Henry Schein, Inc. (HSIC) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

January 11, 2023

NASDAQ US Health Care conference_presentation 39 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#1

Hi, everyone. This is Rachel Vatnsdal from the life science tools and diagnostics team. I'm joined by Stanley Bergman and Ronald South, CEO and CFO of Henry Schein. So today, this session is going to be 40 minutes. It's really going to be more of a fireside chat style. So it's going to be Q&A the entire time. For those of you listening online via the webcast, feel free to submit a question via the Q&A function. And then for those of you that are in person, feel free to raise your hand. We have mic runners throughout the room, so they will hand you a mic to ask a question.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#2

So for that, Stanley, if you could just kind of walk us through the story for those of us new to this, I spent a few minutes talking about the business. How 2022 has gone so far, and how Henry Schein has come out of the Pandemic a stronger company?

Stanley Bergman

executive
#3

Thank you, Rachel. It's good to be back here live. We're doing this for almost 30 years, and to see live people again is terrific. So Henry Schein, we are the largest provider of products and related services to office-based health care practitioners. That's dentists, health care practitioners outside of the acute care setting, although today, many hospitals own or IDNs, own our customers, but essentially, we're focused on the ultimate care market. We provide practically every product that a practitioner may need from consumables to equipment to pharmaceutical to med-surg products, equipment, dental, medical, huge part of the medical is diagnostics and various kinds of services. We're the largest provider of dental practice management services in the world, I believe. Of course, the practice management system is important, but really it's the electronic medical record, which is very much customized to the needs of dentists and the integration in an interoperable way between our software and devices and other related services. Of course, services such as management our billing, revenue cycle management, as it's called, demand generation tools, website management and in recent years, cybersecurity services are all services that we provide. We're today quite a significant manufacturer of general specialty products where we have our own brands. We do quite a bit of R&D in that space. We have a rapidly growing oral surgery business, which is the implants and the bone regeneration products, and we have, today, a rapidly growing, and I believe significant endodontic business, brands, generics, and a small but rapidly growing orthodontic and aligner business, that's wires and brackets and aligners. Our strategy, of course, is to help practitioners operate a more efficient practice so that our customers can provide better clinical care. That's what we do. For the smaller practitioners, we have field sales consultants that work with these practitioners in helping to optimize the practice from a profit point of view, efficiency point of view, but also from a clinical point of view. And that goes all the way up to we work with the largest DSOs in the United States and abroad, where we help these DSOs with the inventory management and other expense control procedures and management tools. Equipment service, by the way, is a key service that we offer. I believe today, we are the largest provider of dental equipment in the world, but more important, the service we have, I believe, an outstanding clinical workflow, helping practitioners connect the clinical aspects of their practice to the practice management system. Rachel, I can go on and on talking, but you asked within your question, out of 2022 go? So it's been a very good year for us. And what is very important in understanding Henry Schein's numbers is to take out the noise from PP&E and test kits. We had significant sales in these products in 2020, '21 and '22. We provided specifics in our quarterly calls on the amount of sales related to these products. If you take these out, and of course, we're in our quiet period now. But if you look at our numbers through the end of the third quarter, you will see pretty good growth in our business, excluding PP&E and test kits. The strategy is to advance each of our businesses, our distribution, dental medical and our Medical, by the way, is a rapidly growing business as well as our dental in many parts of the world. And to make these businesses more efficient and much more user-friendly from a digital point of view, where we're investing significantly in digital capabilities to connect with our customers. So our goal is to advance our distribution businesses, our specialty businesses from a product point of view and our services businesses, while at the same time, driving sales increase share of wallet between these businesses. We're able to provide customers that are buying from one side of the business with a very good deal on products that are coming out of another part of the business. And so this helps drive up our sales and our margin. I don't want to monopolize the time because we have our CFO here, and Ron, perhaps there's something we'd like to add.

