 14% on a year-on-year basis, while locally the flying hour increased by 8%, while within the international segment flying hour increased by 23%. Within the international segment, the increase was mainly reported from the Turkish operation, in addition to the contracts in Oman and Dubai which were not present during the first quarter of 2023. During this period, the aviation segment achieved a net profit of QR 100 million, marking a strong increase of 22% compared to the corresponding period in the previous year. This increase in profit can be largely attributed to the revenue expansion witnessed across both the domestic and international segments. Moving into quarter-over-quarter. The segment revenue for the first quarter 2024 versus the previous quarter increased by 14%, mainly due to the additional revenue reported from the domestic and MRO segment. Q1 2024 profitability increased significantly, mainly due to improved revenue, lower net monetary losses recorded in the current quarter compared to the previous quarter arising from the accounting impact of hyperinflation in Turkey and reduction in direct costs mainly related to maintenance and staff costs. Now moving to the insurance segment. As detailed on Slide #23, revenue within the insurance segment for the 3 month period ended 31st March, 2024, increased by 15% as compared to last year to reach QR 315 million. Increase in revenue was mainly linked to renewal of major contracts within the energy and medical line of business. On the contrary, the segmental net earnings decreased by 11% as compared to the previous year to reach QR 31 million. The decrease in bottom line profitability was mainly driven by increase in re-insurance cost, which was partially offset by improved revenue and higher investment income recognized from the investment portfolio, and account of favorable movement in the capital market, which positively affected the market-to-market valuation of the investment portfolio. On a quarter-over-quarter basis, the segment revenue for the third quarter decreased marginally by 2%, however, segmental profitability for the first quarter increased significantly by 59%, mainly due to lower net gains reported, which was partially offset by lower investment income during the third quarter. To conclude with the catering segment. As detailed on Slide 26, the catering segment reported a share of revenue of QR 107 million compared to revenue of QR 119 million in the previous year. It's important to note that last year revenue included 100% Amwaj ownership, however, current year revenue considers only 30% share of revenue post-merger. The segment reported a share of net profit of QR 10 million as compared to QR 5 million in the previous year. Increase in net profit is mainly driven by the impact of the new merger of Shaqab and Atyab. I'll now hand over to Sami.
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveOkay. Now we can open the floor for the Q&A.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Mark [ Crombus ] from TFI.
Unknown Analyst
analystJust had a question about the drilling segment. Obviously, you've got -- you've mentioned in your presentation that there's one of the boats that started. But I just wanted to get an idea of your outlook for revenue growth overall for the portfolio in both repricing and improved utilization? If you could just give us some color on that, please?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveOkay, sure. Thank you for the question. I think we'll start, first of all, that all of the offshore and onshore rigs are fully contracted and are fully generating revenues. So the latest one which was not contracted, now it's starting operations during this Q1 2024. In terms of evolution of revenues, so as you can see, so we were able to renew some of the contracts during last year with better rates. Other contracts, other rigs, they're still under the old contracts, while pricing is still not updated. So in terms of contract expiry, so we have one offshore rig coming to expiry during this year, at the end of the year, so on 31st of December. It's under discussion now with the customer, and we are discussing the renewal, and we are discussing as well the possibility of increasing the day rate. In 2025, we have -- most of the offshore fleet will come for renewal during that year. So we have around 3 rigs -- 3 offshore rigs to be renewed during that time. So we are hoping that by that time, we'll be able to increase the day rates, which will have an impact on the increase of revenue, because as you can see, so the revenue is dependent on 2 things. So first of all, utilization, and the second aspect is the daily rate. Utilization, I think there is no issue with that at this stage. The main point that will impact the revenue now is the increase in daily rates, which we are working on.
Unknown Analyst
analystHow much would the commencement of operation of Rumaila move the dial? Like, how much would that contribute, do you expect, for this year's -- in terms of revenue growth?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveWell, I think Rumaila is not an offshore rig in itself. So Rumaila is one of the liftboats. The daily rates of liftboats are not significant if you compare it to the offshore rigs. It will have an impact, but it's not that amazing impact that will change the revenue to a huge level.
