Hypera S.A. (HYPE3) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

July 27, 2020

BOVESPA BR Health Care Pharmaceuticals earnings 64 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Good morning. Welcome to Hypera Pharma's Second Quarter 2020 Results Conference Call. Today with us, we have Mr. Breno Oliveira, CEO; and Mr. Adalmario Couto, CFO and IRO. We would like to inform you that this event is being recorded [Operator Instructions] Today's live webcast may be accessed with the company's Investor Relations website at hypera.com.br/ir. We would like to inform you that some statements during this conference call may constitute forward-looking statements. The statements are subject to known and unknown risks and uncertainties that could cause the company's actual results to differ materially from those set forth in the forward-looking statements. Now I'll turn the floor to Mr. Breno Oliveira, who will begin the presentation. Mr. Breno, you may begin your conference.

Breno Pires de Oliveira

executive
#2

Good morning, everyone. Welcome to our earnings call for the second quarter of 2020. I'd like to begin by talking about the conclusion of the efforts in the independent committee. In May 25, we communicated to market that the committee's activities will be concluded. The Board approved a payment term in which our main shareholder, without taking responsibility and understanding this to be the company's -- in the company's best interest as well as its shareholders agreed to pay the company the remaining value of undue payments found by an internal investigation, amounting to around BRL 110 million. The independent committee also presented recommendations aiming to perfecting even further our internal controls in our compliance program, which has evolved significantly in the last years. These recommendations are being assessed and put into practice by our compliance team, coordinated by the auditing committee. The company continues to collaborate with the investigations and is assessing legal top -- new alternatives to conclude this situation. Now we're going to talk about our operational performance on Slide 3. Our net revenue reached BRL 1.050 billion in the quarter, 8% higher than the second quarter of 2019. This was boosted by a strong growth in sellout in Consumer Health at the end of March, which did not impact the net revenue in the first quarter. And as a consequence, the surge that consumers had in buying over-the-counter medications in the beginning of the COVID-19 pandemic and also increased sellout in Generics over the second quarter of 2020. Due to the challenges caused by the pandemic, we have been having more discipline in managing expenses and costs, which has resulted in an increased EBITDA margin in the second quarter, both compared to the second quarter of 2019 and the first quarter of 2020, even excluding other nonrecurring operational revenues. Social isolation have maintained -- are maintained through the second quarter of 2020, which reduced the number of people in pharmacies, reduced the number of doctor consultations and in the reduction of prescription medication, especially acute-use medication, which is a relevant part of our portfolio. This has led to a negative impact on the Brazilian pharma industry, and as a consequence, affected our sellout, which had a drop of 1.6% in the quarter. This was caused mainly by our performance in April when movement restrictions were stronger in the main regions of Brazil and our medical visiting teams were put on furlough. In April, our sellout dropped by 10%. From May, we saw that social isolation was flexibilized in some regions, which led to a gradual recovery in the number of doctor consultations and increased the number of people at pharmacies. These factors and the return of the medical business teams and the merchandising teams as well as resuming our investments in point-of-sale and intensifying our investments in digital marketing has recovered our sellout performance. In June, we grew 7%. And based on preliminary data, July will also have a growth of 7% to 8%. The Generics category was the main highlight of the second quarter. Sellout grew especially boosted by generic medication and brands, Doralgina, Histamin, Dropy D and Centrotabs as seen on Slide 4. This growth was taking