Huaneng Power International, Inc. (902) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
October 28, 2025
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Operator
operator[Interpreted] Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. On behalf of Huaneng Power International, Inc., I would like to welcome you all to the conference call regarding third quarter results announcement of 2025. Now may I introduce the management of the company today. The Chairman of the company, Mr. Wang Kui.
Kui Wang
executive[Foreign Language]
Operator
operator[Interpreted] Independent Director of the company, Ms. Zhang Liying.
Liying Zhang
executive[Foreign Language]
Operator
operator[Interpreted] The Vice President, General Counsel and Chief Compliance Officer of the company, Mr. Qin Haifeng.
Hai Feng Qin
executive[Foreign Language]
Operator
operator[Interpreted] The Vice President and Secretary of the company, Mr. Huang Chaoquan.
Chaoquan Huang
executive[Foreign Language]
Operator
operator[Interpreted] People in charge of the related departments are also joining us in this meeting. First of all, the Chairman of the company, Mr. Wang, will reveal the business performance for the third quarter results of 2025, followed by the Q&A session. May we have the honor to invite Mr. Wang to review the business performance and Ms. [indiscernible] to conduct the English interpretation.
Kui Wang
executive[Interpreted] Ladies and gentlemen, good afternoon. Welcome to the third quarter results conference call of Huaneng Power International. Yesterday, the company has released the third quarter results. Please let me give a brief introduction. In the third quarter, under the leadership of the Board of Directors, the company centered on annual targets, identified and responded to the changes, overcame difficulties and push forward operations, transition, innovation and overseas management, achieved a record high operating performance and laid a solid foundation for high-quality accomplishment of annual tasks. Under the Chinese accounting standard, the company achieved a consolidated operating revenue of CNY 172.975 billion, decreasing by 6.19%. Net profit attributable to company's shareholder was CNY 14.841 billion, increasing by 42.52%. The earnings per share was CNY 0.81. In terms of the power generation, the company pushed forward the green transition with the installed capacity of wind and solar increasing, the renewable power generation increased year-on-year. However, affected by oversupply and market share being taken by the renewables, coal generation decreased year-on-year. In the first 3 quarter, the company's domestic on-grid power sales was 331.451 billion kilowatt hour, decreasing by 2.87%. The average tariff was CNY 478.71 per megawatt hour, decreasing by 3.5%. In terms of coal supply, the company seized opportunities, optimized procurement strategy, improved the quality of contracted coal, purchased low-cost spot market coal and optimized inventory structure, achieving significant results in cost control. The standard coal price of the first 3 quarter was CNY 892.34 per ton, a year-on-year decrease of 11.01%. In terms of the development, the company continued the low-carbon transition, focusing on quantity and quality, track the implementation of policies, carry out regional policy research to optimize investment strategies. In the first 3 quarters, the company added 10.3 gigawatts of units, including 6.83 gigawatts of renewables and 3.46 gigawatts of gas units. By the end of September, the company installed capacity reached 155 gigawatts. Wind and solar capacity reached 44.66 gigawatts. Low carbon clean energy accounts for 40.15% of total capacity. In terms of overseas operations, Tuas Power researched the Singapore power market, ensured stable supply of fuel, optimized the strategies and management. The profit before tax of the first 3 quarters was CNY 1.754 billion. The performance of Sahiwal Power plant in Pakistan remained stable. The profit before tax was CNY 697 million. In the first quarter, the company will focus on annual development goals, research the policies and market environment, adhere to the constraint of target yields, build high-quality projects and steadily push forward the green and low-carbon development. The company will track changes in the coal market, optimize the procurement structure, prepare for the next year's contract signing and control the fuel cost. The company will research the trends of generation and tariffs, actively respond to policy and market challenges, work on the signing of power purchasing agreements, coordinate volume and price and increase profitable generation. The company will strengthen fund management, maintain a stable financing structure, funding for energy security and green transition. Facing a complex market environment, the company will prioritize high-quality and steady growth, improve operating efficiency, ensure the successful conclusion of 14th Five-Year plan. The company will study, implement and carry out the spirit of the Fourth Plenary Session focused on dual carbon goals and energy security policies, systematically plan the strategies for the 15th Five-Year period and lay a solid foundation for further high-quality transformation and development. Now my colleague and I would like to answer your questions. Thank you.