Unknown Analyst
analystOkay. And were there any other sort of higher-priced rentals this year? Like -- Or should we just assume that the Q1 revenues should remain constant until you get the repricing in the following years when they come up for renewal?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveYes. I think Q1 could be slightly different, but I think you need to highlight -- we need to highlight as well that Rumaila started at the end of Q1 2024. So there will be some kind of revenue that should be reflected in Q2 as well, which was not there in the beginning of Q1. So I think a small increase in Q1 will be reflective of what could be expected during the year.
Unknown Analyst
analystAnd do you think that the rig which you're negotiating that expires its contract at the end of this year, what kind of uplift might you expect in line with sort of markets improvement in your sphere? What kind of uplift might you expect?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveYes. I think if we look at what we have, what is the average and the spectrum we have today, so we are speaking about day rates between USD 70,000 to USD 90,000 per day for the fleet we have today. So our objective, it's always to find out the highest rate that we could achieve, which is, I would say, 10% to 15% from the existing rates.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Nafez Alabbas from Ajeej Capital.
Nafez Alabbas
analystI just wanted to get your view on, recently there was a contract in Qatar by, I think QatarEnergy to [ ADES], and I just wanted to get your input if you guys bid on that as well or not, or you're not active currently seeking to win more contracts until maybe you secure more assets? So just to get your view on that?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveI think we are tendering on every rig in Qatar. But I think if you are referring to another competitor, I think we don't comment on this kind of information. So for us, we tender. We have the experience in getting markets in Qatar. All our fleets are already used, are already contracted. So if another competitor were able to get a market or to get a small share of that, at the moment this is not impacting our market share. We are still the existing market share that we have. So this will have no impact I think on the operations of GDI.
Nafez Alabbas
analystMy last question, if you allow me, is on the JV rig. I mean, is there any update about the negotiations with Seadrill? Because I know last year, they announced publicly that they might want to sell the rigs that they have in the JV. I just wanted to get an update if you have any input to any developments on it?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveI think the latest update is from Seadrill, because these -- so the JV I think for everyone understanding as well, is operating 5 offshore rigs. So 3 rigs are owned by Seadrill and another 2 rigs owned by another Chinese shipyard. It's correct, I think last year at Seadrill they have announced that they are intending to sell their rigs, but so far there is nothing concrete, so we haven't seen anything from Seadrill's side. From our side, I think we were able at GDI, at the Gulf Drill level, the joint venture level, we were able to extend the contract for another up to 2 years. So some of the JV rigs have been extended to mid-2025, beginning of 2026, with better rates compared to the rates that we had before. The question of the rigs and the ownership, that's another matter, and it can be disclosed, I think, by Seadrill based on their updates that they will have on the rigs. But the rigs have been extended up to [ 2026 ].
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Zohaib Pervez from Al Rayan Investment.
Zohaib Pervez
analystWhat are your day rates for offshore and onshore segments?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveSorry, sorry again? What day rates?
Zohaib Pervez
analystWhat are the day rates -- what are the current day rates for offshore rigs and onshore rigs?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveYes. We provide averages -- not exactly averages, but we can tell you from where to where. As I said in the beginning of the call, so basically our rates are from [ USD 70,000 to USD 90,000 ] for the offshore. For the onshore rigs, I would say from USD 19,000 up to USD 25,000 per day. So that's the average rate that we have paid.