Ronald South

executive
#4

No, I do -- I think you touched on a lot of the major points there, Stanley. I think that in 2022, we did face some headwinds with decreasing PPE revenues, decreasing COVID test kit revenues, but the core business really grew well and helped keep us in a growth mode. I think that we haven't provided guidance on 2023, yet. We'll do that next month when we release our Q4 earnings. But we did indicate in past communication that we do expect some of those headwinds to continue into 2023. There are some pricing headwinds with gloves, which is our primary product. We talk about PPE, where the primary product there is gloves. And there continues to be kind of some market conditions that are driving down the prices of gloves, and we do expect that to continue for a while. Having said that, we were very happy with the growth that we're experiencing in our specialty products. We're really excited about the opportunities and the growth we're seeing with some of the software products that we're offering up in our -- from our technology business. And so we go into '23 with some optimism.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#5

Great. Maybe just following up on that comment regarding 2022. So during 3Q, you revised your guidance down to 1.5% to 2.5% sales growth from that 3% to 6% prior to reflect the strengthening of the U.S. dollar and then lower PP&E sales. So can you walk through how much of that difference came from the PP&E versus the FX? And then can you walk us through what you're seeing on PP&E that led you to that lower side of the expectations?

Ronald South

executive
#6

Yes. So I think for in terms of FX, and that's kind of the easier ones, that's the math, right? I think that our expectations then were that we would have about a 2.5 point to 3-point headwind from FX, if I recall. And the kind of -- the combined effect of PPE and COVID test kits would also be in that kind of 2 to 3-point range in terms of a headwind for us on revenue. So that was being offset by some pricing favorability we got in the inflationary environment as well as a little bit of volume growth -- and we also had the benefit of -- 2022 was a 53-week year for us, about every 6 or 7 years. We have that 53rd week. 2022 was a 53rd week, and we estimate that, that provides about one point of growth. So we got a little bit of a tailwind there as well as from the acquisitions -- We actually -- Our acquisitions, we probably got ended up with about 1.5 points of acquisition growth. So when you those headwinds and tailwinds kind of largely offset and you end up with this little bit of incremental growth that comes from volumes and a little bit of market share.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#7

Helpful. You mentioned driving down the price of gloves. Could you just walk through, was that some certain competitor? Was it an online retailer like Amazon? Or what really triggered some of that glove price decline? And how do you think about that pricing moving forward for the PP&E?

Ronald South

executive
#8

R No, it's largely commodity based, right? So what happened was if you go back to 2019, which seems like centuries ago now, right? But 2019, we had PPE revenues of about $450 million, that's a round number, but about $450 million. And obviously, we had no COVID test kit revenues in 2019. Glove pricing then was probably in the neighborhood of, call it, $0.065 per unit. What we -- what happened with the pandemic was that there was a significant increase because of the demand, there were significant increases in costs of the gloves, which were largely imported. A lot of the gloves come from China, Vietnam, Malaysia, and those costs approach $0.16, $0.17, $0.18 in some cases as we went. So pricing went up with those costs. Things more or less peaked, call it, summer of '21. And we've seen declines in net pricing since then. So our pricing has come down with that. So our margins have stayed relatively consistent during that period of time. But just order of magnitude, and these are disclosed numbers. Like I said, we did about $450 million in PPE revenues in 2019. In 2020, PPE plus COVID test kits combined we did about $1.2 billion, yes, $1.2 billion, $1.25 billion. In 2022, that number was over $1.7 billion. And now this year, we've -- our latest guidance indicated we expect about a 30% decline in that number from 2021 to 2022. So we've kind of have reached that peak and now we're starting to come back down. I think the landing point will be something that as a run rate will continue to be well north of the $450 million we did in 2019. But obviously, we're going to come off those levels that we had in 2020 and 2021.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#9

Helpful. And then maybe just since you flagged the margin. So on a total co basis for margins, you expect 2022 operating margin expansion of 20 to 25 bps over prior year. So what are the key margin drivers there? And then looking into 2023, what's your framework for driving margin expansion?

