India Pesticides Limited (IPL) Earnings Call Transcript & Summary

August 11, 2025

NSEI IN Materials Chemicals earnings 54 min

Earnings Call Speaker Segments

Operator

operator
#1

Ladies and gentlemen, good day, and welcome to India Pesticides Q1 FY '26 Earnings Conference Call hosted by Dolat Capital Markets Private Limited. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I now hand the conference over to Mr. Viral Shah from Dolat Capital. Thank you, and please go ahead, sir.

Viral Shah

analyst
#2

Yes. Thank you, [Harshi]. Good afternoon, everyone. On behalf of Dolat Capital, I would like to thank the management of India Pesticides Limited for giving us the opportunity to host their Q1 FY '26 Earnings Conference Call. From the management team, we have with us Mr. Vishwas Swarup, Non-Executive Director; Mr. D.K. Jain, Chief Executive Officer; and Mr. S.P. Gupta, Chief Financial Officer. Without further ado, I would like to hand over the call to the management for their opening remarks, post which we'll open the forum for the Q&A session. Thank you, and over to you, sir.

Vishwas Agarwal

executive
#3

Thank you, Mr. Shah. This is Vishwas Swarup Agarwal. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Season's greetings. I hope you and your family are staying safe and healthy. I take the pleasure of welcoming you all for the Q1 FY '26 Earnings Conference Call of India Pesticides. I hope you all had the chance to look at the financial statements and earnings presentation uploaded on the exchanges and our website. As we commenced FY '26, the agrochemical industry continued to operate within a complex and evolving global landscape. Despite headwinds in international markets, India Pesticides Limited demonstrated resilience and delivered a strong performance across operational, strategic and financial parameters. This performance underscores our focus on long-term value creation through manufacturing scale-up, targeted R&D initiatives and emphasis on a differentiated product portfolio. During the quarter, the company achieved its revenue of INR 282 crores, reflecting a growth of 25.8% year-on-year. This growth was primarily volume led supported by sustained demand in the domestic and strategic product mix catering to both domestic and international customers. One of the key milestones was the successful commissioning of the expanded intermediate PEDA facility. This enhancement strengthens our manufacturing capabilities and reinforces our ability to meet rising demand of Pretilachlor Technical. Looking ahead, the company is on track to expand capacity to 8,500 metric tons per annum by Q2 FY '26, which aligns with our long-term growth plan and supports the government of India's Aatma Nirbhar Bharat initiative. Additionally, the formulation capacity has been successfully augmented by 3,500 MT per annum. Our R&D efforts have gathered momentum, resulting in the development of several new molecules. India Pesticides Limited is increasingly recognized as a trusted partner by both domestic and global players, with all major Indian companies sourcing one or more key molecules from us. Our expansion plans remain firmly on track. During '25- '26, we intend to undertake capital expenditure of INR 52 crores at our existing manufacturing facilities and INR 64 crores at our wholly-owned subsidiary, Shalvis Specialties Limited. As we look ahead in FY '25, '26, the company remains a committed -- company remains committed to executing its strategic priorities and accelerating its growth trajectory. With balanced product portfolio, Strong demand, domestic positioning, expanding manufacturing capacity and advancing R&D capabilities, we are well placed to capitalize on emerging opportunities and navigate the evolving dynamics of the global agrochemical landscape. We are optimistic about the long-term prospects of our company and remain committed to delivering sustainable value to our stakeholders. Now I will hand over further presentation to Mr. D.K. Jain. Thank you.

