Howard Hughes Holdings Inc. (HHH) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

September 6, 2023

New York Stock Exchange US Real Estate Real Estate Management and Development investor_day 98 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Eric Holcomb

executive
#1

Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the first Investor Day for Howard Hughes Holdings. My name is Eric Holcomb, I'm the SVP of Investor Relations. We're happy that everybody could join us here today in the Seaport in Lower Manhattan. For those of you here in the audience, thank you for joining us and for everyone on the webcast. Thanks so much for tuning in. Before we begin today's presentation, I would like to direct you to our website, howardhughes.com where you can download the Investor Day presentation that will be presented during today's event. You may also download our supplemental financial package, which includes reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures that will be discussed today in relation to their most directly comparable GAAP financial measures. Certain statements made today that are not in the present tense or that discuss the company's expectations are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Securities Laws. Although the company believes that the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are based on reasonable assumptions, we can give no assurance that these expectations will be achieved. We have a lot of great topics today that will be covered by our CEO, David O'Reilly, our President, Jay Cross; and our CFO, Carlos Olea. But before we begin the presentation, we have a short video to play that will give you an overview of what we do here at Howard Hughes and how we create shareholder value every day. With that, I turn your attention to the screens. Thanks for joining us. [Presentation]

David O'Reilly

executive
#2

All right. So thank you, everyone, for joining. Hope you enjoyed the video. I know every time I watch it, I realize how fat the back of my head is, it's kind of scary. It's an angle, I don't get myself that often. But I'm going to kick us off and going to talk a little bit about the state of the business and where we are today. And the results that we've seen since our last Investor Day a little over a year ago. Talk a little bit about where the market is today and how we think that's going to impact our business for the next year going forward and what you should expect to see from us in terms of results. I'll turn it over to Jay, who's going to walk through our near-term and longer-term planning on the development pipeline, not just the projects, but how those projects fit into the overarching master plan and why we don't think about just this building, but how this building fits into everything else. Carlos is going to then take over and touch about our HHCommunities, which is our ESG, if you will. And our strategy as it relates to sustainable and inclusive communities. And as was mentioned in the video and as Carlos will say again, we do it not because we're solving for some test than an institutional investor set up for us as a scorecard. We do it because it's the right things to do for our residents. Is it makes our communities better and therefore, creates more value for us and for value for all of our shareholders. We'll turn to the balance sheet. Our debt maturities and swaps, which I know everyone is very focused on in today's capital markets and then update our NAV based on what we did the past two Investor Days, same methodology. Standard set of assumptions coming from the same third-party sources and it's an illustrative sum of the parts analysis. So turning on to our State of the Business. At the end of the day, taking a step back, what is Howard Hughes? Well, we're a community builder. And we have an incredible track record of delivering outsized risk-adjusted returns. We sell land to homebuilders, residents come in and move into our communities. Those residents want amenities. We build those amenities that outsized risk-adjusted returns, which therefore, in turn, makes our communities more valuable, more people want to move in, and that cycle goes on and on. That virtuous cycle of value creation is one the unique synergies we have by integrating land, master plan communities and operating assets and a development skill set. The other really importantly is the self-funding business model we have. Carlos will go into this a little bit more detail, but the recurring cash flow of our operating assets or NOI, the net proceeds from our land sales and condo sales cover our interest, overhead and the rest is the equity to fund our development. We don't raise third-party equity. We don't dilute our shareholders to drive these returns. Our communities, as you saw in the video span from Wall Street to Waikiki. And today, you've recently seen one of our announcements we created HH Holdings, or HHH, changed our ticker. And the reason for that was simple, we wanted to segregate our real estate assets that remain in HHC as a subsidiary of HHH from our non-real estate assets, namely our Investment in Jean-Georges restaurants, a passive minority investment and our ownership of the baseball team, the Las Vegas Aviators. The transfer of the Aviators is still subject to final details of Major League Baseball, but we're hopeful we can effectuate that by the end of the year. And what this really does is it takes our non-real estate assets and the volatile nature of their cash flows away from the covenants associated with our traditional real estate debt that still stays in HHC. So it just makes it for cleaner reporting and allows us from an internal reporting standpoint to make it more clear and make it easier to maintain our debt covenants. It has really no impact on the day-to-day operations of the business, nor should you expect any sort of major announcement as a result of this. Turning to our MPCs. The results have been nothing short of spectacular. In an interest rate environment that's gone from the 2s and 3s to the 6s, 7s and 8s when nobody is ever going to buy a home again, we've actually shown the opposite. Almost $270 million and trailing 12 months of MPC EBT and 19% increase in price per acre. We're selling more acres at a higher price per acre because people still want to buy homes. I'll talk a little bit more about that later. Some of those results were driven in a couple of examples. The first is Aria Isle in the Woodlands and the Woodlands Lake in the middle of our great community. We had 15 acres. We sold for $2.8 million per acre. Unfinished lots to builders or homeowners that are going to build their own custom homes, a record price per acre north of Houston. We have two lots left, and we're going to make sure we get a great price on those two. Also, a recent announcement in Bridgeland. Yesterday, now in morning, we put out a press release where Chevron closed on 77 acres of commercial land in Bridgeland Central. To me, this is the snowball that starts rolling downhill that hopefully creates an avalanche of development opportunities in Bridgeland. More commercial as other companies follow suit and follow Chevron that's building an R&D facility focused on low carbon future. I think that's alternative energy, but we'll use their words. And they have -- part of that purchase, they have an option on some incremental acres should they choose to expand. We think this is not just a catalyst for commercial development but also for incremental home sales and absorption within our multifamily properties as well, as well as increased demand for retail, and Jay is going to talk about some of those developments that we have real time, some of which are out of the ground, some of which will start in the next quarter or two. In Teravalis, we have created almost the entire first village of Floreo 330 acres, we have graded the commercial acreage as well. We have LOIs in place with five homebuilders and expect to turn those LOIs into contracts and to sell on our first 500 or so lots by the end of this year. We're also in negotiations with a grocer as well as a hospital system that takes some of the commercial parcels. It's now moving and it's moving very quickly, perhaps a little bit slower than we envisioned when we first acquired it, given the change in housing market, but the demand is still there, and the demand is there at a price per acre well in excess of our basis of about $17,000 an acre. Our operating assets continue to deliver. And post pandemic, the world decided no one was going back to the office, I think we're trying to break that rule. Our office NOI climbs higher. Our retail NOI has grown. Our multifamily NOI has grown to 29%. As we continue to deliver these developments within our communities at outsized risk-adjusted returns. Digging deeper into office, year-over-year comparing this first half of this year to last year, we're up $6 million, almost 10%. And that's been driven by the leasing that you see on the top right-hand side of the slide. It's been across all three of our communities. And if I just take the three largest buildings in each of our markets. 9950 Woodloch Forest, 6100 Merriweather Colombia and 1700 Pavilion in Summerlin. They're 9195 and 72% leased and that 72% lease has another 20% negotiation, not including those leases and negotiation. Those three buildings alone drive $18 million of NOI, once those leases have been built out and the free rent is burned off. Meaningful growth in an office portfolio that last year did $111 million. And all that lease-up has occurred in the past year, predominantly in the past 2 quarters, as you can see in the chart. Across multifamily, nothing short of dynamic results. We continue to build buildings and lease them up as fast as we can, and the growth in our NOI there has been absolutely superb. And part of those results go back to the competitive advantages that we have as a master planned community developer as a community builder. We own the overwhelming majority of the Class A multifamily in our communities. We own the vacant land and as a result, have a unique ability to influence new supply. We're pretty much the only one that can deliver new multifamily in any of our communities. That's an incredible benefit as you think about developing. And there's three examples here, one in Bridgeland, one in Downtown Columbia, one in Summerlin, where we show -- and I'm not going to read all these numbers, you guys can see it fine enough. The rents we first started leasing at, the rents we're currently leasing at, and then on the bottom half is the second phase of the brother or sister property that's above. Now if these were competitive properties, the owner of the first property on top would cut their rates to hold their tenants and make sure they didn't move across the street to the new property. But because we own both of them, and we own all the multifamily in these communities, we raise rates. You want to go? Go, it's cool. We hold the line on higher rates and it drives even better performance at our new properties leasing up at rates higher than expectations at higher than market. And the results across all three of these, I think, really demonstrate that. When we started out with Tanager and Summerlin at a $1.96 back in 2019, not that long ago, and today, we're up at $3.11 at the sister property right next door. Competitive advantage of dominant market share resonates time and time again. It doesn't office as well. Across our retail portfolio, use landing Downtown Summerlin and the ground floor at Hawaii incredibly resilient as well. I'll focus a little bit on Downtown Summerlin because I think this is our largest by far away. I don't think, I know it's our largest by far away and contribute to most of our retail NOI, we've had incredible success coming out of the pandemic backfilling weaker performing tenants with better performing tenants, LOFT to NIKE increasing sales 790%. CHICO'S to Free People. And most recently, at least we just signed our first luxury brand in Downtown Summerlin, replacing Barbell Apparel with Chanel. We don't have sales data yet because we're still just planning and we're going to start construction there shortly. But all of those have driven those sales per foot number that you see on the top left, higher as we replacing weaker tenants with better performing ones. This is a Darwin moment. The short-neck giraffe are going away. And we look at those expirations over the next three years of 355,000 square feet as an incredible opportunity to drive performance higher. We have the property that brands want to be in that retailers want to be in, and we're going to be incredibly selective about which tenants we renew and which tenants that we do not renew and specifically upgrade to better concepts over time that drives the performance of the center higher and higher every quarter. In our Strategic Development segment, we've completed five buildings over the past couple of years a great returns, and those returns continue to go higher as our same-store results increase quarter-over-quarter as we drive those rates higher. And right now, under development, we have 2.2 million square feet, about $1.8 billion of total costs in five regions. And we believe the returns that we're going to see on those are going to look very much like what we saw on the first couple of billion of projects that we executed, 9% return on cost, 21% levered return on the first $800 million of equity we invested. Outsized