place, especially in medium networks and in the regions that were further from the big cities, which highlights our distribution strength, which can reach basically 100% of pharmacies in Brazil. In Consumer Health, the highlight was once again the vitamins and supplement segment, which has been underscored by the recent launches, Vitasay and Tamarine as well as Biotônico Fontoura and Maracugina. We have to highlight that the anti-flu medication segment, where we are market leaders, have presented a strong drop this quarter, impacted mainly by social isolation and the winter in Brazil, which is the most important sellout period in this category. Prescription products were once again benefited by the Addera brand, which gained market share this quarter and is still benefited by recent studies, which reinforce the importance of vitamin D for the regulation of the immune system. Beside that, recent launches such as Colflex and Ofolato also had an important performance this quarter. On the other hand, despite the gradual recovery we've seen in the number of doctor consultations after our teams have come back and after social isolation has been flexibilized, the quarter ended marked by a strong reduction in the number of doctor consultations because of the COVID pandemic, impacting sellout negatively in some relative categories such as dermatology, pediatrics and orthopedics. In the second quarter, we have not lost sight of our long-term objective, which is innovation. We've invested 7.1% of our net revenue in research and development, launching some extended product lines, which are important for the company. In Prescription Product, I'd like to highlight Colflex Trio, an extension of the Colflex brand, to treat osteoarthritis, pain and cartilage regeneration; and Gestamax Plus, an extension of the Gestamax supplement, indicated during pregnancy. In Consumer Health, the main launch has been a line extension of the sweetener Zero-Cal brand, with a new presentation based on Eritritol. Before I let Adalmario speak about the second quarter results in further detail, I'd like to quickly mention recent acquisitions, shareholder payouts and some of the measures we've taken about COVID-19, shown on Slide 5. We've taken important steps in acquiring Buscopan recently and selling new Neocopan. The contribution of Neocopan for our operation's EBITDA in 2019 was under 0.5%. Besides that, we hedged all of our exposure to the U.S. dollar in acquiring Takeda brands. We've maintained our shareholder payout strategy. We declared BRL 186 million in interest over our own capital or BRL 0.29 per share, a growth of 15% versus the second quarter 2019. We've also continued our expansion project in our solids plant, which should be concluded in September and the new area should be put into operation in early 2021. With that, we'll have the capacity to grow, especially in Generics and to produce Buscopan and Takeda brands, our products, internally. Finally, we maintained our main initiatives to maintain well-being for our teams and the communities we relate to, such as reinforcing coronavirus prevention efforts in our sites, home office for employees who are in the risk groups and for our management teams. And we've also made telemedicine services available to all our employees and their family numbers. Moreover, we donated this quarter respirators and COVID-19 tests for the Anápolis population, a region where we have nearly 4,000 employees. This quarter, we managed to expand our net revenues, our EBITDA and our net profit. And we generated demand in some relevant categories for the company such as flu medication, dermatology, pediatrics and orthopedics. And they impacted our sellout growth in the first half of the year and as a consequence, our set goals for this year in terms of net revenue. We have a robust constant motion plan for the second half of 2020 to mitigate impacts of reduced sales. And based on that, we establish new guidances for 2020, which are net revenue around BRL 4 billion and a net profit of continued operations around BRL 1.3 billion. This guidance is already considering the expected results from Buscopan and will be submitted to the authorities still this week, but it does not include the brands acquired from Takeda. Now Adalmario will speak about other results this quarter.

