Huntington Bancshares Incorporated (HBAN) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary
November 9, 2020
Earnings Call Speaker Segments
Stephen Steinour
executiveGood morning. This is Steve Steinour. We're having some technical issues in the BofA conference. Erika is expected to join but is not available. We're about 10 minutes late now for today. So thank you for joining us online. Pleased to be with you, along with our team. I'm going to start, and then, Erika, as I said, will join us, we hope, at some point. If not, there are a number of questions that have been presubmitted, and Mark Muth will ask them. Now as we stated on the recent earnings call, we're optimistic on the economic outlook as a healthy recovery in our footprint economies is underway, the manufacturing sector providing leadership. Over 2.6 million jobs were created in our footprint states between April and September. Payrolls grew 11 -- over 11% compared to 8.8% for the nation during the same period. The Midwest accounted for 50% of the total new manufacturing jobs in the nation between April and September. So this V-shaped recovery in manufacturing is expected to provide a continued boost to the regional economy, maintaining outperformance relative to the nation over the near term. And as you'll recall, a year ago, many of our customers were restrained by skilled labor shortages, and the most recent job openings rate and manufacturing rose to its highest rate since November 2018, resuming high prepandemic labor demand amid an overall shortage of qualified workers. Now strong vehicle sales and tight inventories, created in part by the mandated shutdowns, have elevated new orders for motor vehicles and other equipment to record levels in July and August. Business equipment investment has returned to its highest level since 2018 in our most recent review of data. We're seeing these positive economic headlines manifest in our commercial loan pipelines, which continue to rebuild. There remains some hesitation among businesses regarding the lack of clarity around the election, hopefully, just in the process now of getting adjusted; the virus; as well as the economic recovery overall. But we expect commercial loan production to pick up late this quarter and next year. This act is a nice complement to the consumer side where home lending, auto, RV/marine continue to produce steady originations. Home lending, in particular, continues to produce very, very good results. We also continue to see many consumer and commercial customers maintaining elevated levels of liquidity, which we expect to persist for some time. We're actively managing both sides of the balance sheet to optimize returns. We manage a simple business model focused on the execution of our strategies, which build on the competitive advantages in our core businesses. The business model, balance between commercial and consumer, provides diversification of revenue where good performance is offsetting challenges in some areas. We're focused on driving organic revenue growth across all of our businesses. We also continue to innovate, introducing new products and product features and to deliver distinguished customer experiences, all supporting our purpose, which is to make lives better -- people's lives better, help businesses thrive and strengthen the communities we serve. Our differentiated product offerings and the high level of customer service fuel our continued organic growth. Deepening all relationships remains a key focus for our colleagues, and there's still significant opportunity within our customer base. Our optimistic view of the economy and the momentum we currently enjoy across our businesses are driving our efforts to accelerate certain aspects of our strategic plan. We're investing in people, digital technology and other strategic business initiatives that will drive revenue growth over the near, intermediate and long term. Our digital and mobile technology strategies continue to be a key area of investment, and these investments will further build our brand differentiation and lead to better experiences created by increased digitization and improved execution. Digital enablement is our top technology priority. As in the past, we'll actually manage our expenses and take actions when necessary, as we did in the second quarter, so that we can continue to invest and drive revenue growth. And finally, while we're optimistic, we also remain vigilant to possible risks. We're monitoring economic and customer data closely and tightly managing our businesses. Our well-defined risk appetite and our strong risk culture have served us well this year and as we and our customers face the challenges of the pandemic. As we've discussed previously, over the past decade, we fundamentally changed Huntington's enterprise risk management. We now see it as a source of strength for the company as compared to weaknesses during the prior cycle. Our commitment to an aggregate moderate-to-low risk profile continues to be illustrated in this year's DFAST results, which demonstrated superior credit performance for our fifth consecutive DFAST filing. Our underlying portfolio metrics continue to reflect our expectation for credit outperformance through the cycle, including further improvement in the fourth quarter. As a reminder, we reinforced the importance of these risk management standards by requiring the top 1,600 officers of the company to comply with hold-through-retirement restrictions on their equity awards. Our Board, management and colleagues are highly aligned with our shareholders, collectively a top 10 shareholder. I believe this alignment is often underappreciated by The Street, and I personally like to think of these 1,600 colleagues as partners, as owners, aligned and deeply committed because we're locked in. We're long-term shareholders focused on driving sustained long-term financial results. So let me turn it back to Erika. And if she's not on, Mark, maybe you could pick up for her until she joins us.
