Helios Technologies, Inc. (HLIO) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
August 8, 2023
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGreetings, and welcome to the Helios Technologies' Second Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Tania Almond, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications. Thank you. You may begin.
Tania Almond
executiveThank you, operator, and good day, everyone. Welcome to the Helios Technologies' Second Quarter Financial Results Conference Call. We issued a press release announcing our results yesterday afternoon. If you do not have that release, it is available on our website at hlio.com. You will also find slides there that will accompany our conversation today. On the line with me are Josef Matosevic, our President and Chief Executive Officer; and Tricia Fulton, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. They will spend the next several minutes reviewing our second quarter results, discussing our progress with our augmented strategy, reviewing our updated outlook for the second half of 2023, and then we will open the call to your questions. If you turn to Slide 2, you will find our Safe harbor statement. As you may be aware, we will make some forward-looking statements during this presentation and the Q&A session. These statements apply to future events that are subject to risks and uncertainties, as well as other factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from where we are today. These risks and uncertainties and other factors have been provided in our latest 10-K filing, as well as our upcoming 10-Q to be filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. You can find these documents on our website or at sec.gov. I'll also point out that, during today's call, we will discuss some non-GAAP financial measures which we believe are useful in evaluating our performance. You should not consider the presentation of this additional information in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP. We have provided reconciliations of comparable GAAP with non-GAAP measures in the tables that accompany today's Slides. Please reference Slide 3, 4 and 5 now. With that, it's my pleasure to turn the call over to Josef.
Josef Matosevic
executiveTania, thank you, and thanks to everyone joining us. Our global team has stepped up to the plate and delivered. We had strong sequential growth in the quarter with revenue up 7%, including 6% organic growth over Q1. Operating margin increased 140 basis points while we continued investing to integrate our acquisitions and expand our capacity to meet growing customer demand. This translated to our bottom line increasing 21%. Thank you once again to our global team for their great performance. We have methodically invested over the last 3 years to develop or acquire new technologies, close product gaps, filling geographic white spaces and drive opportunities for growth by expanding our addressable end markets. All this work is on the verge of bearing fruit. Currently, we are in our next phase preparing for another growth cycle, and we are accelerating this transition. Our customers' appetite for our new offerings is rapidly building. We want to be ready to address the indicated interest. As such, we are pulling forward investments and project timelines to enable this new capacity to take on step change growth starting in 2024. Our innovation and engineering excellence is the lifeblood of this organization. In the quarter, we closed our acquisition of i3, and we are already far along with the integration of i3 remote field service platform into the Helios solution. As a result, recurring revenue could start to show up in our P&L as early as next year. Helios continues driving technological breakthroughs, and we are well-positioned to capitalize on many megatrends with our solution. This includes electrification, reducing emissions and creating more energy-efficient solutions while continuously improving our user interface. Our long-term outlook at Helios is very bright. In the short-term, we are faced with some near-term challenges for the second half of '23. We are seeing a slower-than-expected recovery in APAC. About 40% of our CVT hydraulics volume goes through APAC, with 2 of our largest distributors located there. In North America, the distributor inventory levels have been trending in the right direction since the end of last year, but also a bit lower than expected. Additionally, our hydraulics colleagues in Europe dealt with a plant fire in the second quarter. Then in July, they had to endure a tornado, hail storm and flooding. I am grateful to report all of our teammates are safe, which is most important. These macro issues combined with the natural disasters is pressurizing our top line for the second half. As a result, our near-term visibility is, in fact, less clear than our long-term outlook. We are adjusting to current conditions while continuing to prepare for what we believe will be a very healthy 2024. Before I turn the call over to Tricia to review the financials, I would like to wish her well on her retirement. Tricia has been a cornerstone of our company during her 26 years of service, 17 of which she served as the CFO. On behalf of the Board of Directors and the entire company, I would like to express our gratitude for her significant contributions. We wish you the best in your next chapter of life. Starting tomorrow, Tricia passes the baton off to our new CFO, Sean Bagan. Sean joins us most recently from a 23-year career with Polaris. He has a proven track record of building, growing and transforming global businesses into highly productive and profitable operations. We are excited to welcome Sean to the Helios family. I will now turn the call over to Tricia to review our financial results for a final time. She will then hand it back to me for some closing color. Tricia, please?
