Harrow, Inc. (HROW) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

Good morning and welcome to HERO's second quarter 2026 earnings conference. call. My name is Michelle and I will be the operator for today's call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question and answer session. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mike Villega, Vice President of Investor Relations and Communications for HARO. Please go ahead.

Thank you, operator. Good morning and welcome to HARO's second quarter 2026 earnings conference call. My name is Mike Biega, Vice President of Investor Relations and Communications, and I'm excited to be introducing today's call. The company's remarks may include forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities Forward-looking statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond Harold's control, including risks and uncertainties described from time to time in its SEC filings, such as the risks and uncertainties related to the company's ability to make commercially available its FDA-approved products and compounded formulations and technologies, etc. approval of certain drug candidates in a timely manner or at all. For a list and description of those at risk and uncertainties, please see the risk factors section of the company's most recent annual report on Form 10-K and subsequent quarterly reports on Form 10-Q filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. HARO's results may differ materially from those projected. HARO disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any financial projections or forward-looking statements, whether because of new information, future events, or otherwise. This conference call contains time-sensitive information and is accurate only as of today. Additionally, Harold will refer to non-GAAP financial metrics, specifically adjusted EBITDA, a reconciliation of any non-GAAP measures with the most directly comparable GAAP measures is included in the company's earnings release and letter to stockholders, both of which are available on the website. Joining me on today's call are Mark Elbaum, Chief Executive Officer, Andrew Bull, President and Chief Financial Officer, Patrick Sullivan, Chief Commercial Officer, and Nomier Sojaie, Chief Scientific Officer. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Mark. Mark?.