Mark Muth
executiveErika, can you hear us?
Stephen Steinour
executiveOkay. Just ask the easy questions, Mark.
Mark Muth
executiveAll right. So Erika emailed me a few of these. Let's get started. So Steve, with the U.S. election behind us and COVID cases continuing to spike globally, can you discuss your view on how the economic recovery will fare as we look out into the next year? And how important do you believe it is that we get another stimulus from Congress to keep the recovery going?
Stephen Steinour
executiveSo as we've said, even going back to the second quarter earnings, we saw a recovery, clearly reiterated that in the third quarter outlook and certainly are of that view today. And so we're investing in advance of the recovery this year. We'll continue with that next year, as I discussed. We're very confident in the recovery, but we'll adjust if we need to, should things deteriorate. But news this morning about potential vaccines. The economic activity in our region, I won't repeat it, is very good. And we think this region benefits from a number of things, including reshoring and onshoring of manufacturing and jobs, and the states are well positioned. JobsOhio, which is the economic engine for Ohio, is independent and is fully funded. It's very dynamic in its outreach. So I like the relative position we have here in the Midwest and certainly that which we enjoy as a bank.
Mark Muth
executiveAll right. Thank you. And Steve, similar theme, economic trends. What are you observing in your Midwest markets? How are these trends evolving? And how does this play out, particularly with the manufacturing sector or other areas that were potentially hard hit within the footprint?
Stephen Steinour
executiveWell, as we saw, auto was closed down for a number of months, and so the auto supply continues to ramp up. Inventories, reflected through floor plan loans with us and others, are seasonally low. And there's just not enough vehicles to meet demand. The same could be said for RV and marine. Those are core businesses for us. And then more broadly, the housing front is very constrained. There's just not enough supply, and we see that through a number of statistics. So there's a robust consumer recovery. And the consumer still is very liquid. So I think we're going to see a good holiday season. I think the news will just keep getting better. And that will -- as supply lines get adjusted -- because I think there is inventory tightness and there will be for some of our retailers and others, both regionally and nationally, as that adjusts, I think we're on an economic recovery. And while it may be uneven in some spots, it will generally strengthen through '21.
Mark Muth
executiveAll right. Zach, we've got one here for you.
Zachary Wasserman
executiveOkay.
Mark Muth
executiveCan you talk about your tech priorities beyond the consumer digital initiatives that you speak about frequently?
Zachary Wasserman
executiveSure. Sure, thanks. So technology development has been a major focus for Huntington for some time. I'm getting some echo here. Okay, it's stopped now. So this is not a new phenomenon. We are continuing to accelerate. I think some of the things we're really proud about is the transition to agile development, which is the best-in-class, cross-functional and iterative development process. And we've really nailed that and done that extremely well within the company. And we really -- generally, our priorities have 3 macro focus areas: point-of-sale capabilities to be able to originate products online; secondly, deepening to drive higher levels of engagement, higher levels of primary bank and optimal customer relationships within our customers; and then lastly, process efficiency and servicing. For the last couple of years, there's been 3 big focus areas. One, in our consumer and business banking unit, we've talked a lot about that over time, so I won't go into too much detail there other than to say there's substantial momentum that we're seeing. We've seen the second year in a row of the J.D. Power survey ranking Huntington as the -- as having the top regional banking mobile app and significant customer adoption. Sorry, we're just getting some echo go here, so we're going to try to see if we can figure out how to stop that. And our vehicle finance area has been another key focus area for us, driving digital contracting; digital loan payments; taking cost and friction out of the process; and in treasury, a number of functionalities. As we go forward, the goal is to build on that momentum and drive technology road maps that are just as robust in every one of our businesses, with a particular focus on commercial and our wealth and advisory businesses, and all of this with a mind toward our strategy, which is to become the country's leading people-first, digitally powered bank, with all of our mind toward accelerating revenue as we get into the recovery, as Steve has noted a couple of times in the beginning. Sorry for all these technical issues we're having here.