Tricia Fulton
executiveThank you, Josef, and hello, everyone. On Slides 6 through 10, I will review our second quarter 2023 consolidated results. We continued to deliver solid sequential improvement, with revenue up 7%. Profitability also improved sequentially, with operating income and net income up 19% and 21%, respectively. Adjusted EBITDA expanded 170 basis points, and free cash flow was up $15 million, or 475%. We were able to deliver these results even as we drive investments in our future. By market, Australian mining began a recovery and grew significantly in the quarter both sequentially and year-over-year. Encouragingly, health and wellness increased more than 20% over the first quarter, continuing to build off the floor we hit in the fourth quarter last year. Agriculture, a large end market for Helios, saw robust growth in the quarter over the year-ago period and modestly improved sequentially. Recreational sales had a solid quarter, with high single-digit annual growth and double-digit sequential growth. There were mixed results within the mobile market, with specialty vehicles and construction being the top performer sequentially. As you might imagine, we can have variability from quarter-to-quarter within our markets. Our strong revenue growth over Q1 '23 was driven by the electronics segment, which was up 15%, while the hydraulics segment was up 3%. Year-over-year, hydraulics was up 7%. And if you exclude health and wellness, electronics increased 5% over last year's second quarter. Geographically, we saw growth across all regions sequentially led by the Americas at 10%, EMEA was 4% growth, and APAC at 3%. Compared with last year, revenue decreased both in EMEA and in the Americas by 5% each and by 10% in APAC, reflecting macroeconomic conditions. Overall, we had nominal unfavorable FX impact on revenue of $0.3 million in the quarter. Sequentially, gross profit grew 7% and gross margin was unchanged over the first quarter. As we would expect, on a year-over-year basis, the lower volumes impacted our gross profit. The benefits of pricing net of material cost increases, acquisitions and improved direct labor efficiency on gross profit were offset primarily by lower volume. Our SEA expenses sequentially were down slightly but up $5.5 million, or 17% compared with the second quarter of 2022. As we have discussed, we are investing heavily in our growth plans and incremental SEA related to acquisitions, integration, growth and new product development, which are driving the year-over-year increases. As I mentioned, adjusted EBITDA increased 16% sequentially, and adjusted EBITDA margin of 22% was up 170 basis points over the first quarter level. Even as we make growth investments, we delivered top-tier EBITDA margins as an industrial technology company. Our effective tax rate in the second quarter was 22.9%, up slightly from the prior year based on the mix of earnings in various jurisdictions. Diluted non-GAAP cash EPS of $0.81 in the quarter reflects the impacts I've discussed as well as a $0.09 impact from higher interest expenses compared to last year. Slides 9 and 10 provide visual trends on overall key metrics for the past several quarters. We estimate that supply chain constraints delayed $14.2 million in sales at quarter-end, up sequentially from $12.4 million and down from $15.1 million in the year ago period. On Slide 11, you will find the highlights for our second quarter hydraulics segment. Sales grew 7% over the prior year period. Acquisitions added $15.2 million. Sequentially, the segment grew 3% over Q1 '23. Gross profit increased modestly, driven by price, efficiency and acquisitions, partially offset by rising material costs. Gross margin this quarter decreased 210 basis points compared with Q2 '22 primarily due to rising material costs in the margin profile of acquisitions. SEA expenses increased by $4.3 million or 23% year-over-year. The increases were driven by acquisitions as well as growth investments. Please turn to Slide 12 for a review of our electronics segment. This segment is more concentrated in the U.S., so foreign currency usually does not have much of an impact. Sequentially, as mentioned, we had 15% growth in this segment. Annually, electronics sales decreased by 24% to $75.2 million as demand across all regions declined primarily related to the softness in the health and