Zohaib Pervez
analystAnd did you have a look -- I mean recently as one of the other participants also mentioned that a recent contract was awarded in Qatar. Did you have a comparison of what day rates they are receiving and what could be -- at the end of the negotiation probably you can have the same kind of day rate provided your rigs have the same specs? Did you have a look at those numbers?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveLook, we have a look -- I think we don't have the ability to have a look at those rates unless others or any listed company or any competitor would disclose those rates to the market. Otherwise, we don't have those things. But internally, of course, we have records of our external advisors to collect data regarding the market, regional market and international market. And we try to benchmark as well our rates against those available studies. But again, so rates could be different for many reasons. So you need to take into consideration the technical specs of the rig. You need to take into consideration the length of the contract. You need to take into consideration the terms and conditions of the contract and as well the content of the revenues because in some cases the day rate is including some components that are not mentioned and that -- for example, the moving of the rig, mobilization, sometimes catering, so it's part of the revenue. So we need to be a little bit careful as well from the rates that are announced publicly because sometimes it doesn't reflect the correct benchmark.
Zohaib Pervez
analystI mean, just to let you know, there is a company called ADES in Saudi Arabia.
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveWe know it very well. Yes.
Zohaib Pervez
analystThey have announced this [ QR 350 million ] contract, 1-year firm, 18-year optional. So that's what the contract is all about.
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveYes. That's why I mentioned it in the beginning, when it's listed company, so basically, it's available on the public.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Nikhil Phutane from CBFS.
Nikhil Phutane
analystI mean, my couple of questions. The first one actually, just mentioned about your joint venture with Seadrill and from mid-2025 to 2026 you could be again renegotiating the rates. You mentioned about better rates than 2024. Am I right in this?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveYour voice was not clear, Nikhil.
Nikhil Phutane
analystNo, I was just saying in terms of your joint venture with Seadrill, you mentioned that you have given in terms of rates better deals which could be there as compared to 2024 for the ones which are coming up in mid-2025 to 2026. So is that right?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveYes. That's correct. So all the 5 rigs have been renewed for another term. I think if you turn back to the initial setup of the JV, the joint venture has been set up for a period of 2.5 years with an option to extend. And the rigs have started in different timings. So 2 rigs have started in the end of 2020 and 3 rigs started in the beginning of 2021. So that's why we have the rigs coming to expiry dates at different dates. But then all the rigs have been extended in 2024 for a better rate. And the new expiry date today is mid-2025 and some of the rigs in the beginning of 2026.
Nikhil Phutane
analystRegarding your aviation segment, I mean, overall, it looks like other things -- domestic has been doing well, but MRO maintenance has -- to a certain extent has come down as against the normal run rate, which we have seen earlier in, say, the second, third quarter of 2023. So I mean, any reason behind that?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveYes. I think, first of all, looking at the helicopter business, and as you mentioned, the business is doing very well. And in terms of variable, let's say, aspect, so flying hours has been increased a lot compared to last year at both domestic side and international side. MRO business is depending on the existing contracts that we have with outside people because we do MRO as well for our own aircraft. But again, so depending -- So one of the contracts has been demobilized for MRO and that's the main reason for the decline in the MRO business. But again, the contribution of the MRO business, it's good, but it will not have a huge impact in terms of the revenue and the net profit.
Nikhil Phutane
analystLastly, on your catering segment, sir, I mean -- thanks for giving us a breakup under your Amwaj. I mean, can we have a similar breakup for second quarter, third quarter of 2023, if possible, so that we can have better understanding going forward? Also, I mean, we are seeing that compared to fourth quarter 2023, the margins have fallen in first quarter 2024. I mean, what is the reason? I mean, any unlikely run rate for the net margins in the current -- in the next quarter?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveOkay. Let me give some updates about the catering business. So the catering business up to 31st of December 2022, so Amwaj was 100% owned by GIS. And during 2023, we entered into an agreement with Shaqab, with other partners, the owner of Shaqab and Atyab. And we merged together with effective date is the 1st of January, 2023. Okay? That for accounting reasons, the consolidation of Amwaj in itself -- the new Amwaj holding started only with the first meeting of the Board meeting of the new entity, which is 16th of October, 2023. So basically, however, we have accrued the benefits in Amwaj during the first 3 quarters of 2023. But that accrue is included as part of the retained earnings. So that's why when you look at the comparison, you will see that the comparison is the consolidated Q1 2024. It's against the standalone of Q1 2023. Okay. So basically, you are comparing our share of revenue and our share of profit, which is the 30% compared to 100% of the revenue and the net profit of Amwaj, okay? So obviously, we will continue to provide you with the comparatives, with the disclosure that we believe it will help the shareholders to understand the business. But I think it will be more reflective and it will be more comparable during Q4 2024 to have a better comparison so that you compare consolidated to consolidated.