Mark Muth
executiveErika, did hear you join?
Stephen Steinour
executiveYou want to go to the next question, Mark?
Mark Muth
executiveYes. Let's go ahead to the next one. Steve, can you discuss your recent product announcement in consumer and business banking where you extend overdraft to business banking customers and increase the threshold for overdraft to $50. HBAN has been ahead of this trend, dating back to your announcement 10 years ago introducing the 24-Hour Grace product. How do you see the future of overdraft fees evolving in the country?
Stephen Steinour
executiveWell, I don't know how the overdrafts will evolve in the country, but I do think there's a moment in time to be dynamic and to be supportive of consumers. We've chosen to do that in the past, and we've recently done that again with this safety zone that's up to $50 of overdraft, no charge, complementing 24-Hour grace for consumers. We've expanded that as well for small businesses, or businesses generally, but principally to the benefit of small businesses. We're a very large small business lender bank, and this is very, very well received. So we've -- we're getting positive reactions from both sets of customers, and we'd expect that to continue.
Mark Muth
executiveAll right. Moving on to next question here. Zach, earlier this year, Huntington embarked on an expense management plan expected to generate $75 million of annual savings in '20 and '21, with management suggesting the possibility of reinvesting most all of its '21 savings. Given the moderating revenue backdrop, can you discuss how you're weighing and managing expense levels versus prioritizing investments?
Zachary Wasserman
executiveYes. Thanks, again, Mark, for that question. Look, I think we have been highly focused on disciplined and rigorous expense management for a while. And I would call it a couple of the major actions that we took to drive efficiency in late 2019, in the fourth quarter, and then yet again in the third quarter of this year with substantial expense reduction actions. And the goal of those was to drive efficiency and to generate investment capacity and also to drive record levels of pre -- PPNR and PTPP. So we're doing extremely well on our expense management this year. As we go -- and that will drive us into the -- likely the eighth consecutive year of positive operating leverage into -- in 2020. As we get into a recovery, and as Steve has said, the goal now is to pivot into driving investments that will accelerate revenue growth. And we are -- we've talked for a while about the investment capacity that we've generated as part of our expense reduction programs was there to utilize for investments to the extent that we saw the economic recovery solidifying and strengthening, and that's exactly what we're seeing. And so we're exercising the option now to go back and lean into those investments. And so I think we're bullish about it. We like that expense plan. And we know that over the moderate term, the next 3 to 6 quarters, we're going to start to see revenue accelerating as a result of it.
Stephen Steinour
executiveZach, I think it's fair to say that we're accelerating our digital investments as a consequence of the pandemic and changing customer preferences. And I'm sure others are, but we're being explicit about it.
Mark Muth
executiveAll right. It looks like we now have Erika. Good morning, Erika.
L. Erika Penala
analystGood morning, everybody. Sorry about all the technical difficulties that we've been having. So just to pick up the question here, what has the pandemic taught you so far on what the role digital branches have in the future? And also with 163 of your branches in grocery stores, did you learn anything about the in-store model evolving over time?
Stephen Steinour
executiveThank you, Erika. There's a very strong echo -- recurring echo off your transmission, just so you're aware. So responding to your question, clearly, we've had a significant digital uptake, and 2/3 of our deposit-related activity come in through mobile deposit or ATM now. So the nature of the branch is continuing to change. Interestingly, our branches in August and September had mid-90% year-over-year comparability in terms of sales activity, and we had good August and Septembers, both last year and this year. So the role is changing. It will continue to evolve. That will provide some level of continued consolidation. We've been doing this regularly every 12 months, essentially, for the last 4 years. And we'll continue to refine our distribution network, but I believe there's a role of the branch. Going forward, it will change. It'll be more outbound oriented. It'll have more consultation, and I think it will also have problem-solving dimensions that will be very important for our customers as well. We think the branches at, at this point, are doing about 25% of their sales in a virtual context. As we continue to upskill and train, that will likely increase. I see that as very, very positive because it keeps a local connection into our customer base. Having said that, I think the investments we've made over the years, these #1 J.D. Powers for mobile 2 years in a row for regional banks reflect capabilities, including training of colleagues. So we have digital champions in all of our branches and a consistent training effort that's been going on now for 2.5 years. So I like how we're positioned. Accelerating further investment will only help us provide even better service. Think of it as sort of end-to-end customer capabilities. The self-service that a lot of us do in different domains these days is coming. In terms of the in-stores, it's still a full service experience. It's an acquisition vehicle for us. We have adjusted some of our in-store branches here in Ohio, including the round that was just recently announced. But we think of that as an important -- because of convenience, an important point of our distribution. However, I would expect there'll be -- as we do with traditionals, we'll continue to rationalize and look for ways to service our customers and to grow but probably through less physical points going forward.