Thank you, Mike, and good morning, everyone. We spent the first half of 2026 building demand and strengthening the commercial foundation of our business. The second half is about converting that demand into accelerating revenue and growth and profitability and, of course, hitting numbers. Let me be direct. First half revenue of approximately $115 million was lighter than we expected entering the year, primarily because of the V by net revenue impact we discussed last quarter. At the same time, we executed on major operating priorities we established for the first half, expanding our commercial organization, improving the economics of key products, strengthening our portfolio, launching bio-vis and building physician and demand across our key growth drivers. Those actions have positioned us to deliver meaningfully stronger revenue and growth and profitability during the second half of 2026. And AIHESO is a good example. Despite the loss of pass through on April 1st of this year, IHESO generated the highest quarterly unit demand in its history and delivered record new account growth. Channel inventory has now normalized and an approximately 25% improvement in net pricing became effective July 1st. with gross margins exceeding 90%. We expect I he's over be a major contributor to both revenue growth and profitability during the second half. These are the two major and Vivi is also positioned for stronger growth. During the second quarter, prescriptions increased 21% sequentially. Our prescriber base grew 15% and the product delivered record quarterly revenue. The business rule changes we implemented at the end of April worked as intended. Vivi's economics improved sequentially and meaningfully lower copay card utilization, which drove a higher ASP. Those results validated our ability to improve the economics of the franchise while continuing to grow prescription demand and physician adoption. During the second half, VIVI will benefit from the full period period of those revised business rules, broader commercial coverage that became effective August 1st, an expanded sampling program and a sales organization that has doubled in size over the past year. Together, those factors position V-vi for stronger prescription growth and improved net revenue realization. Triessence also reached another quarterly demand record with more than half of unit demand now coming from ocular surgery. tripled our surgical commercial organization during the second quarter and those representatives remain early in their productivity ramp as they broaden account coverage and deepen utilization we expect tri essence revenue growth to build throughout the second half bio viz represents another incremental growth that we launched on July 1st with encouraging early reception. And our specialty portfolio is similarly positioned to contribute more meaningfully. Vercasia has been relaunched and interest is growing in the form of rising prescription volumes. And IOPIDI now benefits from a permanent J-code. We also expanded our Access Plus commercial organization. WAS EITHER ABSENT OR ONLY PARTIALLY REFLECTED IN OUR FIRST HALF RESULTS. FINALLY, SUBJECT CLOSING, TURVIA WILL FURTHER STRENGTHEN OUR DRY EYE FRANCHISE. WE ARE ACQUIRING GLOBAL RIGHTS TO THE PRODUCT, WHICH IS APPROVED IN THE UNITED STATES AND CHINA AND IS UNDER REGULATORY REGULATION. review in five additional countries. Treviha also offers a distinctive tolerability profile, zero contraindications, zero ocular adverse events, and zero warnings on its label, with sneezing as its most common adverse reaction. From a strategic perspective and given our commitment to relentlessly compete and win in the U.S. dry eye market, this acquisition makes a ton of sense. And I would encourage stockholders to check out slide 15 in our updated corporate deck on that subject. From an acquisition cost perspective also, this deal may be the best deal we've ever struck. From sales and marketing to market access to share a voice in the ophthalmologist and the optometrist's office, we're a much stronger company with Trevaia in our bag. In the past, I always wondered why people would be interested in a nasal spray for their dry eye disease. But after going through our due diligence process and speaking to committed prescribers, I finally get it. There is a very sizable patient base who benefits from this unique product, even down to the size of the product. side effect profile. I had one fantastic dry eye specialist tell me that his patients just love Turviya and would much rather have someone say, God bless you after a sneeze than to endure the stinging and burning or dyskusia after applying eye drops multiple times a day. Financially, while we expect only a modest revenue contribution this year based on the anticipated timing of the transaction, Turviya and its experienced commercial organization will expand our reach and create additional opportunities to grow the entire Dry Eye franchise. Some taken together, our principal growth drivers enter the second half with stronger demand, improved economics, broader access, and greater commercial support. And breadth matters. Our outlook is not dependent on one product, one launch or one reimbursement event. We have multiple commercial growth drivers positioned to contribute more meaningfully during the second half. That is why we are reiterating our full year guidance. We recognize the magnitude of the second half ramp and Andrew who will walk through the financial bridge in more detail. We expect revenue to grow sequentially in both the third and fourth quarters with the larger step up occurring in the fourth quarter as these initiatives contribute more fully. The first half was about doing the work required to create the opportunity in front of us. The second half is about execution. Converting that opportunity into revenue, earnings and durable value for our stockholders. Before I turn it over to Andrew, I did wanna share something that has only deepened my conviction about Gmail. At this year's American Society of Retina Specialists meeting, I spoke with dozens of retina specialists and one theme came up again and again Practices are struggling to secure reliable anesthesia coverage for their procedures. Many are now paying what they call stipends out of their own facility and global surgical fees just to keep anesthesia services available. We do not believe this is a short-term dislocation. We believe it is a reality that eye surgeons and physicians and other specialists specialties will be managing for many years to come. G-MILD, if approved, could be part of the solution to this growing problem. In nearly 15 years of running this company, I've never seen as consistently positive a reaction to a Harrow product candidate. And that has got me extremely excited about the future of gmail. With that, I'll turn the call over to Andrew.