Operator
operator[Foreign Language] [Operator Instructions] Thank you, Mr. Wang. Here we come to the Q&A session. [Operator Instructions] The first question comes from [indiscernible] of Citi Bank.
Unknown Analyst
analyst[Interpreted] I have three questions. First, in the third quarter, the company have achieved a sound profitability and mainly due to the unit fuel cost decrease. Could you talk about the reason? Is there any one-off items such as the increasing of spot market purchase and overseas purchase? And in the first quarter and 2026, what will be the company's unit fuel cost outlook? Will that have a further decrease? Second, as the government have recently announced the plan in the 15th Five-Year period, what will be the company's target of the 15th Five-Year period? And what will be the company's investment focus in the future? Third, as we see from the news that we have a value-added tax refund for renewables, what is the profit impact to the company? And in the fourth quarter, will the company have any assets impairment taken in wind and solar project?
Kui Wang
executive[Interpreted] In the third quarter, the company's unit fuel costs have decreased because the company has sticked into the strategies to consume in the peak season and purchase in the off-season. The company have purchased both from the spot market and the overseas market and tried to find the bottom spot of the coal prices and control the company's coal cost. So in the first quarter, we will begin the peak season for coal market. The company has already purchased the coal from the market to help stabilizing the coal price. In 2026, according to the supply and demand situation and -- the company will have our coal purchasing strategy in the light of the Document 136. As the renewable capacity installation will be stable in the future, we think the place -- the power generation taken by the renewable will be stabilized. And as 2026 is the beginning year of the 15th Five years period, we think the government will try to stabilize the macroeconomy and the economy will have a recovery. In the environment that the government has strengthened the inspection of oversupply and environment, we think the coal price will hit bottom and rebound in the future. For now the company is under the working of editing the 15th Five years plan. The company's plan will be in accordance with the government and the industry plan. The company will insist on the transition in green and low-carbon development. The company will continue our investment in renewable. And the company -- we think in the next period, we will still have a high-speed growth in renewables. The company will strive for a high-quality development. In terms of our coal development, the company will have some replacement projects to our old and outdated units, and we will focus on the areas that have high consumption of power. With all this measure taken to optimize our power generation structure and our generation structure for coal sector.
Liying Zhang
executive[Interpreted] And about your questions about the refund of VAT tax, as we know from the authorities, there will be change for the value-added tax for renewables. For onshore wind, the refund -- 50% refund of VAT will be canceled in November 1. And for offshore wind, the VAT refund will be canceled in 2027. There will be limited impact to the company, and we see the numbers from our operating in renewables recently, the input VAT is higher than the output VAT. I can give you the number in 2024, only CNY 1 billion to CNY 2 billion -- only CNY 100 million to CNY 200 million of VAT, and we don't have any VAT related to our offshore wind. In the future, the company will track the policy change and keep to invest in the high-quality renewable projects to decrease the cost and the company will try to increase the efficiency to tackle with this policy change.
Operator
operator[Foreign Language] The next question comes from Li Yalin of Huatai Securities.
Yalin Li
analyst[Interpreted] I have three questions. First, could you give us the market-based tariff in the third quarter and the year-on-year changes as well as the quarter-on-quarter changes in market-based tariff? And could you give us some information about the signing of power purchase contract in 2026. Second, could you give us the profit breakdown to different energy sectors in the third quarter alone? Third, we can see from the company's results that the second quarter to the third quarter, the company's solar performance was leading the industry. So could you talk about why we have a leading performance of solar?
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] The average tariff for our wind project was 460 per megawatt hour, decreasing by 14% year-on-year and 2% quarter-on-quarter. Tariff for solar was CNY 394 per megawatt hour, decreasing by 9% year-on-year and increased by 2% quarter-on-quarter. In the first 9 months, the tariff for wind was CNY 474 per megawatt hour, decreasing by 8.3%. In the first 9 months, the tariff for solar was CNY 392 per megawatt hour, decreasing by 8.8%. According to the government's requirement from 2026 in the areas such as [indiscernible] that have a faster growth rate -- faster transition for the coal power, the capacity payment will be around -- will be increased to no less than 70% of our fixed cost. And for other areas, this number will raise to 50%. After the capacity payment was raised, we have a better recovery capability of our fixed cost. The competitive pressure will be released in terms of the trading. So the monthly and annually based long-term contract purchase will still be 80% to 90% to our total market-based tariff. Other will be complemented by the spot market. Currently, the signing of 2026 contract haven't begun yet. We estimated that it will begin by the end of November. For now, the cost of primary energy was relatively low. However, it will rebound in the long run and the local government still required a tariff cut. It is estimated that in 2026, the range of the contract tariff will change based on the capacity tariff. However, we think the capacity tariff plus the power tariff will have a slight decrease comparing to 2024.