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#4

Thank you, Vishwas ji. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I take this pleasure of welcoming you all for the Q1 FY '26 earnings conference of India Pesticides. Let me begin with a brief update on industry dynamics. The global agrochemical market is showing early signs of recovery, driven by a revival and demand and gradual improvement in prices. Inventory levels across distribution channels have largely normalized and raw material prices remain stable. Overall, we see signals of positive global tailwinds, and we expect this trend to continue through FY '26. Our revenue for this quarter, as already stated, is at INR 282 crores, which is 25.8% more Y-o-Y and 34% more Q-on-Q. This performance reflects both healthy market conditions and the success of our execution strategy. During the quarter, we undertook several key initiatives to strengthen our operational capabilities. Number one, commissioned the expanded PEDA, intermediate facility, increasing the capacity from 2,000 tonnes to 6,000 tonnes per annum with a further scale up to 8,500 metric tonne per annum on track for Q2 FY '26. This expansion enhances supply chain efficiency and provides a cost advantage. Successfully commissioned the expansion of our formulation plant, adding 3,500 metric tonne per annum of capacity. We continue to reinforce our position as one of the leading producers of India's top-selling rice herbicides and their key intermediates. We continue our focus on innovation and premiumization, yielded positive results, driving an improvement in gross margins. We constantly prioritized value over volume, reflecting our long-term strategy of sustainable profitable growth. This disciplined approach also led us to an improvement of -- in ROCE to 18.3% from 14% of a direct outcome of better product mix and efficient capital allocation. For the year 2026 and onwards, number of product launches are in pipeline. There are almost 2 -- there are 2 products in IPL and 3 products in Shalvis are lined up for launches this year -- next year. These launches will further diversify our portfolio, enhance market reach and strengthen our position in high-value segments. I would like to highlight our expansion plans for FY '26. We have earmarked the capital expenditure of approximately INR 116 crores for this year. INR 52 crores for the existing site and INR 64 crores for Hamirpur site. The majority of this investment will be directed towards capacity expansion and new product additions, which we expect will further accelerate our growth momentum. Our R&D capabilities forms the backbone of our manufacturing strength with in-house laboratory infrastructure, including file plant and formulation facilities equipped with advanced analytical instruments. We have the capability to develop, scale up and manufacture differentiated technologies with precision. This innovation driven approach not only strengthens our product pipeline, but also reinforces our self-reliant manufacturing model in line with the Make-in-India vision. Looking ahead, we remain optimistic on the back of improving export demand, while stable input costs provide a supportive macro backdrop. Internally, our growth momentum will be supported by progress on a strong new product pipeline, expansion of our premium offerings and continuous improvement in operational efficiency. Our strategic framework remains consistent, profitable growth, self-reliant manufacturing, continuous innovation and a focus on delivering long-term stakeholder value. With a fully integrated foundation and disciplined execution, we are confident of sustaining this growth trajectory through FY '26 and beyond. Thank you for your support and partnership. I now invite our CFO, Mr. S.P Gupta, to walk through you the financial details on this quarter. Thank you. S.P. Gupta ji?

Satya Gupta

executive
#5

Thank you, sir. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and thank you for joining the India Pesticide conference call to discuss Q1 FY '26 results. Taking you through the financial highlights for the quarter. Total revenue for Q1 FY '26 was INR 282 crores as compared to INR 224 crores in Q1 FY '25, an increase of 25.8% by Y-o-Y. We registered an EBITDA of INR 52 crores, an increase of 62.6% as compared with the same period -- same quarter last year. EBITDA margin stood at 18.4% in Q1 FY '26, expanding 4.17% Y-o-Y. This is in line with our projections for the year. Net profit for the quarter stood at INR 35 crore, an increase of 79.2% Y-o-Y, with PAT margin of 12.3%, expanded 3.6% Y-o-Y. On geographical split in Q1 FY '26, our revenue from export stood at INR 87 crores as compared to INR 77 crores in Q1 FY '25. And domestic revenue stood at INR 188 crores as compared to INR 143 crores in Q1 FY '25. We saw an increased revenue on all the fronts. Revenue from technicals and formulations stood at INR 194 crores and INR 81 crores, respectively for the quarter. There has been a robust increase in Herbicide business during the quarter. INR 116 crores of CapEx has been planned for FY '26 for both India Pesticide Limited and 100% subsidiary Shalvis Specialties Limited. India Pesticide Limited has its strong balance sheet with the ability to generate good free cash flow. Company is planning to fuel its CapEx plan primarily with internal accruals. CapEx will help company to continuous growth trajectory, both in top line and bottom line. With this, we would be happy to take your questions. Thank you.

Operator

operator
#6

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from the line of Mr. Ankit from Adezi Ventures Family Office.

Ankit Minocha

analyst
#7

Congratulations on a good set of numbers. I firstly wanted to understand what is the outlook that you have for revenue growth and for EBITDA margins for FY '25 and '26? And what gives you the confidence with regard to utilizing all these additional capacities that are coming on board?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#8

Sir, the revenue target, what we have fixed is INR 1,000 crores for FY '26 with the margin between 18% to 20%. And even this quarter also, we have achieved an 18.4% margin, which is in line with our expectations. And we are expanding the capacity of our intermediate plant, and we are going to put one more block. So that also utilization would be more than 70% of our capacities.

