Heritage Global Inc. (HGBL) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
November 9, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operatorGood afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Heritage Global Inc. Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call may be recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Michael Kim, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Michael?
Unknown Executive
executiveThank you, and good afternoon, everyone. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that this conference call contains forward-looking statements based on our current expectations and projections about future events and are subject to change based on various important factors. In light of these risks, uncertainties and assumptions, you should not place undue reliance on these forward-looking statements, which speak only as of the last -- as of the date of this release. For more details on factors that could affect these expectations, please see our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Now I'd like to turn the call over to Heritage Global's Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Ross Dove. Ross?
Ross Dove
executiveThanks, Michael, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Heritage Global's First earnings conference call. As you may know, we recently uplisted our shares to the Nasdaq stock market and successfully completed a public offering of our common stock, which I'll discuss in more detail a bit later. So as part of our effort to enhance Investor Relations, we wanted to provide the investment community with a forum to discuss quarterly results as well as review why we believe the company is positioned to increasingly leverage our differentiated, diversified business model. Heritage Global is an asset liquidation services company, specializing in financial and industrial asset transactions. We provide auctions, brokered asset sales, principal market making, secured lending and asset advisory services to a diversified clientele base across sectors and geographies. Turning to our performance for the third quarter, we reported strong results, highlighted by net income of $1.3 million, consistent with the third quarter of 2019 and adjusted EBITDA of $1.8 million, equating to a 28% growth over the third quarter of 2019. Focusing on industrial assets, Heritage Global advises enterprise and financial customers on the sale via auctions of industrial assets, mostly from surplus and sometimes distressed circumstances while acting in a range of roles, including as an agent, a guarantor or principal. During the quarter, we continued to capitalize on rising demand for the e-commerce of used surplus equipment as companies increasingly look to source more affordable machinery. As a result, we benefited from strong growth in online auction volumes and related revenue. In addition, auctions represent a key source of market intelligence for our valuation business, which provides industrial and wholesale inventory and equipment valuations to assist financial decisions in making lending decisions. Turning to financial assets. We have 2 powerful reasons for our optimism. First, we believe Heritage National Loan Exchange, or as we call it NLEX, is poised to benefit from accelerating volumes as nonperforming loans increasingly come to market. Remember, NLEX provides liquidity to issuers of consumer debt that are looking to monetize charged-off loans, which creditors have written off as uncollectible. Second, Heritage Global Capital continues to ramp up its business of providing specialty financing solutions for businesses small and medium-sized investors in charged-off and nonperforming asset portfolios. We're currently excited about deploying a portion of the capital we raised from our recent equity offering to fund secured loans to financial debt buyers. That capital is expected to generate attractive returns with upfront fees, interest income, ongoing fees and back-end participation. Looking ahead, we remain focused on driving sustainable growth by increasing, capitalizing on several powerful drivers. First, a more challenging economic backdrop typically drives increased supply of surplus and distressed assets and rising demand for liquidation services via brokered asset sales, which bodes well for auction volumes. Related to that ongoing social distancing as a result of COVID-19 pandemic, enhances the relative attractiveness of Heritage Global's online auction model. Second, we believe rising charged-off consumer loan sales, as indicated by banks significantly increasing their loan loss reserves will drive expanding volumes and commissions for NLEX, particularly given the continued growth of digital and other nonbank lending platforms. Third, with conventional lenders continuing to tighten underwriting standards to manage credit losses through the cycle, we believe Heritage Global Capital remains well positioned to capitalize on rising demand for capital by debt buyers. Fourth, the additional working capital from our recent stock offering enables us to accelerate a mix shift toward higher contribution principal deals in our industrial asset business as well as to support increased lending volumes in our financial assets business. Finally, we believe we remain poised to take advantage of consolidation opportunities across the highly fragmented markets with deep domain expertise though potential transactions must meet our rigorous strategic and financial criteria. With that, I'll now pass it over to our Chief Financial Officer, Scott West, for a deeper dive into our financials. Thank you.