Nikhil Phutane
analystAnd I mentioned about margins in the first quarter 2024, we see that it has fallen as compared to first -- fourth quarter of 2023. Any reason behind it? We can say this is a run rate?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveMargin -- look, to be honest with you, so today, I will look at this business from our share of profit standpoint of view. So we are not active in this kind of business. And that was the main reason for us basically to merge with another participant, who are more business oriented, and who are in the business of catering as well. So today, I compare it -- Last year, I was able to make only QR 5 million net profit. Today, I'm doubling my net profit by 100%. So I think that's how we look at this from terms of profitability side. Margins, I think it's discussed at the Board level, it's discussed at the entity level. But again, even though the business is changing in terms of structure. So today, the new Amwaj business, it's no more as only as catering business. So Amwaj, it's business, it's accommodation, it's procurement, so it's manpower. So all of that together, obviously, they will not have the same kind of net profit margin. But I believe from even net profit margin point of view, the new business will provide better profit margin compared to what has been provided before.
Nikhil Phutane
analystSo I mean, basically, it's an NFE project, which is going on, I mean, and given the fact that GIS is part of it, we could be seeing going forward margins, at least sustaining are going much more higher than what we saw in first quarter?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveWell, I think it will have an impact. So I think this business will grow to a certain level, because today, as we said, accommodation is the main pillar of this, of the new Amwaj. So accommodation is basically -- it will depend as well from the development of the NFE project. But again, so it's a business that will grow based on the development in this project.
Operator
operatorYour next question comes from the line of Ashish Agarwal from TFI.
Ashish Agarwal
analystI'm Ashish Agarwal from TFI Research. So 3 questions from my side, actually. The first 2 pertains from the drilling segment. I was looking at your financial statements and I noticed that your revenues from the Gulf Drill, JV with Seadrill -- sorry, the profits from Gulf Drill, JV with Seadrill has dropped substantially. So if you can perhaps throw some light on that? I can see that last year you did around QR 30 million. And this year it's -- this quarter it is [ QR 1.2 million ] -- [ QR 1.237 million ]. So if you can throw some light on that? That is the first question. Second, I want to know is -- if you can let me know if there are any planned turnarounds in the -- for this year and next year in the drilling segment? That is the second question with respect to the drilling. And my final question is, I noticed a change in the flying hours that you have reported in the presentation. Last year you have reported -- Just a second. The flying hours for the first quarter '23 are different. It's 5,196 that you had reported last time as first quarter '23 flying hours. And this year it's a different figure. So, I mean, there is a different -- first quarter '23 flying hours are different. So if you can please just let me know why the flying hours have changed, because that's impacting my model? That's it from my side.