Ankit Minocha

analyst
#9

And what gives you the -- just a continuation of the question, but what gives you the confidence of the utilization of these additional capacities?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#10

No, confidence level is a very good, sir, because we know we -- whatever products we are making, we normally have some arrangements in advance. So as soon as we start manufacturing, we can immediately market it. So there should not be any problem. The normal capacity utilization of around 70%, we should be able to achieve.

Ankit Minocha

analyst
#11

Understood. And I also saw that you have 32% of your revenues from exports. So what percentage of your revenues have the potential to be impacted by these U.S. tariffs that have been announced on India?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#12

U.S. tariff, they will not be substantial on our products because the tariffs whatever has been declared by the U.S. administration, India and China both are in the similar range. And these are the 2 major countries who are exporting the agrochemicals to U.S. So we don't see any impact on our products from U.S. tariffs.

Vishwas Agarwal

executive
#13

Just to add we are exporting just 3% to 4% of our turnover to U.S. tariffs only 3% to 4%.

Ankit Minocha

analyst
#14

3% to 4%, okay. And...

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#15

That too they are very niche product.

Ankit Minocha

analyst
#16

Okay. And finally, I believe you saw pricing growth of 8% last quarter. So I just wanted to understand, was there any ForEx contribution in this pricing growth as well? And secondly, if it was 8% last quarter, how does the pricing look for this quarter versus year-on-year?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#17

The pricing looks more or less stable now because raw material prices have more or less stabilized. So we think that it should continue in a similar way. And foreign exchange, some impact would be certainly there because of the conversion ratios between rupee and dollar.

Ankit Minocha

analyst
#18

Okay. Okay. And finally, I mean, if I was to look at your revenue growth. I mean your Indian revenue growth in the Indian market has been very, very strong, I believe. So what is the primary reason? What has been -- what has caused this kind of very good revenue growth in the domestic market?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#19

We have increased our Herbicide capacity. And this quarter is basically Herbicide is being used. So there was a good demand for Herbicides this quarter from India.

Ankit Minocha

analyst
#20

And is this the first quarter where in you've seen the impact of this increased capacity?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#21

Yes. This increased capacity, part of the increased capital was operationalized in the last week of April. So we have utilized partial capacity of this increased capacity.

Operator

operator
#22

The next question is from the line of Mr. Dhwanil Desai from Turtle Capital.

Dhwanil Desai

analyst
#23

Congratulations for good set of numbers. Sir, my first question is with respect to this antidumping duty on Pretilachlor, have we seen the full benefit in terms of pricing because of that? And also this growth on the domestic side, is it driven by the increased volume in Pretilachlor, if you can talk a bit about that.

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#24

Yes. Pretilachlor, volumes have really helped us in this quarter because this is the main season for Pretilachlor, because it goes in rice paddy sowing. So this was the main season and Pretilachlor sales were good. With this anti-dumping duty, the prices have slightly normalized. Otherwise, last year, we were losing money on Pretilachlor, but now we are getting a reasonable margin in this.

Dhwanil Desai

analyst
#25

Okay. So that pricing effect has already come in, in terms of -- Okay. And we are increasing this capacity for PEDA from 2,000 to 6,000. So how do we see the incremental ramp-up in Pretilachlor, in terms of overall market share in Indian market? Because other than us, I don't see any major Indian players in this molecule. So what kind of volume we can do this year, if you can talk a bit that.

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#26

See, sir, presently, we have capacity of about 6,000 tonnes of PEDA, which is further being augmented to 8,500 tonnes. This will be ready by September, October. And we should be able to meet substantial demand of Indian requirement. Because up till now, it has been now largely imported. So we feel that the Indian customers will get our own product from us. So we should be able to meet at least 70% of -- more than 70% of the Indian requirement we should be able to fulfill.

Dhwanil Desai

analyst
#27

Okay. Okay. But that asset sorry...

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#28

Yes, about...

Dhwanil Desai

analyst
#29

No sir, that, essentially, this new capacity will come on stream in Q2. So by that time, the season will largely be over, right? So the full benefit of this will get reflected in next year. Is that the right way to look, the 70% number that you are seeing?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#30

This intermediate sales, it starts from November, December itself because people, they buy to this intermediate and then they convert it to Pretilachlor, and then they pack it and sell it and reach the market. So normally, it starts in November, December also. So we should be able to market part of the product from November itself.