Thank you, Mark, and good morning, everyone. We reported a revenue of $70.7 million, up 11% year-over-year and approximately 60% sequentially. That brings first half revenue to approximately $115 million. The year-over-year comparison understates the underlying trajectory. First half results reflected limited IHESO revenue as channel inventory normalized, as well as only a partial quarter benefit from the B-Buy business rule changes. V-VI delivered quarterly revenue of $29.4 million, up nearly 58% year over year. The result reflected continued prescription growth and improved net revenue realization following the business rule changes implemented at the end of April. AHISO generated $15.6 million of revenue, primarily related to wholesaler stocking orders of our new five pack presentation. Unit demand for AHISO reached a quarterly record, but reported revenue continued to lag underlying demand as distributors sold through previously purchased inventory. We expect IHESO to enter the third quarter with a normalized revenue cycle and improved economics. Our specialty portfolio and tri-essence generated approximately $11 million of revenue, while our compounded portfolio generated $14.6 million of revenue. GAP GROSS MARGIN WAS 71%. FOR THE SECOND HALF, WE EXPECT GROSS MARGINS TO TREND BACK TOWARDS THE HIGH 70S SUPPORTED BY AHEZO'S RETURN TO A NORMAL REVENUE CYCLE. increased overall revenue, continued V-Buy growth, and more favorable product mix. SG&A was $53.3 million, which increased quarter over quarter, largely reflecting the commercial investments made during the quarter. Excluding the additional headcount expected to be added through the TRIVIA transaction at closing, we expect base SG&A dollars to remain approximately flat with second quarter levels for the balance of the year. The core operating cost structure is largely in place, and our objective is to grow revenue against that expense base. Adjusted EBITDA was negative $1.2 million. We ended the quarter with cash and cash equivalents of $83.9 million. With the Tervaya transaction, we expect to fund the upfront consideration of $30 million with cash on hand. Following closing, to the extent any of the contingent net sales milestones are hit, we expect the payment of those milestone amounts will essentially be self-funded. Turning now to our outlook, we are reiterating full year guidance of $350 million to $365 million in revenue and $80 million to $100 million in adjusted EBITDA. Based on first half revenue of approximately $115 million, our guidance implies second half revenue of approximately $250 million. $135 to $250 million. We're not providing quarterly guidance, but we expect revenue to grow sequentially in both the third and fourth quarters. the larger step up occurring in the fourth quarter. That is a substantial step up. So let me be specific about the bridge. The largest incremental contributor should be IHESO. We enter the second half with record demand, normalized channel inventory, and an improvement in net pricing. Those factors should allow reported revenue to more closely reflect the strength of the underlying business beginning in the third quarter. VIVA is another major driver. It's expanded sales organization should begin to contribute in the third quarter. The revised business rules will be in effect for the full second half of the year. Expanded commercial coverage became effective August 1st, and net revenue realization should benefit as more patients satisfy their annual deductibles. Triacin should also continue to grow. Demand reached another quarterly record, and the surgical organization we tripled during the second quarter remains early in its productivity curve. BioViz formally launched July 1 following modest initial stocking activity in the second quarter. Berkesia has been relaunched, and now IOPITI benefits from a permanent J-code. Each contributes against a first half revenue base that was either minimal or constrained. Subject to closing, Tervaia should also contribute modest revenue this year in addition to revenue synergies with Levi that we expect to be realized following the close. Our guidance assumes only a limited 2026 contribution given the anticipated timing of the close and integration. A adjusted EBITDA bridge follows directly from the revenue bridge, substantially higher revenue, increasing gross margins into the high 70s, and a base operating expense structure that remains approximately flat. Upon closing the Tervaya transaction, we expect to expand our dry ice sales force and territories further by adding experienced professionals from the Beatrice Eye Care Division increasing SG&A expenses by approximately $20 million on an annualized basis once fully integrated. Looking ahead, we expect to provide and contribute more than $30 million in revenue during 2027 and overall to be financially accretive. We recognize the magnitude of the second half ramp. Our confidence is based on factors already visible in the business. Prescription growth, record product demand, normalized inventory, improved pricing, broader coverage, and a growing commercial organization that remains early in its productivity curve. On that note, I'll now ask Pat to discuss our commercial progress in more detail.