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveYes, sure. Thank you for the questions. So starting from the first one, the joint venture, that's correct. So as I mentioned in my call, the beginning of this call, in the joint venture, so the agreement has expired. So -- and when we say the agreement, so it's both sides. The joint venture is set up as providing drilling services to some of the customers in Qatar. And the initial set up of the joint venture was that all the contracts will be for 2.5 years. And Gulf Drill were able to have the revenue contracts for 2.5 years. And at the same time, the [ BellBoat ] contract was as well for 2.5 years. So at that time, the [ BellBoat ] charges were at their lowest level and for the only reason that the revenue and the day rates are at their lowest side as well. So if you remember, starting from 2020, we had the Corona environment and then the oil prices were at their lowest. In 2024, we were able to negotiate new rates with our customer in terms of revenue side. But at the same time, the day rates for the [ BellBoat ] has increased as well with almost the same, let's say, percentage of the revenue. At the same time as well, GDI have increased its management fees that are charged to the joint venture. So what happened, the revenue has increased. The management fees that GDI is charging to the joint venture has increased as well. And then the [ BellBoat ] charges have increased. So that's why this has an impact on the profitability of the joint venture. But when we look at that from the side of GDI level, so I think GDI is making almost the same profit as before. Because after increasing the management fees from USD 45,000 per day to almost USD 65,000 per day, so we were able to generate additional profit margins at the GDI level, not at the joint venture level. That's for the first question. For the plant turnaround, so we're not expecting anything for 2024. Except for the onshore we have some of the rigs that will be under maintenance. Offshore rigs, none of the rigs will be maintained. But in 2025, we have only one offshore rig that will have 45 days of shutdown during Q1 2025. And then in the second quarter of 2025 as well, we have another rig that will have an [ SPS ] as well. So in total, 2 offshore rigs, but in 2025, between Q1 and Q2. That's for the second question. In terms of the third question and the change in flying hours, the main reason is to include the flying hours for the fixed wing, which were not there before. Because in the beginning, fixed wing was not a big part of the operations of the helicopter business. So now I think we are increasing that segment. And then we started to track that segment, and we're including the flying hours for that segment. That's why you are seeing the changes in the comparative numbers, but -- so that we compare apple to apple.
Ashish Agarwal
analystOn the first question, you summarized very well that there are a number of positives in the Seadrill joint venture. So is there a way to quantify all those positives? Could it be possible for you to give us some color on the total expected profits from Seadrill?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveI think it's done at the GDI level, because today when you look at GDI, you will see that there is an improvement in the net profit as well compared to last year. So that part, it's including some of the benefits which are coming from the increase in the management fees. And I quantified that in the beginning, and I told you, in average we have increased the management fees from USD 45,000 to around USD 65,000 per day. So I think you can make the calculation for 5 rigs. That will have some impact, and then maybe you can deduct some inflation.
Ashish Agarwal
analystAnd I think the last bit was I think on the planned turnaround in FY'24 and FY'25 for the [indiscernible] drilling segment.
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveYes. We stated that during 2024, none of the offshore rigs is going for maintenance. 2025 Q1 we have one rig, 45 days, and Q2 we have 45 days as well for the second offshore rig.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] And your next question comes from the line of, apologies, Talal Samhouri from Aventicum Capital.
Talal Samhouri
analystI'm just wondering, what are the capacity for -- in terms of hours for the aviation segment? I mean, it's been growing at double-digits for the past 2 quarters. And I was wondering, is there like a total capacity in terms of hours -- maximum hours, or flying hours for that? That's my first question. And my second question -- okay, you can answer. Go ahead.
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveYes. I think, first of all, Gulf Helicopter is the only service provider for helicopter businesses in Qatar. And any capacity that will be generated in Qatar, so we must be able to provide that service for our customers. So that's number one. So I think if there is any increase in terms of demand, we will try to find out how we can provide that service for the customer. I will build on that. So we started already from 2 years. We have already announced to the market that we are buying additional 10 new helicopters, AW139 and the first deliveries will be between end of this year and beginning of next year. And this is well planned. It's taking into consideration any potential growth in the market, either in Qatar or outside of Qatar. So the contract, it's basically -- we will have in the beginning 5 to 6 helicopters. And we have the option to add another 5 helicopters within the next 5 years. This is -- I think, we are ready. If there is any additional increase, we are ready to support the market with our services.
Talal Samhouri
analystAnd are there, like, demand for these new helicopters? Or is there like expected demand to come in?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveObviously, that increase in hourly rates is to respond to an increased demand that we have in Qatar. So -- And at the moment, we cannot quantify exactly how much will be the demand in the future. But what we can say is we have an agreement, and we are ready to provide the service whenever it is required.