Dhwanil Desai

analyst
#31

Okay. Sir, question, you're talking about overall agriculture environment for technicals is kind of getting better, just in terms of demand. So if you can give us some sense about our base business like Captan, Folpet, Prosulfocarb how is the demand outlook and pricing scenario in some of these products?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#32

The demand for other products, for example, our fungicides like, Captan, Folpet, that is also increasing because India is growing at almost 9% to 10% per year. So in line with that, our product demand is also growing. And especially Folpet, there is some export demand is also coming up because of the banning of some of the products, Folpet Finding is finding as a replacement use. And even in Prosulfocarb, this year, we have seen reasonably good demand, and we feel that it should -- it will continue. Pricing wise, there is some pricing pressure on Prosulfocarb. But we have optimized our process further to reduce our overall cost of production.

Dhwanil Desai

analyst
#33

Okay. Got it. One last question, and I'll come back in the queue. So sir, last year, we did very well on the formulations side, almost, INR 185 crores, INR 190 crore revenue went to INR 280 crores. So on top of such a high base, do we expect 15% kind of a growth? And if so, what will drive the growth on the Formulation side?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#34

Formulation side. Formulation also will grow accordingly, sir. As our basket of products are increasing, so is our basket of Formulation also increases, number one. And we are increasing our reach to other parts of India where we are not present as on today. And number three, we are getting some bulk formulation orders from our overseas customers. So the formulation growth also will be in line with our Technical growth. As we are making more technical, sir. So the demand for bulk formulation on those technicals will also grow.

Unknown Executive

executive
#35

Yes, are increasing. Yes.

Operator

operator
#36

The next question is from the line of Mr. Ananth Shenoy from AS Capital.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#37

My first question is on the Formulation sales, which were flat in Q1, like INR 78 crores to INR 80 crores. This is despite good monsoons. So like what is the reason for that? And on INR 285 crore base of last year, do you expect growth in the remainder part of the year for the Formulation?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#38

Yes, formulation growth in July, there has been substantial growth, actually, because it's slightly delayed. That is why it has come up, but now it is going out very well.

Satya Gupta

executive
#39

Sir, the basic consumption starts from June end -- the product consumption starts from June end. So there was a delay in monsoon for few days. So it started around 10th and 15th of July.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#40

So from Q2 onwards, we'll see formulation growth also?

Satya Gupta

executive
#41

Yes, you will see growth in Q2 also Q3 and Q4.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#42

Okay. Okay. So second question is on the export order book, like how is the export order book Y-o-Y, do you see -- is there any growth in the export order book for us?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#43

Export order book is also growing, sir. That is true. When compared to last year, our export order book is relatively much better. We have orders for our major products like Prosulfocarb as well as for Folpet as well as for Captan, we have got very good export orders.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#44

Okay. So can you quantify like what -- like how much percent export order book is higher?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#45

Percentage, we have to calculate because as we don't have the number readily, we will tell you. Please again, we will -- I will communicate with you.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#46

Okay, sir. And lastly, on the Pretilachlor side, in the Q1, what was the sales of Pretilachlor?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#47

What was the...

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#48

What was the sales of Pretilachlor in Q1?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#49

Q1 it's around INR 55 crores.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#50

INR 55 crores. Okay. And other key products like Captan and Folpet, how is the pricing, is it stable? Or like has it gone up?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#51

Pricing now is stable, more or less.

Satya Gupta

executive
#52

Pricing is stable, but in where it in [euro-denominated] prices, there is some gain on account of foreign exchange depreciation.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#53

Okay. And the last question. In the last call, you had mentioned about 3 to 4 products in -- 2 products in Europe and 1 or 2 products in U.S. that we got approvals last year. So have the products have started for this -- have the sales started for these products? And if so, like can you name the products and what sales you'll see this year?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#54

Sir, we have already have orders for one of the products from U.S., other products we have discussed, they would be requiring the product near the year-end. We -- last week only, I was in the U.S., where we had a conference there. And we had the meeting with our customers. He has indicated that at the end of this year, they will be requiring the major quantities of this product. And similarly, in Europe, we are already in touch and they will also be requiring by year-end.

Operator

operator
#55

The next question is from the line of Mr. Kaushal Sharma from Equinox Capital Ventures Private Limited.

Kaushal Sharma

analyst
#56

Am I audible?

Operator

operator
#57

Yes, sir.