wellness market. Excluding health and wellness, electronics grew 5% over last year, driven by recreational mobile and agriculture market. The electronics gross profit of $26 million grew 24% sequentially and gross margin expanded 260 basis points. Year-over-year, lower gross profit reflects the slowdown in the health and wellness market. Gross margin increased 150 basis points over Q2 '22 due to favorable sales mix and material costs. SEA expenses increased sequentially 4% over the Q1 '23 level. Please turn to Slide 13 for a review of our cash flow. We had strong cash generation in the quarter with $28.8 million in adjusted cash from operations. Cash and cash equivalents were $37.5 million, providing us sufficient liquidity. CapEx of $10.5 million was 5% of sales for the quarter, at the upper end of our expected range to support our growth and expansion plans. Adjusted free cash flow was $58.8 million on a trailing 12-month basis with a conversion rate of 100% compared with 79% for the full year 2022. You can see on Slide 14 that we have a solid balance sheet and financial flexibility to execute our strategy for growth. Total liquidity at the end of the quarter was $221 million. Our net debt to adjusted EBITDA leverage ratio was 2.7x ending the quarter. As you know, we have a well-established track record of managing our leverage ratio as we execute on our acquisition strategy. As we increased above our target level for recent acquisitions, we have been able to quickly de-lever back to or below our target leverage ratio of 2x based on our cash generation. Before I hand it back over to Josef for a review of the outlook and closing comments, I would like to express my gratitude to each and every member of Helios, past and present, for their role in what has been a rewarding career for me. I have had the honor and privilege to work with so many exceptionally talented and brilliant people throughout the years. I also want to thank all of you on this call as well for being with me on this great journey. Importantly, I have great confidence in the future of Helios, the power of our strategy and the capabilities of the team to execute on them. Please reference Slides 15 to 17 as I hand it back to Josef.
Josef Matosevic
executiveThank you much, Tricia. Again, we truly appreciate your dedicated service first to Sun hydraulics and then Helios over so many years. We are moderating our outlook for the second half of the year, given the factors I mentioned that have reduced near-term visibility. We now expect revenue in the range of $880 million to $900 million, implying the second half will be similar to the first half. We expect more weighting in the fourth quarter versus the third. As a result of the accelerated capacity expansion, we are investing over $10 million. With these revenues and investment expectations, we are moderating our adjusted EBITDA target for this year to $187 million to $196 million, still a healthy 21% to 22%. We intend to get to the mid-20s and beyond and adjusted EBITDA margin over time, but we are down-shifting our gears in the short term to absorb the one-time macro factors and build momentum to climb our next growth slope. There are clearly a lot of great things coming together at Helios. We are executing against the pillars of our business system. The second quarter demonstrates our ability to protect our business and margins while investing for the future. As we think and act globally, we efficiently leverage our expanding footprint through our new regional centers of excellence. We are diversifying our end markets and revenue through our new innovations and solutions to grow wallet share. While our team continuously demonstrate the dedication and tenacity to our shared purpose, we develop our talent by fostering a diverse and customer-centric learning organization. We have our sights set on driving shareholder value far into the future. As I said earlier, our future is very bright. With that, let's open up the lines for Q&A, please.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Chris Moore with CJS Securities.
Christopher Moore
analystMaybe I'll start with Josef. Josef, just hoping you could talk a little bit more about what's transpiring this year, what have you seen so far, kind of what you expect for the rest of the year into '24 and beyond with the investments that you're making.