Liying Zhang
executive[Interpreted] Please let me give you the numbers of net profit breakdown to different energy sectors in the first 9 months. For the coal sector, CNY 10.819 billion, increasing by CNY 5.765 billion or 114.05%. Gas sector CNY 625 million, increasing by CNY 26 million or 4.43%. Wind sector CNY 4.043 billion, decreasing by CNY 566 million or 12.27%. Solar sector CNY 3.074 billion, increasing by CNY 831 million or 37.6%. For the Hydro sector, in the first 9 months, the net profit was CNY 76 million, decreasing by CNY 28 million or 26.87%. For biomass sector, the net profit was negative CNY 19 million, increasing by CNY 434 million or 95.85%. The company has achieved a great profit for our solar sectors. The unit profit for the solar was CNY 179.52 per megawatt hour. It has CNY 8.73 per megawatt hour, it's increase quarter-on-quarter or 5.11% increase. A lot of reasons can explain that. First, the utilization hour in the third quarter for solar sector was 355 hours. It increased by 17 hours or 5.03%. And from the -- in terms of the tariff, the tariff for our solar sector in the third quarter was CNY 394.23 per megawatt hour. It has CNY 8.83 per megawatt hour increase quarter-on-quarter. It increased by 2.29%. The company has strengthened the operation management of our solar sector. In the third quarter, the cost and expense in the solar sector have decreased. The unit cost was CNY 181.39 per megawatt hour, decreasing by CNY 4.31 per megawatt hour quarter-on-quarter or 2.33% -- 2.32%. After the implementation of the Document 136, the competition in the solar sector will be more fierce. The company will have more prudent investment in our solar projects and have a more strict selection to control the cost and the company will strengthen our research and try to have power generation that with profit. The other way is to control the construction cost. The company also will strengthen the cooperation between the different types of energy and give full play to our management capability and enhance the competitiveness of solar sector.
Yalin Li
analyst[Interpreted] What is the company's view on the capacity payment because we heard that in Gansu, they originally bought up the 330 coverage for the capacity. However, it should multiply a factor. So what is your view about this capacity payment and to the factor?
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] About the capacity payment of company. So in accordance with the renewable capacity that's being included in the market, there will be a full coverage in the capacity payment. And this is also mentioned in Document in the province like Gansu and Huaneng. About you mentioned the supply-demand factor impact. So as -- in our calculation, the supply and demand factor was calculated in the peak season of the whole year. So this factor multiplied is not a discount. So for the company, the major factor that impact our capacity tariff is our capability of peak season, our utilization in the peak season.
Operator
operator[Foreign Language] [Interpreted] The next question comes from [indiscernible] Securities.
Unknown Analyst
analyst[Interpreted] I have three questions. First, could you give us the tariff breakdown to power tariff and capacity tariff? And what is the year-on-year changes? Second, about the company's power generation. The company's coal power generation have decreased and is worse than the industry average. So could you give us the reason? Is that because of the maintenance or is the -- reasonable factor? And third, could you give us the ancillary services income in the third quarter?
