IMCD N.V. (IMCD) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

November 5, 2026

ENXTAM NL Industrials Trading Companies and Distributors earnings 47 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Hello. Welcome to IMCD's 2026 First 9 Months Results Conference Call hosted by Marcus Jordan, CEO; and Hans Kooijmans, CFO. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to give the floor to Marcus Jordan. Mr. Jordan, please go ahead.

Marcus Jordan

executive
#2

Thank you, Alba. Good morning to you all, and a warm welcome. I'm Marcus Jordan, and I'm here today with our CFO, Hans Kooijmans, for the 2026 first 9 months results, which we published in a press release earlier this morning. Before we move on to discuss the results, I would like to take this opportunity to note that this is a very special call as not only is this the last earnings call with Hans, who will retire at the end of this year, but it is also Hans' 50th earnings call. I think we all agree this is quite a remarkable milestone. As announced in December last year, Hans will be succeeded by Floris Lagerwerf, and I would like to take this opportunity to thank Hans very much for the smooth transition this year, and I'm looking forward to working even more closely together with Floris going forward. Now moving on to the first 9 months results, we have had a good year so far with both gross profit and EBITA organic growth and a strong cash conversion. When looking at the overall business, I'm proud of how our teams have navigated through the dynamic environment and focused on the commercial and operational topics, which we can control with the primary aim of getting even closer to our customers and suppliers. It is clear that our partners need us now more than ever, and we need this from a customer perspective in, for example, the amount of formulatory projects we see going through our technical centers or laboratories, and the resulting opportunity pipeline that is developed and converted. Customers also continue to order just-in-time, and it is our job to ensure that we have the right inventory in place to fulfill these requirements. On the supplier side, we continue to focus on delivering what we promised in terms of business simplification, market intelligence, formulatory expertise and growth. As I mentioned on our last call, we also have a healthy pipeline of new supplier projects and some nice wins coming to fruition. Regarding our suppliers, as we also spoke about on the last call, we saw in the second quarter of this year, the majority of our suppliers implementing price increases. The magnitude of these price increases varied significantly with the larger specialty part of the portfolio generally receiving much lower percentage increases and showing less volatility than our smaller semi-specialty components. In the third quarter, whilst there was still some price movement, it has generally been much more stable with, I would say, more normal pricing behavior. This more stable message is also applicable from a demand perspective, and we haven't seen any real difference in terms of ordering frequency. When looking across our various markets, our Pharmaceutical, and Food & Nutrition segments continue to show resilience and are performing well. In Beauty & Personal Care, we generally see stable to increasing demand versus last year. This is an area that we continue to focus on as there are good opportunities with the technical capabilities and lab infrastructure we have. This market also has some nice positive trends like K-Beauty in Korea, an area in which we did 2 acquisitions recently being YCAM, which we closed last year, and Dang Yong FT, which we closed in January this year. On the industrial side, the best way to describe our business in the first 9 months is positive with some bright pockets in areas such as medical plastics, lubricants and wire and cable for data centers. Moving on to the 2026 first 9 months numbers. You will find a summary of our financial results on Slide 4, where we reported gross profit of EUR 991 million, up 9% on a constant currency basis. EBITA was up to EUR 425 million, which is plus 11% on a constant currency basis. And our free cash flow stood at EUR 317 million, leading to a cash conversion margin of 73%, which illustrates our close attention to working capital management and at the same time, as I mentioned earlier, ensuring that we have the right inventory in place to service our customers. In these unpredictable times, it is even more important that we have the highest level of sales activity that we quickly adapt to changing market conditions and that we remain a reliable partner for both customers and suppliers. We will continue to focus on the things that we can control and are committed to delivering long-term growth for our partners and stakeholders in the years ahead. Looking forward, it is still early in the fourth quarter, but I can say that we have had a promising start to the quarter. And as you can read in the outlook we have published this morning in our press release, we expect organic operating EBITA growth this year. To summarize and to end my part of the introduction, I believe we have executed well in the first 9 months of the year, and I see good traction on the commercial, operational and digital excellence initiatives we have been focused on, including continued supply development and expansion. I would now like to hand over to our CFO, Hans Kooijmans, who will give you an update on the numbers.