Josef Matosevic
executiveChris, certainly. Let me break this down into maybe 2 parts. So the first part of it, just addressing the current state and the headwinds we are seeing and have been seeing going into 2023, and then switching over to the more exciting part, 2024 and beyond. So when we entered this year, on the OEM side we usually have pretty good visibility, and that is panning out to be exactly what we expected. On the distributor side, which is very heavily weighted on our Sun Hydraulics CVT business, in North America we saw elevated inventory levels, but has started to come down pretty nicely. So the trend clearly showed month-over-month that the inventories are coming down into what will be a reorder pattern back to somewhat of a normal. And then we had substantial conversations with our distributors in Asia, specifically in China. And there was a pretty good sentiment that the recovery will start taking shape in Q1, ramping up into Q2 and continuing into Q3. So we obviously bake this in the forecast. And clearly, we have eye on this. So having gotten that customer feedback, we anticipated strong orders coming out of Asia since 40% of our hydraulic CVT revenue goes into Asia, specifically into China. That didn't pan out. That's on us beyond that, following by our marine demand has been very stable, but tempering off slightly. Not falling off the cliff, but tempering off. And the Balboa business in the health and wellness showed very strong sense of recovery in Q1 going into Q2 and now kind of plateauing off at levels we saw in Q1 and Q2. So, all in, that's what drove us to kind of be a little bit more conservative on the forecast, just by not having enough visibility in the second half and not knowing if China will really recover this year or not recover this year. So naturally, when you add those 3 factors, between 40% of volume going into China, distributor inventories still slightly higher than expected, we lose leverage on the top line. And then to add a little bit more flavor to that story to our current state, we had a very unfortunate situation in Europe where we literally lost 10 production days of manufacturing, following by Mother Nature kicking in and adding a few more days of loss. So, all in, that's what drove our pullback in terms of top line, so to kind of summarize, Chris, I hope your first question of the current state. Now going into 2024 and beyond, we have been saying now for 1.5 years or a couple of years, we have methodically worked with some customers. One is a current customer, 2 are new customer to us, but, more importantly, they're also very new markets to us. And we went through the initial RFQ stage to an RFP stage, and the appetite got much stronger as the customer needs to make certain strategic decisions before year-end, and that accelerated, obviously, our investment portfolio. And as part of the process is, they want to see and review our operations and the lines and the equipment in place before we can hit the ground running. So that was the main reason why we are adding over 200,000 square feet of capacity to be able to absorb that new incoming business. That has been in play for the last 1.5 years. It's finally around the corner, and we're gearing up for that journey. And we have invested year-to-date over $10 million additional dollars into that because we truly feel that is the right thing for Helios and that is the right thing for our shareholders. So that's kind of the 2 answers to your question, Chris.
Christopher Moore
analystAnd what's the timing on the additional capacity? Is that first half of '24? Or what do you see at this stage?
Josef Matosevic
executiveYes. Our revised plans indicate that we will be completed by around Q1 of 2024. It's broken down into different geographic territories, Chris. Obviously, a lot of them is in North America between Daman and CVT. There is significant expansion going on in Europe at the Faster location. There's 2 different phases. Phase 1, we're adding an additional 35,000 to 40,000 square feet, and then there is another phase coming in 2024, where we will add another 100,000 square feet. So Faster will go from 300,000 square feet to 600,000 square feet over time. And then we are standing up a brand-new facility next door to our current one in Mexico, adding another 75,000 square feet. So if you extrapolate this into potential future orders, we would never add capacity if we wouldn't feel comfortable the demand is coming. So the answer to your question is we should be complete with Phase 1 in Q1 2024.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from the line of Jeffrey Hammond with KeyBanc.
Jeffrey Hammond
analystBest of luck to you, Tricia.
Tricia Fulton
executiveThank you.
Jeffrey Hammond
analystSo I wanted to make sure I understand these accelerated costs. So it looks like you had $2 million in 1Q. I want to know what the accelerated costs were in 2Q, and I think you said $10 million in the second half. And just want to verify these. One, what do they entail in terms of pulling forward expansion? And just to be clear that these are all kind of one-time and go away next year?