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] The company's power generation was -- in the first quarter was 350.9 billion kilowatt hour, decrease by 2.93%. The coal power generation was 299.12 billion kilowatt hour, decreasing by 6.28%. Wind power generation was 30.276 billion kilowatt hour, increasing by 9.95%. Solar power generation was 20.687 billion kilowatt hour, increasing by 48.59%. The company's thermal generation have decreased because of the following reasons. First, in terms of the structure, the renewable installation have rapid growth that have taken the shares of the thermal generation. Second, in terms of the market shares, the company's thermal unit market shares have decreased. Third, in terms of the strategies, the company have decreased the power generation to increase the profit in some spot market area. The company's average tariff in the first 9 months was CNY 478.71 per megawatt hour, decreasing by 3.54% year-on-year. The average tariff for coal sector was CNY 465.87 per megawatt hour, decreasing by CNY 15.1 per megawatt hour. Gas sector, CNY 713.4 per megawatt hour, increasing by CNY 1.73 per megawatt hour. Wind sector, CNY 474.07 per megawatt hour, decreasing by CNY 44.96 per megawatt hour. Solar sector, CNY 392.46 per megawatt hour, decreasing by CNY 37.34 per megawatt hour. The reason for the company's tariff decrease are as follows: first, the supply and demand balance was in a loose state in the third quarter; second, the long-term contract tariffs have decreased; and third, there is a lot of renewable projects that being put into operation that without that feed-in tariff for the company. So above the -- above factors can explain the average tariff decrease for the company. In terms of the on-grid power sales, the coal sectors on-grid power sales was 258.358 billion kilowatt hour, decreasing by 7.1%. Gas sector 22.031 billion kilowatt hour, increasing by 4.23%. Wind 29.219, increasing by 8.9%. Solar 20.51 billion kilowatt hour, increasing by 47.73%. Hydro 0.078 billion kilowatt hour, decreasing by 4.26%. Biomass is 0.055 billion kilowatt hour, increasing by 17.4%. For the capacity tariff in the first 9 months, the capacity payment in total was CNY 7.181 billion. It was CNY 27.85 per megawatt hour, and it increased by CNY 3.26 per megawatt hour. And the main reason for the increase because our power generation have decreased. And about the company's ancillary services income in the first 9 months, the ancillary services income from peak and the frequency regulations, the total income was CNY 1.251 billion, decreasing by CNY 600 million. And the ancillary service income for the thermal sector was CNY 1.568 billion, and the ancillary services expense for the renewable sector was negative CNY 314 million. The ancillary services income have decreased because in some areas, it turned swift into a spot market, and there will no longer be an ancillary services market.
Operator
operator[Interpreted] The next question comes from Wu Jie of Haitong Securities.
Jie Wu
analyst[Interpreted] I have three questions. First question about the coal consumption rate. So what is the company's coal consumption rate in the third quarter? And in the first half of the year, the coal consumption rate was 296 for the coal sector alone, and it has decreased comparing to the same period last year. I would like to ask a question is, what will be the outlook for the whole year's coal consumption rate? And the second question, you just mentioned the capacity factor taking in the province Gansu. You said that only in the tightness period that we need to calculate the supply-demand factor. How can you calculate this number? And in my calculation, Gansu can get CNY 80 per megawatt hours capacity tariff. Would that be a correct calculation? Third, in the first 3 quarters, the company have a great control in the cost and expense. I would like to ask, is there any further measures taken by the company? And what was the change? And what is the outlook for the cost and expense in the fourth quarter? Will there be any improvement?
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] The third quarter's coal consumption rate for our thermal sector was 304.33 grams per kilowatt hour. It decreased by 0.78 gram year-on-year. In the first 9 months 2025, the coal consumption rate for the thermal sector was 294.7 grams per kilowatt hour. It decreased by 1.82 grams year-on-year. The reason for the decrease was as follows: first, the company had put some high-efficiency gas units such as Nanjing, Jiangyin, and Dongguan into operation. It optimized our generation structure. Second, the company has shut down and standed by some of our old coal units. It also optimized our structure. Third, the proportion of heat supply have increased. It dragged down the coal consumption rate.
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] Looking at the whole year, as we enter -- as we are entering the heat supply season, in the fourth quarter, the coal consumption rate will have a further decline. So in the whole year, the average coal consumption rate will be lower than the number of the first 3 quarters.
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] So about your questions about the full coverage of capacity payment in Gansu, I can explain by the following reason. First, the supply and demand factors calculation should consider the cross-region power transmission. If we consider the power transmission, the demand and supply was around the same level, and it will reach a balance. Second, the supply and demand ratio is calculated when the utilization was the highest. Mostly that will occur in the winter when wind and solar generation was relatively low. So if we consider above factors, we can see the supply-demand ratio will be around 1.