Adalmario Couto

executive
#3

Thank you, Breno. Good morning, everyone. Before going into the second quarter of figures in further detail, I'd just like to mention this has not been an easy quarter. It actually never is. But we have had very good results with all the challenges we've had, especially when we consider the overall economy and other industries. This crisis specifically highlights not only the resilience but also the importance of the health industry, especially pharma, in aiding and treating, developing vaccines and also the importance of prevention and the concern of the population with having a higher immunity. Now to speak about our results. We had a growth of about 8% in net revenues, led especially by increased volumes of 5% and 3% related to increased prices.

Operator

operator
#4

Ladies and gentlemen, please hold. The conference call will return soon. [Technical Difficulty] Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for holding. We will now continue the Hypera Pharma conference call.

Adalmario Couto

executive
#5

Everyone, sorry for the issue. Just to continue, we were talking about the growth of our net revenue, which was about 8%. It was mainly boosted by increased volumes of about 5% and 3% versus price increase. Regarding price readjustments, we had a 60-day delay in readjustment, which was authorized by the government for monitored medication. It was supposed to start on April 1, but it was enacted only on June 1. In our case, the impact was lower since most of our portfolio is in the free price category, and we have more flexibility in readjusting price. With that, skin cosmetic and supplement prices have been readjusted in April. And medications, especially in the over-the-counter portfolio increased for May and the rest of the portfolio in June. The average readjustment was about 6.5%. We had a great contribution this quarter from Consumer Health, led by our clients restarting their inventories after a strong demand in mainly all of the current categories in March. There will be higher concentration at the end of the month and also acceleration in the demand for Generics as well as the strong growth in revenue and volumes. There was a reduction in Prescription products because of the impact of some categories that -- in which we have a higher concentration such as pediatrics, respiratory and orthopedics. Now to talk about costs. We had an increase in our costs, especially related to exchange rates. The average exchange rate went from BRL 4.24 versus BRL 3.74 in the same quarter last year. That is a depreciation of 13%. We also had the impact of an effective increase in the dollar price inputs and additional expenses related to COVID and shipping since we have to change from sea transportation to air to increase the availability of the drugs. With that, our gross margins were slightly below 66%, a reduction of 2.5 points versus the second quarter of 2019. Before we talk about expenses, I'd also like to mention that not only did we complete hedging to pay for the Takeda acquisition, as Breno said, but we also hedged 100% of our expected purchase in imported inputs for the rest of the year, at an exchange rate under BRL 5. We also started a hedge for the CapEx forecast, especially related to machinery importation to expand our plant. Speaking about expenses, despite the reduction we had in travel and vehicles in the trade and merchant teams, we had a slight increase versus the same period last year, especially because of a higher investment in R&D and expansion in our employees list and materials related to developing new products. With regards to marketing, where we allocate most of our investments, we optimized management, which has allowed our marketing expenses to be below 18% of our net revenue. We reduced our expenses with media by 17%, and we also had a lower number of medical events because of COVID-19. We also anticipated vacations for the medical visiting team in April, and it normally takes place between December and January. SG&A was in line with what we had, and we had an additional revenue of BRL 107 million, which came from the damages agreement and payment term between the company and its major shareholder. Depreciation was in line with the previous year. And with that, EBITDA reached BRL 440 million or 43% of our margin before nonrecurring expenses. That would be BRL 347 million adjusted for 33% of the EBITDA margin. This margin is higher than what we have in our budget due to a slightly higher gross margin, but especially because of the lower investment margin. Financial results were impacted by the additional leverage spread, which we took to reinforce the company's liquidity between the end of the first quarter and the beginning of the second quarter. And we also saw the positive effect of mark-to-market of the hedge related to the Takeda acquisition. Income tax expenses were about BRL 3 million after deducting benefits of interest over our own capital and the subvention in the state of Goiás. With that, our net profits for continued operations were BRL 399 million with a total net profit of BRL 396 million. Now let's talk about cash flow. The cash generated by the operation this quarter was more than enough for our CapEx investment, especially increasing our productive capacity and maintenance. And it also allowed us to improve our R&D investments to develop new products, generating at the end of the quarter a free cash flow of BRL 239 million. As we have said in the previous call, we spent about BRL 2.5 billion in long-term financing, in particular, to pay for the Takeda acquisition and to make sure that the company had cash resources available. We also took BRL 300 million in additional financing to reinforce the company's liquidity. With that, we concluded the quarter with cash position above BRL 5 billion, which is more than enough to pay for the Buscopan and Takeda acquisitions. Without considering that -- those acquisitions, the company still have net cash of BRL 370 million. And even after paying for the acquisition, our leverage ratio should be below 2x, considering the combined portfolio with Buscopan and Takeda. In our balance, the main variations were what we mentioned on the company's liquidity. We concluded the quarter at a comfortable position of over BRL 5 billion in cash, with an increase of our short- and long-term credits. Regarding the main ones impacted by our merchant capital investment, we had an increase of BRL 300 million in accounts receivables, which was reflected in the number of days from 95 in the second quarter of 2019 to 110 days. We also had an increase in the level of our inventory, which was offset by the increase in the average return for suppliers. With that, our working capital investments as a percentage of net revenue was stable under 40%. Now Breno will now give his closing remarks.