L. Erika Penala
analystThank you for that, Steve. Outside of optimizing branches, what would you say is on Huntington's expense contingency list for 2021? Or you see the most opportunity to continue to extract cost savings?
Zachary Wasserman
executiveMaybe I'll take that one. This is Zach Wasserman. Good to have you on the call now, Erika. Thanks for the question. So generally, we like our expense plan. We think we've got terrific levels of efficiency, and we're holding our nonexpense -- noninvestment expenses very flat so that we're not driving any expense growth with our strategic investments, particularly in tech and marketing, which, as I said before, really is about driving revenue acceleration. But with that being said, we are always looking at contingencies and potential options to reduce expenses if we need to. And really, what I would say is those come in 4 categories, the same ones that we have talked about in the past. Number one, discretionary expenses like travel, training, other kind of support costs; secondly, structural costs, like our corporate real estate, like our branch footprint; third, our investments, like technology and marketing; and fourth, our organization. And so which of these levers we might pull is really a function on what's happening and what's driving the need to reduce expenses. If it's something very substantial, like a change in the course of the economy, then I think what you'd see us is to pull essentially all of those levers with a focus on reducing investments, particularly marketing. If the economy is soft, then we will want to make sure that the investments we're making have a good return. And we'd also lean more into significant structural or the -- some of the organizational categories. So if it's just a short-term pressure or some unique scenario, then the mix would be different. But we've got contingencies across all of those categories.
Stephen Steinour
executiveZach, if I could add a little bit, this year is reflective of adjusting, right? We've shared for years, we start every year with a contingency list. Middle of March pandemic hits. We were scrambling into April. But by May, we had pulled that list back out, and we executed it, and we took out $75 million. Now we're going to reinvest that $75 million to be sure because of the outlook we have. But we did take it out. We did job eliminations in August. The branch announcements we teed up for September were decided in the second quarter. There are a whole series of things we did with that. So we will start '21 with a contingent list as well. If, for some reason, our outlook does not materialize -- and today, it looks particularly good, but if it doesn't materialize, then we'll lean back on the expenses. Over time, you'll probably see occupancy expense reduce. As we digitize more end-to-end and provide more self-service, we will become more efficient in that domain as well. But we think we've got significant revenue momentum now in our business lines, and we're going to play a revenue game going into '21.
L. Erika Penala
analystSpeaking of which, Zach, my boss -- my big boss, Brian Moynihan, was on the stage earlier today -- the virtual stage earlier today and gave some positive data points on consumer activity. And I'm wondering, Zach, if you could discuss some of the trends that you're seeing in consumer activity-related fee income, excluding mortgage. Specifically, where do you expect these to go back to pre-COVID levels relatively quickly? And what areas could remain depressed for a prolonged period of time?
Zachary Wasserman
executiveYes. Let's touch on that a bit here. Fees in '20 have been a real bright spot for us, as you noted, 8% higher year-on-year, and that's mortgage doubling, but with a couple of other lines under pressure, like deposit service charges that have been held down given the excess liquidity and higher levels of deposits we've seen in the customer accounts as well as some of the temporary COVID-related fee waivers that we put into place in late Q1 into Q2. So as we go forward, I do think, all things equal, given how strong fees were this year, that it will be -- '21 will be a bit of a tougher comp year. But I do expect some continued strength in mortgage. We're seeing the housing market, as Steve noted in his opening comments, be quite strong and sort of the -- not only for refis but also for purchases. And so that should continue to be an area of strength for us. Other places that we're seeing a nice rebound, capital markets. As our customer activity rebounds and as the market has stabilized, we are expecting to see that line bottom out and begin to grow as we go into next year. Card and payments is another good one. We've been seeing debit volumes, I think we disclosed this in our last earnings call, growing at around 20% year-on-year. Now that's an exceptionally high level, but we do expect that to sustain into the mid- to high single-digit range just going forward. So that and then as well commercial card penetration is doing quite well. So I think the card and payments income stream should see a nice level of growth. Treasury penetration across our businesses has been robust, and so that's driving a nice fee line. And then lastly, insurance, trust advisory, continued solid growth. I think on the topic of service charges, just lastly, they're recovering but slowly. And I would expect them to be generally flat to these levels for the foreseeable future. And so we're watching that line be roughly flat and some of the other key fee lines I mentioned drive the growth.