Liying Zhang
executive[Interpreted] Please let me answer your question about the cost control. First, in terms of the accounting standards, the company -- the company used the actual occurring principle. So the cost occurs in accordance with our operation. Second, the company has continuously taken measures to control our cost, especially from operations side. So if you see the unit cost for power sales, it has a continuously improvement. And about the pace of our cost because in the first quarter, there might be more maintenance happen. The labor cost will be higher than the first 3 quarters. So we will consider that, but this is only a reference for you. The actual situation will be based on our actual maintenance.
Jie Wu
analyst[Interpreted] Could you provide the coal consumption rate for our coal sector?
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] The coal consumption rate for our coal sector in the third quarter alone was 311.16 gram per kilowatt hour. The coal consumption rate in the first 9 months was 301.78 gram per kilowatt hour.
Jie Wu
analyst[Foreign Language]
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] The company's coal customer rate in the first 9 months decreased by 1.55 gram per kilowatt hour year-on-year.
Operator
operator[Interpreted] The next question comes from [indiscernible] Securities.
Unknown Analyst
analyst[Interpreted] I have three questions. First, in the first 9 months for the company, we can see -- we achieved a great performance both in our market management as well as in our results. And could you talk about the company's market management target and -- in the future? Second, the [indiscernible] to have -- hold some conference to stabilize the tariff, stabilize the coal cost and promote the anti-involution. Could you talk about the differences between different provinces? Third, could you talk about the performance contribution from long-term contract side and spot market side? And could you give us some numbers on that?
Unknown Executive
executive[Foreign Language]
Liying Zhang
executive[Interpreted] About your question of market management, the company attached great importance to the -- to our shares management. And in the beginning of the year, the company have released our regulation on that issue and the company also have researched the plans for the following steps. However, the market value management's core or basis is the value creation. In the first 3 quarters this year, the company have tackled difficulties and achieved a sound result. We think that our performance can represent our effort in the market value management. The company also researched into the instrument in the capital market, and the company will use methods such as dividend payout and the innovative way of finance in appropriate time to help with our market value. The company -- all those measures taken is aiming to increase our competitiveness in the market and help with the high-quality development. With all these measures, the company wish to increase the returns to our investors. In the next step, the company will reinforce our management in capital market. The company will strengthen our information exposure and our Investor Relations management to enhance the operation and share the company's results with all our investors.
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] About your question of anti-involution in 2025 in September, the [indiscernible] have held a conference in order to stabilizing the tariff, stabilizing the coal price and push forward the anti-involution strategy. All this measure is used to guard against the vicious competition and to form a stable expectation to our tariff. And for the measures taken, first from the fuel market, the fuel market will be to rebound and stable in 2026 and the improvement in the primary energy price will be a strong support to the tariff. In terms of the coal power generation, the capacity tariff will be a very important adjustment. It will help the coal power generators to recover some of our fixed cost. It will improve our profitability. In terms of the renewables, the government have announced in September '24, the self-contribution to the low carbon transition. So in -- by the end of 2035, the low -- the renewable consumption will be around 35% of total power consumption. The wind and solar capacity will be around 360 gigawatts. So in the future, the renewable capacity will maintain a high-speed growth and government will strengthen the guidance in renewable investment. And from the policy side, the Document 136 will lay the foundation to the high-quality development of renewable, and it will provide some reasonable profit for renewable projects. So that will help to balance and keep a stable market situation for the development.
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] About your -- about your third question, firstly, let me give you some numbers in the first 3 quarters. The market-based power sales in the first 3 quarter for the company was 281.73 billion kilowatt hour. For coal, the market-based tariff -- market-based power sold was 257.173 billion kilowatt hour. Gas, 3.632 billion kilowatt hour. Wind, 13.148 billion kilowatt hour. Solar, 7.092 billion kilowatt hour. In the mid- to long-term power purchase agreement, the coal power sales was 228 billion kilowatt hour; gas, 3.36 billion kilowatt hour; wind, 12.95 billion kilowatt hour; solar, 5.2 billion kilowatt hour. And the sales in the spot market for coal, it was 30.27 billion kilowatt hour. For gas, it was 0.027 billion kilowatt hour. For wind, it was 26 million kilowatt hour. For solar, it was 194 million kilowatt hour. About the spot market participation in 2025. So in the first 3 quarters, the company's thermal spot market power sales have increased. The power sales was very stable. For renewable, the power sales via the spot market have increased, although the tariff of renewable have decreased because of the increased generation, the profit have increased. So in the future, there will be a more close linkage between the spot market tariff and mid- to long-term market tariff. The tariffs will be decided by the supply and demand situation, the fuel cost and the demand of systematic regulation. So all the three factors might impact the market and the price will be more market-oriented.