Josef Matosevic
executiveYes, Jeff, certainly. So year-to-date, we accelerated cost around $10 million and those OpEx costs, meaning certain equipment expediting costs, freight, extra contract, those extra people, setting up the manufacturing sales based on the agreement we have with our customers, where we have visual work aids where we have work instructions, ergonomic addressable items. Those type of cost is what drives a lot of dollars. And in many cases, when we order the material, the lead times in terms of equipment was much, much longer than we could have waited, so we had to pay premium to get the equipment in. But once that is fully paid, Jeff, the answer to your question is, yes, those will be one-time costs, and we certainly expect that to pay back with accelerated and better margins, going forward.
Jeffrey Hammond
analystSo it's $10 million in first half, $10 million in second half?
Josef Matosevic
executive$10 million in first half that's in the books. I'm not sure the $10 million will be exactly in the second half because we're going to watch it very closely here, Jeff. We had a couple of forecasting boo-boos here when we anticipated strong orders from the international markets, and we obviously own that. So we want to be a little bit careful how much do we spend and still protect the margins. But there clearly will be additional one-time dollars in the second half in the area of $4 million to $6 million, $4 million to $8 million. Tricia, does this sound right?
Tricia Fulton
executiveYes. And we still have a pretty big range on the top line of our guidance that reflects some of the uncertainty that we have in the top line. So at the lower revenue levels, we understand that we can lose a little bit of leverage, so we baked that into the assumptions, as well.
Jeffrey Hammond
analystAnd then you've been talking about this. Obviously, you're pulling forward $15 million of costs. So I think you mentioned in the prepared remarks kind of step-change opportunity. So I just want you to better frame the opportunity around the '24 and kind of the pull-forward and all the capacity expansions.
Josef Matosevic
executiveYes, Jeff. So what we'll be talking about here is an integrated systems package that 2 of our customers have been working with us for north of 1.5 years now. And one customer had that product, or many different elements of the product in-sourced, and now they have decided to outsource this as an integrated package. And we are due to submit final prototypes next Thursday, and the feedback has been very strong and very complimentary. The other customer is more on the commercial food service side, where we have worked very closely together and feel comfortable now that we are far along that the step change will start to occur in 2024. From a monetary standpoint, or dollars, so to say, look, when you add 200,000 square feet globally, you're talking about a pretty nice size business starting in 2024 through 2027, and we feel pretty good that this is going to happen.
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from the line of Mig Dobre with Baird.
Mircea Dobre
analystTricia, all the best to you, working with you for the last 13, 14 years. I've always really appreciated your help and insight. So good luck.
Tricia Fulton
executiveThank you, Mig, I appreciate that. It's been a pleasure.
Mircea Dobre
analystI guess where I would like to start, I'm a little bit confused about on what's going on with capacity. There are a lot of numbers that are flying around there, Faster going from 300,000 square feet to 600,000, Balboa, or the facility in Mexico, adding 75,000 square feet. Maybe we can sort of take a 30,000-foot view here. And have you outlined for us what percentage increase in your square footage or capacity are you currently undergoing versus maybe where we were a year ago? And what exactly does that mean for the company's ability to support revenue? Or, essentially, what are you scaling your business up to?
Josef Matosevic
executiveI heard the first part of your question. I don't know if we had a technical issue here, but I apologize, I didn't hear the second part.
Mircea Dobre
analystI'm trying to understand the changes in capacity here because there's been a lot of numbers that were kind of like floating around between Faster and Balboa so on. So can you maybe talk about what percentage of your existing capacity, relative to your existing capacity, are you adding? And what are you scaling this business up to? What sort of annual revenue run rate will this capacity be able to support?
Josef Matosevic
executiveSo for an example, In Indiana, we are going in Mishawaka here in terms of now becoming a center of excellence for our manifolds. We are going from 40% to pretty much 70% of capacity. Everywhere we're adding capacity, Mig, is based on percentage of volume increase and also our strategy of center of excellence, regional structure coming to play and in the region, for the region. So as we look at the new incoming business with the step change we are talking about in the integrated package, when we extrapolated our overall opportunity for the next 3 years to come and the volume associated with that and how much we need per square foot, that's what drove the investments globally. So in so many words, with the one particular customer we are working on, they will be absorbing or purchasing an integrated package that has different sizes of manifolds, some cartridge valves, Faster couplings, wire harnesses and Enovation controls. So every business has a piece of the square footage assigned to that volume, and that's how we came up with the capacity and the hours needed to manufacture that product.