Scott West
executiveThanks, Ross. For the third quarter of 2020, total revenue increased 14% year-over-year to $7.6 million, reflecting strong growth in services revenue, which were up 16% as well as higher asset sales. Importantly, we maintained multiple revenue streams across businesses, including brokered asset sales, principal auctions, sales commissions and advisory and secured lending fees on top of recurring forward flow contracts with industry-leading customers, reinforcing the sustainability of our top line growth. Gross profit, or total revenue less cost of services revenue and asset sales, totaled $5 million for the third quarter of 2020 compared to $5.3 million in the prior year quarter. With a modest decline, mostly a function of timing and activity of asset liquidation transactions as well as a mix shift between financial assets and industrial assets. Operating income grew 27% to $1.6 million compared to $1.3 million for the third quarter of 2019. The lower selling, general and administrative expenses, mostly due to the discontinuation of the equity partners at the end of last year was partially offset by slightly lower gross profit and higher compensation expense related to improved financial performance by the industrial assets division and additional headcount to underpin growth primarily at Heritage Global Capital. From a margin perspective, we believe that tailwinds going forward will include a favorable mix shift toward higher contribution businesses and fee structures as well as rising operating leverage, as economies of scale increasingly build within businesses and across platforms. We remain focused on managing expenses, both at the corporate level and across business units. And increasingly, leveraging synergies across processes and systems to drive further operational efficiencies. And as mentioned earlier, net income totaled $1.3 million or $0.04 per share for the third quarter of 2020, and adjusted EBITDA was up 28% year-over-year to $1.8 million from $1.4 million in the prior year quarter, reinforcing the building earnings power of our model. Net income and EPS were essentially flat year-over-year, reflecting lower tax expense for the year ago quarter with pretax income up 28%. At September 30, 2020, the company had aggregate tax net operating loss carryforwards of approximately $82 million, including $62 million of unrestricted net operating tax losses and approximately $21 million of restricted net operating tax losses. Substantially all of the net operating loss carryforwards expire between 2024 and 2037. Stepping back, increased principal versus agency revenue, more predictable event in transaction flow and rising contribution from our specialty lending division all bode well for a smoother forward trajectory for revenue and earnings, thereby driving improving EPS visibility and growth over time. Finally, turning to our financial position. The company maintains a strong and growing balance sheet with stockholders' equity of $16 million as of September 30, 2020, up 35% from the end of 2019. And net cash of $5.7 million. Importantly, our $5 million credit facility remains untapped and we raised $8.7 million of net proceeds from the company's common stock offering that closed on October 6, 2020. With that, we'll open up the call for questions. Operator?
Operator
operator[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Mark Argento from Lake Street Capital Markets.
Mark Argento
analystRoss, Scott, congrats on a solid quarter. Just wanted to dig in a little bit kind of in the environment we have right now. It's kind of a unique environment. You've got parts of the economy doing really well, starting to see maybe a little distress on the consumer credit side. Can you maybe just talk us through some of the things that you guys are focused on in terms of identifying opportunities and then in particular, on the financial asset side, is there a backlog there building in terms of assets that some of these institutions need to get out of their books?
Ross Dove
executiveSo I'll take it from here, and Scott can add on. This is Ross. And great to hear from you, Mark. So really, what you're looking at right now is what I would call a pent-up demand by the buyers of nonperforming loans. They've all raised a lot of capital, and they all look to borrow a lot of capital in this marketplace where it's available from people like us. But at the same time, there has not been enough product released yet. So they're looking at the loan loss reserves from the nation's lenders. They're looking at increased fintech assets that they think are going to become available very soon. There is obviously the new category, the buy now pay later assets that are about to come on market, too. So there's a general enthusiasm that there's going to be a lot of product. But I would say, honestly, that, that product, we're probably looking at not hitting until next year. We think with the election just finishing and everybody is still kind of being careful that you're really looking at a next year and the year after increase.
Scott West
executiveYes. I agree with that, Ross. It's kind of like the floods, the rains are pouring. The water is building up behind the dam. We know the volume is increasing, but we just haven't seen as much as we expect to see in the coming quarters and years.