Hans Kooijmans

executive
#3

Thanks for your kind word, Marcus, and good morning, ladies and gentlemen. And you are right. This is indeed my 50th analyst call. And together with many other investor meetings and discussions I've had over the years, it has been a real, real pleasure to keep you updated on the developments of IMCD. And I'm particularly pleased that the tone of this call as well as that of our other more recent calls is considerably more positive than it was about 1.5 years ago. And this change in tone is not just a matter of sentiment as it's clearly reflected in the figures presented on Page 6 of today's analyst call presentation. Taken together, these developments show a clear and also a positive trend, underscoring the resilience of IMCD's business model and confirming that we are moving in the right direction to once again have a strong foundation for sustainable organic growth in the years ahead. And as you can see on Page 6, the ForEx adjusted revenue and gross profit both increased with respectively, 10% and 9%, compared to last year. And this 9% organic gross profit growth, that was a combination of 4% organic and 5% the positive impact of the first-time inclusion of acquisitions. These recently acquired companies had on average a slightly lower gross profit margin than those of IMCD. And as a consequence, the average gross profit margin of the total group slightly dropped to 25%. But if you would normalize for the impact of these recent acquisitions, the gross profit percentage in 2026 would have been slightly higher than the 25.2% in the first 9 months of last year. If you look at the organic gross profit growth development in the first 3 quarters, you might remember that IMCD reported a minus 4% organic in Q1, then a plus 7% in Q2 and in this quarter, a plus 10% organic growth. And all in all, a positive trend through the year. And this organic gross profit growth, combined with the strict cost control, resulted in a similar type of outcome for operating EBITA. And the reported 11% ForEx adjusted increase to EUR 425 million was a result of 5% organic and 6% M&A-related growth. Organic EBITA growth in the third quarter was, as Marcus mentioned, 14%, whereby all segments reported organic EBITA growth. The year-to-date conversion margin slightly improved with 0.4 percent points to 42.9%, and we further report a very healthy free cash flow of EUR 317 million. And I will come back on the cash flow in a later slide. The net result and as a consequence, also the earnings per share that both increased with 20% ForEx adjusted. And the increase of cash earnings per share in absolute numbers of EUR 0.57 was slightly higher than the EUR 0.52 of earnings per share increase. All in all, solid growth numbers. Compared to September 2025, the number of full-time employees slightly decreased but you should take into account that in the year-to-date 2026 numbers that, that includes an additional 150 new employees as a result of the acquisitions that we did in the last 12 months. Then on the next page, Slide 7, you will find a summary of a few key figures split into the regional operating segments. You can see a very crowded slide with a lot of numbers. And I could imagine Floris and Tosca will change the format next year. Tosca is confirming for me that she will do. When looking at the different columns, it's clear that the result of EMEA and APAC are satisfactory, positive high single or even low double-digit organic growth on all lines, combined with high single-digit acquisition growth. And as a result of these healthy growth numbers, we were able to improve our EBITA margin and conversion ratio in both EMEA and APAC. The outcome in the Americas is disappointing, a very weak first quarter of 2026 with a minus 25% organic EBITA growth. You might remember that, that number could not be compensated with the 2 following quarters, whereby we reported modest organic gross profit and modest EBITA growth. This is definitely a segment which we are working hard on to improve. And in the column, holding companies, we report a slightly lower cost base compared to the same period of last year. Then on Page 8, a summary of IMCD's free cash flow. The absolute amount of free cash flow was EUR 33 million higher than last year, whereby the cash conversion ratio was 73%. And this is, to my opinion, an acceptable number for a third quarter with 6% organic top line growth. Higher operating EBITA was the main driver of the improvement. Working capital investment was more or less similar as last year whereby increased stock and debtor positions were the most important drivers of the investment. At the end of the quarter, we had a relatively high stock position to cater for the strong Q4 order book. The higher debtor positions were the result of strong sales in the quarter. We are confident that we will report at year-end a cash conversion ratio somewhere around the high 80% or a low 90% number. Then on Page 9, an update on net debt and leverage. Net debt at the end of September was close to EUR 1.5 billion, which is slightly lower than end of December. Reported leverage ratio, including the full year impact of acquisitions, as usual, was 2.6x EBITDA, which is similar to the leverage based on the definitions in our loan documentation. Then last but not least, on Page 10, you will find our outlook for 2026. And as Marcus already mentioned, you could read there that we expect organic operating EBITDA growth in this year. I would like to hand over to Alba, the operator, to open the lines for Q&A.