Ronald South

executive
#10

Yes. So 2022, we've benefited somewhat from a little bit of a change in mix in our revenue, right? So as we have seen some -- as our distribution revenue becomes a smaller piece of the pie because of the decline in COVID test kits and PPE, we see a greater part of that mix coming from the specialty business, which have grown quite well in 2022, and those are higher-margin businesses for us. So those are providing us with some gross margin expansion, which is a lot of which is falling to the bottom line for us. For us to continue to grow margins to that extent, we would have to continue to follow that formula. At the same time, we want to be sure that we continue to invest in the business. I think you're aware of our global e-commerce platform, which will be launching a pilot event in the U.K. in the early part of this year and then in the U.S. in the later part of this year in '23. So I do think that we want to be able to continue to invest in the business. So that type of investment can put some pressure on margins, but we feel very good about the long-term operating margin expansion opportunities that we have.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#11

Helpful. I think we had a question here.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#12

Yes, I was going to ask, What is the changing relationships...

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#13

Sir, one second, can you just wait for the microphone?

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#14

I was going to ask what the changing relationships with dental buyers groups, and in particular roll, private equity roll-ups of dental practices?

Steven J. Valiquette

analyst
#15

Do you want to start with that?

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#16

Dental roll-ups of private equity practices?

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#17

The private equity roll-ups of dental practice. Well, we've seen private equity roll-ups of dental practices that are trying to negotiate in a part of the gestalt of the putting 500 or 1,000 dental practices together is that they can leverage against you. So I want to understand how that relationship is panning out now?

Stanley Bergman

executive
#18

So yes, there has been quite a bit of consolidation. At the upper end, these are very large DSOs in the United States. Abroad, I think maybe I heard from Australia, Australia and New Zealand, there's a very -- there are a couple of very large ones. We do business with most of these, maybe there's 1 or 2 that we do this. One maybe or 2 that we don't do business with at the top end. These businesses generate very good income for us, but also we provide tremendous services to them, and they buy a lot of our own brands. They can be more clear with the -- so they can be more clear with their practitioners to focus on our own brands and our own manufactured specifically specialty products and a lot of them are customers of our software business. So when you take everything into account, these are quite profitable accounts. We don't obviously pay the commission, et cetera. The pricing may be lower. But at the end of the day, the profit isn't bad. It's quite good. It adds relative to our investment. And these orders are generally taken totally digitally. So the orders come right from the customer right into our warehouse. So the cost of doing business with these accounts is quite low. Of course, this is not only the case in dentistry, but the same with the IDNs in medicine on the human medical side. And these are a big part of today's Henry Schein business. And at the end of the day, is quite profitable.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#19

Because they have software, et cetera, I understand your cost to serve would be considerably lower straight through order et cetera?

Stanley Bergman

executive
#20

It's that we don't pay commission.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#21

Right and the flip side is how much do they save? How much lower is their pricing? And I'm thinking of it from the perspective of the private equity group rather than from your perspective?

Stanley Bergman

executive
#22

It's different for every customer. It depends entirely on the mix of products they buy from us with the -- whether we can work with a specific manufacturer who wishes to provide a particular charge back for that customer. It's very, very customized. But at the end, I believe we provide the best supply chain alternative for any of these large customers, dental or medical. We've been at this business for about 25 years. First one of these dental customers was in '92 and on the medical side, even before that. We're the largest player in this combined business. We provide, I think, outstanding service to our customers and provide very good pricing. I can't give you the specifics. I don't think we have a specific average discount.

Ronald South

executive
#23

No. But I do that, can I understand the purpose of your question, but I think often, when we get questions about DSOs, they're kind of -- they're framed in a sense that the DSOs are a threat to us. And actually, we see the DSOs as an opportunity. Our relationship isn't, as Stanley said, it's not just transactional. It's not who can sell cotton balls cheaper than somebody else. It is very much a strategic relationship. What can we do to help the DSOs grow their practices faster than the market. And that's I think it's a very healthy relationship that we have with them. Yes, they do get better pricing and they're going to get better gross margins. But as Stanley said, it opens up a lot of opportunities for us with our specialty products, with our software. And having that common platform, having that practice management system, which is common across the practices is a very attractive proposition for the DSOs, and it's one that we can offer, we think, better than anybody else.