L. Erika Penala
analystGot it. And I thought, while we have you, I'd pivot to a discussion on the net interest income outlook. Zach, I thought it was notable that you mentioned that you expect the net interest margin to tick up slightly in 4Q and in 2020 around 3% versus the 2.96% reported in the third quarter before stabilizing or improving moderately in 2021, of course, excluding the impact of PPP. Looking out from here, can you briefly discuss the various factors that give you confidence that the margin has bottomed?
Stephen Steinour
executiveSure. Sure, let's go through that. Before I even get into talking too much about net interest margin, I think it's important to note that we manage for revenue growth and return on capital, not NIM in and of itself. With that being said, the net interest margin is clearly a key driver, and so I think your question is very understandable. As we exit '20, in Q4, as we've said before and we continue to believe, we think we'll see flat to slightly higher NIM in the fourth quarter, and there's the positive factors of a small incremental hedge benefit, it's probably 3 basis points. And interest-bearing liabilities continue to trend down more than 30 basis points lower sequentially. That, however, will be essentially offset by pressure on the earning assets and free funds. So net-net, a small single-digit increase in NIM in Q4. And then as we look out into '21, there's a few dynamics that are in place. One is our hedging program should drive a few additional basis points of benefit as we get into next year. But much more substantially, our balance sheet optimization program that we talked about in our last earnings call will start to bear fruit and help us to stabilize the NIM at around these levels for the foreseeable future. There's really 3 key levers of that. Firstly, funding optimization, continuing to bring down customer deposit costs and optimizing our wholesale funding in concert with what we're seeing on the deposit side. Secondly, asset growth and mix where our focus is growing higher risk-adjusted yield products, like Small Business Administration, HELOC, asset-based lending and also putting commercial -- putting loan floors into commercial agreements. And then lastly, customer level pricing. We're really focused on primary bank relationship and optimizing the return that we've got at a customer level. So that's the -- those are the factors that'll help us stabilize the NIM at that current level. There's a couple of wildcards I'll just close with, one is PPP and the timing of that. To be clear, my guidance before was not including PPP, but our fully reported results, when we report them, will. And I do expect that the timing of PPP forgiveness will drive additional positive benefit to NIM in the first couple of quarters of next year. We'll see, but that's our expectation. And then lastly is the evolution of our hedging program. We continue to watch the markets very closely and, over time, could continue to adjust that program, which could drive some change. But as of now, what we see is what I've said is a roughly stable level of NIM for the foreseeable future at current levels.
L. Erika Penala
analystThat's good. That's great. And maybe, Rich, one for you. Your peers have discussed expectations for net charge-offs to peak around mid-2021. Would you agree with this timing? And how should we think about a realistic charge-off range we should think about in this pandemic, taking into account your portfolio trends and, potentially, another government stimulus?
Richard Pohle
executiveYes. Well, thanks, Erika. Well, let me just start off by saying at the end of the third quarter, our ACL at 2.31% and 2.50% without PPP, we believe that we're well reserved at the end of the last quarter. As it relates to pinpointing the peak, it's difficult to do that. There's still a lot of liquidity out in the market at this point. But I think given our economic outlook, it's fair to say around mid-2021, I would say. And ultimately, that's going to depend on the timing of a vaccine, obviously, we got great news this morning from Pfizer, and the size and impact of any new stimulus that might be out there. As it relates for the range of charge-offs, I think that, too, is going to depend on the vaccine and stimulus. But oil and gas issues are largely behind us, and we're fully reserved there for any losses. Our goal is to have a 35 to 55 basis point through-the-cycle range, and we believe that's achievable at this point.