Ross Dove
executiveSo on the flip side, Mark, in our industrial assets group, we've seen record attendance at our auctions and record pricing. Right now, the supply chain on new equipment has slowed down. The ingress and egress globally hasn't been what it was before at COVID. And even at this current point in time, used assets are bringing a premium in most of the sectors we're in and demand is very high because you're able to get those assets and purchase them real time. So we expect that to continue over the next year, and that we'll continue getting record crowds in very high prices on used equipment.
Mark Argento
analystAnd that pharma has been -- yes. No, that's super helpful. And then I know pharma is an area that you guys have built kind of an expertise from continued M&A activity in that space. You guys seeing continued activity there. Is that going to be a focus for you guys going forward?
Ross Dove
executiveYes. I mean, if you look right now, we have 3 assets currently on the book for Pfizer. Everybody who read world-class great announcement today that we're moving towards a vaccine, we think that not only bodes well for the world but we think is going to free up a lot of redundant assets as pharma companies across the world retool and as the governments put leverage on all of them to cooperate in rolling out these vaccines. You're going to see a strong purchase of new equipment, and you're going to see a lot of secondary equipment get to the marketplace, which is much needed by the smaller companies now. So we think it bodes well not just for the country, but we think it bodes well for the people that can take advantage of used equipment, increasing in volume.
Mark Argento
analystThat's great. And then just, Scott, just turning into the P&L here. It looks like you guys have some pretty nice leverage in the model here as incremental revenues kind of build. Maybe talk to you a little bit about how you think about how this model scales and in particular, kind of thinking about it in terms of incremental margin?
Scott West
executiveSure. Yes, happy to, Mark. So as a services based business, our primary operating costs are our people costs. And -- and so in terms of the fixed costs, in addition to the people cost, we have some rents and things like that. But our overall fixed operating costs are about $10 million a year. And so that's about $2.5 million per quarter. And as you know, we were broken out into two divisions of industrial assets and financial assets. On the financial assets side, for every $1 of incremental revenue once we've covered our fixed operating costs, then that drops about $0.75 to the, to the bottom line. And then on the industrial assets side, the -- for every incremental dollar of revenue, it drops about $0.40 to $0.45 to the bottom line. So the model is very scalable.
Mark Argento
analystYes. I was going to say hopefully put that NOL to use and yield some good earnings here. It looks like you got some nice margin or nice incremental margins there. And then just one -- last one for me, maybe for Ross. In terms of M&A opportunities, what's the high level criteria that you guys are really focused on there?
Ross Dove
executiveSo when we look hard at M&A right now in what I would call a very transitionary marketplace where there's really 2 different segments. In both segments, M&A would be what I would call probably more of a niche play of a bolt-on of a specialty entity. On the industrial asset side, it could be somebody with expertise in global arbitrage of medical equipment, it could be somebody that has a special understanding of hospitality equipment as the world changes. So they would be bolt on. And on the financial assets side, we think that there's just a ton of room for de novo organic growth and that the current plan is to go greenfield. So the capital we raised primarily wasn't raised as M&A capital, the capital we raised really primarily organic growth capital. We always have our eyes open, Mark, but it's not on our current plan. It's not at the forefront.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from Michael Diana from Maxim Group.
Michael Diana
analystI think the call is a really good idea for you to tell your story in your own voice. In Scott's remarks, he mentioned a favorable mix shift. And I think when you -- when he was just talking about the scalability of the financial side versus the industrial side, maybe he partly answered that question. But could one or both of you talk about the favorable mix shift, possible favorable mix shift?