risk-adjusted returns given our dominant market position in communities that we have unique control in. Occasionally, those development properties that we have don't necessarily fit into the broader scale of what we do. We want to own the Class A office. We want to own the Class A multifamily. We want to own the mixed-use retail downtown destinations. I don't necessarily need to own the hotels or a one-off strip center on the edge of the Woodlands or self-storage facilities. And to that end, some of the times that we build these assets, we will look to monetize. Here's two examples that we've done over this past year or past couple of quarters, and two projects that we built for a total of $37 million we sold for $38 million -- $27 million to $38 million, almost a 2-0 unlevered multiple of capital in 4 and 5 years. I don't think these returns are available to typical real estate developers. I think they're available to us given our unique position within these communities. And Ward Village has been nothing short of astounding even throughout the pandemic with over $3 billion of revenue harvested to date, at a 25% to 30% margin. We have six completed, three under construction, one under presales, and we'll talk a lot about those projects coming up. First, the six that we've completed. We have five of the six completely sold out. We have two units remaining in the last build in Ko'ula. You can put your name in a hat to order one on the way out in the back, get them now before they're gone. Again, and delivering on 2,700 units with nominal equity and great returns on equity, great multiple of capital on all of these deals. And we're going to continue to do that again on the next towers, which Jay will get into a lot more detail on. At Seaport, we've seen a record level of foot traffic here. As the local residents and local New Yorkers have come back in tremendous numbers, a 47% increase, '22 over '21 and continued momentum into '23 and a 10% increase. This has driven a 61% increase in revenue and driving our retail sales higher, driving our concert performance higher, driving our restaurant performance better. And we can see that in a lot of what we're going to do, and I'll talk in a couple of slides. First, on our landlord business here at Pier 17, where we're in, we have ESPN and Nike. ESPN is now extended through the end of 2025 and 88,000 square feet of available space that we are laser focused on leasing. A small portion of it is what you're in today. This is the second for spec suite. The vast majority of it is on the fourth floor above ESPN and Nike, we'll tour that a little bit later on. On the other side of the FDR within the iPic, the full market building, we're 100% leased. iPic is open and running, doing very well. On the third floor above them, Alexander Wang is in build-out and they should be moving in and paying rent by the end of this year. On the ground floor, we have the Lawn Club, which is, I think bowling alley but with long games, Croquet and you throw the bean bag into the wooden thing, cornhole is what they call it. For anybody who wants to come in with food and drink, and that will be a great activation on the ground floor of the Cobblestones. Throughout the rest of the Cobblestones were 72% lease with mixture of long-term leases like McNally Jackson books and somewhat temporary pop-up like Funny-Face Bakery or HIIT The Deck. On the roof, this has been an incredible year, and the momentum continues to grow for our concert series on the roof. And this is just concert series. This is not including the activations that we do. Year-to-date, and we're not through all of our shows just yet. We're exceeding concert sales of any year that we've done previously with over 3100. Our profitability per concert has increased meaningfully year after year after year as we refine our business model, get better access sell-through and figure out a way to -- at the end of the day serve beer faster, more efficiently, drive better profitability, and that's what we continue to do. The results here have been spectacular. And one of the best concert venues, not just in New York, but I think in the East Coast. Our restaurants continue to perform better and better that increased foot traffic is driving higher revenue per square foot and higher profitability per square foot. The names of the restaurants have been protected so that we keep everybody anonymous. But at the end of the day on the right-hand side, the profitability that we're seeing on a per square foot basis I think, is at one -- and at least one, it's meaningfully above where we would lease this space on a traditional lease. And five years ago, when we said, I'll run the strategy to partner with restauranteurs instead of sign a lease with them, it was because we wanted to capture the upside. But we also wanted to mitigate our downside that if a restaurant on a lease went away, they just lock the door and take off. Here, we have partners that have invested with us that are committed with us that have invested in these restaurants and want them to be successful, and we're seeing that in the results and it continue to get better and better every year. The Tin Building, we have talked a lot about the Tin Building. The traffic, the revenue have been exceptional. The sit-down restaurants have exceeded our expectation. The fast casual retail and e-commerce have lagged a bit. And the team is working right now on refining each one of those business models and getting them into the profitability. I put an example of one of our restaurants and our first-hand experience on the bottom right because it's not unusual to see a restaurant as it first opens, lose money, but eventually, very quickly turn to profitability. As you refine the menu, you refine the operating expenses, you refine the price, you get it just right. It takes time. And one of our most -- the most profitable restaurants that we have here in the Pier, our first 12 months were tough. But that's what it takes. And in the Tin Building, we don't have just one, but we have 21 venues. So we're refining that model for each one of those 21 venues real time. And is it taking longer? Clearly. But it's getting there, and it's going to get to profitability. All right. Pause there. That's a little recap of the results and will shift to some of the market dynamics out there and how they're impacting each segment of our business. First, on the homebuilding side, yes, nationally, if you look at the correlation between home sales and mortgage rates correlated. I don't think it holds up within our markets. What we've seen is that the rise in interest rates hasn't dampened demand as much as it's changed supply. The higher interest rates has taken resales out of the market. So the only thing left to meet that demand of a homebuyer is new construction. And there's limited lots out there, which means homebuilders still need our land and they're still paying up for our land. I'll go into it in a bit more detail. Again, national home sales decently correlated with interest rates and for the stat peaks out there like myself and [ R squared ] of 0.27, pretty good. In Houston and Las Vegas, much less so. And in fact, in Las Vegas, it's negatively correlated with rates, which I don't understand. But it happens. So going back to 2000, what is the mix of total sales been? In the shaded areas, total sales, the dark blue are resales, the light blue are new home sales. And for the first few years after the turn of the century, they were largely on top of each other. And then in 2009, 2010, they diverged and we saw a 12-year period of divergence coming out of the GFC, where resales were the predominant number of new home sales. And more recently, what we're seeing is that divergence coming back together. That yes, overall home sales nationally, the blue shaded area over the last year has come down. But resales have come down so fast that new home sales going back to the middle of last year are up 26%. That's what drives homebuilder demand for our land. Clearly, people are still buying. And the average price per foot that they're willing to pay for a home is pretty sticky. It hasn't fallen off a cliff. What has changed is the size of the home that folks are buying. Higher interest rates clearly impact affordability and my head is not completely in the sand on that. But you may give up that bonus bedroom, you may give up that third car garage, you may postpone the pool for a couple of years. You're reducing the size of your home, but you're still paying a pretty fancy price per square foot. That really locked in our land value that the price per square foot hasn't moved. I talked a little bit about how new sales are filling the gap. This shows it, the dark blue line on the left is existing inventory and how it's declined over the past 7 years, while the new home inventory, the light blue line has increased. On the right, we show that the 13% of all home sales over the last 20 years, have been new home, only 13% over the last 20 years. Today, we're bouncing around 29%, 30%. The makeup of home sales of new home sales has doubled and we see that continuing to go higher, as the higher rates means those that have a low mortgage rate are very reluctant to sell their homes. The most valuable asset they have in their home is in their car, jewelry, art or anything physical, it's their mortgage. And selling their home means giving up their greatest asset. Couple that with continued record low inventory of vacant developed lots within our markets, both within Bridgeland and Summerlin. And new home sales that drove meaningfully higher in the first half of this year, gave us incredible confidence to raise our MPC EBT guidance by $70 million or 30% at the midpoint on our last call. All of those tailwinds can be great confidence into the second half of this year. And I believe into '24 as well. Turning to our operating assets. We continue to be focused on closing the gap between our in-place NOI and our stabilized NOI. And how are we going to do that? Well, the biggest component of it is within our existing assets. And we talked about our 3 largest office assets and we have $58 million to close the gap out of those. Those three assets alone, which are 91%, 95%, 72% leased, again, represent 50% of that. Turning to retail. We have some Ward Village for COVID concessions burning off as well as the turnover of the older warehouse retail that we've knocked down, build a new tower with new ground floor retail. Once that tower is complete, we'll lease that up and close that gap as well as the mark-to-market of those new tenants that I talked about in Downtown Summerlin starting to pay rent. In multifamily, 70% of it is in two assets that have recently completed that moved from the under construction into the existing assets that are 87% and 49% lease, that's 70% of that. Within the new construction, it's mixed between multifamily, single-family for rent, medical office, a small office building in Summerlin South; and two, retail at the ground floor of condos at the bottom of our towers and Ward Village. Jay can talk about each one of those projects in more detail and why we believe in them and why they're going to continue to deliver this NOI over time. All of that, we increased our guidance in our operating assets, again last quarter to a low end of the range, up 1%, upper end up 4%, 2.41% at the midpoint. Meaningful jump from what we had previously, and we're optimistic that we'll continue to be able to see our NOI drive higher and higher each year moving forward. Our strategic developments continue to move on time and on budget. We have a single-family for rent medical office building and an office building in Summerlin South, all under construction, all on time and on budget. We're excited for those to come to fruition. We're just starting to lease up this single-family front, Wingspan right now, and the results so far have been excellent. New condos coming down the pipe. We have three that are in construction, Victoria Place, The Park, Ulana. One that's in presales, which construction will start, hopefully pretty soon that we'll deliver in 2026. These four towers that are 100% sold, 93% sold, 99% sold and 83% sold represent $2.5 billion of revenue. Ulana is our last reserved workforce housing tower that's about a zero margin but the other three towers are well within our guidance range of 25% to 30%. Beyond that, there are four more towers that we are designing, getting ready for that are behind the scenes, and Jay has a lot more color on those, we'll talk about in a bit. And those are our deliveries between '27 and 2030. All right. Finally, what we need to do with the Seaport and what the market outlook is for Seaport going forward. First, Pier 17 leasing this 88,000 square feet is got to be job one. That is what we are entirely focused on. We have to execute that to get to profitability. In the historic district, we have to open those two new tenants, Alexander Wang and Lawn Club, and we have to lease the balance of the retail in the historic district. 72% leased today, 28% to go. And in the Tin Building, we have to get those fast casual retail and e-commerce outlets optimized. Delivering the results that we anticipate. And I think those results are within reach, something that, again, the team is incredibly focused on. All right. I've said a lot, I've taken a lot of time. I need a drink of water. I'm going to turn it over to Jay and let him walk us through the development pipeline.