Operator

operator
#4

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from Anil Shenoy from Barclays.

Anil Shenoy

analyst
#5

First of all, many congratulations to Hans on the 50th earnings call. It's been a pleasure to work with you, and I wish you all the best for your future endeavors.

Hans Kooijmans

executive
#6

Thank you.

Anil Shenoy

analyst
#7

Just two questions from me. Yes. So two questions from me. The first one is on sort of like your medium- to long-term outlook on organic growth. Where I'm coming from is that in the last 5 years, organic growth has been really extreme, very high in '21, '22 and then moderating in the next 3 years. And before that, gross profit organic growth was around the 6% level. So going forward, over the medium to long term, is there any reason to believe -- has there been any change in the last 5 years to think that this gross profit number of 6% cannot be achieved or can be achieved? This is especially in context of your competitor who recently came up with, sort of, like a midterm target of -- mid- to high single digits on gross profit and high single digit on EBITA. So very keen to hear your thoughts on the mid- to long-term sort of organic growth. And the second question is on the M&A pipeline. Your leverage has clearly declined to now 2.6x from 2.8x at the end of 2025. So that gives you a significant runway for acquisitions. So how should we think about your acquisition strategy for the next 12 months? Is there going to be an acceleration now the leverage ratio is pretty much well below your target of 3x. So basically, the acquisitions, how the acquisitions are going to be in 9 months compared to the last 12 months?

Marcus Jordan

executive
#8

Anil, firstly, the first question with regards to the medium- to long-term organic growth. As you say, we've given guidance in the past of that number at around about 6% to 7% organic gross profit growth year-over-year. Of course, over a prolonged period, I think we're still very comfortable with stating that. If you look at the industry drivers, and we've spoken many times about things like consolidation, outsourcing, the rationalization by suppliers in terms of the number of distributors that they use. All of those, I would say, business fundamentals are very much intact. So we feel comfortable with the historical guidance that we've given. And of course, as the critical mass of the company grows and the business model basically benefits from scale. So we also have the ambition for the conversion margin to increase. On the mergers and acquisitions pipeline, we're very happy, I would say, to have the firepower that we now have with the ratio of the 2.6x. We've got, I would say, a healthy pipeline of projects. As I mentioned on the last call, some of those discussions are may be taking a bit longer than they would have done in the past. Super important for us, as we've always been to remain laser-focused on really only going after targets which we see a very good fit with, that we see as being able to accelerate the organic growth for the long-term future, not be in a rush to close deals. And yes, we're very optimistic, I would say, with the discussions that we have in place.

Operator

operator
#9

The follow-up question comes from Suhasini Varanasi from Goldman Sachs.

Suhasini Varanasi

analyst
#10

And I wish you all the best for the future, Hans. And just the trading, please. I just wanted to understand if you've seen growth in organic GP change materially over the course of the quarter or any changes that you saw in September, October? And how is the current state of the order book for the next 4 weeks, please? And secondly, on Americas, I just want to understand the growth momentum over there, please. It feels a little bit more lackluster compared to the other regions. Are there any difference in performance between the U.S. and LatAm, and any specific verticals that are dragging the business down there?

Marcus Jordan

executive
#11

Suhasini, firstly, on the organic GP growth and the order pattern, I would say nothing material to really state in terms of changes throughout the quarter. I think that I've said as much as I would like to say in terms of the outlook where we've again had a promising start to the fourth quarter. On the Americas growth momentum, as Hans previously mentioned, this is an area that we've been very open that we need to improve. Also, as I mentioned on the last call, we have recently strengthened the management team that we've got in place in there. I must say, I'm extremely pleased with the changes which we've made, and we're cautiously optimistic for the future in the region. I think if you also look at the performance of the region and you go back over the years, this is a region that has historically performed extremely well. And in many years, actually outperformed both the EMEA and the APAC region. So there's also a little bit of a comp topic to keep in mind there. And we have also mentioned in the past that particularly from a North America perspective, we've got a bit more industrial exposure and things like coatings and construction, where we have, in general, seen a bit of a weaker demand for the reasons that we know and LatAm being a bit more volatile in general. But again, I think particularly with the changes that we've made recently, we have quite some optimism for the future there.

Operator

operator
#12

The next question comes from Annelies Vermeulen from Morgan Stanley.