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#58

Yes. Yes.

Kaushal Sharma

analyst
#59

Congratulations. My question is on your capacity side. What is current capacity utilization as on date?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#60

Current capacity utilization is around 80%. On a blended basis, Technical will be around 73% and Formulation is fully utilized.

Kaushal Sharma

analyst
#61

Formulation is -- so you are expecting more than 70% utilization level in this financial year, right?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#62

Yes, yes.

Kaushal Sharma

analyst
#63

And sir, can you please tell me what is the average we have recently added in capacity [average annualized]...

Operator

operator
#64

Mr. Kaushal, could you come again with your question?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#65

Can you put the question to me more clear? We are not able to hear clearly.

Kaushal Sharma

analyst
#66

Yes. [Technical Difficulty]

Operator

operator
#67

Sir, again, there is a static disturbance at your end. [Technical Difficulty] Mr. Kaushal, I request you to rejoin the queue again. We'll take up the next participant. The next question in line is from [Darshil Jhaveri] from Crown Capital.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#68

Hopefully I'm audible?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#69

Yes. Yes. Very clearly.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#70

Sir, firstly great results in Q1. Sir, just wanted to know with -- in Q1, we performed with the new capacities being online only part of the quarter. So is it a fair way to look at the Q2, the new capacity will also be in the Q1 capacity that came online will also be there for the full quarter, so Q2 should be better than Q1? And how do we see the seasonality of our business like in terms of H1 and H2, like is it the ratio is 50-50 or 60-40? Could you help me with that, sir?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#71

Our turnover ratio generally in first half, we are achieving 55% to 56%. And in second half, 43% to 44%. First half major turnover comes from indigenous sale. In second half, export turnover is higher. As far as the capacity in first quarter is concerned, it will be fully operational in second quarter, but the product demand comes from third quarter and fourth quarter. As I already explained the new capacity of this PEDA, major consumption is in third and fourth quarter.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#72

Okay. Okay. So it will be more in Q3 and Q4. Okay. Fair enough, sir. And sir, just wanted to know with regards to our Other income. I know there was some insurance claim, but even without that, it is looks slightly elevated. So what was the part of Other income, sir?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#73

This Other item, it includes higher ForEx gain due to increased euro-denominated export this quarter. Euro has depreciated significantly this quarter and our Europe -- export to Europe was very good during this quarter.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#74

Okay. Okay. Fair enough, sir. And sir, I just wanted to know like in regards to our FY '26, our guidance is clear. But for the next year, FY '27, what is the target that we're looking at? Because as India is also growing, so what is the aim for us to grow at what level and what margins?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#75

Even for the next year, we are envisaging growth of about 15% to 20% in our revenue. And EBITDA margin, again, we would like to keep between 18% to 20%.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#76

Okay. Okay. Okay. Fair enough, sir. And sir, just wanted to know like on ground like how is the macro environment? Like do we see any kind of risk in demand or China, the dumping and everything? So how do we just overall see the market, any kind of risk that can be a speed bump for our growth?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#77

Sir, China, China is already there...

Satya Gupta

executive
#78

China is already a challenge, sir.

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#79

China -- so challenge is there. So we have optimized our products, and we are competitive to China now. And we are able to compete with them. There is no problem at all. And in some products, for example, in Pretilachlor because of this antidumping duty, now we are at a better level playing field. And the other products, we are quite competitive to them. So there is no threat for us from China in our major molecules.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#80

Okay. Okay. Fair enough sir. And sir, one more question, if I may, sir. Sir, just wanted to know about our interest cost. So like is the Q1 level that stable that we could see or any higher? Because it is a bit like I think it's twice what it was there last Q1. So just wanted to know how do we see interest cost going forward, sir?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#81

The interest cost will be reduced in Q1 this year. We have borrowing since in Q4, we have accumulated a large inventory of our herbicide. Now they have been liquidated and we are receiving payments. So now our working capital limits, they are at a very low level. So interest cost will be reduced in subsequent quarters.

Operator

operator
#82

The next question is from the line of Mr. Ankit Gupta from Bamboo Capital.

Ankit Gupta

analyst
#83

Congratulations for a great set of numbers. Sir, as you had highlighted that we have done Pretilachlor sales of around INR 50 crores in the quarter. But you also said that we can sell PEDA from November, December onwards for this financial year. So for Pretilachlor plus PEDA sales for this year, how much are we expecting? And what is the target for FY '27?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#84

We -- our annual capacity of PEDA would be about 8,000 to 8,500 tonnes from October onwards. And we expect, at least for this year for the remaining period now from December to March, we expect to sell at least 50%, at least of our capacity. And next would be in -- from April to June.