L. Cross

executive
#3

Thanks, David. Good afternoon, everybody. So as David mentioned, often times when we were talking about our development pipeline, we're talking about individual buildings and what those expected returns are. But I think it's important to consider that the way we think about what are we going to develop when and where. It's always based on what is the master plan, what's the master plan for that community. And we have to constantly look down the road 5 years, 10 years and 20 years to think about what's going to fill in when and how, so that at any given point in time, the community looks like it's a complete community. So what we thought to do today is we've walked through all six regions. Tell you a little bit about how we see the region developing longer term and then what we see happening in the short term. And of course, we'll start with the biggest, Texas and the Woodlands in particular. So Woodlands and for us is really kind of the model for our other communities because it's the most mature, it's got the most development. It's 28,000 acres. And now it's a completely as a result of the Aria Isle sale. It's completely sold out in terms of single family for home. And we're focused on the little blue edge as you see all around the perimeter of it. Now well that may seem like not very much, it's actually 700 acres. And the big three pieces of it are research for us where divisional life science coming in terms of a campus eventually, Hughes Landing, which is a mixed-use community on the lake, and then what we'll talk about today, which is the Waterway and the Town Center. So as we focus on the Waterway and the Town Center, even the Town Center has got a huge amount of potential. When we focus on our corporate headquarters at 9950 and then Occidental world headquarters, that's adjacent to us, we see a corporate campus in the lower right-hand side of build-to-suit around the lake. And that will be the heart and soul of the Class A office space in Woodlands. As we move a little bit further to the west, we have an existing multifamily community. We'll continue with two more pads in there. And then as we get to Riva Row and six Pines Retail, we'll talk a little bit about that. Now we're talking about something is going to happen in the next couple of years. And then as we flow further to the west, we eventually get to the lake front where we're building our first luxury condo in the Woodlands. And then in between, we've got other sites that are all starting to fill in with senior housing, more multifamily and the blue squares where we're talking to the township about -- township lands that are in the path of development and how can we knit it all together. The other thing we do is we also work hand-in-hand with not only the township but other landowners around us. So in the case of the downtown Woodlands, we've got Market Street, which is super successful headquartered at the top by HEB and then the Brookfield Mall, which is on the right side. Brookfield got approval to build more retail and a parking lot and two hotels and came to us because of our restrictive land use covenants to seek permission to do so, and we started talking about how we can work together. And one of the big aspects of this is we can introduce multifamily onto the shopping center site and more importantly, knit the shopping center into Market Street and into the Woodlands Waterway Square, where we have the Westin Hotel, the Marriott Hotel and our remaining retail in downtown and then start to think about how one communicates along the Waterway past Riva Row to the Amphitheater, back up to Market Street. And we see this loop really being the heart and soul of the Woodlands, which we hope to develop in the next couple of years. Riva Row is about to start construction literally any day now. We closed on a $93 million construction loan, hurray. And this will be the nicest multifamily that we've built to date. Concrete structural frame, [ main frame ] building, enhanced amenities, townhouse is wrapping the parking facing both the Waterway and the Street Riva Row. And directly across the Waterway from that, we're now starting to think about, a small retail development, we call it Tiny Box, which is just a cafe, a garden center, indoor and outdoor garden center, an event space and performing space. And while this is a small dollars, say, $10 million or $12 million, it's this kind of texture. It's very, very important, we think, to get insert into the downtowns and make sure that downtown sounds always feel vibrant. People are always finding uses and places to go. And then finally, the [ electric ] condo. This is probably the most exciting project we've got in the Woodlands right now. It's designed by Robert Stern. It's 110 large apartments ranging from 2,500 to 3,500 square feet, four penthouses, four town houses, set in a beautiful landscaped park on the lake and really is designed for the long-term Woodlands resident who's got 8,000 to 10,000 square foot home. Their kids have grown up and moved out. They don't want to leave the Woodlands. They're the members of Carlton Woods, they've got their doctors. They go to all the five hospitals there, but they are attracted to a lock-and-leave lifestyle. And in our little bit of pre-leasing and whisper campaign that we've done, we realized this market is very deep. And so we're hoping this project is going to be underway by second quarter of '24. We'll start going into the market before now and the end of the year on presales. And then as David mentioned, sometimes we have retail assets that don't figure in the long-term play for Howard Hughes and so we disposed of them. And this is a good example. This was the very first retail, strip retail in Grogan's Mill, one of the early, early villages in the Woodlands, but it's not sufficient for us to just let it go and then generate over time. So in this particular instance, we came back and bought this retail center, and now we're going to repopulate it, re-lease it and bring it back into the 21st century to demonstrate to people what our commitments long term, we're there to make the entire township viable, we're not actually just focused on one place or another. And then finally, we have a very robust national campaign now across the country and look for corporate tenants who want to relocate to our campuses, whether it's Woodlands or Bridgeland, Summerlin or Colombia. In this case, we'll do a build-to-suit for virtually anybody from 50,000 feet to 1.5 million and everything in between. And so we're trying to showcase here the flexibility we have, the great locations, the profile and what we think could be the future of office. So Bridgeland, fastest-growing community in Texas about half the size of the Woodlands 13,000 acres, 8,000 rooftops, 20,000 residents. We've been focusing up to now in Lakeland Village and Parkland Village and only just a little bit of neighborhood retail. But with the Chevron sale and our first HEB grocery release, we now realize we need to focus on Bridgeland Central, and that's really the focus for the next 5 years. And it comes in two pieces. The first piece, which is on the right-hand side, is the grocery-anchored retail and first office building in Bridgeland and in-line retail and gas station. And then as we cross the street, we're going to build more retail, a little bit more commercial, field house sports facility that will -- and more multi-denser multifamily, some townhouse work, all backing up against Bridgeland high school, first Houston Baptist Church in Sterling. So this starts to become the hub of the neighborhood in Bridgeland. And this shows the first phase, HDs in the background on the upper right, gas stations on the upper left, drive-through pad, in-line retail and then our first office building, 50,000 square foot office building designed to look like it belongs in Hill Country. It's a timber building. It will be the first timber building in Houston, first timber building for us. It will be our sales center and our Bridgeland office, and we're getting strong interest for the remaining two floors, so much so we start to think that we might replicate this building across the street. And then finally, a similar idea to the Woodlands, a future corporate campus that works around the retention lake. This one is adjacent to Chevron piece. And so as David mentioned, we see Chevron being an accelerator for us. And we think this, therefore, has a greater chance now and better than ever now that Chevron's announced. Switching to Nevada, Nevada is actually one of our fastest-growing downtowns. But in fact, there's 3 downtowns. So unlike the Woodlands, which has 700 acres scattered about, in Summerlin, we have roughly 700 acres, but it's really in three centers. Summerlin in the West, which is the farthest out the last 5,000 acres of Summerlin, Downtown Summerlin, which is anchored by the retail that David spoke about and our first three office buildings. And then Village 15, which is a brand-new project for us, which we think is going to complement the other two and come to fruition very quickly. So downtown Summerlin, you can see is in the middle of everything, and you can see both the retail and the Red Rock Resort. So the Red Rock Resort is on the upper left and then we cross a street into the retail, which flows all the way down to the lower left. As you cross Pavilion Center Drive, we have a lot of land still to go, and that's our focus for the next 5 years. How do we bring all of Summerlin together. It's been anchored by the Aviator's ballpark. -- and the Las Vegas Knights practice facility, along with our first multifamily constellation, which is on the upper right and our second multifamily Tanager, which