Stanley Bergman

executive
#24

Just to add to what Ron said, it's not only about the price of the cotton ball nor is it simply about the practice management accounting system. The value we bring to these DSOs is enormous when it comes to practice management. We have, I think, the most advanced AI capabilities when it comes to managing a practice. And they're able to adopt these AI capabilities much better than the smaller practice because they have professionals that are in the IT space, for example, that can connect with us. So it's practice management and clinical management and quality of care that I think we can bring a lot to these practices.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#25

Helpful. Maybe shifting over to a few questions on dental here. So could you spend a few minutes speaking about dental instruments and what really drove the strength this year? Do you think this was simply a catch-up from not reinvesting over the course of COVID? Or do you think this was an underlying market shift?

Stanley Bergman

executive
#26

When you say instruments, are you referring to equipment?

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#27

Yes, equipment, apologies.

Stanley Bergman

executive
#28

I wouldn't say it was a catch-up per se. There has been a very strong demand for traditional equipment, dentist, have some pressure to modernize their practice. And it's in that connection that our traditional business has been quite strong. In fact, the demand outstrip the capacity of the manufacturers. That's starting to get better now. At the same time, there's a strong demand for digitalization and products relating to digitalization of the practice. I would say the demand is strong. It has been strong. We've mentioned this on our calls, but there has been quite a bit of price deflation in that area, not with any digital product or service, and that balances out. But I would say the demand for modernizing the practice, combined with the desire to digitalize the practice and the prosthetic application, in particular, not only in the dental practice, but communicating that impression to the lab and the digitalization of the manufacturing, the crown and bridge Chairside, but in the lab, have all been drivers. And today, we are, you may notice. I think you probably do the largest provider of dental laboratory products as well, where there's been a significant movement towards digitalization.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#29

Perfect. And then just since you commented on pricing pressure there. You noted recently at a conference that there's been some intraoral scanner pricing pressure. You talked about seeing some prices coming in from players now at the $12,000 range versus $20,000 to $25,000 historically. So how are these prices bringing the average or getting to the average market price? And then what do you think will happen with volumes given this price change?

Stanley Bergman

executive
#30

Well, I think we're moving towards an environment driven by COVID, I think, and the desire of an increase in -- by the public and customer satisfaction to move away from the manual impression to the digital impression. So the demand is very, very strong. And I think we have moved, we're moving or if we haven't gotten there yet, we're going to be soon to a standard of care where the scanner is going to be assumed to be the standard of care. The price between the different products that we offer has come down significantly, and the features have gone up. I wouldn't want to talk about a specific price because there's no average price given the fact that there's such a wide variety of devices available and lots of different software. So the price has come down, though, generally per unit. And I think we can expect that to continue, whereas the offerings from different manufacturers have increased and at the same time, a significant increase in demand.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#31

Helpful. Maybe shifting over to Europe. So Europe equipment sales came in below expectations during 3Q, but also you've publicly been very optimistic about this market. So can you just walk us through what really gives you confidence that the macro environment in Europe won't pressure dental CapEx spend?

Stanley Bergman

executive
#32

I'm not sure we dealt with Europe, Rachel per se, we dealt with our international business. And our international business equipment is quite strong. It has been that way for a while. I think there is a demand for traditional equipment, but the digitalization demand is quite strong outside of the United States. So we remain optimistic about the short, medium and long-term growth of our international channel equipment business.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#33

Perfect. And then can you walk us through the longer-term outlook for dental consumables sales? And whether that business can ultimately return to the level of growth seen before the last economic downturn?