Annelies Vermeulen

analyst
#13

Hans, I have two questions, please. So just firstly on pricing. When we spoke at the H1, you said pricing has been strong in Q2, but had eased through the quarter. And I think earlier, you also said you've seen more normal pricing behavior in Q3. So could you -- but clearly, we've also had a lot of volatility in oil prices and input costs and so on through the quarter. So could you comment on what you've seen for pricing through Q3 and in particular, whether you think there's scope for that to pick up again perhaps as we move into Q4 and into next year? And then secondly, just on customer behavior. Again, Marcus, I think in your opening comments, you said you haven't seen any change in order frequency. So can we infer from that, that we're still seeing, sort of, more frequent orders and that hasn't changed. But I think, again, given the hopefully improving backdrop, do you think that, that will shift into next year? Or do you think actually this is the new norm in terms of customer behavior?

Marcus Jordan

executive
#14

Thank you, Annelies. On the pricing side, yes, it has really returned back to, I would say, more normal pricing behavior, where there's some suppliers that continue to push pricing up. But in general, it's been, I would say, much more stable. We don't yet know, of course, what the outlook is going forward. But as is normal in our business, there are some product lines which are under more pricing pressure than others. And it wouldn't surprise me with crude remaining at a relatively high price if suppliers do begin to also push some additional pricing through at the beginning of the new year. But let's wait and see. But yes, generally, I would say, more normal pricing behavior. On the customer behavior side, yes, I would say no real change from an order frequency or from a quantity perspective. As you know, we tend not to look at quantity too much being focused very much on the specialty side. What is clear, though, is that customers still require and request just-in-time deliveries. And I think that this may be for the longer-term future. I think that customers have also changed their behavior as they've come to rely upon us to be able to deliver that performance. And as a distributor, we actually like that because it is the job that we offer, and we see as part of their skill set.

Annelies Vermeulen

analyst
#15

Clear. And just as a follow-up to that, if -- as you say, more just-in-time deliveries and order frequency, does that have any sort of additional cost implications? Or actually, do you think the business is well set up for that now that you can manage that going forward?

Marcus Jordan

executive
#16

It's very well set up because of the global ERP platform that we've got. We've got instant visibility in terms of what our costs are. And so if logistic costs do change or if a customer does require a smaller quantity, obviously, per kilo or per gram, the relative freight cost goes up, we immediately identify that and pass that through.

Annelies Vermeulen

analyst
#17

Very clear. Thank you, Marcus. And Hans, all the -- wish you all the best and thanks for the engagement.

Hans Kooijmans

executive
#18

Thank you.

Operator

operator
#19

The next question comes from Matthew Yates from Bank of America.

Matthew Yates

analyst
#20

Sorry, it feels like it's been a long day already with so many results. Hans, again, I'll just echo statements of others. Thank you for your help over the years. A couple of questions, please. I'm sure you're aware that Azelis recently took a very large write-down as multiple deals they've done are not expected to meet their hurdle rates. I won't ask you to comment on other people's capital allocation. But from an IMCD perspective, can you just remind me the process internally you have for running impairment tests and whether there's any deals you've done in the past that perhaps need to have assumptions revisited? And going forward, are there any learnings to be made that may change the way that you screen targets or integrate them to ensure that the strategy does continue to accrue. I heard Marcus, his statement earlier about, sort of, the laser focus, but I'd just like to talk a little bit about the impairment process. And then the second question is, I guess, around headcount and costs, you suggested that the, sort of the, underlying headcount was down by about 150 this year. If you do believe we are now back to a sustainable kind of growth algorithm, how do we think about the cost and the headcount going forward? And maybe this touches on some of the digital initiatives you have. Do you still think there's opportunity there to drive more productivity that can help contribute to operating leverage in the future?