Breno Pires de Oliveira

executive
#6

Thanks, Adalmario. The Brazilian pharma at this year has proven once again that not only does it count with several growth opportunities in several segments, but also it is solid and very resilient. This quarter was strongly affected by the reduction in the number of doctor consultations and a lower number of people in pharmacies that have, as the main reason as Brazilians resume its activities, our expectations are that the market will gradually go back to its historical growth level, especially given the aging population, which favors the increase of the consumption of medication. Combined with these factors, the strength of our brand and our distribution reaching 100% of pharmacies across Brazil and the conclusion of the recent acquisitions will leverage our sellout growth in the next quarters and years. Thank you, and we'll now continue with the questions-and-answer session.

Operator

operator
#7

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from JPMorgan, Mr. Joseph.

Joseph Giordano

analyst
#8

I'm sorry, I can't hear you very well, but my question here is on M&A. What is your outlook on potential acquisitions after the recent one? I'm sure that given the current context, many companies have had troubles with the delayed increased prices and weaker sellout first quarter. So my question is about your sellout. What do you see are the main trends here for sellout so far and profitability?

Breno Pires de Oliveira

executive
#9

Joe, we're hearing that the call is not, I think, very good quality, so I'll try to speak slower. I can hear you fine now. Okay. So I'll answer your question, and if there are any problems, please let me know. So to answer the first question on M&A, our focus right now has been in integrating the recent acquisitions we had.

Joseph Giordano

analyst
#10

I'm sorry, I can't hear your answer.

Breno Pires de Oliveira

executive
#11

That's okay. Just give us a second, and we're seeing what we can do with our provider. So I'll try and speak slowly, and we'll see if you can hear me. Starting on M&A, our focus right now is to integrate the recent acquisitions we had, Buscopan and Takeda. We're also focusing on organic growth, innovation, which is the company's main focus. With regard to other opportunities, just as we have these opportunities here, we are looking for opportunities that would make sense from a strategical point of view. From a financial point of view, as Adalmario said, despite the acquisitions, we're still at a very comfortable situation financially. We're expecting a leverage of 2x the EBITDA we're under, even after the acquisitions. So to summarize, we're going to be looking for opportunities that do make sense from a strategical point of view, but this is not our priority. With regards to the sellout trends, as I said, this has been improving gradually and slowly. So we saw that the results were negative in April. In May, they were even. And in June, we already saw some growth. And data from July are also showing high single-digit growth levels. So we believe that as social isolation reduces, demand will bounce back again. And our portfolio, which has been affected, especially the influenza and chronic -- or, excuse me, acute use medication will recover their demand. We believe that this is a one-off. The second half of next year will not be related to this year, assuming the situation with COVID-19 is normalized. This entire trend will be reversed later on. We're looking at the situation on a monthly basis, and it has been improving, especially in the markets I mentioned. Another point to highlight here is the performance of the Generics segment, which has been growing significantly. We expect this to continue to grow, especially because of some factors, because consumers are finding alternatives that come at a better cost and also social isolation being reduced. I think social isolation will be reduced in main cities, and I'm not sure if that is an answer that you can understand -- that you could understand.

Joseph Giordano

analyst
#12

Yes. I have some trouble with the connection, but I did manage to hear most of your answer. If you can tell us a bit about your SG&A reduction. You mentioned marketing, but I'd just like to understand how that went on the corporate side, if you had pay cuts, if you reduced your personnel. If you could you tell us a bit about that?