is on the lower right. So as we start to think about filling in, we'll fill in with another multifamily on the top, adjacent to two Summerlin. We're going to build a field house like we discussed in Bridgeland, opposite the Aviators and the Knights facility so that the parking serves three different sports complexes. And then below the Aviators, building on the success of 1,700, our latest office project, we'll do another office building, our first condo in a park in what we call the Super Block. And right behind the Super Block, two more multifamilies. We think the demand for multifamily is such that we almost can't build it too quickly in Summerlin. And then as they go to the South, Tanager Echo is currently leasing up as the second phase of Tanager, and we've done our first supermarket anchor development at the Southwest -- southeast corner of the project called Sunny Market. And then finally, going back to the Red Rock Resort when they first opened, they wanted to keep very much to themselves. And so the connectivity between the Red Rock Resort and our retail was not the nicest pedestrian experience. Post COVID, the Red Rock Resort has started to get even more active and starting to put more fine dining restaurants in less food buffets, playing more table games, less one [ arm-bandits ]. And as a result, their customer now wants to come and be part of our retail to the south. So they approached us to say, what can we do together to try and make that environment continuous from the resort all the way into our retail. And this is our answer to that, which is the second condominium that we'll do in Summerlin. We'll do it in conjunction with Stations Casinos. And then the Super Block designed by Jeanne Gang just finished Ko'ula for us in Hawaii, an office building of roughly 13 floors and about 20,000 floor plates and a condo project, which in the [indiscernible] is two. This will be the Class A destination for all of the Vegas region. And then as we go down to the bottom, Sunny Market, which hasn't been formally announced yet, but it happens to be a national chain with whom we have a very strong relationship and three other markets, and they'll be breaking ground this fall, and it's adjacent to in-line retail, which is again showing real strength with banks and convenience retail that will play off of the supermarket. When we go to Summerlin West, it's a different ball game. It looks much further down the road in terms of activity. But already, based on the success of land sales to homebuilders in Summerlin West, we're getting demand for another grocery-anchored retail center. So Village 22 is about to go into a design. And once that gets built, we believe that multifamily and townhome development will work nicely with that village, and that will be along 215. We'll gradually start to work our way south to the intersection of the Summerlin Parkway in 215, where we see the large corporate commercial campus. And then behind that, more multifamily walkable neighborhoods stretching back onto the Grand Park. And that's a view of how that might look in the future. This is an easily 5 to 10, 15-year scenario. And then Village 15 to the South. Village 15 is interesting to us because it's in the middle of the historic neighborhoods of Summerlin, and it's adjacent to some of our highest income neighborhoods, some by discovery and the Ridges custom build lots. It's about 60 acres, and we have interesting neighbors around us who are also active in development. So to the north, in the other side of the highway, Roseman University are developing their first medical school to work in conjunction with their dentistry and nursing school and to the West, stations casinos again have acquired a big piece from us years ago and are planning an urban casino. So the way in which we think about Village 15, we started off on the right side where we did a build-to-suit for Aristocrat just a few years ago. We're now building Summerlin South office, which is -- we started on spec 3-story tilt-up. And then as we flip to the other end, we'll do about 30,000 or 40,000 feet of retail, and it won't be retail that competes in any way with downtown. In other words, there was multinational name brands. It's more like the small food and beverage operators, very walkable, cramp, small space, kind of an industrial field, which will then connect in a pedestrian-friendly way to the casino across the street. And then in between that gateway retail and the build-to-suit office on the other hand, we're working with Sony Pictures on what will be the first major studio in Nevada. This is a picture of Summerlin South office is completed, glazing is just going in. It will be complete and ready for tenants in the beginning of the new year. And now that it's up and people can see it and touch it. We're getting a lot of interest. It will be the best tilt-up facility in Vegas, but different than the Class A, we build in downtown. And then the studio project, which will ultimately be as much as 700,000 square feet, we're focusing on initial phase on Motion Picture studios that can handle one picture a year and television studios that can handle two television shows a year. We're [ reading ] a lot about the studio business working with Sony, and we think that as Nevada pass appropriate legislation to encourage moviemaking and television shows in Nevada, this is going to be an outstanding success. And then our Village 15 retail, as I said, I think -- if you think of the lab [indiscernible] or the packing house in Anaheim or Sportsman's lodge in L.A. small walkable, very great food and beverage driven retail that we think will be a nice complement to everything that will happen in Village 17. Coming to Maryland. So if we think of the Woodlands as being sort of the father of everything that we do in terms of the biggest community, Colombia perhaps is the grandfather because this goes back to Jim Rouse in the late '60s. And Colombia has long since been built out. But in terms of single-family houses. We have two major land holdings in Colombia, roughly 110 acres Gateway. Gateway is a suburban office industrial zone area, which the Howard County is now rethinking and replanning. So for the next 5 years or more, we'll work with Howard County as to what might be the next iteration of gateway, but we don't see it as being a development site around the corner. So therefore, our focus really is on Downtown Columbia, the 40 acres that we have in Downtown Columbia. And when we think about Downtown Columbia, it really falls into 3 components. The mall, which was the centerpiece of it going back to Rouse's Day under Rouse, they built 7 office buildings alongside the mall and the first multifamily alongside the mall. Under Howard Hughes, we came in and focused more on the Merriweather District, which surrounds the Merriweather post amphitheater, and we have built 3 office buildings down there and 2 multifamilies to date. So that's been our activity for the last 5 to 10 years. Looking forward to the last year or 2 and looking forward to the next 5 years, we're going back to the Lakefront District. The Lakefront District was really what Jim Rouse envision as a town center, day one, but it's been relatively dormant for the last 20 years. And so therefore, it's a great opportunity for us. If you can see in the foreground, the building on the lake on the left is the original [ arrives ] headquarters designed by a very young architect name, Frank Gary. Adjacent to the town square, which still today is the center for all July 4 celebrations. Adjacent to that was the teachers building, one of the first office buildings in Colombia until to this day, one of the most in-demand buildings because of its location. And then the Red Roof building was the exhibit building also designed by Frank Gary back in the day, in which case we're going to renovate that. And as you flip, there's some buildings by others and then you flip to the far right, you see there's a bunch of parking lots. So the Waterfront Lakefront District is mostly a bunch of parking lots behind what were the original Rose buildings. But when we see it going forward, we're going to start with a major residential neighborhood on Lakefront North, it will comprise 5 buildings ultimately, 3 in Phase I and then as we flip over, we'll renovate the exhibit building and we have tenant interest to go into that building, we'll upgrade the teachers building. Whole Foods have subsequently moved in to the [ Rose ] headquarters and the medical office building, as David mentioned, is under construction and leasing out very well. And then finally, in a really interesting dynamic with Howard County, we went and proposed to them. We have an obligation to give you a library site and what you will build the library, but we think the site that we've always been discussing is perhaps not as good as that as it should be. We'd like you to come right into the heart of the Lakefront District and build a library that will put Howard County on the map nationally. And so we went and inspect some of the design work to get that done and will show that a little bit. So Lakefront North, the idea here is to really create a neighborhood and a new high street called [indiscernible] that's very pedestrian friendly and would run north, south, all the way down to the medical office building at the top of the image. Three buildings, all slightly different in architecture, slightly different in the market they're going for. First building will be 5 stories, stick construction, more of a smaller first apartment. Then the second building B, which is on the left, it's kind of the U shape, you get bigger apartments, more amenities, nicer finishes. And then finally, the