L. Erika Penala
analystGot it. [Operator Instructions] Steve, the final one is for you. Bank valuation suggests that the market believes that credit losses will be manageable relative to current reserve levels, especially your robust reserve levels that Rich just mentioned, but it also reflects pessimism on the revenue and growth outlook. And as you think about what the recovery could look like from here, what does the range look like for "normalized" return on tangible common equity for Huntington?
Stephen Steinour
executiveWell, for us, as Zach pointed out, our NIM stabilizing at around what we reported in the third quarter is very, very beneficial. And we expect that we will maintain that over not just '21 but beyond, as we're planning. So that gives us the potential then, as we normalize provision and as we get the economics off of our investments, the revenue benefits, to be at the low end of our long-term financial metric. Just to remind you and others, we have long-range goals of 17% to 20% return on tangible common equity, and we can see our way to the low end of that range.
L. Erika Penala
analystThat's great, Steve. And first question from the audience. Zach, I believe this is probably for you. Cost of deposits is already very low at 13 basis points. How much lower can this go?
Zachary Wasserman
executiveYes. I think a bit lower. We continue to see deposit costs tick down in the fourth quarter. And my sense is that the level we're getting right now on deposit costs is likely -- the level we're seeing in Q4 will then sustain going forward. So I see several additional basis points beyond that, and then roughly sustaining at that level for the foreseeable future on deposit costs. And then you didn't ask it, but I'll just tack it on that the other side of the equation that we focus on a lot is wholesale- and corporate-level funding optimization as well, which, over time, will probably be an even larger area of optimization and opportunity.
L. Erika Penala
analystAnd one last one, I think. And I think this is for Steve. Clearly, we have a change in administration on the horizon. How important is buyback to reaching that lower end of your ROTCE range in a normalized backdrop?
Stephen Steinour
executiveWe don't see a change in administration as impacting our performance. This is within our control. If there's, for any reason, more regulatory burden, and we're not projecting that, we'll figure out how to [indiscernible] and move forward. But we have a simple business model, and it's up to us to execute it well. And it's in our control to deliver those results, no matter who's in the executive branch.
L. Erika Penala
analystGot it. And we have one more, Zach, for you. Given the prospects of potentially greater spending, how does a CFO prepare for a potential steepening of the curve when the market seems to be very consensus that rates will be lower for longer?
Zachary Wasserman
executiveYes. It's a great question. It's one we wrestle with a lot, so I appreciate whoever asked that question because that's the world in which we live. Look, we manage what we can control and we plan based on the yield curve that we see. With that being said, we do constantly look at multiple scenarios and contingencies. And while we've tuned the NIM strategy right now for the current low-for-long forward yield curve outlook, we are ready if rates start to move higher. And there's a few things that I would call out in terms of how we do that. Firstly, much of the hedging program that we have uses floors to allow us to preserve the upside as rates rise, if and when they rise. Secondly, we have a number of received variable swaps on our securities portfolio that protect us in a rising interest rate environment. And so that will be constructive if that comes to pass. Third, we continue to evaluate our hedging program over time and with a view toward protecting our OCI and capital levels given the pricing of our securities book to the extent that rates rise. And then lastly, what I would say, I think, is a rising rate environment generally implies stronger economic growth, and so we'll also be leaning in heavy on where there are opportunities to continue to grow, for example, in commercial, driving more floating rate production; seeing the line utilization benefits of that likely flowing through into higher asset levels; and then, over time, evaluating more fixed funding options. So a lot of tools in our tool belt, and we're ready either way it goes.
Stephen Steinour
executiveAnd we are naturally asset-sensitive, as you know, Erika.
L. Erika Penala
analystYes. Absolutely. Well, I think that's all the time that we have for this session. Again, deep apologies to everybody for the initial technical difficulties that we experienced. And Steve, Zach and Rich, thank you so much for taking the time out and joining us today.
Stephen Steinour
executiveIt's our pleasure.
Zachary Wasserman
executiveYou're welcome. Good day.
Richard Pohle
executiveThanks, Erika.
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