Mircea Dobre
analystSo capacity is going up, what, 20%, 30%?
Josef Matosevic
executiveIt's around 25% globally.
Tricia Fulton
executiveFrom a pure square footage perspective, but I think the opportunity really is how we can better utilize all of the square footage that we have with this additional space and the way we're laying out the plants with the additional space, hopefully getting more out of the 25% than 25% for top line.
Mircea Dobre
analystAnd what exactly is your guess here in terms of, or your goals in terms of what the business will be able to support as far as total revenues are concerned? Are we talking $1.2 billion, $1.3 billion or more?
Josef Matosevic
executiveI knew this question will come, so I'm going to learn a little bit here from the previous forecasting assumptions we have made in particular to my opening comments in Asia. But I would say it's around $300 million in addition to our current guidance.
Mircea Dobre
analystYou're adding the capacity now. The revenue's coming in the future. Are we to infer then that, at least until this revenue starts to really materialize and reach kind of like the full rate capacity, we should be thinking that there is going to be an under-absorption element from a cost standpoint, which is going to pressure margins into 2024.
Josef Matosevic
executiveWell, I think our manufacturing strategy that we have laid out and you guys understand really well offset a significant piece of that, Mig. And we also have other levers that we are pulling, as we speak, to really minimize that risk. At the same time, what we don't want to do is start cutting in the SEA structure and SEA people because we're going to need those people as the capacity is finished. Those are all good, trained folks. So I think we have de-risk that offering based on our new revised guidance here and feel we can maintain that. And with a little bit of a little bit of uptick in the recovery in Asia, and when you look at the distribution inventories, they are coming down. They are now around $64 million. And traditionally, when they drop down to $61 million, $60 million, you see a stronger reorder pattern. So we feel, if the volume comes back just a little bit, we can absorb that those investments and hold down margins.
Tricia Fulton
executiveAnd Mig, this goes back to the comments that we made the last few quarters about step-level investments. This really is step-level investment, and it will take a little bit of time to absorb it. But when Josef talks about these new system opportunities and diversified market opportunities, we recognize that they could come in in big chunks. So we need to be able to have the capacity available to be able to take on those orders and to fulfill that demand in those markets spaces.
Mircea Dobre
analystWant to ask a question about the guidance. So you reduced revenue $35 million at the midpoint, if my math is right. I'm curious to understand how your outlook has changed in hydraulics relative to electronics. So what's the moving pieces to that $35 million? And then on EBITDA, you cut EBITDA by about $30 million. And here, I guess I can understand about $10 million of it, right, coming from the lower revenue and volume. Are we to infer that the remainder is all of it associated with these investments? So I guess, maybe I'm asking Jeff's question in a different way here. Or is there something else other than the investments that's kind of contributing to this EBITDA cut? So a lot there, both revenue and EBITDA, so I'd appreciate that.
Tricia Fulton
executiveSo I'll start, Mig, and then, Josef, you can add on. We were pretty specific in our guidance at the $925 million midpoint. I don't really think we see a whole lot of difference on the electronics side. Balboa is still about where we thought it was going to be for the year. On the Enovation side, we're still up high single digits in our forecasting. The downside, or the constraints really are coming more on the hydraulics side. We're seeing it in the Sun business related to inventory that we've already talked about as well as a little bit of a slowdown in the acquisition companies for Daman and Schultes from our original estimates, which both are in the hydraulics segment. So that's really what's driving the majority of what you're seeing in the change in guidances coming from the hydraulics side. If you look at the EBITDA, certainly we have the investments. We originally thought they were going to curtail a little bit more in the back half of the year, but we expect to continue now, so that's taking into the EBITDA a bit. But at the lower revenue levels, we're also losing leverage. We recognize that we're going to have to possibly adjust the cost basis as we go forward if we're at the lower end of that range, but certainly it is cutting, at least on a short-term basis into profitability, recognizing that we need to make the investments so that we have 2024 set up well to take on this additional potential revenue that we're seeing from the system sale and diversified markets.