building in the foreground, the tallest building, it will be like Riva Row in terms of high end, multifamily, perhaps with a condo component to it, and it will be the tallest building in the Lakefront District. And then the Street that we hope to create comes with two parks that will connect down to the waterfront trail system within Colombia. And then finally, in the library. The library has been an amazing experience and happen super quickly. We went -- when we first saw the idea, we thought we have to have an idea that really can get people excited. So we went to Thomas Heatherwick in the U.K., and we worked very closely with the head library in Howard County. What does the new library where do you want to be? It wants to be a lot of things. Today's library is a lot more than just about books. We then presented the scheme last summer, to the Howard County executive, and they got so excited. The next thing we knew, the governor was putting it in his budget, and we now have this project well funded for all design in '24. We're working with the county as to how we might help insist in building it, and it's going to be a spectacular space, [ love ] maker space, kids space, cafes, meeting space, all purpose rooms, assembly space. English as a second language classroom facilities and, of course, books. And so we're excited about how this example of how we can work with our communities. And what can we come up with, it's very good for them, it will always be good for us. So what's good for the county and the township is always good for Howard Hughes. And the more we can push them to accelerate their ambition, the more we can accelerate ours as well. And as we come to the Merriweather District, Juniper and Marlow have leased up very successfully. As you've seen, 6,100 and 1 in 2 in Merriweather also lease successfully. So we're now thinking about the next office building 6300 and then some workforce housing, both on the residential and the mixed income side, which was going to be the library site prior to us moving to the Lakefront district. So 6300 is designed in our opinion, to be kind of a post-COVID building. For places get smaller, single elevator run, more sustainable materials. The building is clad in brick that's made from reconstituted construction debris more open space for tenants on their floor and then treating the ground and second floor as an amenity for the neighborhood as well as the building and giving it more of a residential or a hotel like feel. This building is in a pre-lease condition right now, and we hope that we can start finding tenants in the next little while because we found across the portfolio, the flight to quality is still obtains. And then a build-to-suit opportunity, 2-acre site, can accomodate up to 1.5 million square feet in multiple building sizes and floor plate sizes, it's just designed to show flexibility, whether it was an educational campus or a corporate campus. And then moving to Hawaii. So 60 acres in Downtown Honolulu, right on the ocean. As David mentioned, 6 completed buildings, 3 under construction and 1 Kalae in presales mode about to start construction. What we're focused on now is the last remaining development sites within Ward Village. There are 4 of them. And you can see there in the beige color and they're basically at the edges of Ward Village, either the West End, the North End or the East End. So Kalae at roughly 340 units is kind of a dopple ganger for [indiscernible] place, which at least with the most successful selling condo we ever had, 100% sold before we started construction. So Kalae is very much in that mode, same formula, same apartment types on opposite side of the park on the front row. With a little bit of help in the construction financing world, we'll get this building underway in '24. And then the Honolulu, which we just received final approvals for because [indiscernible], a little farther to it's on the western edge, it's smaller units. So it's up to just under 500 units in total, and we were able to cite it in such a way that it looks past Kalae and still maintains excellent views of diamond head. And then The Parks, which are under construction right now. On either side of Hawaii Street, go at the North Park and the South Park with the new western bridge linking to the Marina on the other side of [indiscernible] Boulevard. And at the top of this image is the last remaining site. And we call West or Mahana, and the difference between West and all the other sites, all the other sites are designed to go to the maximum height of 400 feet and then we push as much density as close to the ocean as possible. And so at the end of the day, when you've done that effectively against all the other sites, you have a certain amount of density left over and there's not enough density on West to get up to the 400 feet in height. So it's a smaller building, only 340 units, but it's modeled after Launiu in terms of unit size, and we paid particular attention to really emphasizing the views across the park, across the Mahana to the ocean. And therefore, we designed it, as it's got first row revenue capabilities and luxury finishes, but it's going to have its own place within the park. And then the final -- the highest end product we've ever conceived of in Hawaii. We always felt that D&E would be the last sites to go. They're the best sites, the best views. And so we're, again, taking a playbook out of the Woodlands, we brought Robert Stern in to design these 2 buildings. D, which is on the left, it's 248 units, larger units, more luxury finish. And then E which is on the right, even bigger units again, only 148 units, separate amenities, separate parking, separate entrance. And I think without a doubt, E is aiming to be the finest condominium in Hawaii. These projects are now going through the final planning approval, and we would hope to be in presales at some time mid to late '24. Switching to Arizona, Teravalis, our newest project, when you talk 37,000 acres and there's nothing there. It's hard to know exactly what we're going to do 50 years from now. So we're in the same position as Jim Rouse was 50 years ago. But now we have to think of it in different terms, we have to think in terms of power grid connectivity, water usage, of course. There's a lot of challenges in today's environment in multi-use and master planned communities that we didn't face before. But when we think of just the next 5 years, we focus in on Floreo, which is only 3,000 acres down on the lower right. As David mentioned, we've got -- we're papered already for the first 500 lots. We have some commercial land in Floreo in the pink and also the blue box to the top, which is more of an industrial capability. And as we zero in on that first 100 acres, the 500 lots are in the middle of Phase III. We're working on the water campus and the substation on the far left, the retaining lake on the right, and then we have 3 commercial sites. And we currently have interest in a school, a supermarket and a health care provider along with what would be for us a very dense and large community center. And then in 33, we'll eventually start to bring in retail. So unlike, say, Bridgeland, where we waited for a lot of rooftops to get built before we started thinking about the commercial town. Here we're accelerating the town center earlier in the process and which we hope will also accelerate the land sales to builders. And that's a view of the Community Center. And then finally, coming to New York. Our labor of [ love ], 250 Water Street. This finally looks like it's coming to the end of the approval program, our opponents of the Seaport Coalition finally found an amenable judge who ruled that the Landmark Commission did not rule properly and giving us the approvals to proceed. We then appealed that to the appellate division. We won that appeal 5-0. They then went back to the appellate division and asked to reopen the case or appeal to the State Appeals Court. They lost that a game 5-0. So they're really going to have one option left now, which is to go to the appeals court, and we don't believe that they will overrule an appellate division, 5 unanimous decision. With that, the project will be entitled to already go. We're finishing remediation today when we walk by the site, you'll see lots of work going on. But unfortunately, the 421A program, which we qualified for now is in limbo and has expired and therefore, extremely difficult for us to be able to get construction financing based on the requirement to finish the building by June '26. So we're working with -- and we're stuck in the same boat as a lot of developers who qualified for 421A. And so we'll be working with both EDC and [indiscernible] Board of New York to see if there's some way in which we can bring back the 421A program extended.or maybe come up with a synthetic version of it. So those talks are continuing. It's 150,000 square foot base and interesting enough, we're starting to get action on the base. I think it's consistent with what we see in the Seaport in general. The office space is so unique. In this case, it's brand-new construction, very high floor to floor heights, open space tariffs, operable windows. And so we think that we're going to eventually get something and land in '24, '25, and this is a view of the office lobby. So more to come. There's always going to be demand for housing in New York, and this project now, I think, is finally going to come to fruition. So if they say patients is a virtue, we certainly exercise as much patience as possible on this project and so therefore, we consider ourselves to be a very virtuous developer. And with that, I'm going to hand it off to Carlos, who's going to talk about our ESG approach.