Talal Samhouri
analystMy second question is about the debt. I mean, is it -- which segment is it -- does it belong to exactly? And I've noticed a reduction in costs and was wondering, was there any restructuring happening in the past quarter or so? And what is the tenor on the existing debt?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveI think many of GIS shareholders, they are familiar with the debt structure, which started, I think, more than 2 years ago. Negotiation has started for during the COVID time, but then stopped for, I think, for main reason, including the market instability. During 16th of March, 2023, we have arrived to an agreement with our 2 lenders. It started with the first lender in the beginning with the highest exposure, which is around USD 925 million. And then during end of Q4, 2023, we were able to agree with the second lender at the same terms that we have agreed with the first lender with retrospective starting date which is the 16th of March, 2023, was a very, I would say, good rate for a tenor of 25 years. So the total debt is around USD 1.1 billion, and this has been extended for 25 years with 35% balloon payment at the end of the 25th year.
Operator
operatorAnd this concludes the question-and-answer session. I would like to hand back to Bobby for closing remarks.
Bobby Sarkar
analystYes. Hi. It's Bobby again. I just have a follow-up to this debt question, if I could. Could you -- the interest -- the finance charges that we see for the first quarter, I guess in your drilling segment, is this something that we can assume going forward on an annualized basis? Or are there any one-offs in the quarter, or are there going to be any other one-off transaction fees this year that we should account for?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveI think, as I mentioned in the beginning, the second loan has been agreed in the end of Q4, 2023, and beginning of Q1, 2024, we finalized the documentation. So we are still ascertaining together with the second lender if there is any accrued interest relating to the prior years that might be included as part of the loan or as part of the interest during Q2, 2024. Otherwise, you can consider Q1, 2024 as a reference in terms of interest. You can compare that to Q1, 2023, because Q1, 2023 does not include any fees -- does not include any upfront fees and any accrued interest relating to prior years. And I think you can see the savings and the benchmark you can take for the rest of the quarter.
Bobby Sarkar
analystSo, sorry, just the Q1, 2024 is kind of the benchmark, unless there is any accrued interest?
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveYes. We might expect -- as I said, we might expect some accrued interest in Q2, 2024, but that's not relating to the existing debt that we have. That is not relating to the USD 1.1 billion that we have. So I think the rate that you are seeing at Q1, 2024, that's the rate allocated directly to the USD 1.1 billion debt.
Bobby Sarkar
analystOkay. And just, I guess, finally, given the substantial uptick in profitability now across segments, and especially in GDI, can we assume, or is it logical to assume like a similar payout versus last year in dividends? I know it's early, but...
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveWe just paid the previous dividend, I think a few months -- 1 month ago. I think it's too early. I think we need to wait a little bit. And then, look, how we look at the business, and I think GIS was not paying dividends up to 2021, I think. And starting from 2022, we started to pay dividends, and based on a good, I would say, dividend payout, because we were thinking that the shareholders, they deserve to get paid some dividends. But again, so this should be balanced as well against the potential growth that we could have in the business segment. So I think the decision is -- if there are any available cash, and if the growth does not need any additional injection of cash, so basically we will distribute dividends. Otherwise, we will use that money to grow the business, to stabilize the business, and to make sure that the business is ready for the future.
Bobby Sarkar
analystOperator, do we have any other questions from outside?
Operator
operatorBobby, there are no further questions in the queue.
Sami Mathlouthi
executiveOkay. So in that case, we can wrap up the call today. I want to thank the management, Abdulla, Sami, Saoud, for taking the time to answer our questions and go over the presentation. And we will thank everyone, and we'll pick this up next quarter. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you, everyone. Thank you.
Operator
operatorThis concludes today's conference call. Please enjoy the rest of your day. You may now disconnect.
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