Hans Kooijmans

executive
#21

Marcus, I think, I should take the impairment one. Matthew, if you -- the process is pretty simple. If there is a triggering event, you need to take immediate action. And internally, we have a bit of a formal process that for sure, every quarter, and we have that discussion internally. And then once a year, we do a more formal process whereby we, on the one hand, ask the input for what are the parameters that you should use for impairment testing. And on the other hand, as base input, we use the estimate for this year, the budget for next year, the 2 planned years ahead and what we call the terminal growth rates. And we are in the middle of that process now based on preliminary results. I think it's fair to say that we don't expect any impairments there. I think if you look at our behavior over the years, when you look at the parameters that we use and the most important one are the pretax WACC, the terminal growth rates. I think we take a much more conservative approach there than most of our peers in the industry. And that also indicates that we are a bit more robust there. And at the same time, but that's more difficult to judge, Marcus has already mentioned, we are pretty disciplined when calculating purchase prices and very prudent in our valuation there. And that certainly also helps to avoid big impairment tests. And so let's see how it develops, but I'm pretty positive. And then your question about individual companies. Looking back on the performance of the companies that we acquired, I think it's fair to say that there's always a bit of volatility between expectations and real outcome. But net-net, I think the outcome is pretty positive. And that's also one of the other reasons that you don't see impairment issues on our side. On the cost side, Marcus, is that something you want to take?

Marcus Jordan

executive
#22

Yes.

Hans Kooijmans

executive
#23

I think, it is going forward.

Marcus Jordan

executive
#24

Yes. Matthew, if I look at the headcount and costs going forward, I would say when we look at what we're doing there, certainly, I would say, short term is where we're still being very cautious in general about adding additional headcount. But at the same time, making sure that we really invest in everything that we're doing from a commercial excellence perspective. So really driving sales activity, making sure that we are in front of the customers as much as we can and therefore, not being afraid to invest in, let's say, the frontline commercial teams, whether they be out on the road or from an inside sales perspective. Of course, we're heavily investing also from an AI perspective to look at how can we improve operational excellence, how can we improve customer service. And again, that's driven primarily at the moment, how can we become even more effective. Efficiency gains we do expect, but I think that will come more from a longer-term perspective.

Operator

operator
#25

The next question comes from Nicole Manion from UBS.

Nicole Manion

analyst
#26

Congratulations and all the best to you, Hans. Two questions, please. Firstly, just to go back to Americas, you've obviously talked about the weaker performance and the changes you've made there to management. Do you think there's more investment required into the business there heading into next year? How do you think about that? Or kind of what areas are you still, sort of, looking at to upgrade? And then secondly, you talked in Q2 about gaining some share in semi specialties as Asian supply became less secure in some markets. Is this something that you've continued to see in Q3? Is that still impacting performance? Or has there been any sort of, I guess, normalization there?

Marcus Jordan

executive
#27

Thank you, Nicole. If you look at the Americas side, I wouldn't say that there's anything specific in terms of additional investments required. It's really about, I would say, strengthening what we're doing from a commercial excellence perspective. And I'm sorry, but I don't really recognize the question on the semi specialties side. It is a component of our business, but it's relative to the whole portfolio, quite small. It is an important section. But like everything that we do, we're looking at the whole portfolio across each of the business lines and units, looking at how do we fill product portfolio gaps. And that's both from a specialty and also the semi-specialty perspective. But I would say nothing specific to report from the semi-specialty side. Does that answer your question or?

Nicole Manion

analyst
#28

Yes. Sorry, maybe I can just put it a bit differently. I think there was a bit of a comment in Q2 that maybe some of the Asian supply have become a little bit less secure and that kind of situation, sort of, temporarily abated, but maybe you expected some of that kind of Asian competitive pressure to, sort of, come back at some point. I'm just wondering if you've still seen that. Yes.

Marcus Jordan

executive
#29

Yes. I mean, I would say it's a little bit, again, that word of stable where we haven't seen a lot of change between Q2 and Q3. So China competition is definitely there, but I wouldn't say that there's been a significant change between the 2 quarters.

Nicole Manion

analyst
#30

Yes. Got it. That does help.

Operator

operator
#31

The following question comes from Luuk Van Beek from Degroof Petercam.

Luuk Van Beek

analyst
#32

First, a question on Asia Pacific, where you had quite a strong performance. Was there anything specific there that drove that performance? And secondly, your operating costs were a bit higher. I can imagine that there was also an impact from bonus accruals. Can you comment on the factors driving the costs in Q3?

Marcus Jordan

executive
#33

Thank you, Luuk. Yes, when we look across APAC, I would say that it's been on a country-by-country perspective, a fairly consistent strong performance. So I wouldn't say that there's anything specific that I would call out there other than generally. I would say, very good performance by the IMCD teams on the commercial excellence and operational excellence side. And yes, I would say good execution and a good demand. And on the bonus accrual side, I think, Hans, it's fair to say that, yes, from a cost perspective, we like to reward our people when there is good performance. So I think you would see a difference there between last year and this.