Carlos Olea

executive
#4

Thank you Jay. well, I did that on purpose to bring the eyes to start my presentation. I hope it's off. Apologies for that. Thank you, everybody, for being here. I'm really happy to see you, really happy to connect with those of you that I haven't met, had this opportunity to talk to you here in our home turf in the Seaport. As Jay said, I'm going to walk you through a change communities, which is what we call ESG inside of Howard Hughes. After that, we'll talk about our G&A and balance sheet, and then we'll close it out with NAV before I hand it over to David because I know that you're all eager to get to Q&A. I can see you're writing. So I know the questions will be coming. So what is the change communities. Again, a change community, this is what we call ESG inside of Howard Hughes. And for us, we don't just use a different name because we want to be different. We call it that because everything we do is focused on our communities and it's not new to us. This is not -- we didn't start thinking about this when it became the topic of the day and compliance was coming and rules were coming out. No, we've always been thinking about this. And it comes all from the legacy of our founders that were really focused on this topic that have now gotten the moniker of ESG. In reality, what we do is take the same values that we inherited from them, take everything that we learn along the way and deploy it to built great communities where people want to live. I think that when we think about ESG, a lot of people, and I understand why we can be turned off with the topic because it sounds compliance, it's more expense, et cetera, et cetera. For us, it's actually an opportunity to increase our competitive advantage and to increase the value of our portfolio. Given that we're long-term holders, they were building communities, we get to think about it with the privilege of 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years on the road and deploy everything to accrue to the value of our portfolio. Now when you make those decisions, a happy byproduct is that did you get recognized. But in reality, this really is a byproduct. What matters most is we're actually delivering to the bottom line. And why do I say that? Well, you can see it over there in our stat, we met our target for lowering energy use that we're supposed to meet by 2027. We already met it. And what does that mean? Well, for our residents and it means lower bill. They like that. So in addition to living in an amazing community that has access to nature, et cetera, and all of those great things that David and Jay have been talking about, it's actually cheaper for them, at least when it comes to energy, right? So it starts to matter. When you think about the office then and that has a triple net lease, we're going to pass through the expenses, that matters to the bottom line as well. So again, if we do it right, we do it thinking about accruing value to the portfolio it actually can make financial sense. And we get -- we have the opportunity to do it again because we own those communities and we're thinking about it long term. Topic of our generation, right? Water conservation. We hear about water availability a lot, but I don't think that we hear about water management as much as we should. When in reality, that is perhaps even more important than what our availability. And why do I say that? Because there's a lot that you can do with proper water management. I'll give you 2 things that I would like you to take from this slide. Here on the top left, in Summerlin, and this is us inside of Howard Hughes in Summerlin, since 2018, we have added population, we added commercial, we added a baseball stadium, and water consumption has declined. And why is that? It's proper water management. They didn't start raining more all of a sudden, it doesn't rain a lot more into between 2019 and now it's just much better water management. And that's why we feel very confident that [ intervals ], we can achieve that current goal, we really mean current. That is in really short term to get to 95 gallons per capita significantly exceeding the mean of the state of Arizona, right? We can do it. We've done it. We will do it. It's all about water management, it's sort of about having that focus on water management in this case. And yes, how can we -- one of the reasons why we can do that is as we're consistent. We think about this values internally. We deploy those values internally as well. They're part of our fabric. I can honestly tell you, and I hope you don't think this sentimental, but not a day goes by that I don't look at those vendors and I ask myself, am I living up to our expectations. In all ways, not just in this one in all of them. I'm not -- sorry, I'm not going to tell you what my answer tends to be. All right. Moving on to corporate and balance sheet. Let's just get to the numbers. You saw this last year, this is our G&A trend. We started when we began our transformation plan in 2019, we had a high watermark of $120 million. Now in 2022, we are at around $76 million, well within our guidance between $80 million to $85 million. We're stabilizing there. And I will do that. Again, this is all their focus, all the streamline of our business that you've seen before. And this also reflects how we can do things like our ESG without adding significant load to the platform. Our platform is becoming efficient. As we grow our balance sheet and we add amazing amenities that Jay described they'll start to come online, our G&A has stabilized at less than 1% of our total assets. More importantly, and as a point of reference, the savings that we've had on G&A are equivalent to the equity for a $98 million development at 55% financing. So it's real savings that have real impact. And that's the first element of -- that we'll get into of our value creation cycle with the second one being our debt. So how is our debt? Well, a couple of highlights here. In 2022, we took advantage of what in hindsight was perhaps the last opportunity to see low rates in the single digits, in the very low single digits that, I don't know, maybe decades, maybe a generation could be surprised, but probably not. It's probably going to take a while to see that if ever again. And we closed on $2 billion of permanent financing, including an impressive $1 billion just in Q4 of 2022. We were able to also finance our new construction and our horizontal development. And you can say, well, you just said that those were good days. So okay, big deal. What have we done in 2023? Well, in 2023, we've continued a streak with closing on condominium construction, closing on multifamily. And you might say, well, we know those are very strong, okay? But we also closed an office, that Village 15 Summerlin South office, we were also able to close on that. Again, another example, office is not dead, office is healthy. We have the right product in the right location, backed by the right sponsor. And let's look very quickly at maturities on this side. Capital report that debt 2022 maturity is -- will be handled imminently. And the vast majority of that will be refinanced before the end of this quarter, and the rest of that will be refinanced before the end of the year in Q4. That $130 million in 2024, a $100 million of that is Victoria Place. So for those of you who are not familiar, we put up financing on our condo construction. When we do the bulk closing, meaning when we close on all of the units of that condo, we pay off the debt. So the way to look at that 2024 is that $100 million of that is handled already. It will be paid off when we close on the sales of the condos next year. With that in mind, 2023 maturity is handled, 2024 maturities are handled. We have a very comfortable maturity schedule ahead of us. Rates have been unpredictable, perhaps erratic, whoever want to call them, right? So our hedging strategy has become only more important. We've always been were disciplined in hedging, but it's only become more important as of late. And currently, we have $1.6 billion in total debt swaps, and you see how they're set to expire there. So well, it looked like a big flashing red light in 2023, right? But when we start peeling off the layers a little bit, the reality is that $368 million of that maturity is from construction loans. And as you know, that construction loan either will get paid off in the case of the condos, we'll get refinanced into permanent loan. At which point, we will make a decision of what type of hedge to put on top of it if it's not fixed debt, right? So there's not so much of a risk on this $368 million because it would just be refinancing the natural course of every single construction loan. So what we have is the $615 million. This $615 million, we have been analyzing the different options for that for quite some time, and we're ready and we'll very soon deploy the alternative strategy for the $615 million. So it looks like a big number like it's going to open up a lot of risk when you peel it back, it's really not because, again, the $368 million on construction, it will get refinanced into perm and at that point, we'll decide. And the $615 million most likely by the time we get to Q4, you're going to be able to see what we did with that. Very well, and this is our value creation cycle at work. Very important point here, very important point. You can barely see, I'm sure that gray line that says condo profit. The problem is that the reason why you can barely see it is because, again, we didn't have bulk closings this year. But as you saw before in the slides that David and Jay presented, we're going to have Victoria Place bulk closing in 2024, and then we're going to have 2 bulk closings in 2025. So the contribution of condo profit when we meet next year and hopefully, a year after that, is going to be much more significant. And what does that matter? Well, this is why it matters. Right now, our operating assets, NOI, this $241 million, it's sufficient to cover our interest expense and the cash G&A. So just our NOI gives you good running. Our profit from MPC and for condos, funds all of those assets that Jay presented to you. And that's why it matters. NOI keeps us going, land sales and condo sales, funds, all of the future developments. Those future developments accrue to the value of our portfolio, and we'll later show you exactly how. NAV takeaway from this slide, we didn't change the methodology. We're still doing the sum of the parts. We use the same sources. We use the same assumptions. We simply updated them for the passage of time. And when you get access to this document in the appendix, we ought to see every single assumption that we use. Nothing changed in the way we did it. We simply updated the assumptions. We're ending at 129, which is a 63% discount to NAV. So what does that mean, though? Well, we started at 170. The last time we did it in December of '21, with a 62 discount, and we're at 129. So yes, it's a drop. And I'm sure you won't be surprised if I say that the main culprit there is cap rates. And so let's get it to show you how Cap rates had an impact here. Our office assets were the most impacted by cap rates going from 6.9% to 11.2%, which is really the driver of that decrease. We have something else but NOI there. We lost NOI, we sell 110 North Wacker, is going to be replaced with leases that have already been signed. So really, the main driver in office is cap rates, same in retail. Retail is entirely cap rates. Multifamily NOI is actually a really healthy increase, but it gets washed away with cap rates. So cap rates is the name of a story when it comes to the operating assets and largely, as we'll see when it comes to NAV because as you can see here, in MPC NAV is very stable. It really didn't change. And the most important thing here to say, again, David said it first, everybody thought we were -- nobody is going to buy a home or he's going to sell NOI, I know the office was not going to exist on MPC. Throughout this period, price per acre has increased 15%. So very, very healthy increase, which helped maintain NAV stable throughout this period. And I love this slide. This is always my favorite slide in every deck when it comes up because this doesn't include Teravalis, by the way. So it has nothing of the future value that Teravalis is going to bring. But in 2017, our land bank was worth $3.7 billion. We've sold $1.7 billion and incentive ending up with $2 billion on the other side, we have $3.9 million. That is the power of the self-funding mechanism. That is the power of master plan. That is a power of deploying these creative, well-curated amenities, be it retail, access to nature, great office, et cetera, that we start with $3.7 million. We sell almost half of that. And what's left is even more valuable. And again, really exciting to me to talk to you about this next year, the year after in subsequent years when Teravalis starts to show up here as well. It doesn't have it, doesn't have it yet. Our condo business and the impact on NAV, because I'm sure you can gather. It's a very strong and vibrant business. And it really didn't change in NAV. In fact, we started at 27 in reality, we went at 28. It ended up at 24 inside the segment, but it's only because it's [ $4 ] to corporate, that's inside baseball segment reporting, et cetera. But in reality, it stayed from 27 to 28, really strong. And I don't think I need to say much more because David already covered it and Jay covered it as well. And I think you have a good Idea of how strong our condominium business in Hawaii is. And to wrap it up, the Seaport, same as last year, we're carrying at our cost. We didn't make any changes. We didn't have any assumptions. And then corporate, this is the entire platform, not much more to say there as well. So to wrap it up, NAV is largely a story of cap rates and largely a story of cap rates in office. With that, I'm going to hand it over to David for closing remarks and look forward to your questions. Thank you so much.