Ross Dove
executiveThe thing that really we're most excited about is that we built this business so that we didn't need both businesses to do great at the same time. There were different times in different financial marketplaces where there's a lot of nonperforming loans, but there's a tightness in the amount of surplus industrial asset available and vice versa. So the good news is right now, we see tailwinds for very logical reasons in both businesses at once. And when both businesses at once synergistically are growing, it puts us in the best spot we could be in. Why is that happening? It's happening because there's a pent-up demand of nonperforming loans, and it's very unlikely that nonperforming loans magically become performing loans. So generally speaking, once they're not performing, whether they're getting sold now or getting sold in the future, the supply is growing. And simultaneous to that, there's a growth in the supply of industrial assets coming on the market that has nothing really to do with COVID. COVID created a huge buyer demand but the seller demand is because there's now going to be lots of technological advances as we move forward that are creating excess surplus assets. So there is -- the favorable mix shift is really the fact that -- what Scott is looking at is we believe we can get a higher contribution with the capital we raised, meaning we can act more as a principal. Or generally speaking, when we're a principal and a guarantor on the industrial asset side, there's greater margin than just fee-based. And we have more free capital there and simultaneously with us growing our capital and growing our credit lines on the financial asset side going to be able to put our capital to work, not just as an adviser, but as a principal lender. And taking that mix to where we can actually have a lot more capital out producing a lot more revenue, simultaneous to the growth in our fee basis. It bodes well, we believe, for the next 18 to 36 months. Scott?
Scott West
executiveYes. Thank you, Ross. And Mike, yes, with the generation of good profits, good cash flows, good EBITDA. What that does is it creates more opportunities for us. As you know, we have on the industrial auction side, the various options of a fee-based auction, commission-based auction or a guarantee or a principal transaction. And on the principal transaction and on the guarantees, our margins tend to be a lot higher. And having all this excess cash does give us a lot more opportunities to take advantage of these guarantee and principal auction options.
Ross Dove
executiveFair enough, Michael? And when Scott says it's excess cash, it's my job as the CEO to make sure it doesn't stay excess and make sure we deploy it.
Michael Diana
analystAll right. I like the 36-month part you mentioned. The longer the better.
Ross Dove
executiveEspecially for a young guy like me.
Operator
operatorThe next question comes from John Fichthorn from Dialectic Capital.
John Fichthorn
analystNice job on the quarter. Just looking out at next year at any point in time in the future that you're comfortable talking about with this pent-up demand, could you talk about the capital intensity or cap structure? However you guys think about it of the 2 different lines of business. And like how much more capital you're going to need to grow one of them out relative to the other one and what you think your -- you might need to do? Kind of how you balance capital needs versus revenue growth, really, if you...
Ross Dove
executiveAnd so there's a very different dynamic between the industrial assets division and the financial assets division. The reason is in the industrial assets division, there is a fairly rapid return on capital. So even if we bought transactions for $5 million, $10 million, $15 million, generally speaking, within 45 to 60 days, we can do an auction sale because most of what we're doing on the industrial asset side is really date certain sales. So it's not like a brokerage where you're buying it, putting on the market and waiting. We're pretty much marking the market. We're trying to be a principal and get it at the right undervalued price and then mark-to-market rapidly. So there's a constant return of capital. And because of the recycled capital, we have enough in the short run that we don't feel intense pressure. Now the flip side is on the lending side. When our clients come up to us and they want to buy a nonperforming loan portfolio, they're, generally speaking, going to collect the money over 2 to 4 years. So our capital is tied up for 2 to 4 years. Yes, we're getting high returns on it, but we're getting it monthly, not that all at once. So the only way to grow that business is with the combination of strong credit lines and strong financial partners, so it is more capital-intensive as you want to grow it in the industrial side. However, if we can stay continually profitable and continually build lots of free cash flow in the enterprise, and reinvest that cash flow, then we don't have to go out to the marketplace for any kind of an equity raise. We think that we can do a lot of organic growth by producing revenue and putting that revenue to work for us as both the principal on the industrial side and as a lender on the financial side and recreate growth. Is that a fair answer, John?
John Fichthorn
analystSure. And so I mean, that's a very -- frankly, it's a surprising statement, given the idea of pent-up demand for next year, which I fully buy into. And I keep hearing stories of this kind of wall of NPL that's going to hit the universe next year. It would seem to me like there's no way you're going to generate enough cash flow to recycle it into satisfying that demand. But maybe I don't -- maybe the cap structure is such so that the equity you have to put up is relatively low or there's a first loss feature or whatever else. It just seems...