Luuk Van Beek

analyst
#34

Okay. Can you give any indication of the impact?

Hans Kooijmans

executive
#35

Yes. That is difficult, Luuk. But we are not talking substantial numbers. If you look at the own cost increase, that we have reported year-to-date, I think net-net, it is a very low single-digit number. And that is also reflected in the fact that our conversion margin is improving in the year-to-date and also in the quarter compared to last year. It has an impact. And typically what you see with your bonus pool, it starts building up during the year. And last year, because of the disappointing outcome we had during the year here and there releases. And that difference is something that we need to make good additional margin, and we hope it.

Operator

operator
#36

The following question comes from David Symonds from BNP Paribas.

David Symonds

analyst
#37

I think just one for me, please. It was on the pharma business. I might be being too sensitive to wording here, but it sounds like pharma has gone from green shoots to now being resilient. And if I look at the APAC performance in Q3, there's a similar organic growth to Q2 at the top line, but a much stronger organic growth admittedly against a weak comp as we move down the P&L into gross profit and EBITA. So could I ask you about the developments in the pharma business, maybe specifically Signet in India and how things are changing there?

Marcus Jordan

executive
#38

As I think you know, David, pharma is one of the most consistent market segments that we have in terms of performance and growth. I would say we had a little bit of a bumpy ride, if you recall, at the end of last year because of tariffs. And so there was a bit of a negative impact there during Q4, if I recall correctly. It's fair to say that the pharma business has returned back to its normal level of performance. And we're happy with, let's say, the more traditional growth that we're used to during the course of this year. And that includes, of course, the Signet business.

David Symonds

analyst
#39

That's clear. Thank you and best luck for the future, Hans.

Operator

operator
#40

The next question comes from Quirijn Mulder from ING.

Quirijn Mulder

analyst
#41

Yes, Hans, first of all, thank you for the service. I have never met a CFO who was so consistent as you are. So thanks a lot for everything, for the last 10 years. My question is especially with regard to the U.S., the discussion we had about the coast-to-coast story. How is that progressing? And when can we see the first benefits of that taking place? Because U.S. is still -- it's positive on EBITA and on gross profit, but it is not yet very strong. And maybe some more elaboration on Latin America, how the developments are there? That were my questions.

Marcus Jordan

executive
#42

Thank you, Quirijn. Yes, I mean, it's, of course, not possible for you to see, but the developments of the coast-to-coast are already beginning to show to us in terms of the number of suppliers, which we are really representing now coast-to-coast. It's quite significantly increasing. As I think, I've also mentioned before, in some instances, that means that we need to part ways with some suppliers, which maybe are not willing or it's not a good strategic fit for us to work with us coast-to-coast. There can also sometimes be a little bit of a timing impact there. And you could imagine that could be the case at the moment in 1 or 2 cases. But yes, in general, we're pleased with the traction that we've got of that coast-to-coast model. Difficult for me to say exactly when those numbers will begin to come through. But behind the scenes, we're working hard on that. The traction is good, and I'm optimistic for the future.

Quirijn Mulder

analyst
#43

And about Latin America?

Marcus Jordan

executive
#44

What was the question on the Latin America? I'm sorry, Quirijn.

Quirijn Mulder

analyst
#45

Yes. So how do you see, let me say, the competitive environment? Is that returning? Let me say, the Chinese were quite aggressive selling products in Latin America last year. So how is that situation there? Is it -- has it improved? Or is it still, let me say, that the Chinese are returning now with somewhat more slowdown of the impact of the Strait of Hormuz?

Marcus Jordan

executive
#46

Yes. As I mentioned to Nicole before, we haven't seen a dramatic change there between Q2 and Q3. So it's fair to say, of course, that there is Chinese competition. But I would say not a dramatic change between the last 2 quarters.

Operator

operator
#47

The next question comes from David Kerstens from Jefferies.

David Kerstens

analyst
#48

Hans, first of all, thank you for all your help over the years and all the best for your retirement.

Hans Kooijmans

executive
#49

Thank you.