Breno Pires de Oliveira

executive
#13

Right. Before I answer, I just got some feedback saying that the connection's better on the webcast. So if you can connect through there, I think it will make it better. To answer your question, Joe, we did not reduce working hours or salaries. We've taken some measures such as a hiring freeze. We've also adjusted some administrative expenses, but many of the expenses were reduced naturally, as Adalmario said, by reducing travel expenses from our sales team, the administrative staff, the reduction in number of free samples distributed because everyone was on leave in April. Medical events, many of the sponsors have been -- sponsored events were held online. And with that, we also had a high level of savings. And there were some other measures in which we were able to contain expenses more rigorously, but we did not have to reduce working hours. Our focus was to generate demand, and that includes the medical visiting and merchandising teams. And I think that's how we're going to be able to recover the demand for our products.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#14

I hope you can hear me well. I can barely hear you. I'm going to ask you my question. The fact that you hired an investment bank for one of the brands you're purchasing, but that -- is that an indication that you're talking to the authorities? Do you think that process can be accelerated? I'm asking about Takeda. You mentioned in your guidance that your expectation was to conclude this by next year. Is that the expectation we should maintain? And what did you learn from the crisis? What's going to be better in your operations? I imagine that we're going to see a permanent reduction in traveling and visiting that could generate some savings. So talk a bit about what you learned in the last few months.

Breno Pires de Oliveira

executive
#15

So to answer your first question, the Takeda process is going according to our original expectations. So when we announced transactions, we mentioned that we expected to conclude Buscopan in the third quarter and Takeda in the fourth quarter. So this is still our best estimate. But probably, Takeda will be concluded by the end of the fourth quarter. Our goal is to have the authorities approve it still this year so that we can close it this year and have the results of these acquisitions by 2021. That's our best estimate right now. About the lessons learned and improvements, we think the technology is here to stay especially in what concerns office dynamics as not only our office but many others. We had acted quickly to the new reality, and we think that this is here to stay. So travel expenses, for example, for the rest year, they will be cut by 150%. So basically, we can save on traveling and have online meetings. This doesn't apply so much to the field team, but our own teams interacting with plants, São Paulo, Goiânia, Anápolis, that was reduced significantly. Regarding medical business, we also picked the decision to stay. What should happen from now on is a hybrid model to generate medical demands. So reps can have personal visits, but they can also use tools to visit remotely, that can be used to visit doctors again to reinforce the first visit and also visiting doctors and regions we are not present or we don't have a local team. So that, we believe, is bound to stay, and we should see a reduction, or that is, an increased productivity in these teams by about 30%. This is what I can show you. I think that's what will be the long-term impact from the lessons learned about this moment right now.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#16

In the first quarter, you mentioned you have made a partnership with Rappi, the delivery app. So what else has evolved in digital online sales? You mentioned an accelerated investing in technology companies. So if you could tell us a bit about how that has evolved in this quarter.

Breno Pires de Oliveira

executive
#17

Right. That's also an important point. I didn't mention it before, but we have been working in online sales platforms, especially the ones belonging to our clients. So retailers have received investments from us. We have a dedicated team to online trade marketing for our clients. And we've increased our investments there, and we have been seeing the results. Our goal is to gain market share and to lead in our clients' online platforms. And we're also working on our own direct sales platform. We launched our own e-commerce platform in the second quarter. And it was only a pilot project with acute meds, but our team is working on both fronts, especially with clients. Some of clients already have those platforms and they have a natural demand for these kind of products.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#18

I'm not sure if they announced my name, but I'll continue with my question. I'd just like to hear about how you are dealing with the demand in June and July. How do you see this dynamic in the -- in what you described in the release, the media networks and the meds from the areas that are further from big cities? Do you see that trend still? And the second question is, how we should consider inventory and falls in sell-in trends in the gap, how that's going to be for the rest of the year?

Breno Pires de Oliveira

executive
#19

Yes. To answer your first question, we saw this trend moving away from big cities especially at the beginning of social isolation restrictions. As that evolves, we're seeing that going back to normal, as we had before, and this is happening gradually. To answer your question on inventory, for the first quarter, we finished with an inventory that was slightly lower than expected. As we said, we received a great demand at the end of the first quarter. And now we see that inventory levels have normalized, considering what we see happening in the second quarter vis-a-vis the growth we saw right now. So our clients -- and we ourselves have been getting ready for the demand levels that we expected for the second quarter. So the tendency is for this to normalize.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#20

So you're saying that channels will normalize?