Ross Dove
executiveThere is a first loss feature, and we have over $100 million in relationships in current commitments from large hedge funds that have already underwritten us and backed us. The reason for that is that we are a market maker in these kind of assets and that they're very comfortable that we know the right borrowers and that we can underwrite what an auto portfolio or a fintech portfolio or a credit card portfolio. This is tertiary is work. So we're comfortable that we're going to be able to leverage those relationships, grow new relationships and it combined between those relationships that we currently have and others we're working with that we can leverage their capital along with our capital and keep growing. At least, that's our next 2 year plan. And as we need more capital, capital is being raised every day for distressed debt. And we think that capital is going to rely upon knowledgeable domain expertise, operators like us.
John Fichthorn
analystThat's great. And the last -- my last quick kind of random question is, what's the most surprising thing you think we'll see from your markets? What's the thing that surprised you over the last 3 months, as you look out either in terms of sector that's doing better or worse or just whatever kind of surprising change you've seen in the market over the last few months that you think would be valuable to us to understand where your business is headed?
Ross Dove
executiveI think -- to me, I think that, unfortunately, and I don't want to be the grim reaper anyway. But I think, unfortunately, a lot of plants that were closed in the short-term because they thought that COVID was the reason they're closing. I think they're going to find out, and maybe it's not so much of a surprise to me as I think it's going to be them. That the world has changed. And when this pandemic is long over again, there are certain things that we experienced that are really going to change commerce for many, many years to come. I think it's going to have an impact on the hospitality industry. An impact on the travel industry and an impact on the aircraft industry. And I think that the surface contractors that are supporting those industries have many plants that may not reopen. They're going to have to be monetized and the assets transferred to other plants. If there's any surprise, I would say, it is the resilience of the secondary market. That when it looks like an industry may be struggling, there are entrepreneurs in other industries that have figured out how to really utilize e-commerce and buy those assets. So when we first worried about the impact of the pandemic on surplus assets, my surprise was the resilience of the secondary market and how those assets continue to sell at high prices and continue to get reutilized and continue to get absorbed, which really, I think says a tremendous amount about the entrepreneurship in America and the fact that these idle assets are all going to have a second life and that we're going to come out of this stronger than ever.
Scott West
executiveYes. John, this is Scott. I agree with what Ross just said. To me, the most surprising thing was just the speed in which the industrial assets division with the auctions at which the buyers came in, in record numbers and the prices that were achieved. We had a slowdown in March when most of the country in the world closed down. But by the second quarter, we were seeing record attendance at our auctions, and we were seeing record prices on the assets that we were selling, just in a very short window. So that's what I was most surprised by.
Operator
operatorThe final question comes from Mike Shlisky from Colliers Securities.
Michael Shlisky
analystI wanted to start off maybe by asking a little bit about the pent-up supply in the financial assets business. And maybe a little bit more about the cadence of how this might play out, whenever the dam will be opened. Do you think you're going to have one gigantic quarter where everything kind of comes on at once? Or is there going to be kind of a more measured approach? I think because the banks let the assets come out that way, but also because there's only so much that one can actually handle. Just some sense as to how this might look whenever we do see the asset that come to market grow.
Ross Dove
executiveRight. So it's a little bit not about the liquidity. We believe that the liquidity is there and the buying community into the capital is there. It's really about the lenders basically different appetites. So some of them are going to test the market, see the pricing and watch for others, and some of them are going to want to get out early and sell the assets that they've had pent-up demand in. So we think that there may be a faster growth in the amount of assets that come out of nonbank lenders, that come out of fintech lenders, that come out of buy now, pay later lenders, that come out of different various lenders that are not FDIC chartered institutions. And even though they have the loan losses in the FDIC chartered institutions, we think that could be a process over the next year or 2 of those loans coming out. And I don't want to say dripping out but I think that in the end, you're not going to see much change this year. You'll see volumes beginning to increase in Q1 and increasing -- and we estimate for the next 2, 3 years, every time we've seen the country go into increase nonperforming loans in the past, going back all the way to the S&L crisis in the FDIC days through the 2008 financial stresses. We saw that it was a 2 or 3-year period to rationalize the nonperforming loans and get the levels under control. So we're bullish on there being activity, but we're not looking for some massive 1 quarter or 2 quarter, get rich quick windfall. We're looking at a steady 2 to 3 year supply increase.