Ankit Gupta

analyst
#85

Sure. So what will be the realizations? And like how much revenue can we generate from the PEDA sales?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#86

The PEDA I think we should be able to generate about INR 150 crores from PEDA and [Pretila] this quarter -- this season.

Ankit Gupta

analyst
#87

This season, this financial year?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#88

Yes.

Ankit Gupta

analyst
#89

Okay. And next year, we'll take the advantage for the full financial year? How should we look at the sales for PEDA plus Pretilachlor?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#90

See, for example, if I take the capacity of 8,500 and if I am able to utilize at least 70%, 75% of the capacity. So it will be about 5,000 to 6,000 tonnes of PEDA, which will convert into about INR 250 crores, INR 250 crores to INR 300 crores.

Ankit Gupta

analyst
#91

But sir, PEDA, we'll sell outside also, right, to the other manufacturers who convert into Pretilachlor. And we also use for our own in-house consumption?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#92

Yes, sir, yes, that is true. For in-house as well as for selling to other customers.

Ankit Gupta

analyst
#93

So INR 150 crores that you are seeing PEDA plus Pretilachlor is including the in-house consumption? That is not the external sales?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#94

Yes. Because, if I don't say PEDA, I will sell Pretilachlor. So PEDA or Pretilachlor, I'm taking combined.

Ankit Gupta

analyst
#95

Sure, sure. Okay. Okay. And on the overall global scenario, you highlighted the pricing pressure still continues on the export market. Sir, can you talk about some of the new products that we had launched in last 2 years, how they are doing? And how do you see external ramp-up in their sales [FY '25 ] new products that we have launched this financial year in quarter 1, if you launch any new products, how are they doing? How much sales are they contributing? And how do you see growth for those products going forward?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#96

Last year, we introduced 2 products, they are doing quite well. 1 product, we are able to sell over about 500 to 600 tonnes per year. And the other product, what we have -- now we are planning the product is there, but we are going for backward integration of that intermediate. So with that, we will be able to get in the export market about 1,000 tonnes of the product from next year onwards.

Ankit Gupta

analyst
#97

How much do it be contributing revenue, the first product and second product that...

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#98

If I am able to sell 1,000 tonnes, it should be -- we should be able to get almost about INR 50 crores on that.

Ankit Gupta

analyst
#99

Okay. And the first product that you told which contributed 500 tonnes.

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#100

That is also more or less similar.

Ankit Gupta

analyst
#101

Okay. So that should be around INR 25 crores?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#102

Yes.

Ankit Gupta

analyst
#103

Okay. Okay. And how many products are we planning to launch this financial year and FY '27...

Operator

operator
#104

Sir, I would request you to rejoin the queue for any follow-up questions. The next question is from the line of Mr. [Saket Kapoor] from Kapoor Company.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#105

Am I audible, sir? [Foreign Language]

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#106

[Foreign Language]

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#107

Sir, firstly, about our backward integration, sir. If you could just give some understanding that in your presentation, you allude to the fact of incremental margins from backward integration for one of the fungicide. So how much are we currently integrated? And what steps are we taking for incremental backward integration going ahead?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#108

Sir, we have backward integrated few of our products where the raw material, the intermediate was largely imported. See some of the products we make from very basic stage, starting from very elemental chlorine or Carbon disulfide. And some products, we need to import some intermediates. And these intermediates are primarily imported into India. So we embarked on converting these intermediates in our own plant. One example is the Pretilachlor this PEDA, which was more than 90% was being imported into India. And now we are able to meet the demand of the Indian consumers for more than 70%, 80%. So we have done that a substantial work on making this intermediate. Similarly, we have also added the backward integration staff for one of the fungicides, which goes and which is also around INR 50 crores of turnover. And with that, our margin would be much better if we are able to make our own intermediate, which has already started.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#109

Okay. That is INR 50 crores annual sales?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#110

In one Fungicide. So in that, our -- if we have backward integration, then our realization would be improved substantially.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#111