Stanley Bergman

executive
#34

Yes. I think we are quite bullish about the future of dentistry. There have been many, many studies that have been published in the last decade, but I would say particularly in the last 6 or 7 years, showing a direct correlation between good oral care and good health care. And there's also a movement towards closer collaboration between dentists and physicians in the holistic approach of wellness and prevention. I think that many of the payers are starting to understand this. I would not -- I would say they're not everyone, but there is a strong demand for, we believe, for oral care going forward. Of course, within the product offering of Oral Care, there are different mix, there's a mix and a different emphasis could be placed on different parts of that mix. But generally, I think there is a growing demand for oral care products in the developed world and specifically in the developing world where oral care is viewed in a growing way as an important part of the consumer spend.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#35

Helpful. Question from the audience.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#36

I wanted to follow up on the consumable sales there. If you see a recession in the back half of '23 and maybe some of your DSOs start to kind of tighten their self-financing arrangements. Do you have any outlook on could consume book growth stay positive? Or is there a risk that people start to defer annual checkups?

Stanley Bergman

executive
#37

I think there's 2 questions in your's one related to DSOs and one related to general consumable demand. I think -- and Ron is quite a component of this concept, he should mention himself, that it very much relates to the unemployment rate. If we have a recession, and employment -- and maybe Ron, you can talk to that, and employment remains strong, I think we have much more of a cushion and less elasticity. If it goes down, it doesn't -- our experience has been -- it hasn't gone down for long, maybe a quarter or 2, and then it's bounced back. Maybe Ron can talk a little bit more to that. And then as it relates to the DSOs, I think some of the DSOs are leveraged very highly and the increase in interest rates could impact their desire or ability to invest heavily in the practice or certainly open new practices. So that could slow down. I'm not sure that's the case with the midsized regional DSOs. I don't think the interest rates certainly at these levels is playing a big role in slowing down investment by smaller practitioners because they can borrow based on their credit. But perhaps there's a challenge with the very large DSOs. Ron, maybe your thoughts on unemployment and historical trends.

Ronald South

executive
#38

Yes. A very important kind of just general variable to our business is the public's access to care. And at least in the U.S. much of our access to care comes through our -- the insurance that we have through our employer. And so we do look at the employment rates very closely. If you want to flash back to the '08, '09, kind of recessionary period, we were looking at unemployment rates of 10% or higher. And we're currently still trending below 4%. Now there are some out there who think that could tick up. I know Amazon just laid off, I think, 18,000 people. There have been other kind of relatively large layoffs announced recently. But I think if we can keep that at a fairly moderate level, it does help us. As long as people maintain that access to care, that's very good for us. And since '08 as well with the passage of the ACA, even people to the extent they can afford it, will still have access to affordable insurance even if they lose their jobs. So we think that is a positive market condition for us. In terms of our recession, various surveys out there with dentists have shown what types of procedures may be under more pressure if discretionary spending gets pulled back a little bit. And the one procedure that is seen as the least vulnerable is the general maintenance when you go in for your cleaning with the dentists, et cetera, right? The most vulnerable being implants in oral surgery because of there is a larger out-of-pocket element to that. So it is something we're watching closely. Having said that, I think the implant market is largely underpenetrated. I think that's a market that can still grow significantly. We're seeing very good growth from our value implant manufacturer that we have in Europe, and we don't think it's cannibalizing business from our premium implant manufacturer there. So we do think there's -- globally, there's still an opportunity for really, really significant -- greater penetration in that implant market, which will help subside a little bit the effects of a recession. And then kind of one last thought on recession. We feel like we're the market leader I've said if there's a recession, I don't see us going on defense and pulling back and trying to wrap ourselves in bubble wrap, so to speak, right? We have to stay on offense. We're going to continue to invest in our global e-commerce platform. We're going to continue to aggressively pursue a good merger and acquisition candidates. We have to stay on offense so that when the recession ends and they all eventually do end, that we have that momentum and that we can as opposed to then trying to gear back up and get that traction. We had that momentum coming out of the recession, and we'll be able to grow even faster at that point.