Mircea Dobre
analystMy final question, it sounds to me like you're saying that, in the Americas business, the primary headwind seems to be destocking. And if I understand you correctly, you're to the level of channel inventory now where that suggest that destocking runs its course. But please correct me if I'm wrong about that. Are we to think then that revenues in the Americas improved sequentially in the back half relative to where you were in Q1? And also in Asia-Pacific, how are things trending as we're looking at the month of July, August? I mean, have things changed either for the good or bad relative to what you've observed in Q2?
Josef Matosevic
executiveYes. So in terms of channel inventory, Mig, the data points have been trending in the right direction over the last 3 months. So it started off at $78 million, dropped down to $74 million. Now it's in the 6s. So if we would play that data point and put an assumption on it, you will come in around could there be an improvement in the back half. Yes, there could, as long as the trend goes and continues in the right direction. But we are baking in certainly risk, just learning from our first half and learning from the feedback we have gotten last year versus where we are here on our actual basis. In Asia, it's how are the orders trending right now, pretty much the same that we have seen in the first half. There hasn't been any improvement yet. But look, I mean, we are looking at this as a near-term, short-term impact. That market will turn and the inventories are coming down; and eventually, this will work itself out of the system, and we're going to get back to the leverage we usually get with the [ volume ].
Operator
operatorOur next question comes from the line of Nathan Jones with Stifel.
Nathan Jones
analystMaybe I'll ask a question about the margin profile here. Typically, you guys will see new products come in at better margins. Is that the case with these large contract awards that you're looking at hopefully to get awarded here in the back half and ramp up into next year? Are you anticipating those to be accretive to the gross margin profile, and any color you could give us on how accretive they might be?
Josef Matosevic
executiveThe answer to your question is the way we have quoted this business, and we spend a lot of time on the pricing of the offering and, quite honestly, didn't know exactly how to price it considering where the supply chain was, is, and in some cases will probably maintain for a longer period of time. So the answer to your question is, yes, it will be a healthy margin profile. At the same time, we have, as you saw, the i3 acquisition brought significant value to our offering with a service system component that's actually patented and patent-protected. And the adoption rate has started, and that's kind of part of our journey as well, they will further improve our margin profile starting in 2024 as i3 will contribute to the journey pretty nicely, and they will extrapolate over the next 2, 3 years into something obviously much larger. As we have said in the past, we want to create a recurring revenue arm for our offering.
Nathan Jones
analystMaybe a follow-up on these potential new contracts and your awards here. I mean, [indiscernible] is talking about very significant numbers. And, I mean, the word you used in the prepared remarks were a step function change in growth. Are these contracts something that go from 0 to 100 fairly quickly? Or do they ramp up over a period of quarters? Just any more kind of color you can give us on your expectation for how those layering over the next year or 2.
Josef Matosevic
executiveYes. So look, when you look at our customer base, Nathan, no customer is really larger than 4% to 5% in our offering currently. One of those wins, one of those customer wins will drive that to be our largest customer with one of the wins that we are targeting. So we certainly really look forward to that step-up journey starting in 2024. And once again, this is one customer we're talking about.
Nathan Jones
analystAnd I mean, the question is how would that kind of ramp up? Is it something where you would be expecting production to go from -- you've talked about this being a new customer, or at least a couple of them being new customers. Are they something that would ramp up to 10% of the contract value in the first year or 20% in the second year? Or does it ramp up more quickly than that? How are you expecting that contract, or those contracts, to ramp up?