Thank you, Andrew. Before turning to V-VI, I'll briefly discuss what the pending PIRVIA transaction means for our dry franchise. V-VI remains the cornerstone of that franchise. PIRVIA is complimentary, offering physicians a differentiated, drop-free option for patients who may struggle with eye drops, prefer another route of administration, or are among the 45 million million Americans who wear contact lenses. Subject to closing, we expect to add a large number of experienced dry ice sales representatives from Beatrice whose territories are largely complementary to our existing coverage. This will expand our geographic reach, increase the frequency of our engagement with eye care professionals, and give our team more touch points through a broader portfolio. We expect to integrate those representatives during the fourth quarter and have them supporting both V-Vai and Tier VIA. Together, the products give us more treatment options, greater commercial reach, and additional opportunities to grow grow the entire portfolio. Turning to Vivi, total prescriptions grew 21% sequentially compared with 14% growth for the broader branded dry market based on IQVIA data. New prescription growth grew 4% sequentially while prescriber base expanded 15% and Vivi exited June with a 14.6% share of the branded dry market. market up from 14% at the end of March and 7.8% a year ago. Those results are particularly encouraging because they were achieved while we implemented significant new business rules designed to improve the economics of the franchise. Co-pay utilization declined meaningfully, yet physician adoption and prescription prescription demand continued to grow. We are also still in the early stages of realizing the full potential of our expanded sales organization with broader commercial coverage through a top three pharmacy benefit manager effective August 1, an expanded sampling program now underway, the active prioritized initiative encouraging clinicians to use VBI earlier in the treatment paradigm. We have multiple meaningful growth drivers coming online at the same time. Together, these initiatives position V-VI to accelerate prescription growth and expand its share of the branded dry eye market during the second half. I HESO delivered one of the strongest commercial performances of the quarter. Despite the loss of past reimbursement in the cataract surgery on April 1, unit demand reached a record of 65,477 units, up 44% sequentially and 34% year-over-year. We exited the quarter with 224 total ordering accounts, up 32% year-over-year and 62 of placed their first ever IESO order during that quarter, the strongest quarter for a new account acquisition since launch. Paired with a trailing 12 month reorder rate of approximately 85.5%, that reinforces that adoption continues to broaden following the reimbursement transition. Our focus now is on increasing utilization within existing accounts while expanding IHESO into additional procedures and sites of care, including the broader in-office procedure market, which adds more than 2.5 million annual procedures to our addressable opportunity. We believe those factors position the franchise for a substantially stronger second half. Before moving to TriEssence, I want to briefly touch on BioViz. We formally launched the product on July 1, and while it remains early, initial position engagement has been encouraging. BioViz is a natural fit within our retina organization, expands the options our team can bring to retina specialists, and increases the value of each customer interaction. The crisis also continued its exceptional momentum. Demand reached another quarterly record of 14,529 units, up 162% year over year. Total demand was Ordering accounts reached 805, a net increase of 69 over the quarter. And 54% of unit demand now comes from ocular surgery. That next shift demonstrates that triacin is expanding beyond its historical retina base. We tripled our surgical commercial organization during the second quarter, and those representatives remain early in their productivity ramp. As they expand account coverage and drive broader adoption, we expect their contribution to begin showing up in the third quarter and build from there. Finally, our specialty portfolio continues to build momentum. The permanent J code for IOPD became effective on July 1. Percocet continues to progress following its relaunch and we expanded our access plus commercial organization to support what we believe is the broadest ophthalmic cash pay portfolio in the industry across each of these focus remains the same, expanding physician access, improving reimbursement, and increasing commercial execution. While I step back and look across this portfolio, what stands out most is the breadth of our momentum. We're seeing growth across multiple franchises, continued physician adoption, and expanded commercial reach, and the benefits of the investments we made throughout the first half of the year. I believe Harrow enters the second half of 2026 in its strongest commercial position to date. I'm excited about the opportunities ahead.

turn it over to Amir to discuss some exciting developments with our R&D pipeline. Thank you, Pat. I'll start with GMELD or MELD 300. As I mentioned during our last quarterly webcast, we have now officially secured our pre-MDA meeting with the FDA, which is scheduled for early in the fourth quarter. We are currently preparing the meeting dossier, completing the remaining ancillary activities, and remain on track to submit our NDA during the first half of 2017. This represents another important milestone for the program and keeps us on track for our anticipated regulatory timeline. The program continues to execute according to the development plan we outlined for the investors. From a scientific perspective, I remain very excited about GMELD. We believe it has the potential to fundamentally change procedural sedation by offering a rapid IV-free, opioid-free alternative that addresses a significant unmet need across multiple procedural settings. Assuming a successful regulatory review, we continued to target a potential FDA approval in the first half of 28, followed by a commercial launch later that year. Turning to YoChill or MELT210, the simplest way to think about the program is G-MELT for pediatric patients. YoChill is being developed for children undergoing diagnostic therapeutic endoscopic procedures. Today, oral midazolam is administered primarily as a syrup, which can be difficult for children to tolerate because of its taste and the challenges associated with administration. We believe an orally disintegrating tablet could provide a more convenient and child-friendly option while fitting within the dosing paradigm physicians already use for oral midazolam. Earlier this year, we completed our end of phase two meeting with the FDA. We are currently modifying our pharmacokinetics study protocol to align with the agency's feedback on this program. The development approach is a 505 path to bridge to oral midazolam syrup through PK, and we expect to develop multiple dose strength, likely four, to accommodate the current weight-based dosing paradigm. YoChill also benefits from the formulation, development, and regulatory experience we have generated through MELD 300, including use of the Zytus orally disintegrating tablet platform. We continue to target an NDA submission in 2027. Together, G-MELT and YoChill represent the foundation of a broader procedural sedation platform addressing both adult and pediatric patients. We look forward to providing additional detail on the development plan for both programs at our Investor Day next March. With that, I'll turn the call over to the operator for questions.