Scott West
executiveYes. I agree with that as well. I think the analogy back to the dam is I think the dam will start to open up but I don't think it will come crashing down all at once. So I don't think there will be a huge influx in any one quarter. But we have seen that these lenders do kind of operate in tandem. So I do expect that when it does turn and opens up, I think there's going to be an increased flow that we'll see for multiple quarters and years actually in light of what's been happening across the macro economy.
Michael Shlisky
analystGreat. And just to follow-up there. On your Heritage Global Capital business, do you feel like what you just raised, and you actually have a pretty solid cash balance as of the end of third quarter, by the way. Does the cash you've got available to you, does that allow you to follow that kind of multiyear tailwind? Or do you have to probably get some more capital after the first of year or 2?
Ross Dove
executiveWe have a very strong belief that with our performance and our ongoing continued performance that the $5 million credit line that we have with our incumbent lender will be expanded. We haven't really pursued big expansion yet because it's been untapped. But as we tap it and show that we're using it in an accretive fashion and as we're growing the business, we believe that we'll be able to increase our debt position based upon our profits. So we're not anticipating going out to the marketplace for more capital right away. Will I make a promise that we never will? No. I can't make that promise. But it's nothing we're currently working on. It's not on our plate. It's not on our agenda. We are actively negotiating with our capital partners to also expand our alliance there. And any time we can, obviously, drive down our costs with all of our capital partners. But we feel pretty good that over the next 18 months, we've got visibility that we could put out enough money to make a big, big difference in our earnings.
Scott West
executiveYes. As we all know, the best time to ask for increased capacity on a line of credit is when you don't need it. So -- but we're real pleased with -- obviously, with the profits we're generating, the cash flow from operations, EBITDA, et cetera, in our cash position. So I hope that helps, Mike.
Michael Shlisky
analystSure. Yes. I mean, obviously, when you raised capital this past time, you did it with much greater return profile in mind. That's probably well beyond the cost of capital. So kudos to you for that. You wouldn't ask for the money if you didn't have good possible uses for it, of course.
Scott West
executiveCorrect.
Michael Shlisky
analystMaybe -- yes. Can you maybe also just -- maybe I have two more here. Can you maybe give a sense as to the growth rate that you've got in your business, that deals with some of the fintech lenders out there? Is it above the company run rate? Or is it below at the current time?
Ross Dove
executiveSo about half the nonperforming loans we sell. I mean fintech is a pretty very broad category, but about half of loans, I would say, digital commerce loans. And the other half are basically old school, auto loans and credit card loans and bank loans. So it's about half digital commerce. Going forward, we think it's going to be maybe 60% to 65% digital commerce over the next 24 months. It's hard for us to know how many of the larger banks and money center banks are going to use a third-party broker to sell their assets versus sell them direct on their own. We think there's a much more growing cadre of digital commerce clients who are new to the business, who are going to want the open sea and the transparency of using somebody like us who's got a large built-in base of buyers. So -- but that's a fair answer. Our best guess would be maybe getting up to eventually 2/3 nonbank fintech and 1/3 traditional banks.
Michael Shlisky
analystGot it. And maybe one last one for me here. Did the results of last week's election -- does it change the environment for you in any way from a regulatory standpoint, do you think? And will it be for the positive or for the negative?
Ross Dove
executiveWe're not going to pretend it. We're CNN versus FOX News here at Heritage. So this is the one question I'm happy to say, I'm clueless and don't know. And you're not going to trick me into guessing. You're the analyst, not me. I'm just an operator.
Scott West
executiveWhoever won, it's not going to change the fact that the volume of the assets that we sell are increasing.
Ross Dove
executiveHave a great day. And I'd like to thank everybody and end the call by saying that this is our first live earnings call, and we're extremely appreciative to have the opportunity to get the tell our story, to get to speak with you all, and we're grateful and thankful for those of you who dialed in and wanted to pay attention and those of you who will listen later. And we're going to do everything we can here at heritage to bust our -- whatever you bust in order to really make sure that we perform and make you all proud. So thank you very much.
Operator
operatorThank you. This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating, and have a pleasant day.
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