Right, sir. Sir, we have also mentioned in our customer profile that we are improvising on our ability to manufacture complex of patent technicals. So what is -- what are the same in the product development stage? And what are the potential if you could just allude to the same. And sir, when we look at the customer profiles, we have mentioned about Rallis and UPL. So; how does the like of the likes of Best agro and Shivalik Rasayan, do they also fall as a competitor for us? Or are we doing business with them also?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#112

No. We are not competing with the Best Agro, or Shivalik Chemicals. Because their product range is different than our product range. And -- but for their Formulation business, they buy some quantities of our products to have a better formulation basket. That way, almost all the companies in India, they buy our products. But in the main Technical segment, we are not competing with the Best Agro or Shivalik.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#113

Okay. And sir, next to the incremental margins, I think in your presentation, you mentioned about the ability to manufacture complex or patent technicals. So what are the product pipeline in which we are working? And what should we look for here?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#114

We have already identified 3 to 4 molecules and the work is going on at different stages. 2 molecules, we have already completed the R&D work, and we have done the pilot plant and they are ready to go for commercial. So the commercial plant is in construction stage in our subsidiary, Shalvis Specialties at Hamirpur.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#115

Okay. So 2 small points and I'll join the queue, sir. Also your presentation mentioned about some certification -- technical equivalent certification from the EU. So if you could just elaborate, I think you were mentioning about EU sales also catching up for quarter 3 and quarter 4. And for Hamirpur capacity, also Hamirpur will be the greenfield project, sir, that we are envisaging? And is it in the state of -- yes, please sir.

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#116

That is a greenfield project. The work is going on there. The infrastructure work is under progress. The main -- one of the main commercial production block is also under construction, which is expected to be completed in another 2, 3 months of time. And the EU registration, what you asked about, what happens if you want to sell any product in European Union, we have to first register our product in European Union. So we submit all the data required for the registration to them, and they will issue a letter of equivalence. That means that our product is equivalent to the registered product in Europe. So we can sell them in Europe. Otherwise, we cannot sell.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#117

Okay. So what is the potential, sir, in value terms, if you could just give an understanding the type of certification for the type of products, which we will be able to monetize or sell going ahead? What is the market size?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#118

That depends upon product. Each product, we have to register like this. Each individual product needs to be registered with EU. And then we have to identify the customers who are using this product, so we go to them, they will add us as a source. And then they will start buying different products from whatever products we have registered. So we have been doing this business for the last so many years. And EU is one of our major export destinations.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#119

Okay. And with your permission, last point, sir, in your presentation, again, I'm referring to, under the CapEx plan, you have highlighted the point about Hamirpur and the future trajectory of our growth prospects is poised significantly with the augmentation of Hamirpur project. So how much are we spending? And sir, if you could elaborate what will this facility add to? And so this is in the state of Himachal Pradesh, where we are envisaging this new...

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#120

Hamirpur is in Uttar Pradesh about 170 kilometers from Lucknow and 80 kilometers from Kanpur. And that is a wholly-owned subsidiary of IPL, by name Shalvis Specialties -- because our present plant, there is no space left now. They are almost full. So the new products we are getting in our subsidiary called Shalvis Specialties at Hamirpur.

Unknown Executive

executive
#121

And above also, there is a new express way, which is coming up between Lucknow and Kanpur that will reduce the distance between Hamirpur and Lucknow by significant mark, significantly. Now we need not to travel 2.5 hours. I think 1.5 hours, we'll be able to reach our production site. Myself or maybe our team and everyone can reach there quickly.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#122

Okay. And if you can now elaborate, sir, with the statement which you have provided, what kind of revenue potential? And when you say that the future trajectory of growth will be augmented from this project, if you could just give us some color, the type of CapEx we are envisaging at first phase and the revenue potential from this...

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#123

We are doing almost next year, we have planned a CapEx of INR 64 crores -- this year, sorry -- this year, we have planned a CapEx of INR 64 crores at our Hamirpur site. And next year, it will be much more than that. And our revenue potential there, we are envisaging next year in FY '26, '27, we should be able to get about INR 100 crores revenue from this side. And when the site is fully operational, when the complete -- because it is a land of 25 acres, if you full -- when we fill that with the production blocks, we should be able to get a revenue of almost INR 1,000 crores from there.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#124

INR 1,000 crore?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#125

Yes, ultimately that's what we envisaged, INR 1,000 cores to INR 1,100 crores from Hamirpur site.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#126

And what is the time line, sir? By when can we achieve or...