Josef Matosevic
executiveYes. This is exactly why we are pulling this capacity ahead. To be able to answer this question, Nathan, with factual data, we need a little bit more time, but it's not going to start with $50 million in 2024. We've got to finish our capacity. That is so vital to what we can commit to our customers, as they want to go faster that we can actually absorb right now. So if you wouldn't mind, just allow us a little bit more time to be able to answer that question once we get our capacity closer to where it needs to be.
Tricia Fulton
executiveNathan, I was just going to add a little color there, too. We would expect, to your question, just about how that comes into the P&L; typically, it will phase over a period of time. It's not like it all comes in on day 1. So once you get that customer signed and in the door, it will build over potentially a multi-year period. And as you get multiple customers in the door, you start having that layering effect. So that could help add to that step-level function that we're talking about for '24.
Nathan Jones
analystAnd if you're talking about customers having to make strategic decisions for 2024, these are things that you should be able to announce to us, or the customer should have to move on before the end of the year. Is that right?
Josef Matosevic
executiveYes. One particular customer has to make a decision in September of this year for production years 2024 through 2027 and beyond.
Nathan Jones
analystWe look forward to hearing some announcements in the near-term then. And Tricia, just add my best wishes for the future.
Tricia Fulton
executiveThank you, Nathan. I appreciate it.
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Jon Braatz with Kansas City Capital.
Jon Braatz
analystAnd Tricia, I too want to wish you the best of luck in your retirement. I enjoyed working with you, and congratulations.
Tricia Fulton
executiveThank you very much, Jon. I appreciate it.
Jon Braatz
analystJust I want to change the pace a little bit. The fire and the tornado at the Faster operation, how is that impacting the second half of the year?
Josef Matosevic
executiveThe second half there should not be in terms of Faster in specific, and their expectations we have in place will stay intact as we were able to get some help with our integrated supply chain, but we are back up and running now. We originally planned for Faster actually to manufacture more product within the hydraulic segment to offset some of the headwinds we have seen with the CVT business in particular to Asia, or to China, and still some elevated inventory levels in North America. So they were not able to do that to CVT, but certainly met all the expectations that we had on the Faster side, so no impact to the second half.
Jon Braatz
analystAnd then secondly, I think in response to one of the earlier questions about the accelerated investments, I think I heard you use the term Phase 1 to describe some of this. Is there a Phase 2? Are there additional investments? Of course, there's always additional investments, but is there an additional heavy investment program following these investment decisions?
Josef Matosevic
executiveSo the comment about Phase 1 and Phase 2, Jon, was related to Faster. There's a Phase 1 that is adding around 35,000, 40,000 square feet, and then there will be a Phase 2 that will add around 100,000 square feet, and it's all driven based on upcoming demand organically generated through this product offering, system sales, and also a data science piece that we have been working with the Faster and hydraulics team to integrate with our customers.
Jon Braatz
analystAnd then one final question. After all this investment is completed and the new programs begin and so on, is there a sense that your profitability will be elevated because of the investments, and more so than maybe what you were thinking 6 months ago, a year ago? What kind of return are we going to get on that investment?
Josef Matosevic
executiveYes, certainly. Look, I mean, our horizon hasn't changed, Jon. I know this is a bold statement, but we truly, as a team, believe in that. When you couple all the manufacturing investments we have made prior to the capacity expansion here, creating the center of excellence, creating the regional structure, investing in new equipment, investing in supply chain, investing into new products and breakthrough technology, our horizon of being a 40% gross margin company and a 30% EBITDA company is not changing.
Operator
operatorMs. Almond, there are no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the floor back over to you for closing comments.
Tania Almond
executiveGreat. Thank you very much, operator, and thanks, everyone, for joining us today. We appreciate your interest in Helios and look forward to updating all of you on our third quarter results in November. Please feel free to reach out to me with any follow-up questions that you have. Have a great day.
Operator
operatorLadies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation, and have a wonderful day.
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