Breno Pires de Oliveira

executive
#21

Yes, that's right.

Operator

operator
#22

Our next question comes from Alexandre Falcao, HSBC Bank.

Alexandre Falcao

analyst
#23

Actually, I just wanted to talk again about commercial expenses and how you are repositioning the company forward to recovery. If you could give us some more color on that. Are you only redirecting expenses for the online channel to reduce expenses at points-of-sale? Or are you going to dilute your marketing costs?

Breno Pires de Oliveira

executive
#24

On investments at point-of-sales, it specifically will not be reduced as a percentage of the revenue. We're adapting to the new revenue level that the company expects to have in the new scenario, but our intention is more to reallocate, as it's packaged, our expenses for online initiatives. This was something that we were not focused on before the pandemic and we now have by creating a specific team in the company. But that is not to reduce our total investments in points-of-sale as a percentage of the company's revenues.

Alexandre Falcao

analyst
#25

Right. If I can ask a follow-up question. Does that mean that will you start adding more online sales or more investments in that channel? Will you start looking not only at selling to your clients over this platform but also providing logistics? Or would that always be done by your clients?

Breno Pires de Oliveira

executive
#26

Well, as I've said, we have a pilot project for direct sales, especially some of the categories in our portfolio such as cosmetics and vitamins. But we don't see those as our main channels. More of a learning experience so that you can understand how it works. What we've learned from others is that online sales will be a small share of our sales. Our main focus will be working specifically on reducing our advertising expenses and investing back to digital. But this will be especially directed towards our clients' e-commerce platforms.

Operator

operator
#27

Our next question will be asked by Mr. Gustavo Oliveira from UBS.

Gustavo Oliveira

analyst
#28

I have a couple of questions. First, about our promotional plans. This quarter went up but less than the revenue. This is helping in conversions. Can you tell us what your expectations are for promotional discounts in the future? Secondly, your gross margin. You've shown that about 50% of your lost margins came from the exchange rate. So I just want to understand where is the rest coming from. Is it the mix? And how do you think that will do in the future? And as I said, I'd just like to confirm. I think Adalmario said that the average exchange rate from products sold for BRL 4.4 in this quarter. I'd just like to understand if that's the same value, if I have the right value.

Breno Pires de Oliveira

executive
#29

Gustavo, so this is Breno. I'll answer your first question about discounts and Adalmario will answer your second. So with regard to discounts, I don't know if you remember, but last year, as we focused on sellout, we were very aggressive, especially in some categories such as food medication. And this was done in discounts so that we could increase our sellout. Now for 2020, we also have a mix of the business that is much better balanced. So we're reducing discounts and increasing medical visits and also investments in points of sale. So that will be the trend for the year as a whole. So what we expect in the second half is to maintain that. You will probably see more medical appointments in comparison to last year, a reduction in commercial costs. And you'll probably see our sales agreements go up. Adalmario will now answer your other question.

Adalmario Couto

executive
#30

So about gross margins, it dropped by 2.5 this quarter. Exchange rates were the cause of 50% of that reduction and the other half was basically the increase in input costs in U.S. dollars. And of course, there was increased cost of shipping and some additional costs that we had because it's COVID-19. So hiring additional personnel to replace those employees who were on leave, buying thermometers and other expenses that we had for prevention in our plants that also affected our costs. Our mix was not impacted, although we had a higher sales in the Generics category. Among our products, we also had higher sales in higher-margin products. In our brands portfolio, we also have more products that have higher margins than the average of the company, such as Addera, and also the Consumer Health portfolio. So it was overall a neutral mix this quarter. And the exchange rate this quarter was really an average of BRL 4.24 so that created 2 effects. First, if you look at the average exchange rate for the year, it was around BRL 4.8, BRL 4.9. But the exchange rate impacts our cost and our inventory. We accumulate some inventory over time, usually 4 to 6 months. That's our lead time. And we also hedge. So we have had a better margin position from the beginning of the year. Up to June, we had hedged most of it at 4 point -- at BRL 4 to BRL 4.1. And from now until the end of the year, we are also 100% hedged. I'm not sure if that answers your question.