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#127

3 to 4 years, sir, minimum. If we are lucky, we can do fast, but depends on the market conditions.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#128

Sir, in fact, for Hamirpur part, just to achieve this INR 1,000 crores, what would be the incremental capital that needs to deploy? INR 64 crores is what we are doing for the first I think so to achieve INR 100 crores and above turnover.

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#129

See we have already spent almost INR 50 crores there. And INR 54 crores now is going on. And we need to invest almost about INR 400 crores roughly.

Satya Gupta

executive
#130

Asset turnover are 2 to 2.5. So INR 400 crores to INR 500 crores of investment will be required.

Operator

operator
#131

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Mr. Anant Shenoy from AS Capital.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#132

Sir, I needed a clarification on the previous one. So you told in the H2 of this year, we will make PEDA sales of INR 100 crores. Is that correct?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#133

Yes, yes. PEDA and Pretilachlor both combined.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#134

Okay. So already, we have done in Q1, we have done INR 55 crores. So in H2, we will expect another INR 100 crores, PEDA plus Pretilachlor?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#135

Yes.

Operator

operator
#136

[Operator Instructions] Next question is from the line of Mr. Ankit Gupta from Bamboo Capital.

Ankit Gupta

analyst
#137

So on the export demand side, you had added that the pricing pressure still continues during this quarter as well. So if you can talk about how much has been the decline in the prices of some of our key products like Captan, Folpet and Prosulfocarb over the past year? Let's say, if you compare the prices of May, June 2024 with May, June of 2025. So how much has been the decline in the prices?

Satya Gupta

executive
#138

The only price decline has been in for Prosulfocarb. In all other products, they are quite stable and might be some benefit due to depreciation of euro also.

Ankit Gupta

analyst
#139

Okay. Okay. Prosulfocarb has seen decline in prices for the rest of the products for the last 3, 4 quarters, the prices have been stable.

Satya Gupta

executive
#140

Yes.

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#141

But even in Prosulfocarb, we have optimized the process to really nullify some of the price decrease.

Satya Gupta

executive
#142

To off-set the lower price we're getting.

Ankit Gupta

analyst
#143

And for this like the pricing realization growth of 8% that we have seen in the quarter, is it primarily on account of the Pretilachlor sales for the quarter?

Satya Gupta

executive
#144

It is partly by Pretilachlor sales and balance by some ForEx gain also as well as in some price rise in -- actually, our basket is quite big, say around 20 products -- technical products. So in some products, we have been able to increase our prices by INR 4 to INR 5.

Operator

operator
#145

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from the line of Mr. Saket Kapoor from Kapoor Company.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#146

Sir, a similar question on the backward integration part. So as a total percentage of the sales profile of the product, what is the current percentage that is -- where we are backward integrated as a percentage of revenue? And going ahead, what are -- is our line of action or the thought process in that direction, for the same, sir?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#147

Sir, our philosophy is normally to make the product from a very basic stage. That is what we have been doing. And in some new products, what we do, we initially start -- not with very busy, but we start to introduce the product first. And if we see the product response is good, then we go for backward integration of further steps. So that otherwise -- initially itself, we do, then you lose a lot of time and lot of capital to produce initially from very basic stage.

Unknown Analyst

analyst
#148

So as of now, out of the product profile of our -- especially the fungicide part, what portion of our branded sales are we totally backward integrated? And where are we working currently for how many products to -- for this backward integration after the validation of the products, as you just alluded?

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#149

Presently, what I can say, all our major products, they are all backward integrated. And the new product what we are introducing that once we see the response of the product, we go for backward integration. So this new product pipeline, slowly one by one we are going for backward integration. All our existing products including our Pretilachlor now, of course, I told you, then all our other fungicide, Captan, Folpet, everything. They are all backward integrated.

Operator

operator
#150

Ladies and gentlemen, that was the last question for the session. I would now like to hand the conference over to the management for closing comments.

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#151

Thank you very much for your participation. For any further queries or clarifications, please do get in touch with our Investor Relations team, and we would be happy to reply to your queries. Thank you again, and wish you all a very happy Independence Day and Krishna Janmashtami. Thank you.

Satya Gupta

executive
#152

Thank you so much.

Dheeraj Jain

executive
#153

Thank you.

Operator

operator
#154

Thank you, sir. On behalf of Dolat Capital Markets Private Limited, that concludes this conference. Thank you for joining us, and you may now disconnect your lines.

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