Thank you.

Good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. Mark, maybe just first to start on the national top three PBM win. just maybe talk about exactly what that coverage constitutes. Is it, you know, kind of tier one preferred, like that other, you know, top three win that you already have? Yes.

Yes, I think the only thing we want to say about that, coverage when is number one, it's obviously a top three PDM. Number two, it's for commercial lives. I think the third element, is that these were lives that were formerly blocked, that we did not have access to. And then the fourth item Chase is the number of lives that we now have access to is in the many millions. And other than that, I think that's a good point. about all I can say. I don't want to go into the specific positioning on the formulary, but we're really excited about this coverage win. And, you know, it's something that we promised our stockholders and we were able to deliver actually, I think ahead of time, we didn't think this would come until the first part of next year, but, uh, I know the V-Vide team is really pumped to have millions and millions of lives that they now have access to that were formerly blocked.

Got it. And maybe just a two-parter, one on AHISA, one on V-VI. just as we think about kind of the recent volume acceleration for iHESO, can you just discuss what percentage of that business is now in office versus kind of retina as far as kind of characterizing that acceleration? And then just on VBI, Andrew, if you could just comment on kind of how you see ASP in the second half. since there is still an impact from those kind of pre-business rule changes in the second quarter is it fair to assume kind of continued sequential improvement in V-VIA-ASB? Thanks.

Sure, thanks for that Chase. So on IHESO, look, the ASC market is now effectively shut because of the loss of pass-through. I think the fact that we hit a record number in terms of unit demand for IHESO in the second quarter, which I don't think anyone expected, was an extraordinary result. And it really goes to the focus that the team has put on the in-office market, and that includes both Retina as well as other in-office procedures. The in-office market, which we've talked about, which opens up about 2.5 million additional procedures for us is a significant market but it's one that we've really just barely scratched the surface on. A significant amount of the growth in IHESO for the second quarter came in these retina practices that we've been targeting for the last year and a half or so. We're really making progress. We forecast THAT IN THE THIRD QUARTER WE WOULD BE SET UP WELL WITH THE NEW FIVE-PACK, THE NEW PRICING, THE DATA THAT'S STARTING TO COME OUT, AND THAT THAT WOULD CAUSE THIS ACCELERATION IN THE SECOND HALF OF THIS YEAR. BUT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD AIHISO is definitely exceeding all of our expectations. And to be clear, we've really simply just scratched the surface. We have probably less than 2% market share in the overall addressable market, less than 2%. And we continue to grow and pick up record numbers of accounts and we're seeing that acceleration by the way, in the third quarter, you'll see it in the numbers in the third quarter and then the fourth quarter is Andrew DISCUSSED. BUT AYESA IS GOING TO BE A BUT AYESA IS GOING TO BE A REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF US REALLY IMPORTANT PART OF US HITTING OUR NUMBERS FOR THE HITTING OUR NUMBERS FOR THE SECOND HALF. Andrew, do you want to talk about VBI? Yes, absolutely. Thanks for the question. So with V by ASP and generally anything going through the pharmacy benefit, we typically improved pricing throughout the year as patients are hitting the deductible. And certainly we're expecting to see that with V-VI. But to your point about the amended business rules, we didn't get a full quarter benefit of that. And so now moving forward, obviously starting in Q3, we'll get the full benefit of those amended rules, which should add a little bit of additional positive momentum to Levi ASP going forward. Thanks, guys.

Thanks Chase. Thank you. And the next question will come from Steve Seedhouse of Cantor. Your line is open.

Good morning. Thanks so much for taking the question. First, I just wanted to ask on Tervaia, and if you can give us a sense of what actually were the sales for that product, maybe in 2025, 2026 year to date, and whether it's growing or if it's stable or even declining slightly in recent years. before you take over? And then also, what are you modeling for loss of exclusivity of that product? Okay.