Stanley Bergman

executive
#39

Just to add a little bit to what Ron said, there is a growing tendency for government expenditure in this area. The overall Medicaid programs in aggregates have spent more money, and I don't see that going back, and in the United States, there is a movement towards government funding of aspects of Oral Care. Of course, this is quite extensive outside of the U.S.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#40

Great. Maybe shifting gears with still sticking with dental. Can you just walk us through how you're thinking about the clear aligner market acknowledge this is a smaller portion of the business, but how is this holding up versus brackets and wires? And then generally, in Ortho, can you talk about some of the areas where you could increase your penetration in that market?

Stanley Bergman

executive
#41

Okay. So we're a tiny player in the orthodontics arena. And essentially, we're not a player in going to the general dentists to sell orthodontic products. We essentially provide orthodontic products to some of our close DSO customers, both in terms of brackets and wires and in terms of aligners. We have a very good aligner product. We believe it's one of the best our clinicians that work with us, I think it's outstanding. What we were missing was the right kind of software, which we launched at the beginning of last year, and it makes it much easier for the practitioner to use our software. So we have a small aligner business. It's doing quite well. It's growing significantly, but it's to largely DSOs. We just announced an investment that we hope to close in the next month or 2 or 3 in the French business that sells implants, I believe they're the #1 implant company in France and aligners. That business has tremendous software for aligners and for implants, clinical software. Of course, the business in itself is a good business when we look at the products, and we expect it to do well for Henry Schein from a bottom line point of view. But it's a software that we would integrate with our software that we believe will give us a pretty good edge when connected to the Henry Schein One practice management software, give us a significant edge in the aligner field. We have no interest in going to the consumer directly but only working with practitioners a caution. It's a small business for us today, and it grows at a multiple that will not impact $13 billion of Henry Schein sales. So there are others that are more leverage when it comes to orthodontics that you should probably direct that question, although I'm happy to answer.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#42

Fair enough. Maybe just going back to some of the DSO comments. Some of your peers have called out DSO softness related to supreme issues they're having as they continue to build out and open. So can you talk about if you've been seeing this as well? And then typically, Henry Schein and other distributors have typically shined in de novo areas as they help pull together complete office portfolios. So are you seeing any delays in that part of the segment as well?

Stanley Bergman

executive
#43

In all modesty, Henry Schein does not have any supply chain issues. Maybe there are -- well, I know there are brands that are not available. But if a DSO calls us up and they want to open up an office tomorrow, we can do that. We have methodologies for bringing together everything so that all the products, consumables, equipment, service so that the DSO can open up an office tomorrow, I think we do that better than anyone else. We have more service technicians in the United States and globally than anyone else. So we do the servicing very well and supply chain is not the issue. Of course, during COVID, we had some challenges, we had lots of challenges, PP&E and perhaps more than others because we were very careful only to sell regulated product and product that went through our quality control, but supply chain is really not a big issue for Henry Schein. Of course, we can't install every units ordered right away for our entire customer base. But our customers generally get very good service. And if they need something right away, they'll get it.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#44

Acknowledge that you guys haven't really had supply chain issues on your front, but I was referring more to the supply chain issues as DSOs are physically building their buildings, having employees have would and everything to actually build their facilities. Sorry for not clarifying that.

Stanley Bergman

executive
#45

That is a big issue, absolutely.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#46

Yes so can you talk about that dynamic? And just the delay more at your customer as the DSO and then being able to outfit them?