David O'Reilly

executive
#5

Thanks, Carlos. A lot of information. All of this will be available afterward as well as a recording of the presentation. I think before we open it up for Q&A, and we'll have some mics around the room. So raise your hand and Eric and Todd will be able to get to you. Like -- from my perspective, as I sit back and I think about our business and the results that we've experienced over the past year and what I expect for the year going forward, it comes down to the fact that we have some of the most sought after communities in the country, places where people want to live, where they want to work, where they want to play, learn, discover, pray invest in their family. As a result, our residential land values have been nothing short of resilient. As a result, office tenants are seeking out our properties, moving into our communities, leaving higher tax, higher crime coastal cities seeking the quality of life for both their employees and themselves. That's true in the Woodlands, where we've leased up an incredible amount of office space. That's true in Summerlin, where we've seen the Max [indiscernible] from the West Coast come in. That's true in Hawaii, where we're continuing to sell condos, not just to local residents of the islands, but to the U.S. and Tokyo. And that resilience and the quality of our communities has translated into great results, results that I think have outperformed our expectations and will continue to do so going forward. So I'll pause there and open it up to the floor for questions.

Alexander Goldfarb

analyst
#6

Thank you, David and team, Alex Goldfarb with Piper Sandler. Just going back just a few slides ago, you ascribed a value of $1 billion to the Seaport $20 a share. And looking on the preceding page, Ward Village is sort of valued not too dissimilar. You guys recently hosted us out in Hawaii. We saw Ward Village. We can see the success. The condo sellout as soon as the flyer hits the palm trees out there, the building sellout. The Seaport has a very -- it is. The Seaport, David is -- has been a challenge from day one. It's hard to believe that this is worth almost as much as Ward Village, especially given the cash profitability challenges. So maybe you could just walk a little bit more through how this project -- you guys are ascribing $1 billion of value on par with Ward Village, which I would think would be worth far more.

David O'Reilly

executive
#7

Alex, it really comes on to the methodology and the sum of the parts methodology we've used. And in Ward Village, we've done a discounted cash flow of future sellout dates of those condos and ascribed some value for those condos that haven't been sold yet. And they're discounted back to today and the details are kept within the appendix. In the Seaport 2 years ago, 2.5 years ago when we did our first some of the parts NAV, we used a book value approach. Given the uncertain future, we ascribed book value, we did the exact same thing here. We're not saying that this methodology is the only one, the perfect one, the one that every investor should use. This is illustrative. And I think a lot of folks in this room are incredibly smart and will take their own analysis to how they want to view our business. On that same token, while you may not use book value for the way you look at the Seaport, I don't think I'm going to use a 12 cap when I look at our office portfolio and the quality of it. But if the third-party provider we've used for 2.5 years says it's a 12 cap, we'll use it, I don't believe it. I think it's worth a lot more than that, especially given the fact that in Houston, we're signing $32 to $35 net rates and leased up a building from 0% to 91%, 600,000 square foot building in a year. To me, that's a much more valuable building [ in 12th gap. ]. So look, this is illustrative. The assumptions are driven on third parties. We've used the same methodology that we've used every year and haven't changed it, and that's the same methodology, you see in the slides that we just reviewed.

Alexander Goldfarb

analyst
#8

Just to be clear, you're saying that these NAVs are based on a 12 cap for your office portfolio-wise?

David O'Reilly

executive
#9

It is 11.2. So all the assumptions are in there. And I don't want to spend 2 hours going through each one of them. I think that everyone would better understand when they get home tonight.

Anthony Paolone

analyst
#10

Tony Paolone, JPMorgan. David, you talked about earlier the relationship with owning the competing multifamily and why you like keeping the commercial and that competitive advantage. But can you maybe talk a bit more about that same idea as it relates to building like an MOB or even a grocery-anchored shopping center like just the -- you said you wouldn't want to own the hotels and the self-storage. So just some of the decisions around that on other property types as to why keep all that stuff?

David O'Reilly

executive
#11

Yes, absolutely. It's a great question, Tony. And we spent a lot of time talking about this. I think about 3 years ago, as we came out of the transformation plan, where we used the downturn to really do an analysis of how our assets performed against their competing markets. And what we saw when we looked at office where people are making a 5, 7 or 10-year decision, our office properties in the Woodlands, for example, meaningfully outperformed Houston. And we attribute a good portion of that outperformance to our control of the majority of the Class A space. There weren't 4 developers building and building at the exact wrong moment in time, like there was in West Chase or Energy Quarter or other submarkets of Houston, there's only one building under construction. And if you wanted to lease it, you could talk to Howard Hughes. And as a result, we saw better performance. Our rates were stickier, our occupancy was stickier. That same analysis really held true to multifamily. Office, if you're making a 10-year decision, you're not going to trade out for $1 a foot to be in a terrible submarket for 10 years. You want the great building with great amenities, access to out for space, fresh air, it's a 10-year decision. You'll pay a little bit more to be in the right spot. If you're making a 1-year decision for where you're going to live you want to close to where you work. You want it close to a great grocer, you want a connection to the outdoor and activities, you'll pay a little more for the right location. When we looked at hotels, and this is what drove our decision to sell the hotels, that didn't hold. Our performance of our hotels looked to smelt and felt like they did in their surrounding markets. And I think that's largely because it's a one-night decision. And when you're making that decision for one night on a business trip or 2 nights on a business trip, and it's $40 cheaper down the street, chances are we all work for a company whose expense policy says you're staying down the street. So we had to move our rates and our occupancy looked like the overall market, and there was no outperformance or no benefit of having a controlling share of the space in that subsector. When it came to retail, the results were bifurcated. The downtown retail, the Downtown Summerlin, the Ward Village, if you will, kind of the heart of the city, we saw a real benefit in controlling that experience and a benefit to the retailers that wanted to come in there in good times and bad to be at the corner of Main and Main, and those assets outperformed. The neighborhood grocery stores, the one-off strip centers, the Ulta, total wines, there was no benefit. If it was a little cheaper 10 minutes down the street, that's where the tenants went to. So those are the assets we moved on to -- moved on from, I should say, and done more of a build-to-sell model than build-to-hold. Does that answer your question, Tony?

Peter Abramowitz

analyst
#12

Peter Abramowitz with Jefferies. Just wanted to go back to the office cap rates because I would agree, I think it was a little surprising to see the 11% number you're using on there.

David O'Reilly

executive
#13

No one was more surprised than me.

Peter Abramowitz

analyst
#14

Any transactions in your markets that kind of back that up? Or any color on that? And then seeing that number, I guess, even have pretty good economics, high single digits on our yields. It doesn't seem like it would justify doing any more office. I guess how does that impact, kind of your thoughts on future office development?

David O'Reilly

executive
#15

Yes, it's a great question. Are there market transactions that would justify this, now there's been a dearth of transactions other than the assets that I say are noncompetitive, the foreclosure in the energy corridor, the 20% leased building that the bank took back and sold, I'm not so sure that those are good comps. I'm not even sure what the cap rates are on those, if they even had a cap rate because they're negative cash flow. So it's tough to say that, that's a good comp other than the third-party research sticks finger up in the arenas. It's probably about here. Clearly, if the yields on assets are higher, our cost of debt is higher, our cost of capital is higher. The returns we need to achieve on development to justify that investment has got to be higher as well. We have to be paid for the risk that we're taking in new developments. And therefore, on the deals going forward, I think you'll see higher yields than what you've seen most recently. And why I think as Jay mentioned in his remarks, we see a good road map right now for multifamily. And then if we're going to do some office, it's probably going to be more in the build-to-suit mode where you can derisk the lease-up and, therefore, accept the return that's closer to cap rates than at a premium.

Peter Abramowitz

analyst
#16

And then just one on the fourth-floor space that you have here. Could you just comment on the activity that you're seeing? How active is it? What type of tenants are you looking at? And do you face any pushback from tenants just location-based and relative to mass transit?