ANDREA, DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE KNOW? I KNOW THAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP THINGS QUIET AS WE GET TO THE CLOSING, BUT IS THERE ANYTHING.

can discuss on that front. Yes, Steve, there's not a whole lot we can say until we actually own the asset. And so I think you can take a look at some of the Vietris' comments. Our focus right now though is closing as quickly as possible. I think those are going to be strategically really important asset for us. And so that's the primary focus is getting it closed. And then once closed, what we're guiding to is, you know, that it will contribute more than $30 million of revenue. We're also adding additional heads on the sales and commercial front with the product. And those people are going to be not only promoting Turviya, but also Vivi. So we should see, regardless of the trajectory of the product currently, we're expecting we're expecting our ability, we should have the ability to continue to grow it. And then in regards to loss of exclusivity, we're, We're assuming the product will have exclusivity through 2034.

One other comment I would just add is that the operational synergy between these assets is remarkable, and I think you're going to see that. probably as early as the fourth quarter. And you'll also see that these assets are clinically complementary. in going out and talking to dry eye professionals, you know, the ability to treat the disease with a chronic care product like Viva is our primary asset, I think is important, but also to supplement the treatment, the interest in supplementing the treatment with a product that nearly immediately produces tears like Turviya is very strong, and it's much stronger than we had anticipated before we did our diligence on this product. And, you know, you'll be surprised about the degree to which these are clinically complementary and operationally synergistic.

All right, thanks. That's helpful, Culler. And I wanted to also ask, On iHESO, I guess I'm just... I'm curious where such strong demand has been coming from specifically, because a lot of the tailwinds, the clinical data, obviously, QWEL is still running and that data is in the fourth quarter. And even the launch of your biosimilars that maybe provide some sort of synergy. in the marketing effort, like that's sort of on the come still. And yet you still had this record demand amid all of this, you know, resetting of price and inventory and all this. So I, Is there any way you can just articulate what specifically you think has been driving such strong demand and how likely that is to sort of continue into these subsequent quarters as you have these additional tailwinds coming online. Thanks.

Yes. Well, first of all, uh, even though the demand is impressive and you're right, it is, uh, across the board you know the team has just done a phenomenal job growing that business in terms of new accounts and then pushing through you know, units used within specific accounts. We're also picking up larger accounts that are using higher volumes within their practices. Once again, even though we've achieved, I think, a phenomenal result in the second quarter, we've really just barely scratched the surface. In terms of why doctors are encouraging us increasingly using iHESO, it's because the product is fantastic. It performs amazingly well clinically. It feels good on the patient's eye. you know, it has predictable onset, predictable duration. And then, you know, the excipient that's in the product actually makes the eye feel better than the alternatives, which includes an injection into the eye of lidocaine to anesthetize the eye. So there are tremendous product attributes that we think give us huge advantages and the word is spreading. CERTAINLY AMONG THE RETINA COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO WITHIN THESE MULTI-SPECIALTY PRACTICES THAT WE'RE INCREASINGLY opening up. So, you know, the in-office market is real. There's a growing market for cataract surgery, for example, in the office. And that's a market that we're picking up. So across the board, you should expect continued growth and acceleration for that product. And once again, we've really just barely barely scratched the surface, but probably, as I said, less than 2% of the addressable market.

Makes sense. Thanks, Mark. Thank you, Steve. Thank you. And the next question will come from LeCun Hanbury Brown with William Blair. Your line's open.

Hey guys, thanks for the question. Maybe just a quick follow-up there on TIAVIA and the sort of contribution to 2026. I appreciate that's obviously somewhat dependent on the exact timing of the close, but should we just be thinking about sort of prorathering what you said about 27 for 26? And maybe would it also be a creative EBITDA in 26, or are there some sort of initial maybe like the initial cost associated with the sort of closing integration that would affect that.

Andrew, do you want to take that? Yes. Yes. Hey, Lachlan. I think that's a fair assessment to kind of pro rata the guide for next year. depending on closing, which like I said, we're rapidly trying to get that as close as fast as possible. And then do you think about operating margin and contribution this year? I think it's safe to say it's not going to – we don't expect it to pull down earnings this year. There may be some integration costs this first few months as we're implementing the product, getting it into our system. So expect a little bit higher cost in the first few months, but certainly beginning next year, that those integration costs should largely have been cleared out and we should have positive contributions from the product data.