David Kerstens

analyst
#50

The relatively low momentum in EMEA in the third quarter, is that mainly against a tougher comp? I think you indicated that in the second quarter, the 10% was mainly driven by mandate wins. And I was wondering how did mandate wins develop in the third quarter? And secondly, with more normal pricing, does that mean that you also see prices coming down from recent highs? I think, Hans, you explained in the past that you've never seen prices come down over the last 30 years. How does that look this year?

Marcus Jordan

executive
#51

Thank you for the questions. The EMEA performance, again, I would say, in general, that is driven by good performance across most of the countries. And there have been mandate wins amongst that, but it's by no means, I would say, the dominating effect there. It's really a combination of different topics. And on the normal pricing, I think what I wasn't referring to there is pricing coming down. What I was meaning there is that, we're not seeing dramatic swings in pricing and also the fact that particularly on the specialty portfolio, pricing is remaining robust. It's fair to say we haven't seen price reductions in general, particularly during the last couple of quarters. And that normal pricing behavior is more around, I would say, stability and also with some product lines going upwards still. But it's really product-by-product as opposed to a general movement.

Operator

operator
#52

The final question comes from Eric Wilmer from Van Lanschot Kempen.

Eric Wilmer

analyst
#53

I think you highlighted a strong start to the quarter. Would you say this reflects what you saw in Q3 from regional and sector perspective? Or are you seeing other regions or sectors that are potentially picking up that had been a bit softer until recently? Maybe on M&A, given that product pricing appears to be normalizing, like you mentioned, can you comment on your potential targets' willingness to look through perhaps part of this year, particularly a strong Q2. I can imagine that, that is setting for potential targets to extrapolate a strong Q2 and possibly Q3? Final question, I know it's still early days, but given what's happened 2 days ago in the U.S., what could something like this to the business sentiment? I think it's a broad question, but the reason I'm asking is that tariff uncertainty has been one of the main drivers that has been so often mentioned behind weak business confidence in particular, Europe.

Marcus Jordan

executive
#54

Okay. I would say in terms of the start to the fourth quarter, as we said, it's a promising start. I wouldn't say that there's any particular market or country changes versus what we've had in the second quarter there in terms of performance. So nothing material to state there. On the M&A target side, as Hans was mentioning, we really do a very thorough due diligence as we go through really assessing the fit of a potential target and are very cautious in terms of what is the profitability of that company today and what do we believe that it will be in the future. As you know, we've protected ourselves in the past and continue to do so with some mechanisms there if we have a difference of opinion versus the seller in terms of what the future holds. So I would say that we continue to monitor, track and have discussions with M&A targets in the same way that we have in the past. But as you mentioned, with a cautious mindset in terms of what is the profitability going forward. On the election impact, yes, very difficult to tell at this time. But I think what we do very well as a company is let's focus on the things that we can control and things like that commercial and operational excellence, keeping the flexibility, the agility. I feel that, that asset-light business model really helps us there. But with a very active sales and commercial team looking at every opportunity that we can take, that's basically all that we can do. We don't have an impact on what's happening from a tariff perspective, but I think keep our eyes and ears very open and adjust and adapt as and when we need to.

Eric Wilmer

analyst
#55

That's helpful. And Hans, congrats on the big milestone and a big thanks for the very pleasant cooperation.

Hans Kooijmans

executive
#56

Yes. Thank you, Eric. And but before Marcus will close, I would like to take this opportunity also to thank you all, to thank you all for the continued interest in IMCD, for all your nice questions, for your feedback and above all, for the constructive dialogue we have had over the years. It has always been a pleasure to engage with you. And I would like to wish Floris for his every success as he takes over from me. And most of you know him well by now, and I have great, great confidence that he will continue to build on the relationships that we have established together. And finally, looking ahead, I believe IMCD is excellent positioned to seize the opportunities before us. And as you know, we have built a resilient business model. We have established a very strong team and also we regained commercial momentum. And there is still a lot of potential to unlock, and I'm confident that IMCD has the right foundations, the right people and also the right strategy to deliver sustainable and profitable growth in the years to come. A big thank you to you all, and back to Marcus.

Marcus Jordan

executive
#57

Thank you very much, Hans, for all of these calls over the years. It's been a real pleasure and a privilege for me to host some of them together with you. Thank you for your amazing contribution, your insights, and the great collaboration along the way. And to everybody on the call, thank you all for joining this morning and for your questions, and have a good remainder of the day. Thank you very much.

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