Stanley Bergman

executive
#47

Right. I don't want to get into any kind of FTE issues here. But generally, and you can read the newspaper, it is still a problem to get a building fixed renovator, locks, the hinges, the doors and dentistry is not immune from that. That is a big issue. Just like if you want to rebuild your house. So it's not a FTE issue. I want to be careful. I'm not preannouncing a on equipment sales or anything, but I will say that dentistry and our medical customers are not immune from the general construction supply chain issues that we're experiencing in this country and I might add in a magnified way in Europe.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#48

Helpful. Maybe if we shift over to some comments around the medical side of the business now. So that's been growing high single digits. Can you walk us through how much of that was market driven share gains versus how much has really been driving Henry Schein's outpaced growth there?

Ronald South

executive
#49

Yes. I think our medical business is really -- a big part of our medical business is the IDN. And I think they've had -- I think a lot of our growth is deeper penetration to our existing IDN customers which includes the ambulatory surgical centers. I think the ASCs are probably amongst the fastest growing in the medical industry in terms of volumes of procedures and that being our kind of -- a big part of our core customer base has helped us. But we're also seeing -- I think we're getting some market gains with the independent physicians as well. I think there's been some good programs in place to kind of that really are focused on expanding that market for us, and it's been successful. So that team has executed really, really well in that area. From a product perspective, I think the medical business has also benefited from increased demand for point-of-care diagnostic kits. And we talk a lot about COVID test kits. But in addition to COVID test kits, before COVID test kits were there, there were flu diagnostic kits. There were strip diagnostic kits. There were others that we've really seen a resurgence in demand for those products kind of back to pre-COVID, if not higher than pre-COVID levels. So that's also been a big part of the growth of the business there.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#50

Helpful. And then a question from online here relating to more accounting issues. Does Henry Schein have any plans on switching to report cash EPS ex deal amortization in the future?

Ronald South

executive
#51

So what we've -- we've been asked this question in the past, and we have looked at our amortization expense and the effect on EPS relative to our EPS growth as well and that has never really been a significant divergence in that pattern of growth. And what we've said, and I'll continue to say it, is that If, in fact, we believe that, that pattern will begin to change, which would be the result of transactions, which have a higher degree of intangible assets associated with them when doing that purchase price allocation, then that might be the time for us to consider adding back amortization expense when reporting our non-GAAP EPS. So it is something that we are always evaluating and we believe the time is right to do that, we will do so.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#52

Then shifting back to medical. Can you just give us a refresh of which are the largest parts of the medical business, and each is growth algorithm? And then where are areas that you focus on in terms of market expansion in medical? Is it orthopedics, something else, just walking through that for us?

Ronald South

executive
#53

Well, can you say the first part of the question again, Rachel, I didn't quite...

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#54

Just kind of walking through what the largest drivers are of the medical business and the growth algorithms of those segments?

Ronald South

executive
#55

Well, yes, I mean I think that -- like I said before, the -- I think the growth in the ASCs is very helpful for us. And especially -- and we may have had a little bit of benefit early in the year, I think, of some pent-up demand, a lot of people who may be put off voluntary procedures that weren't urgent during the pandemic then decided to go in and have these procedures done. So I think there was very good demand at the ASCs, but we've seen that continue throughout the year. And so I think as more and more procedures are shifting from the acute care setting in a hospital to an ASC, we're getting some benefit from that. That's just that much more churn of product that is happening in that environment. I'm sorry, and the second half of the question.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#56

I think you actually covered it on that piece. So that was good.

Stanley Bergman

executive
#57

Can I just one quickly the orthopedic part of our business is very important for us as it relates specifically to the ASC. So we want to invest heavily in the orthopedic area. We've had a team on board now for 4 years that has been exploring this, and hopefully, no deal is done until it's done. Hopefully, we'll have expansion in that area in 2023. And at the same time, we have announced that our customers, specifically the IDNs would like larger home care support from us. We invested in 2 businesses, and we hope to expand that investment in the -- in 2023 following the patient.

Rachel Vatnsdal Olson

analyst
#58

Great. Helpful. And with that, we are out of time. So thank you so much for joining us to you guys.

Ronald South

executive
#59

Thanks very much, Rachel.

Stanley Bergman

executive
#60

Thanks, Rachel. Thank you.

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