Operator
operator[Foreign Language] [Interpreted] Due to time constraints, we invite the last investor to ask. The last question comes from [indiscernible] Securities.
Unknown Analyst
analyst[Interpreted] I have three questions. First, could you tell us the renewable capacity outlook in the fourth quarter? Second, could you give us the coal tariff and coal profit situation in the third quarter in province of Shandong and Gansu? Third, about the company's asset impairment. So in the third quarter, the asset impairment have decreased comparing to the same period last year. So could you talk about the reason? Is that because the company haven't run the test or because it is not necessary for a company to have asset impairment?
Unknown Executive
executive[Interpreted] First, let me give you the situation of the company's power installation in the first 3 quarters. The company has put about 10.1 gigawatts into construction, including 7.1 gigawatts of renewable and 2.3 gigawatts of thermal power. And in the first 3 quarters, the company has put 10.29 gigawatts of units into operation, including 6.83 gigawatts of renewable and 3.64 gigawatts of thermal. The company's project that under construction amounted to 18.87 gigawatts, including 7 gigawatts of thermal and 11 gigawatts of renewable. And in the first quarter, there will be around 200 megawatts in [indiscernible] and 480 megawatts in [indiscernible] being put into operation. In the first 3 quarter -- the above number were in the first 3 quarter, and I will give you the numbers of whole year's expectation. The company aim to add 14.19 gigawatts of units, including 41.92 gigawatts of gas and 4.2 gigawatts of wind and 5.8 gigawatts of solar. And about situation in Shandong and Gansu, the average tariff for coal in Shandong was CNY 490 per megawatt hour, increasing by CNY 6.9 per megawatt hour. The tariff in Gansu was CNY 398 per megawatt hour, increasing by CNY 20.8 per megawatt hour. And we can see in those provinces, the long-term contracts have a very low signing, and that leads to a high tariff in spot market. And we can see this also from the profit, the coal sector's profit in Gansu was CNY 331 million and coal profit in Shandong was CNY 2.029 billion. However, the wind profit in Shandong was CNY 342 million and the wind profit in Gansu was CNY 67 million. And from the change in the profit, we can see the coal profit in Shandong have increased by CNY 1.79 billion. The coal profit in Gansu have increased by CNY 583 million. And the wind profit in Shandong have decreased by CNY 144 million. The wind profit in Gansu have decreased by CNY 177 million.
Liying Zhang
executive[Interpreted] Let me answer your question about the asset impairment. First, the company haven't had any sufficiency in our asset impairment. First, let me introduce the principle in our asset impairment. We are trying to provide with our investor of a very authentic and realistic asset situation. So the asset impairment were in accordance with our operating and our asset standards. So in this -- in order to realize this target, the company have a serious principle measures and procedures taken in the asset impairment. The company will have the principle of fairness and consistency and run the evaluation test with the help of professional evaluator. In the first quarter, the company's asset impairment was CNY 621 million, including Shang'an CNY 137 million, Luohuang CNY 254 million, Qingbei CNY 110 million. And all this asset impairment was taken in accordance with the asset impairment side. In the future, the company will stick to our principles and have consistency in our measures and principle taken in assets impairment. We're also aiming to enhance the transparency of the release. We will release all those impairment size in our semiannual and annual report.
Operator
operator[Interpreted] Thank you so much for all the questions and participation today. Finally, Mr. Wang would like to give us a summary.
Kui Wang
executive[Interpreted] Thank you for your participating and continued support. Here we come to the end of today's conference call. Please contact our IR department if you have any further questions. Thank you.
Operator
operator[Interpreted] Thanks again for your attendance of the conference call regarding the third quarter results announcement of 2025. We are looking forward to meeting with all of you in our next results announcement. Thank you. [Portions of this transcript that are marked [Interpreted] were spoken by an interpreter present on the live call.]
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