David O'Reilly

executive
#17

No, I would say -- I'll take the last question first. The pushback relative to mass transit has never been the issue in trying to lease that space. Fulton Street being 2 blocks away and then only a block south having basically the Grand Central, the Ferry system, which has expanded pretty meaningfully over the past 5 years, has actually accrued to our benefit. The pushback we have is on the rate, we have Nike and ESPN that are at around triple digits, and this is a glass jewel box on the water with 360 views of the Statute of Liberty and the Brooklyn Bridge and like this space alone. There's not a lot of spaces in New York that recreate this, especially with this amenity base immediately around you with the 10 building with the rooftop concerts. So I think that we've been to the altar 3x of tenants, trading lease documents and for different reasons, they blew up. And we're back in the market now. We're working with a prospect and hopefully find some more. So the type of tenants vary, I would say, largely entertainment-focused, ESPN, clearly, broadcasting 10 to 12 hours a day between the podcast live television and radio, Nike's creative design studio. We don't see a lot of accounting firms come down in tour. Not that there's anything wrong with...

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#18

David, thank you very much for the presentation. It's always exciting to see Howard Hughes and especially in New York. Alex Magid, Magid Family Office. I wanted to follow up. My question about public, private partnerships. There is any chance in New York City? Do you believe it might -- I know you had some successes. Do you think there is a future for that one for your company in New York? And my second question on Tin Building. Do you still consider it is important, I wouldn't say, key asset, important asset to your company?

David O'Reilly

executive
#19

Thank you for your question. Maybe if you want to talk about 250 water briefly to high level.

L. Cross

executive
#20

Well, that is sort of a public-private process. We're here on a ground lease from EDC. So we're already in a public-private situation with the city of New York on the Seaport in general. And so the idea that we could extend that to 250 water is a possibility that we've had some discussions on. And similarly, there's a site right here, the new market site, which we'd love to see developed. It's owned by [ EDC, ] that's a possibility for a public-private partnership. In Colombia, the library we're talking about is a public-private partnership and in Woodlands we're turning to township about a public-private partnership on the Performing Art Center. So we will always consider them if they're appropriate to our needs.

David O'Reilly

executive
#21

And as far as the Tin Building goes, I think it's an integral part of the Seaport. And as long as the Seaport is important to Howard Hughes, the Tin Building is clearly going to be very important. It's the gateway, the connective tissue between the historic district and the peer and has been a real catalyst of drawing folks down here, which we value highly.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#22

[ Vero Qatari ] with the Family Office. Can you go into some more detail on your transition to a holding company and then maybe while you're at it, throw in, I didn't see him here, but Bill Ackman Pershing Square's involvement with management and maybe you guys are looking forward to and he is as well?

David O'Reilly

executive
#23

Yes, sure. At the very beginning of the presentation, I talked about our recent press release on forming the holding company. And to date, we've moved our investment in John George into HHH, where all of our legacy real estate assets still sit within a subsidiary of HHH, still called HHC. We're in process of getting approval from Major League Baseball to move our ownership in the Minor League Baseball team, the Las Vegas Aviators into HHH as well. And that will separate our nonreal estate assets from our real estate assets. And importantly, our nonreal estate assets cash flows away from our traditional real estate debt covenants and just make it easier on a reporting standpoint from that perspective, there's really not much else to it there. As far as Pershing Squares, they're a meaningful owner of the company, I think you've seen it in our public filings, how many shares they own. They've been vocal that their strong supporters see value and continue to accumulate more shares. Bill is a thoughtful, engaged and Chairman that has strong views. And I think all of our directors do and they're all very much engaged and helping me as a first-time CEO make some decisions that are going to impact our shareholders in the long term for Howard Hughes. So I value the relationship I have with all of our directors and Bill, in particular, and he's been nothing more than a thoughtful leader.

Alexander Goldfarb

analyst
#24

David, it's Alex. Just following up on Ward Village. If you could just go through, I think you said the projects, especially the stern projects that are sort of the finale through 2023 -- sorry, 2030, does that mean Ward Village is done in 2030? Or is there future development potential beyond that, just given how successful it's been for the company?

David O'Reilly

executive
#25

Yes. Under our existing entitlements and under our existing agreements, we will use up all of our 9.2 million square feet through those 4 towers in the new and West D&E. That's not to say that we couldn't do more because we have an entire area west of Ward Avenue as you look at the property on the west side that we haven't touched. And there's room there for probably a couple of towers maybe. And a couple of sites within the heart of Ward Village, whether it's award entertainment or sole share market that haven't been touched. We don't have the entitlements to go and do that, and we'd have to go get approval. But clearly, given the success we've had, the economic benefit and the returns we've driven from Ward Village, we are constantly looking for ways to keep that machine going beyond 2030.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#26

Eric Borden from BMO. Just want to touch on Teravalis for a second. And maybe if you could talk about -- a little bit about the timing of the first batch of deliveries. And then I appreciate the slide on the water conservation and you're target to get down to the lower numbers. But could you maybe talk about what some of the surrounding developments are doing in terms of water conservation?

David O'Reilly

executive
#27

So to hit all those questions, let's see, we've graded those lots were under LOI. We're moving a contract on our first 500 lots. We should expect to sell those by the end of the year. What we're doing in terms of water conservation, I think, is at the absolute forefront of what anybody is doing in Phoenix, instituting a great water management system for the entirety of Teravalis in Floreo, instituting low-flow fixtures, limiting size of pools, requiring covers. These are things that very few developers require or want. In Las Vegas and in Nevada, they've had strict legislation on the size of pools on how -- what plant material you can use, the type of fixtures you install in your home and we've seen the results. And that stuff that we've helped pioneer for the Southern Nevada Water Authority. We're trying to work closely with the governor and for the -- all the legislature in the state of Arizona to try to enact those same strict regulations that would kind of have all of the developers in Arizona kind of play by hard rules, if you will, rules that we're going to do regardless of whether or not it's legislated because it's the right thing to do because we're there for 50 years. We're not building 500 lots selling them and moving on to the next state. Our motivations are slightly different, but we think that the right thing to do is putting smart water management. I don't think there's a shortage of water. And I think the headlines say that there's a shortage of water, there's really a shortage of smart water management because if it's managed appropriately, there's enough of that natural resource to last for generations more.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#28

Thanks, Steven. It's interesting that the volatility to NAV has come from, theoretically, the least volatile cash flow stream. And so I guess my question is, is that prompt any thoughts around perhaps more stock buyback? You've done that in the past or going back to the trough on thinking about anything noncore or putting yourself in our seats, what in your mind do you think are the most exciting things that could act as a catalyst for the stock in the near term?

David O'Reilly

executive
#29

Look, I think the first question there is how do we think about our capital allocation strategy, and I don't think it changes. It's where we generate the highest risk-adjusted returns. Is that building the next multifamily? A number well in excess of cap rates? Or is it buying back our shares? It still a meaningful discount. Knowing that for each dollar we invest in development, there's fewer dollars on a leverage-neutral basis that can go into buying back our shares. So taking into account the overall leverage of the company. That doesn't change. We evaluate that every day, whether it's developed or buyback depending on those dollars of free cash flow. In terms of what are the near-term catalysts, we don't have a patent. I'm not a technology company. I don't have a next quarter announcement that I'm sitting on that I can't wait to tell you. We sold 77 acres to Chevron to build a commercial campus in one of our communities. And I don't think half of -- anybody noticed. Again, we're a long-term story. We're about creating long-term value for our shareholders, not next quarter, but next year in 5 years, and that's our mindset. We're not making decisions because next quarter's earnings, you've got to have a great bullet point at the top of the release. I think that can be detrimental, while beneficial short term, detrimental long term. The really important things we need to do, we need to execute on our land sales. We need to continue to lease up our office. We need to get that development pipeline moving because we're at 98% leased across all of our multifamily in the Woodlands at double-digit same-store growth, that clearly says there's more demand. We need to stabilize the Seaport lease office space and stabilize the 10 building. And if we continue to do those things, we're going to create a lot of value for our shareholders outsized to what I think any public real estate company can do without the major catalyst announcement in 60 days, that's going to move the earth. All right. I think that wraps up the Q&A. Thank you again all for coming. Those of you who are here in person and everybody online, we appreciate the interest. If there's anything you didn't get to ask that you would like to, we're always available by phone or e-mail, please don't be shy. Eric, if you wouldn't mind turning the logistics for the property tour so that we can break up into smaller groups and try and make this as seamless as possible?

Eric Holcomb

executive
#30

All right. We've got a lot of people to move around the Seaport. So we have 5 different tour groups that are going to go in different directions. In the back of this room, there are some colors on the wall and you will find on the back of your name tag, a color. So if you can assemble in that area, that would be great. You can leave your things here. This will be a secure space. It's hot outside. You can leave your jackets, things like that. We will come back here after the tour. And then if you're joining us in Pearl Alley downstairs for the reception, there will also be an area for you to check your bags and things as well. So we'll see everybody on the other side. Thanks.

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