31, sorry, next year. Got it. Thanks. And maybe another on FEEFY. Mark, I know you said you don't want to say too much about that new coverage. Can you at least give some commentary on, like, where the ASP from that coverage may end up relative to, you know, the current coverage or what you've been realizing? You know, is that an improvement? Is it about the same? or is it worse than the current coverage and what you've been seeing, and maybe also related to V-Fi. You talked about the sampling program. Can you give us a sense of how impactful that is and maybe like, how much of the current volume has been going through that $0 first fill that this can maybe help to convert more quickly?.

Yes, so, you know, in terms of the effect on ASP, simply put, we never sign deals unless there is a net improvement, you know, to ASP. We're not going to, you know, sign a deal unless at the end of the day we're not we're unable to make a THE DIFFERENCE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE TAKE A LOWER NET PRICE BUT WE'RE MASSIVELY ABLE TO INCREASE VOLUME, THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GENERATE FROM THE FRANCHISE ULTIMATELY IMPROVES. AND SO WE HAVE, I THINK, PRETTY, I THINK, A a pretty good modeling on the effect now of these coverage opportunities. But in this one in particular, this is something that should improve our unit revenue for Vivi. In terms of the zero dollar first fill, we've built the company on a foundation of access. So, you know, for us, market access, simply put, means any patient in the United States that is in need of any of our medications will have affordable access to the product that they're in need of. And for us, when we were launching Vivi, without the coverage. And frankly, our coverage has been pretty poor. As I said, the recent coverage when came from a PBM where we were really blocked, But, you know, for us, you know, we implemented a $0 first fill to ensure that everyone who needed V-Buy had access to V-Buy. The problem with that is it's very expensive for us financially. And what we've, I think, realized is, you know, you'll see significant improvement in, financially with the sampling program that's now replacing the $0 first fill. Not only do you have the COGS cost with the $0 first fill program, you have all the processing fees, the pharmacy fees, distribution and so on. And you're really reliant on getting a meaningful number of refills that patient in order to make up for those investments. And the sampling program is, we believe, going to achieve the same effect in terms of giving patients access to the medication that they need at a far lower cost and ultimately a far more profitable structure for our stockholders.

Okay, thanks. So I guess should we just think about that showing through as maybe slightly lower actual like scripts per se that are written, but just a higher ASP per script that's written?.

So it effectively . I don't know that I would think about it that way. I mean, I think that we're seeing higher volumes of prescriptions, both new prescriptions and total prescriptions as a result of this program. I think what Andrew said in his remarks, and Pat reinforced this, is that the business rule changes that we made most recently, The expectation, I think, among some was that this would constrict you know, prescribing, it would constrict dispensing. And the opposite has happened. So, these business rules, and I think this actually has exceeded our expectations, these business rules have not affected at all the demand for the product, and not only the demand, but our ability to ultimately process a prescription and dispense it. you know, both NRXs and TRXs moved up meaningfully in the second quarter. And by the way, it's continuing even in the third quarter, which is extraordinary. So we're getting great productivity from the Salesforce, the business rules that Andrew and the team implemented, I think were extremely, We're extremely successful so far. And we're in really good shape with our V-VI franchise. And the team is fantastic. There's also, by the way, a direct relationship, I think, between the investment in the field force and our ability to get new prescriptions in the door. So we're seeing that correlation, that connection. More reps is going to mean more NRXs, and when you have a product as extraordinary as Viva, that's going to mean more TRXs. And with more coverage, where you're making more money on a unit basis, that should give us increasing overall revenue for the franchise. Andrew, do you want to add to that at all?.

I would just kind of reinforce what I said in the previous questions, which is, I think, considered, we do still expect ASP to improve for V-VI throughout the year.

Thanks. Thanks, Lachlan. Thank you. And our next question is going to come from Tom Schrader with U.S. Bank. Your line is open.

Good morning. Congratulations. Seems like all 50 bowls are back in the air. A question on Traviya and Vivi. Are they going to be in lockstep, which is the Salesforce has both? And when you add a Traviya Salesforce, they'll also have Vivi, they'll have the same sampling. Is that the way to see it? You'll have two products that are essentially everybody in the Salesforce has? Yes.