Gustavo Oliveira

analyst
#31

It does. Just to follow up on your answer. This increased cost of some inputs priced in U.S. dollars, do you think that's structural or was that because of what happened earlier this year? The companies were afraid they won't have enough product. I think in China, they also had some issues with logistics to ship products. I think maybe their manufacturing capacity was also not completely used. So do you think this has been reversed? And also about the extra costs you had in your plant, how do you see these variables?

Adalmario Couto

executive
#32

Regarding additional costs, I think it will depend on the curve we will see as cases go down. But we know that in some areas of Brazil, especially in Goiás, we're seeing cases go up. While in some places like São Paulo, cases are going down. So it really will depend on the curve, when the curve will reach it's peak and when it will stop going up. But we have taken several measures to take care of our employees' health. We've implemented more and more measures and it will depend on that curve. Regarding inputs, what we've seen also is an increase in costs. In China and in India, these places are in different periods. In India, they had a full lockdown, and that impacted production. So we had a delay in their deliveries and this ended up generating higher costs, which were passed on to them for final price. So our supply team is doing excellent work to be able to renegotiate these prices. Although we had an increased price records, we also got better payment terms. So that makes things easier for us. We have some more days to work with, but we are working to reduce these costs that were increased in the second quarter.

Operator

operator
#33

Our next question comes from Mr. Fred Mendes, Bradesco Bank.

Frederico Mendes

analyst
#34

I have 2 questions, and I apologize if I'm going to ask a question that has already been answered. I had some audio trouble. So my apologies to everyone if I do ask something that's already been asked. So now we're seeing some pharmacies be more vocal about increasing their own brand penetration, where they have security in better margins. What is your opinion on that? Is that a concern for you that's going to create an impact? And there was a mismatch between sellout and sell-in. So do you think that will impact your results for the quarter as well?

Breno Pires de Oliveira

executive
#35

Fred, about own brands, this is a movement that we see retailers trying to make for a long time, especially starting with personal care, and now we see some categories of medication. From our point of view, in the medication category, it's much more difficult to do that. First, because the cheaper option already exists for consumers, which are the generics. So I think retailers will not have the competitive advantage in comparison to that. You see a slight increase in vitamins, but we don't see that, that will be significant. It started many years ago, and it hasn't really become significant as it could be. Abroad, you see this clearly, for example, in the United States. But there's a difference because they don't have the engineering market there. They have brand or reference market, which have a media behind them. And they have own store brands, which basically cannot be done and result in the same way as done in the U.S. because they basically copy. They have the same packaging as the reference product, and the law does not allow for that here in Brazil. So we're looking at that. We've been analyzing it, but we don't believe it will change how the market behaves radically. We're used to competing with generic versions of our products. We have our own generic lines. And we compete in price, but we don't think that retailers have a price advantage because we know that medication is more complex, it's better regulated. Even these suppliers don't really have a competitive advantage in terms of price. To answer your second question, I think the second -- or excuse me, the third quarter will really depend on how sellout develops during the second quarter. We are expecting mid-single-digit growth in sellout. And if it's higher than that, we don't think it will have a major impact on our performance.

Operator

operator
#36

We now turn the floor to Mr. Breno for his closing remarks.

Breno Pires de Oliveira

executive
#37

Thank you for listening in, everyone. I apologize for the connection issues we've had, and we are still open. If anything was not made clear, especially because of the connection, we're open for further questions. Adalmario and I and the Investor Relations team can answer any questions on the results we discussed today. Thank you, and we wish you all great health.

Operator

operator
#38

This concludes Hypera Pharma's conference call. Please disconnect. [Statements in English on this transcript were spoken by an interpreter present on the live call.]

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